Butane hash has hidden dangers, says edibles maker arguing against controversial solvent

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Bubble hash.
Butane, used as a solvent in making hash, is among the more controversial substances for medical marijuana users. Experts like Westword medical marijuana reviewer William Breathes, believe butane extracts are safe when done properly. But Wanda James, co-owner of the cannabis edibles company Simplypure.com, is 100 percent anti-butane, and she's encouraging fellow manufacturers to stop using it before something terrible happens.

James and her husband and partner, Scott Durrah, are prominent members of Colorado's medical marijuana community. For instance, both appeared (along with Breathes) in The Daily Show's May 2010 segment on the state's pot scene. She's also not afraid to speak out against what she sees as problems in the industry, as opposed to taking an it's-all-good approach. And that's led her to target butane.

"We've done a lot of research," James says. "We're a chef-driven company, and Scott has taken a look at what edibles are and who's eating them. We're concerned about how we can continue to help patients heal.

"We know butane hash is very popular. Lots of edible companies and dispensaries use it, and there's lots of disagreements going back and forth, with people who like it saying that if it's done correctly, there's less than 1 percent butane left in the finished product. But people throw out these percentages without being able to say if they're accurate or not, and without knowing if even 1 percent butane might be harmful."

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Wanda James.
This concern is heightened for patients whose immune systems have been compromised, James maintains. "If you're going through chemotherapy, anything that's reducing your body's ability to deal with chemicals and solvents is the last thing we should be giving to people," she believes. "There's no way of knowing if there's a problem until someone has an adverse reaction to it, and then, the only way the consumer would know if it wasn't done right is if every batch was lab-tested for what's contained in it. And I don't know of any edible company out there that's testing every batch of butane hash that's made."

Another potential factor "is how many edibles you're eating," she continues. "If someone with lung cancer or someone going through chemo is eating a lot of these edibles with solvents, what does that 1 percent mean over the course of a week? And the last thing we want in this industry is for anyone -- even one person -- to be harmed by an edible."

For these reasons, Simply Pure eschews butane hash in favor of bubble hash, "where we do a cold extraction of the cannabanoids from the plant material," James explains. "It's done with ice and water. There are no solvents, nothing added to it."

Why doesn't every company take a similar approach? "It's extremely labor-intensive," James says, "and it's also expensive, because you have to buy the equipment to make it happen. Quite frankly, making edibles with butane hash leads to a dramatically cheaper product, which is why it's been popular in the marketplace. But it's popular without consumers understanding what they're doing. So many people say it's safe, but we don't really know that."

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Coconut almond cups from Simply Pure.
What about the potent jolt butane hash offers? James thinks "a lot of the high you get from a butane extraction may not always be from the quality of the cannabis. Some of that may be from the butane that's in it."

Besides, "the point of medicinal edibles is not to be high. The point is to get the THC and the cannabanoids into your system so that they can do the most good when it comes to pain relief, relaxation, relieving muscle spasms and so on. A lot of people do eat edibles to get a sustained high, but if your high is coming from a solvent-based gas, then it becomes the opposite of what medical marijuana is supposed to be about."

James knows taking such a public stance against butane may bother some of her peers. "A lot of people are afraid to stand up, because they don't want anyone to think they're attacking other people in the industry," she acknowledges. "And we're not attacking anyone in the industry. We think it's phenomenal, and we want to see it continue to be phenomenal. But our concern is that if anyone is harmed by something containing butane, it could bring down the entire edibles industry. And we want to make edibles safe for every patient: younger people, older people, people on chemo, people with HIV."

Her bottom line? "The medical marijuana movement is supposed to be about natural healing. And if we're talking about holistic, natural healing, there's no place for butane in that equation."

Page down to read Simply Pure's press release about butane, including links to articles and references.

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kimmy
kimmy

I know of 3 people whom after smoking bho had to be taken to emergency room, they were told they were suffering from tempoary global amnesia, one users testosterone levels plummeted. his denial of bho is sad!  i have participated a few times but did not like the high, way different than bud or hash, side effects suck, go do pills or heroin, probly safer any way than bho, dudes get real, dont kill urselves on bho! do some honest research, and kick that shit to the curb!

