Reader: Food writers who recommend crab and cheese wontons sound like hicks

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New spots are popping up all over town, including Little Dragon, a Chinese take-out and delivery spot in Mayfair. Jenn Wohletz dropped by and picked up an order of hot-and-sour soup and allegedly healthy, baked crab and cheese wontons.

Is it wrong to crave these wontons?

Says denverdoughboy:


Ugh, I beg beg beg people to stop ordering and Chinese restaurants to stop serving crab and cream cheese wontons! Real Chinese people vomit at the thought of crab and cream cheese combined in any form. And they would slash their wrists over delicate wontons being put in deep fryers (or ovens). Food writers who recommend them sound like tasteless, unrefined hicks. Would you compliment the French restaurant that serves a Burgundy on ice? Would you order a pastrami sandwich slathered with mayo from a kosher deli? Do you put ketchup on your hot dog? Seafood and cheese don't go together, not in Italian food, not in Asian food, but especially not in fried wontons. Thank you.

Is it wrong to want these wontons? How about other clearly American inventions added to ethnic restaurant menus to please blander palates? Post your thoughts below, or under the original post here.



Location Info

Little Dragon

1305 Krameria St., Denver, CO

Category: Restaurant


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25 comments
CoryL
CoryL

"Burgundy on ice" where do they serve this? Sounds good. 

 

 

jenna-furrr
jenna-furrr topcommenter

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick, this convo gots all outta hand. : )

 

I don't recall stating anything about crab rangoon being authentic anything--but they are delicious. Sophisticated, wah wah wah. To all of you I say, let he/she who has never eaten a grilled cheese sandwich cast the first bone.

 

And to clarify--I wrote that LD features healthy alternatives, but I never said that's what I ordered.....::wicked smile::

 

Those cwab wangoons in the photo are indeed fried--they fried the shit outta them, and I'm glad they did because they were delicious.

 

Quit crying, squash the snobbery from time to time to like whatever the hell you like whether it's authentic or not, and if any of you whiners head to China for some supper, bring me back a to-go box, will ya?

Gradstudent
Gradstudent

VonBlanco and Denverdoughboy...what the hell is wrong with you? I'm from L.A. and I find the food and beer here is far superior to anything you can find back in Cali....Maybe Pasadena comes close because they are far more sophisticated that the rest of the garbage in so cal (maybe because of the intellectual Caltech community, on second thought...most likely). Since I "transplanted", my wife and I have eaten at a different, new restaurant everyday and have been amazed. Honestly, I call this place home now. I refuse to be 'Californian' anymore because of  people like you; the stuck up, pompous, pretentious, know-it-all excuses for residents.

WineAndCheesePairingMastery.com
WineAndCheesePairingMastery.com

While I can see how crab and cream cheese doesn't seem to go together, I have to disagree with crab and cheese or seafood and cheese not going well together. Have you ever tried a crabe au gratin or even a seafood casserole?

 

I strongly suggest it if you have the opportunity. You won't be disappointed!!

Bagwhan
Bagwhan

Is there ever any crab in "crab cream cheese wontons" anyway?

Jon_S
Jon_S

I don't the seafood and cheese rule applies to crab cheese wontons. I'm pretty sure they don't contain real crab or real cheese.

tropicalchrome1
tropicalchrome1

This, of course, begs the question: are you going out for authentic Chinese food, or are you going out for food you like? The two are not necessarily always mutually exclusive, even though they are in this instance.

 

I've eaten and enjoyed authentic Mom and Pop Chinese cooking, I've eaten and enjoyed Americanized to the point of unrecognizability "Chinese" food, and I don't have a problem with either. Depends what I'm in the mood for, depends on the quality of the food (I've had "authentic" dishes that were awful).

 

Nope, I'm not going to scold anyone for craving crab and cheese wontons. I just hope that's not the only thing they ever crave.

