Reader: Beer and pizza is what Denver is turning into...sad

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Lori Midson
St. Louis-style at Arch Pizza -- is this what Denver's dining scene has come to?
Denver has New Haven-style pizza, New York-style pizza, Chicago-style pizza, California-style pizza and now St. Louis-style pizza. And if you're willing to go to Telluride, you can even get Detroit-style pizza. But isn't there more to this dining scene than pizza? And imported pizza at that?

See also: Denver almost had Detroit-style pizza, but Wash Park chased Brown Dog away

Says John Paul Rojas:

Beer and pizza is what this town is turning into. Sad. College kids must be happy. What about us grownups? What's the next trend? Microwave dinners.
Yes, Denver has more on its plate than pizza -- but does this city's booming craft-beer industry make you sad? Or glad? What trend would you like to see hit town?



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Kush_is_my_Cologne
Kush_is_my_Cologne

It would be cool to see a Cannabis Sativa infused craft beer, but since Hops ( Humulus is from the same gene family (Cannabaceae), I guess we already have that here in Colorado.

Amelia DeAngio
Amelia DeAngio

Whoa dude. You need to take a chill pill. The whole reason why I moved to Denver was because of the burgeoning food scene. Everyone has an opinion. You don't need to attack me or the entire east coast just because I don't think Denver has a strong pizza scene.

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

The East coast is full of dickheads. Anyone from west of Appalachia will agree!

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

Sure there is. Used bullet casings and blood samples from HIV+ mental patients

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

The popular toppings being dried Axe hair gel and used condoms?

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

You HAVE to be kidding me. Tacos Jalisco son puras piedras.

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

Wrong, buddy. It's not "my" pizza. I just don't care for patronizing assholes from EITHER coast...or in your case, from some suburban shithole in the American Heartless Land. Besides, Italians, themselves, scoff at what ALL Americans consider to be "the best" pizza.

Dan Scheidt
Dan Scheidt

Someone is in a sassy mood about his pizza and the people from the east lol

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

Also, "crunk" is not even music. Shit, may as well consider Houston "chopped & screwed" comparable to Mozart. LuLz.

Craig Maybell
Craig Maybell

Anyone from EAST of the Mississippi tends to be a douchebag so your petition is invalid. Derp!

Ed Haas
Ed Haas

Thank you. I've written down all of these to try.

Ed Haas
Ed Haas

Hops n Pie is fantastic. One of the cities' best pizzas and some of the best tappings around.

Meghan Howes
Meghan Howes

Hear hear Brian O'Neil, anyone who says there's New Haven-style pizza in Denver has never had New Haven 'za. Long Live Sally's!

Ed Haas
Ed Haas

Agreed, there's some places I need to try, but what I've had so far has been GOOD, just not GREAT. Maybe I'm expecting too much being spoiled by places like this back east: www.momocho.com I'll give Tacos Jalisco a chance, is there any others you'd recommend?

Jordan Snyder
Jordan Snyder

You HAVE to be kidding me. Have you been to anything on 38th? Tacos Jalisco is incredibly good and consistent, and that's just one of many. Burrito Giant for breakfast burritos? You aren't trying very hard!

Jordan Snyder
Jordan Snyder

I think this reader is suffering from a lack of culture, or they're simply commenting on all of the Westword's posts about different styles of pizza. Either way, I guess the reader hasn't tried any of the amazing Japanese, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese and Latin food choices in and around Denver, which are simply stunning for a town west of the Mississippi and east of the Pacific coast.

NeedzMoarCowbell
NeedzMoarCowbell

Denver's craft beer scene is unparalleled!  Then again, I loves me some hops...

Brian O'Neil
Brian O'Neil

I'm from New Haven. There is no New Haven style pizza here.

Justin Salazar
Justin Salazar

If it's all like Lucky Pie then I say the more the merrier!

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

I love the responses on here. I was strictly focused on the pizza and " craft beer " aspect of this blog. Denver does have some great restaurants and hole in the wall joints. I know. I've traveled all over the world too. The current trend does bother me. That was my point. Little did I know I'd be called out! LMAO!

Morgan Bethany
Morgan Bethany

And Denver pizza does not suck. Hello Benny Blancos. That shit is fucking delicious.

