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We say go for it Kennedy!!! Just like the owner of the topless cafe in Vassalboro Maine... except that it is not his lack of business sense that did that owner in, it was someone in the community who set fire to the establishment one night last February! Yes arson, from a narrow minded neighbor whose puritanical upbringing, no doubt, stripped him of his consciousness.

So, yes! go for it Kennedy! BTW, don't forget National Go-Topless Day 2009 on Aug 23rd! Boulder City women: stand up and exercise your right!

You have my attention...

You're a faggot! Sounds like an awesome idea!

You say, "But there is something shamefully pathetic about the plan of Boulder's Dan Kennedy, the CU student who wants to open a coffee shop staffed by topless coeds."

THERE ISN'T ANYTHING SHAMELESS OR PATHETIC about this idea except your blog!

huh..imagine a topless girl offering coffee to her dad on his vist to topless cofee bar. I am dead against it.

i bet if it was strip club no one would say anything

Is the author (Joe Tone) of this story gay? I bet he wouldn't call the owner of a topless male coffee shop a Shmuck. I also think he would be first in line every morning.

As the famous Iron Sheik says "Your gay and faggot"

Uh, this isn't that new. Someone opened a topless coffee shop in Maine but it got burned down. Good ol' Christian love: (see the above link)

hi , i believe people do say that it should not be opened but to be honest i just want to know, how many of us dont want to go there a topless coffee bar..atlest for once?

What's so offensive about a Topless coffee shop? As long as the people that are coming in are of age I don't really see a problem with it. A Gentleman's club is okay but throw in a little toplessness at a coffee shop and suddenly it's tasteless? You make no sense.

Why do you keep describing this guy as the top creep, as if you've assumed that the ONLY reason he's got this idea is to see the topless girls himself? He clearly thinks he can make some money off this, and despite what you say I think he could. Especially near a school, though I doubt he could get it going ON campus.
PS I'm only a student myself and even I want to urge you to look up the correct use of the phrase "begs the question" ...please.

Mr. Joe Tone, Your own revulsion at the beauty of the female form (or maybe your scant experience with it) speaks volumes, This sounds like a great idea, although using school grounds is not the best idea, I support this young man in his quest for coffee with two lumps instead of one.

The author reveals himself as a complete prude who wears shirts in the shower so he doesn't have to see his own gross skin. Why would you expect him to appreciate the natural beauty of the human form?

Wow, tell me that aint the coolest thing you ever seen!

RT
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If you want to be taken seriously by those of us who know better (which is quite a few more than you realize) you might stop using "begs the question" as if it meant "prompts the question". If you don't see it as a big deal think of what you think of writers who misuse "your" and "you're". Or if that doesn't make it clear imagine if you wrote your posts with "UR", "U", "L8R" and typing in all CAPS, how your readers would see you... uneducated.

Joe,

Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable back in the '50s? Or maybe an old folk's home?

Why not grab your walker and shuffle off home?

So what we've determined so far is that I'm a prude-ass virgin faggot with bad skin and a bad grasp of grammar who has no business writing for Westword and who should really move to Canada, because there are topless women everywhere up there, and besides, who wants to see naked Colorado women anyway? Everyone knows their tits look like yams.

You've gotta love Digg.

Moving on, a little clarification: I'm not necessarily against this idea. I wouldn't go -- it sounds awkward to me -- but if someone wants to run a topless coffee shop, that's fine. I'm just saying this it seems like a lousy business plan, and the kid's approach -- gather zero information while slapping up ads on Craigslist for chicks willing go topless -- strikes me as creepy. It doesn't strike you that way? Great. Reasonable people should be able to disagree, even if if one of those people is a lousy faggot who misuses the occasional phrase.

So you think it's fine when you're the creepy perv on some European beach staring at topless women, but have a problem when the women know they are being stared at and making money while at it? You may be correct as far as the economics and legality, as he will likely need to serve some fancier coffees, and will need a license to do it (both business and restaurant), but that would make him a bad business man, and certainly not any more of a perv than you have admitted to being.

Had his idea not been topless, you wouldn't even have brought it up. I think it boils down to you being a hypocrite. I think had you tried to push a moral aspect of this, or decency aspect you might have got somewhere with your argument, but you don't really go anywhere with why being topless at a coffee shop is any worse than the places you love women to be topless.

What a great idea. Can he come open one in my town?

Did you morons bother to read the article? he doesn't have a problem with someone opening a topless establishment, just one that sucks so badly that it's an obvious ploy to boss around a bunch of topless co-eds for his own jollies.