VonBlancoLA
VonBlancoLA

I agree with the Denver Doughboy here.  I'm a Californian Refugee and I must admit, after four years here in Denver I have come to the conclusion that people really are hicks here.  They have no clue how to drive on a freeway, they have no clue how to provide decent service in a restaurant, and their food bloggers (yes you Westword) spend as more time blogging about fast food than anything else.  

 

Sorry Denver.  You still have one food solidly in the Hamburger and French fry culture. 

DenverDoughboy
DenverDoughboy

If you need any more proof of the lack of sophistication of the American dining public, all you have to do is look at the picture accompanying the article wherein a Westword food writer is gullible enough to believe (A) that the wontons she ordered were oven-baked.  (I mean, sure, a hot oven will always give you that golden, blistered crisp on a piece of dough.), and (B) that she ate brown rice. That's white rice with some soy sauce sprinkled on it!  This is what passes for professional food writing today.   

monopod
monopod

I don't think anyone really thinks that crab and cream cheese wontons are "Chinese."  They're Chinese-American, a vestige of the 1970s and 1980s boom in "ethnic" food that gave us a whole new menu of Chinese-American standards that, while not authentically Chinese, a lot of Americans grew up on and grew fond of.  I've learned to like real Sichuan cuisine like mapo dofu and dan dan noodles much better than the gloppy "Chinese" I ate as a kid, but there's nothing wrong with appreciating foods that you grew up with too, even if they're not authentic.  If that's what a restaurant claims they do well, then a reviewer would be remiss not to try them and judge them on their merits (not compared to the standards for a totally different, more "authentic" version of the cuisine).

 

And the rule that "seafood and cheese don't go together" is just another arbitrary restriction that is slowly fading.  It used to be that you only drank white wine with fish and red wine with beef, but any sommalier will tell you now that that's needlessly limiting and there are plenty of pairings that violate the rule and work beautifully.  Greeks have been eating feta with their shrimp for centuries; lobster mac and cheese (when done right) is sublime; and a tuna melt with swiss is a classic American sandwich.  Sure, Olive Garden's melting a pound of mozz on top of shrimp scampi is a travesty, but why judge an entire world of possibilities based on that?

 

And finally... ketchup on a hot dog is wrong?  Since when?  I like a Chicago dog or NY 'kraut dog as much as the next guy, but there ain't nothing wrong with Heinz on a backyard weiner.

WillEatAnything
WillEatAnything

For the record I have had the oven baked crab cheese wontons at Little Dragon, they are not what is shown in the picture and they are tasty.  The oven baked ones have a much thinner wrapper that is not puffed up and as such you can actually really taste the filling which is cheesy green oniony goodness.   

The whole it is not authentic logic just does not fly.  By the logic presented, everyone should stop ordering pretty much every dish in Chinese restaurants since you won’t find most of them on the menu in China.  The fact that you can order a dish that is on the menu, that just reeks of inauthenticity as well.   Also we should demand that Chinese restaurants stop sending out rice with our meals, why are they trying to make us look like poor people who can’t afford to order properly.  Let's not even talk about Jewish/New York style delis, because they sure as hell are not Kosher.  Do you complain about the Kosher inauthenticity of a rueben sandwich or do you dare to eat the tasty combination that would make a Rabbi roll his eyes in exasperation.  I think in the good old days they would stone you for eating that sandwich but the litany of inauthentic behavior rolls on.  Let’s all stop ordering sushi rolls at Japanese restaurants because 99% of sushi rolls are not “authentic”, I don’t care if they taste good or not.  We should also probably start avoiding most Italian places around town, definitely not “authentic”.  The list goes on, but you get the point.  Well maybe you get the point, it might just bounce off that wall of faux righteousness.

DenverDoughboy
DenverDoughboy

@jenna-furrr While I won't be going to China anytime soon for the authentic fare, I will deign to try out the Little Dragon, because now I'm really intrigued by this crab and cream cheese shit.   