Morgan Bethany
Morgan Bethany

That person is a goddamn idiot. Linger. Rioja. Lola. Bistro Vendome. Z Cuisine. Curtis Park Deli. The Populist. Sassafras. Acorn. Trillium. Le Central. The Squeaky Bean. The Source. Beast + Bottle. Moon Tower Tacos. Vesta. Need I go on? Ugh.

Grant Haygood
Grant Haygood

What is this person talking about? I just went to Linger for the first time the other night. So amazing. D Bar is a fav of mine too. Obviously, they didn't put much thought into this since it is such a short letter.

Tim Smith
Tim Smith

Ridiculous. TripAdvisor claims 2,338 restaurants in Denver. If you extrapolate to Denver Metro, that's more than 12,000 restaurants (assuming equality based on 5x population)! There is a huge variety of food offerings in Denver and in the metro area. Making blanket judgments for a city of this size makes no sense. On the other hand, if you live in Bumfucknowhere, Nebraska, then yes. When all the pizza restaurants in a 100 mile radius (that would be all two of them) serve crappy pizza, then you can criticize your town.

Nathan Harms
Nathan Harms

If you think food sucks here you need to look way harder. The cheese cake factory does not count!!! Lol. There are amazing underground small foodie joints in every genre all over. Anyone who thinks we suck for food is not seeing the best we have to offer.

Amelia DeAngio
Amelia DeAngio

Except Denver pizza sucks. Anyone from the east coast will agree!

Clayton Capra
Clayton Capra

The food quality here is rather poor in comparison to...well most every place else. However you can find satisfactory items. Don't fool yourself in thinking that "this is the best..." because it's not and if that makes you angry, sorry. Travel and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Roy Hobbs
Roy Hobbs

I guess you havent been to any new restaurants? Go to the Source or try one of the TONS of awesome food trucks. Denver is a better city than alot of bigger cities..just gotta look/yelp.

Sean Gronbeck
Sean Gronbeck

Hahaha I guess only locals and natives know the good spots to eat pizza. Dont worry I wont tell our secrets.

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

I guess I'm just a little tired of all the pizza joints, hot dog joints and craft beer joints popping up all over the Denver area. South broadway alone is changing into a trendy LoDo like hangout. That is a good thing but how long will this trend last and then dry up. The craft beer boom is going crazy right now. It seems every week a new one opens or is in the works. Will these joints still be open in the next 3 to 5 years? Denver has so many trendy mediocre restaurants/ bars. Punch Bowl, Ace, Stueben's and the list goes on. I blame food network and it's pop stars like Guy Fieri who promote pop trash food like BBQ Sushi and hyped up Mac and Cheese. What ever happened to regional foods? What's the point of travel if you can get Chicago style pizza in Scottsbluff, NE? I love pizza. I love meat in tube form but is it haute cuisine? No. Only if you are broke or hungover. As for the " craft beer " trend. It's now just silly. Crappy hoppy beer at premium prices. I enjoy a good tasting crafted beer but let's not forget it's beer. I don't care if you spend a ton of money on used wine caskets. Trendy is no longer confined to music and clothing. By the way. Whatever happened to Beer Pong?

Dev Adams
Dev Adams

I love our beer and pizza places (especially Hops & Pie), but it is time to branch out...

Ed Haas
Ed Haas

Denver seems to be missing high quality Mexican food offerings, and I agree on the pizza here. There's a few gems, but that's it.

Heather Hemming
Heather Hemming

If people think that's all there is in Denver they aren't looking very hard. Yes, we love our craft beer. If that's not part of what is making you sad, try places like Freshcraft or Star Bar. If you want fine dining and an excellent cocktail try places like The Green Russell. There are so many places to dine here, you just have to look.

ThatGuy5280
ThatGuy5280

Well, when your alt-weekly has someone consistently blogging about how good fast food is, like drive through Burger joints, it isn't a good sign of sophisticated cuisine being a priority.  If what used to be the go-to-what-to-eat publication of Westword is constantly celebrating beer, pot, pizza and fast food, it's hard for our city to be taken seriously as a food culture.

Ubaldo Ciminieri III
Ubaldo Ciminieri III

I disagree with the reader. Denverites should really explore Denver's food scene as this town is producing many exciting new restaurants and food trends every month. Yes, we're a center for craft beer, but that doesn't mean we're just getting to pair it with pizza. Don't pass judgment so quickly.