Give_Take
Give_Take

There's a common fear that butane is dangerous where there is little scientific knowledge to back that up, at least as far as vaporizing BHO goes.  If you're interested in a medical perspective, here's a link to a 14 minute discussion involving doctors and cannabis extractors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yerQMQt9Z64

haideehai
haideehai

BHO addicts will defend their use to the death. Literally. 80 percent of the oils in the Emerald Triangle - pot central - is adulterated by too much Butane. No one knows and no one cares, as it is not regulated, or tested. Just hearsay. Many of my acquaintances are hooked hopelessly to BHO. It is like any other addiction. Denial is a symptom.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@haideehai Thanks for adding to the conversation, haideehai. Much appreciated.

watchman
watchman

BHO is fine for smoking (the butane fully combusts), vaporizing or daubing, but it does not belong in edibles.

 

Why not, you ask?

Because butane lighter fluid, the type commonly purchased at head shops, is not an FDA approved food additive.  That means you cannot add it to food for health reasons.  Doesn't matter if you use a hollow pipe or a Tamisium extractor, once there is butane lighter fluid in it, do not add it to food. (Oh, and a quick correction to Mr. Tamisium: Heptane and Hexane are FDA approved alkanes with boiling points below 250F).

 

Everyone seems to think that the butane bubbles off and makes it safe, or they can purge it with a food saver they bought at Costco.  Unfortunately, this is untrue.  Worse yet are the residues left behind from the butane manufacturing process.  These can include carcinogenic benzene.  Not something to offer a patient who already has cancer.

 

When it comes to edibles, just say NO to BHO

haideehai
haideehai

@watchman When it comes to anything, say no to BHO.. Yes to Bubble Hash. Until the testing is available. Butane is not to be ingested in any form, in a healthy human body.

JealousMuch
JealousMuch

 @watchman

 Total bullshit! You should be ashamed for feeding this propoganda to mmj followers. Butane has been used IN THE FOOD INDUSTRY for over fifty years. There is NO benzene in the butane used for extractions. Keep trying to scare the kids who don't know anything, Mr Chemist. LOLOL at this author taking the word of someone profiting by trashing their competition.

dfultz1963
dfultz1963 like.author.displayName 1 Like

people been inhaling butane for years lighting bowls and cigarettes.  These are fear mongers.

Mccormickjacquelynn
Mccormickjacquelynn

I am readin in regards to butane in honeyoil. I live in Wasginton State. May 7th I bought purged bho from a clinic. Prior to that Ihad smoked the non purged numerous times. On May 7th within min of smkng the purgeh bho I collapsed. Non response paremedics were called I was rushed to hospital. I have suffered from seizures ever since. I have been in and out of hospital 2 times. I am looking at getting into Harborview this week to find out whats going on. I have never had a seizure or any  problems. I find it ironic within 5 min I hit the floor from one hit of smokin. Not sure if anyone else has had anythig similar . My Dr say no no no not the marajuana. But it has been a ride with all the Dr as well. I know my life has changed. If I dont take seizure meds everyday I am having them daily. I know the bho had something to do with it. Maybe there were underlying issues somewhere with me but 5 min down and a month now of seizures started with smoking bho

kimmy
kimmy

@Mccormickjacquelynn this happened to several people i know, also they have experianced temporary global amnesia, people wake up!!  This is bad shit, stick with organic bud and bubble hash! 

dfultz1963
dfultz1963

Its not the bho dude, the bho triggered epilepsy, which THC can and does do in high doses.  This is a problem with YOU, not the butane.  I know it sucks, but it's not something the average person will experience, and the same thing would have happened just by smoking whatever strain it was made from I'm sure.

readd
readd

We cannot help but feel this is a direct attack against my company. Tamisium Butane Extractors.I felt compelled to post this reply.