One day a week in a conference room on campus, serving crap coffee and granola bars, charging customers $12 to get in and then telling them they can't "ogle" the staff. In the name of all that is good about topless joints, I stand against this place opening on principle alone.

Wow, some you have very bad reading comprehension.

Also, from Answers.com:
"Begs the Question" -
Take for granted or assume the truth of the very thing being questioned. For example, Shopping now for a dress to wear to the ceremony is really begging the question--she hasn't been invited yet. This phrase, whose roots are in Aristotle's writings on logic, came into English in the late 1500s. In the 1990s, however, people sometimes used the phrase as a synonym of "ask the question" (as in The article begs the question: "What are we afraid of?").

Oh wait, having bad reading comprehension probably made you ignore the last line.

Hey "Author",

You only addressed the most extreme posts and failed to address why us reasonable people think that you're being an asshole here-
You're making such harsh judgements about a guy who is attempting to open a legitimate business.

The title of this article is called 'Shmuck of the Week: The Creep..." First, it's spelled "Schmuck". Second, you are calling this guy a "shmuck" and a creep just because you have some strange objection to women's breasts and coffee being in the same place. A guy who runs a strip club is a business man, but a guy who runs a topless coffee shop is a creep.

You can object to the business plan, hell, do whatever you want. But you've gotta expect that people are gonna get pissed when the title of the article is slamming an arguably upstanding citizen like it is. You don't think you might be being a little harsh? That's character assassination.

As a retired 32 year old "website owner" with a four hour work week, I can testify that, although this topless coffee angle may not work out, this is indeed a worthwhile direction to pursue. I hope the author remembers that when he's waking up at 7 AM and being ordered around for the next 20 years.

Writer,

How do you reconcile the hypocrisy of stating that on the one hand you support toplessness, but then describe the young entrepreneur as a creep?

You represent the moral contradiction that is the United States. An entire nation requiring therapy, with it's journalist spokespeople perpetuating the moral conflict.

Look to your new generation for fresh racial, political and ethical perspective, and then retire.

Australian.

"Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which a statement or claim is assumed to be true without evidence other than the statement or claim itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why the statement is true in the first place.

To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse."

It's spelled shmuck, actually. Consult your nearest Yiddish usage bible. Thanks for playing though, Walter.

And there's no need to defend me on "begs the question." I got that wrong. I know not my logical fallacies. Somehow, I think I'll sleep tonight.

And, once and for all: I don't think opening a topless business inherently makes you a creep. I just think the evidence points to this guy being one.

joe tone is shit

go for it dude!

Whoever the author is clearly doesn't have a clue. This idea is a big hit Southern California. Dumb author...

This author of this article is an idiot with no vision or understanding of business.

Edward Elston, you are the idiot. Rent is due, supplies need to be bought. The kid in question here says "he doesn't think just coffee and granola would keep him afloat, instead he will charge a $12 cover." All this is going to happen 1 day a week, 4 days a month, and he thinks he can even come close to covering expenses? He would have to charge a large cover, have really good expensive coffe, and quality granola...talking Starbucks prices and then some.

No brick and mortar assets, no approval plan, basically just an idea and this kid already has adds looking for women willing to work topless in his coffee bar. So he will have some poor, poor girl show up at his student apartment to flash her tits for him and then she'll be out on her ass - again, this kid doesn't own or operate a business of any sort.

Any one of us is capable of doing what this kid has done, anyone over 18 can post a craigslist add for a job for "topless baristas" and request interviews. You end up with some free titty views and the amoral tragedy that is your life.

Great work on pretending that this is a good business plan though Edward. You really shone bright for a second there - until the first word of your post was comprehended.

I would stick up for Joe but the only thing that I disagree with in this is that it should not be on a college campus. College is for learning! A topless coffee shop is not a learning environment. Show some respect for those that want to learn.

Joe... Where do I start? You need to stop and think about what you are writing before you post it. Anyone who wears a shirt in the shower is not right. Do you put it in the laundry or hang it on the line?
I am still trying to figure out if you are against the idea or not. You say that you are in favor of topless communities, and the rest of your article run them in the ground, Make up your mind.

Mr. Kennedy, I like your idea just not your location. But first make sure you keep passing grades in your college classes. I attempted college but gave up after I got my 1st of 3 English papers back at Thanksgiving. If you can handle college get a good education first it will go a long way. Good luck to you Mr Kennedy.