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Bandicoots: Defending Denver

Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:42:28 PM

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Dear Bandicoots,

See comments from “Chad” here -- in which his close to 700-word diatribe calls into question a “thriving” Denver scene and forces me to put South Broadway culture into context.

Chad,

I feel your frustration. As someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears to the Denver music scene, it can be a struggle to not fall prey to the gut-reaction cynicism towards the pettier parts of a “scene.” It’s a natural inclination to question a scene’s worth. And it’s an important evolution too. However, it’s fool-hearted to assume that our “scene” can be boiled down to those that “hang out at the Hi Dive.” I can’t define what our scene is, nor will I even attempt to. What I can tell you is that because Hipsters are very savvy consumers/marketers, they can become figureheads for a music scene. You seem pretty susceptible to savvy marketing yourself—closet Hipster? Sorry, no fair taking potshots at my own. Maybe your reluctance to view Denver’s music scene as bubbling, thriving, vital, is directly tied to your overestimation of their (Hipsters) worth? What I know is that Hipsters in no way are the scene—they’re simply a fancy-haircut, tight-pants part of it. Just like people in bands are an egotistical-mouth, leg-kick, cymbal-crash part of it. And the shredding metal band at Wyatts Torch, and the jazz combo at Dazzle, and the singer-songwriter at the we-grind-em coffee shop…

Like the four-armed Indian god Vishnu, a music scene is not just the people who speak the loudest; a music scene is the essence of everyone in it.

What you’re missing is that “thriving” implies getting there, not already there. Denver isn’t a musical mecca. Denver is not a hub for major music business. Denver, in general, is not huge on the national radar. And the best part is, none of that matters much for a town that is still working it out. Bands can evolve into other bands; influence each other; forge their own path and, yes, even mimic musical styles that currently exist…all the while building towards something unique. You misunderstand. Art is an organic process and Denver is thriving within the context of that process.

If you’re simply basing success on units sold, you’re missing the point—not to mention that that sentiment is severely out-of-touch with the new business model; where it can be argued that labels are less important than a good booking agent and a PR firm. True, labels can bring local bands playing small rock shows to the Warped Tour. However, these days most labels over-promise, under-deliver, and are forced to drop bands while filing bankruptcy. Which brings us back to Vishnu and how we’re all part of the process. Even that Hipster girl who kind of looks like that Bollywood actress with her sultry lips and her amazing—er. Wait. Where was I?

If you assume the entire music scene is located at 7 S. Broadway, you’re as cynical as the people you decry. Granted, you’re likely not alone in that assumption. Look beyond what you hear on the street about “big” bands in Denver. You’re absolutely right about music being “complicated enough to find its way around that.” It does, and it has. Look beyond the awards and the venues to find it (yes I realize the post-modern quasi-irony of saying something like that from within a paper that has graciously recognized my band-let’s just move on, shall we).

As far as disproving your theory that nothing original has come out of Denver besides Devotchka—who deserve every ounce of success coming to them—I haven’t fully decided if I should use this column to promote bands I like. For now, I won’t spout a list of honest, pure, and original talent in this town (of which there is plenty).

Let’s just say some new bands will make waves nationally. The majority won’t. Yet most will play their hearts out in a dark and smelly club with poor sound and still savor the sweaty afterglow of being involved in an organic process of getting there. I invite you to overlook the petty parts of our scene and avoid the natural inclination towards cynicism long enough to partake in the essence of it all.

Namasté.

Bandicoots is a new column by Eli Mishkin of Hot IQs. It's written by the people, for the people, so to speak. It's a chance for the rank and file and musicians alike to ask questions about being in a band, touring and whatever else is on your inquiring mind. It's penned by someone who's in a band, touring and, well, you get the picture. Bandicoots appears every Wednesday, except when it doesn't. Got questions? Get answers. Hit Eli up via email here.

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4 Comments:

Kell says:

Very Interesting!

Kell :-)



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Eryc Eyl says:

Well said, Eli. Let's not forget that we are all the Denver music scene. Getting too caught up in the objectifying idea of "the scene" or "hipsters" or any other tidy reduction of the social and artistic complexity we have only distracts from the raw beauty of people making every effort to make music they believe in. The hi-dive is a vital and vivacious part of the good stuff that's happening here, and we should be grateful that it exists, along with all the other venues that provide a place for bands to develop in this town. And whether or not Denver bands make national waves is really irrelevant to their artistic achievements. Go on with your cootie self!

Chad says:

hey Eli, thanks for responding.

I like what you have to say. I guess I sort of took "thriving" out of context, as you're right: the process of a band's maturation is exciting and fun to watch. Or, maybe I just haven't been that impressed with what I've heard yet. Either way, underground rock shows in dark bars beat Van Halen at the Pepsi Center any day (maybe). I'd love to see some of these Denver bands get bigger, and better, so I'm up to see any show other than one attended by the girl who wrote this blog:
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You don't see the metal-heads down at Wyatt's writing defamitory blogs about indie rock fans (maybe you do, I just haven't seen any so prevelant). I can't BELIEVE the Post posted this...shame on them. Blatently making fun of a rock fan like that, just because he's not a part of this "scene" we're talking about here!? (and he and I have the same name...weird).

Maybe we're just gonna have a back-and-forth here for a while unless anyone else posts some questions (Eryc doesn't count...he has his own forum for discussion). Anyway, I'd love to hear what you think, but if you have to spread the responses around to others next week it's NBD ("no big deal" in Chad-speak.)

love it or leave it says:

I see no need for Eli, Eryc, or anybody else to defend the Denver music scene's originality or authenticity. Honestly, I don't see what Chad's point is. He mentioned he likes checking out the metal bands at Wyatt's Torch. It sounds to me that he's found a niche he enjoys and that he's not fond of the bands that play at hi-dive or the local bands covered in the media.

Let's call it like it is. Media outlets are businesses that write stories (especially special interest/entertainment stories) for their audience. It's a geralization, but let's take Chad's metal scene. It may be the best metal scene in the country, but I'm guessing it's a relatively small demographic. So is my beloved banjo punk (small scene...super small). And if West-Post-News was to start publishing articles about the metal scene or my beloved banjo punk scene they would ultimately lose money. The papers write for what their audiences will read that's why it's called pop(ular) music. Occaisionally they can push that envelope a bit, but only under the right circumstances.

Are their denver "indie" bands that copy national acts or have an unoriginal sound as Chad suggests? Perhaps. It's a pretty subjective issue at best. All of us bands are descendents of some rock-n-roll lineage. Newer/Younger bands are most likely to sound similar to a national act, but ideally, with time and experience, they develop their own voice.

But ultimately, I would encourage using the "soul" lense when listening to local rock. When I "feel" what a band is putting out there...when I can tell it's from the heart...regardless of genre...I tend to like it. I don't know of any bands here that intentionally cop a certain sound. But again, this is a pretty subjective argument w/out right answers.

And what's the point anyway? As Eli and Eryc have stated the list of bands in Denver is huge and the range of styles and sounds w/in the greater Denver scene is diverse...especially given the fact that Denver does not have the ethnic diversity of NYC, LA or Chicago. The limited amount of pages the media can devote to local music can only dig so deep. And there's a lot of depth below their scratches.

In it's purest form, music is NOT a competition or popularity contests. Those parameters are put upon bands. Find the music you like...easier now than ever. Go out and support it whenever possible. If you don't like the scene at the hi-dive...don't go there.

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