I am not sure if you are interested in learning about why butaneis most preferred and a safe choice of the preferred solvents used in oilproduction or not.But if you are, I would like to offer my professional insight intothe key points you are very admirably concerned with.However, I would like to add that if a solvent is dangerous or flammableis not avoidable. What is avoidable is if the danger, if any, is passed on tothe end consumer and can it be avoided in the process of getting it there.For example, toxic solvents are used in the food industry.Butane is considered non toxic and a safe alternative in those choices.The dangers are addressed and avoided every day.Ammonia is used to disinfect meat and on and on.

I would like to point out that your current extraction method may be lackingsome key components in the plant you have dedicated a large amountof time and effort to obtain. Water extractions.First off, Oil and Water don’t mix. Neither does wax and food. They are not the same polarity and never will unless you add a surfactant of some sort or reach a SC state and polarize your solvents by some process that is usually limited to afew select people.Usually surfactants are not added until you get the refined end product.There are many varieties of components in that plant that all have varyingdegrees of polarity. This is key and should not be overlooked.To do so would inhibit and even destroy the ongoing learning processwe are all undertaking now as we all discover what is important in the plants.

LETS TALK ABOUT SOLVENT CHOICEOf the solvents preferred for extracting oil.. CO2 is a great choice but not the best.Other than the potential use of high pressure for CO2, just like any unsafepractice, the danger can be avoided if done in a lab by professionals, you can learn to make it work and it will work very well.Labs are synonymous with dangerous practices and that is the reason we havethem as well as the lab permits that govern their existence.These permits and labs allow the trained professionals to deal with that fact. Facing the dangers safely. That is another story and one that needs to be addressed in more than just the state of Colorado.In Texas we have this permitting structure already and Butane is not one ofthe concerned chemicals on the long list of concerns.The chemicals used to produce illegal drugs and the dangerous chemicals toproduce drugs are not outlawed here but the use of them is controlled toallow us to continue to use them safely.

With CO2 you will not have a high yield unless you are very educated in the field ofpolarization and chemistry in general. And to some degree, hydraulics.And even then you will find that you need to add another solvent to the CO2 toincrease your yields. Heptane, Hexane and even Butane or anes specifically for oils.In the end you will find that you have to use a closer matching non polar solventto get the highest yields combined with polar and mid polar solventsand again, they then have to be removed. The easiest to remove least toxic solventsare preferred.

All this talk about yields is unimportant if safe ingestion is compromised.So let’s go over the solvent options and the risk involved.Dimethyl Ether or naphtha or pet ether. EthersHeptane, Hexane,and so on. All these solvents are not the most friendly (toxic) and must be evaporated above250F. Which would convert/alter some components used medicinally, so we arediscovering. As you may be aware of.Adding heat to a flammable solvent, again can be done safely but as alwayspresents another danger if done incorrectly. not to mention the alteration ofthe end product which may change if done after analysis which again brings upmore control techniques that we would all have to learn.This added heat is required when using these solvents, to ensure they are completelyevaporated away and do not remain in the end product.This is STANDAR PROCEDURE in the food industry.It is not a new thing but a required practice.

Due to the flammability of these solvents, most compressors for vacuum distillingthem off are not an option. Requiring a special device for that purpose. Which in itselfpresents another set of dangers and controls. Most people that are not lab savvy would learn this the hard way which again brings up the more important point of permittinglabs. 

An electrical, mechanical free system would be most advantageous butthe high evaporation temps of these other solvent choices render a system free of these devices impossible.In addition, due to their known minor toxicity levels and not so easy evaporation someconcern has been raised about their use in the food industry. However, that concernis of no concern if done correctly and so they continue to be used today.Ammonia is used to disinfect beef and is approved for production of consumedfood that we consume now. It can be done safely and ammonia is far far more toxicand costly to remove than a solvent that is non toxic and boils away at the temperaturethat freezes water.

