Reader: The hipster ratio at these bars disqualifies them as real dives

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Jim Wills
The Carioca Cafe, aka Bar Bar -- on dive everyone can agree on.
Yesterday we released our updated list of the best dives in the metro area, and the comments have been fast and furious. Mostly furious. Some people are peeved we included their favorite bars -- which means they'll be more crowded -- and others are irritated that we ignored their favorite bars. Some of the snubbed were the usual suspects -- Don's Mixed Drinks, for example, which we consider renovated beyond dive status. But others suggested by commenters create an excellent excuse to get out and bend an elbow this weekend.

See also: The ten best dives in metro Denver

There's also some dispute over the definition of a dive bar, a definition more fluid than stuff poured in the place:
Says Phillip:

The hipster ratio for most of these bars is far too high for a real dive. If there hasn't been a stabbing within the month, it's not a dive bar.

And then there's this from Heidi:
I love how the people pounding booze at these dives still look great/are in such good shape. Way to go, CO.
What do you think disqualifies a bar as a true dive? Too many hipsters? Too many healthy drinkers? What do you consider the ultimate dive in metro Denver?


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24 comments
Aaron Robertson
Aaron Robertson

I wonder how many things Westword can judge by usage of "hipsters"? Congrats you are no longer relevant to the city Westword.

travishenry
travishenry

A little up north, but Davies Locker is the real deal. No hipsters there. Not yet, anyway.

Rae Ann Lhb
Rae Ann Lhb

The thunderbird sucks the soul out of everything.Why would you even consider this lame ass bar. Vali may have inherited it but she will kill it as well. Yeh just saying you are a lame ass owner. You lost the neighborhood over a decade ago

Cory Thomas
Cory Thomas

westword seems thourghly obsessed with this topic lol

Latifah Abdul'laah
Latifah Abdul'laah

Dive bars fucking rock! How come the Wolf wasn't on this list. The long island ice teas are famous for turning loving couples into enraged, drunken combatants lol. If a fight or argument doesn't break out our the house vodka ain't Skols, my friend, you're not in a dive bar.

RD Jones
RD Jones

North Side: Berkeley Inn. South: Gennaro's.

Rob Jennings
Rob Jennings

The Clint Eastwood film Every Which Way But Loose has some great scenes that were filmed at real Colfax dive bars. That's back when Colfax was full of honky tonks.

Tom Spain
Tom Spain

"Dive bar" is just another different faction of being a hipster/scenester. It's no different than "rockabilly" or "punk" or "oxygen bar"...whatever. Dive bars are full of construction workers taking the edge off before going home to the family, not fashion show scene kids. And it sure as shit is not a real dive when the most hipster "news" outlet is writing some trendy article about it.

Daniel Gooden
Daniel Gooden

Pre-filled syringes?! Do you know how much time I have been wasting cooking my own dose? Now I am free to do all sorts of things with my day, like contract HIV or get in a fight with an elderly relative.

Barbara Harvey
Barbara Harvey

I've never understood while people want to go to bars.

Bräd Männ
Bräd Männ

I think the pre-filled heroin syringes some dude tried to sell me outside of Bar Bar secured its dive status in my mind. But P.S. Lounge is tame as fuck compared to the looks a white person gets walking into Mr. A's on 40th & Steele.

Mike Field
Mike Field

Mike Lawrence, your chariot awaits

James McVaney
James McVaney

I have never understood why people would want to go to a dive bar. Mind you I been to more than a fair share in my time but I never sought out one because it was "dive".

Marissa Bentley
Marissa Bentley

this is how we glorify the culture of bullying and violence in America..

Jake Culbertson
Jake Culbertson

A place doesn't have to be unsafe and disgusting to be a dive bar. That is asinine

Channing Henson
Channing Henson

I saw a stabbing at Bar Bar once...send all the cool people there and thin out their numbers

Good Neighbor
Good Neighbor

Bar bar is the real deal.. the mens room alone verifies this. People have died from drink while sitting at the bar. If you have any doubt of its rep, go have a drink there at noon on a monday.. no greater hive of scum and villainy...

Richard Scott Taylor
Richard Scott Taylor

It is best to determine a dive bar by the crowd at 7am than 7pm.. If it's a true dive, at 7am they could be on a second happy hour. AKA Terminal Bar 17th & Wazee before Jax...

ziabandido
ziabandido

So maybe a click-thru link to the updated list from "Comment of the Day"?  That'd be great.

ryancoss32
ryancoss32

There has to be at least 1 dude sitting at the end of the bar that looks like he's been sitting on the same barstool for years to be a dive bar


Also gotta give some love to Williams Tavern on 17th - a true dive!

bondadprevalece
bondadprevalece topcommenter

On that subject, Denverites also don't seem to understand what a hole-in-the-wall is. If it's not a chain and happens to be attached to another business, someone is going to call it that.


I'm from the Bible Belt (unfortunately), so my idea of a "dive bar" doesn't quite match up with Denver's.

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