Mike Martin
Mike Martin

Its a Money thing. I like nothing more than to go out and support Denvers Very good and Local chefs. Just cant afford it

Kush_is_my_Cologne
Kush_is_my_Cologne

@Amelia DeAngio It's true the pizza scene in Denver sucks, but go up into the mountains and get a 20'' Pizza Pie, and that's another story.  Personally, I hate folding pizza, but you gotta do what you gotta do in the Rocky Mountains! 

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

I was trying to be funny. If you knew who I was you'd get it. Ramen anyone?

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

Benny Blancos! Lol! What about Cosmos! They have spicy ranch! My favorite pizza is Buenos Aires! Hands down!

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

I agree with all but moon tower tacos. I'm a Texan. Sorry. All the other choices are fantastic.

Mantonat
Mantonat topcommenter

@jrojasaboc I don't really get the "let's not forget it's beer" thing. As opposed to what? Oh, I get it now - wine is the sophisticated drink for adults to go with food. Because it's expensive, right? If you're into wine, why not look around at all the wine bars that have opened in the past few years, or the nascent winery movement on the Western Slope, or the urban wineries that have been trying to gain a foothold here like Infinite Monkey Theorem. Balistreri, or Bonaquisti. And if wine isn't your thing (or if you think Denver's wine scene is still a little too rough around the edges), there are excellent distilled products from Stranahan's, Leopold Bros., and Mile High Spirits, just to name a few.

The really stupid thing about all these "beer, pizza, and hot dog" comments is that every city on the East Coast is lousy with beer and hot dog places, so much so in fact, that if you look back just a few years - transplants from NY and NE were complaining about how few options Denver had. And now that they are becoming a little more common (as cheap, tasty food should be), people have to whine about it.

Back to beer for a second: have you actually tried any of the beer from Crooked Stave, for example? There's no way you can argue that their beers are anything but sophisticated and as appropriate for food as any other beverage.

And if you don't like "pop trash food," try hitting a few Vietnamese restaurants on Federal, some dim sum on Alameda, some Korean in Aurora, or maybe one of a number of Ethiopian places on Colfax? Still not satisfied? How about the creative and well executed menus of twelve, the Populist, Linger, Old Major, Oak at 14th, Fruition, Z Cuisine, Izakaya Den, etc, (this list could go on and on). 

The real truth is that there are people who like to bitch and then there are people who like to get out and explore and just eat. Whether it's pizza or tacos or hot dogs or sous vide short ribs or liquid nitrogen ice cream, if its good, its good, and if its good this city can use more of it. If you don't like reading about the low-brow, every day food, stick with the stories about the upscale stuff - there's plenty of that too.

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

It's a good thing because I have friends who own businesses on south broadway who benefit from the added traffic and trends.

Kush_is_my_Cologne
Kush_is_my_Cologne

@Ed Haas If you like it hot go to Santiago's, or Tamale Kitchen.  

NeedzMoarCowbell
NeedzMoarCowbell

@Ed Haas Bah!  The best Mexican food is found in hole in the wall joints, and the green chile here is the best you'd find outside of New Mexico.  Loves me some DenMex!

Mantonat
Mantonat topcommenter

@Ed Haas Can you explain what you mean by "high quality Mexican food offerings" and why you think there's a shortage here? Any examples of the "few gems"?

jrojasaboc
jrojasaboc

I really love your response. I made a tongue in cheek response and westword called me out. I frequent a lot of Denver Area restaurants. Alameda and south federal, aurora ( Havana ) and east Colfax being some of my favorite haunts. I also go to many trendy high end restaurants as well. Old Major is a good choice. I don't drink wine. It doesn't agree with me unfortunately. As for beer. I love a well crafted beer. I don't like hoppy beers. I never will. I lived in Germany for 2 years while employed at Duetche Telekom. I don't agree with the current trend. I'm a skeptic at heart and an even bigger smart ass. If you are interested you can follow me on twitter or Instagram for my food ( I'm a home chef/ ex professional chef ) and restaurant choices. Jprohaus or jrojasaboc. Right now my favorite restaurants are Colt and Gray( good drinks) and Frasca food and wine. Once again thanks for your response.

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