 

goback
goback

 @VonBlancoLA It is you idiot California INVADERS who cannot drive here.  You and yours are the problems on the roads.  Go back and fix the state you left broken and quit trying to ruin ours.

Jon_S
Jon_S

 @VonBlancoLA Yeah, LA certainly is the epitome of refinement. 72 suburbs in search of a city.

Mantonat
Mantonat topcommenter

 @VonBlancoLA Would you like help finding the I-70 westbound on-ramp? Or would you just like to shut your avocado hole and learn a little about food and restaurants in the Denver area? Your West-coast provincialism is way more hick-ish and ignorant than anything most Denver natives could dish up. Drop the attitude, open your eyes and ears, and you'll maybe learn a little something.

 

Start with the writings of one of your California brethren, Gustavo Arellano, who, in his book "Tacos USA", called the Mexican hamburger (that he ate at the original Chubby's on 38th St.)  the best Mexican dish in America. He has a few words for people who trumpet "authenticity" or who think they have an inside track on regional ethnic cuisines.

FivePoints
FivePoints

 @VonBlancoLA 

Thank you so much for enlightening all of us hicks here in Denver. I never realized what a terrible town I've lived in my entire life.

WillEatAnything
WillEatAnything

 @VonBlancoLA I know right,  the baristas around here can never get the ratios on my half caff vanilla soy latte right.  I tell them to put exactly 2 inches of foam in it.  Yesterday they were .1 inches off on the foam.  Can you believe it?   And don't get me started on the horrendous restaurants.  I clearly told the waiter I had a gluten and dairy allergy when I ordered my fettuccine alfredo. They should immediately modify the dish to meet my exacting standards.  I mean what kind of restaurant does not carry all the ingredients to make the necessary substitutions.

It's just such a headache living in this town.

P.S.,  I know it is wrong of me to write the response in such a condescending and sarcastic manner, it is wrong to judge and I am sure that you wish you were back in California and there are probably valid reasons why you stay,  but it seemed more funny to say it this way then just saying; Get over yourself.       

DenverDoughboy
DenverDoughboy

 @monopod I have never met Heinz, but I have no doubt that you are a man that has enjoyed many a weiner in your backyard.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  :)

 

DenverDoughboy
DenverDoughboy

 @monopod I beg to differ.   Most Americans probably are stupid enough to believe that some small band of Philadelphia Jews immigrated to China by boat in the late 1800s and introduced cream cheese to the hutong in Shanghai where they settled.  And when the deep fryer was wrested from the Monguls by General Tso, thus was born the fried cream cheese wonton.       

DenverDoughboy
DenverDoughboy

 @WillEatAnythinglacks not only taste but also the ability to distinguish between "faux righteousness" and humor.  Sorry, can't help you there.   

jenna-furrr
jenna-furrr topcommenter

 @DenverDoughboy Right?! lol.....I'll cop to having Midwestern roots, and I'll admit when I was a kid I thought crab Rangoon was probably Chinese food, but that was also during the same time you could smoke at the mall.

VonBlancoLA
VonBlancoLA

 @WillEatAnything I really considered writing you a condescending and witty response, not unlike the one you left me.  However I realized just how naive you must be.  With that in mind I will let you carry on your day.  

 

I did not expect such mordacious words from someone that likely drives a Subaru with  a "Coexist" sticker. *thumbs up*

monopod
monopod

 @DenverDoughboy Hmm, you may be right.  That would also explain the origin of kung pow pastrami (which, if you haven't had it, is insanely delicious - the specialty of Mission Chinese Food in San Francisco and, now, NYC).

WillEatAnything
WillEatAnything

 @VonBlancoLA No no no,  you need to stereotype correctly.  I am supposed to be a naive hick not a hippie.  My bike that is worth more than my car is on a pick up truck not a Subaru.  And of course we can't respect anyone who drives anything less then a BMW or Mercedes, since after all a person's direct worth is tied to the car they drive.   

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