Reader: We want to live in Denver, not US Homesville

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Danielle Lirette
The Plimoth opened in a century-old storefront in November.
Last winter, Peter Ryan, former executive chef/instructor at Cook Street School of Culinary Arts, inked a deal on an out-of-the-way space in North City Park that he felt was just right for the neighborhood eatery he dreamed of opening -- in what happened to be his own neighborhood, just west of City Park. But The Plimoth, which Gretchen Kurtz raves about in this week's review, is drawing customers from across the city -- and some have been a little uneasy about the area where the restaurant is located.

See also: (Review) The Plimoth could become a landmark restaurant

To them, responds Gerard:

If we're gonna live in fear of every single place that a crime ever occurred, none of us will ever leave the house. Crime happens everywhere -- even in the (gasp) suburbs! I know!

Full disclosure: I *do* live here. It's awesome. Great neighbors, sense of community, close to downtown, architecture, parks, etc. I spent the previous decade in the oh-so-safe environs of West Washington Park, and the low-level crime there dwarfs what I've experienced here.

But hey, no skin off my nose! No worries about paying you to live here, either. There are lots and lots of people who will do the paying themselves, because they want to live in Denver, not US Homesville.

What do you think of the neighborhood around The Plimoth? Is there a restaurant you're reluctant to visit because of its location?

And What do you consider the best neighborhood restaurant in town? That's one of the questions on our Best of Denver 2014 Readers' Poll, and the deadline for voting is today. Cast your ballot here.


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The Plimoth

2335 East 28th Avenue, Denver, CO

Category: Restaurant

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19 comments
StevenGregory
StevenGregory

HURRAY! Suburbanites are frightened to visit.

Now, what LoDo really needs are a couple of good drive-bys.

albertmonson
albertmonson

Suburbia is gross. It's a lie sold to America by land speculators. 20 years from now the poor will live in the surrounding zones and the rich will live in the cities. And, the city could be much safer but, it's too much work for the cops to patrol the place. they'd rather sit in their cars and give tickets.

rickstigator
rickstigator

Sure wish DPD would list Lori's food crime stats.

Denver Dave
Denver Dave topcommenter

I was poo - poo'd by bondadprevalece and Lori in the posting that started this conversation.  I defer to actual current crime statistics:


per 1000 population:  Washington Park (Lori's and my 'hood) - 5.5, Whittier 9.9, City Park 13.4, City Park West 12.4


I think I'd prefer to do my night time strolling in Wash Park.  If you can infer racism in that go ahead but I'd say that's your issue - not mine. 


bondadprevalece
bondadprevalece

I've found that the majority of Denverites who refer to "bad neighborhoods" are basically just saying there are too many minorities there or one time they overheard people speaking Spanish.

Gerard_Portmanteau
Gerard_Portmanteau

@Denver Dave  Also, keep in mind: unless DPD is changing the way they measure this stuff, both City Park & City Park West get the Colfax effect. Same reason North Capitol Hill is usually right at the top of these lists. There's also the issue of enforcement bias, but I doubt that's going to get much play here. Sometimes cops go where cops think they should go, because Crime.

LoriMidsonCafeSociety
LoriMidsonCafeSociety moderator editor

@Denver Dave  

Not poo-pooing you, Dave, but I'm thinking you must live on a block that hasn't been hit the way mine has. Between early December and early January, our neighborhood was subject to 20 residential burglaries -- and there were several more in February. The house across the street from me has been burglarized twice in the last year, my car has been broken into three times in two years, people keep stealing UPS/Fed EX packages from our porches, and several of the garages in my alley have been repeatedly grafittied. Are you a part of the Nextdoor Washington Park Addition e-newsletter list? If not, you should be (e-mail me for signup info), because the District 3 police department routinely posts crime stats, crime watches and reports of assaults, burglaries, etc.

Gerard_Portmanteau
Gerard_Portmanteau

@bondadprevalece I'd say that's part of it, for sure, but also we have ossified ideas about cities in general.


I think the notion of the suburbs/exurbs as "Safe" for whatever reason--demographic, cultural biases, etc.--is a hard one to lose, especially here, where the push outward was so thorough and striking. While we've made a lot of progress in our ways of thinking about the value of urban spaces (imagine how well the destruction of those 19th Century Capitol Hill mansions for apartment blocks would go over these days) we still have this definitional tick.

Fact is, these days, the old first-ring suburbs are the ones experiencing the worst of it.



WashPark
WashPark

@LoriMidsonCafeSociety @Denver Dave  I live in the neighborhood and everything Lori is saying is true. Whoever is stealing the packages needs to be found and fucking beaten senseless - you literally can't have a package left without it being stolen. Someone is doing it full time, and something needs to be done to catch them. 

Denver Dave
Denver Dave topcommenter

@LoriMidsonCafeSociety @Denver Dave  Interesting Lori because the stats I quoted are from DPD for Jan 2014.  Either every crime committed in Wash Park in January was on your block or DPD isn't reporting actual crime rates honestly.

Mantonat
Mantonat topcommenter

@Philo99 @bondadprevalece  Right, because the world would be a better place if people just knew their place in it and would just shut up. Even if bondadprevalece is wrong, it's better to think about the possibility of racism and racial inequality than to just pretend it doesn't exist.

bondadprevalece
bondadprevalece

@Denver Dave @bondadprevalece The reactions I get when I tell people where I live (a safe neighborhood which happens to have a high population of minorities) are pretty telling, but what do I know.

LoriMidsonCafeSociety
LoriMidsonCafeSociety moderator editor

@Denver Dave @LoriMidsonCafeSociety  

Burglary Pattern and concerns 17 Jan Technician Anthony Burkhardt from Denver Police District 3  

"Since the beginning of December 2013 we have had approximately 20 residential burglaries that appear to be part of a pattern involving the same M.O. Young Hispanic male suspects knock on the front door and ring the doorbell excessively. If nobody answers the door one suspect goes around to the back of the house and makes entry by the easiest method possible (unlocked door or window, glass break or basement window). The cases are all during the daytime and there are at least 3 suspects (a driver, one at the front door and one at the back). The suspects look to take electronics, jewelry, firearms and cash." 

You've been warned!

Mantonat
Mantonat topcommenter

@bondadprevalece @Denver Dave  I think crime and poverty are much more closely correlated, but people tend to look at skin color, people being what they are. The dude that lead police on a 90-minute chase the other day was white, but nobody says "freakin' white people - why don't they move back to Europe where they belong?!"


There's probably also a fair amount of crime being committed by wealthy people who live in wealthy neighborhoods, but those crimes usually don't get included in neighborhood crime stats. Someone embezzling money from their company or defrauding customers or sexually molesting the au pair - probably not lumped in with graffiti or broken car windows. 


Anyway, it wasn't so long ago that Wash Park was considered a bad neighborhood. In the mid 90s, a friend was dating a girl who lived near 4th and Washington (OK, technically not Wash Park - Alamo Placita?) and he was worried about her walking alone after dark. There used to be a Ukrainian Orthodox church just a little farther north on Ogden. I took my visiting grandmother there and we saw a heroine deal happen right on the sidewalk in front of the church in broad daylight.

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