All that being said, in comes butane as the first non toxic hydrocarbon solventthat can be recovered and reused without the aid of mechanical or electrical apparatus.It has such a low evaporation temperature ( 33F ), for the first time you canuse a system free of electrical and mechanical systems to not only extract with butalso recover the solvent for reuse, versus letting it go into the atmosphere whichis what most of the other solvent choices would be removed by.The fact that butane is non toxic could include it in an organic process due to the factthat it is non toxic and evaporates so cleanly. This is the reason it is the primary choice ofsolvent when a non/polar solvent is required for oil production.If Butane sprayed into your eyes, you would not be harmed even if you failto wash it out. It would evaporate instantly and leave no trace and will notcause a reaction to your moist eyes other than drying them out.You could not say that about acetone, or alcohol for that matter.Butane should not be considered a choice, It should be a requirement in my opinion. As long as the proper controls are in place.

CO2 is another safe choice and should be included in that preferred solventchoice with Butane above the others available which are also currently being used in the production and delivery of food grade products today and for decades. You have consumed food created by all thesechemicals at some point in your life.

You cannot outlaw or ban a solvent is the point.You must control how solvents are used and food products are created.

Banning the use of butane has a negative impact on many things.You can use butane to obtain oil from shale rock especially in Colorado andfor the first time it is cost effective. Not to mention the implications that the useof butane solvent used for oil extraction has on environmentally friendly bio fuel for cars. Oil from plants to fuel cars. Imagine that.You can damn near create that fuel for free now. I don’t know of another processthat can do that. 500 continuous watts is all that is required to extract and recover an unlimited amount of butane solvent at the rate of 1 gallon per hour per 500 watts.A basic solar panel. 

FEASABLEIn regards to CO2 the expense of obtaining the equipment suited to the high pressuresrequired to compress that sublimating solvent into a dense enough fog to make it usable puts this choice out of the reach of most people. So much for free marketand increasing much needed research which is done by guys like you and meand the many other hundreds of people out there and not just the few that havethe cash to conquer that industry. Which is now exclusively controlled and currentlyout of the reach of you and I unless you are involved in the Exclusive Rights Dealrecently in play by one of the major SCCO2 extractor manufacturers.

FLAMMABILITY/TOXICITYFlammability is not an indication of if a solvent is toxic or not. I can extract oil from oranges or even animal fat and it will ignite and burn. Flammability is an issue in any lab and is addressed daily.Almost all solvents are flammable and must be safely used.Although, unlike other solvents which fill the total air space, butane is heavyand sinks to the floor and would require a single low ignition point versusan ignition point that could come from any level when working with other solvents.

What determines toxicity is what happens to it if it is consumed and brokendown by the body or left intact in whole form and ingested or inhaled.In those two states, butane is generally considered non toxic.In a closed system that is required to recover the solvent, that is not an issue anyway.Even so, it is far less toxic than optional solvents already in use today to produce foodgrade products.So much so that butane is used as the propellant in cooking oil spray canisterswhich are used directly above an open flame in our kitchens.Why don’t they use CO2? hmmSo is propane used to cook with and on and on. Maybe we take it for grantedjust how much we already use propane and butane to produce food productsthat you most likely consumed today and the day before.Not just to cook them. But to extract them and deliver them in all forms.

EVEN With all the safe facts, In my opinion, you should use the butane to get the product out and thenproperly evaporate the solvent away by recovering the solvent for reuse so that you can obtain a known purity weight for a prescription.Standardize the dose and prescribe it properly. Way before you get to the standardization process, all solvents have beenevaporated away that boil at 33 degrees F.Well, only butane and CO2 boils at that low of a temperature and evaporates completely. That I know of.

QUALITYOne last thing to consider is the quality and total complete extraction thatcan be obtained in any extraction process. The low recovery temperature of butane allows you to harness the low temperatureevaporating highly volatile chemicals in a plant extraction that would otherwise be lostif BUTANE were not used and heat were required to evaporate the other solventchoices. Which is why HPLC spikes have increased and new spikes have beendiscovered using butane as the extracting solvent.

If butane solvent is singled out and banned in a state, and then the FederalGovernment overcomes their fear of MMJ, you will have to move to another state ifyou want to compete with as high a quality product outputted in a butane extraction.You would have to move to a state that had the insight to think ahead and beyondwhat a rightfully concerned but quick to react few has induced onto the wholefor what I believe is really about control of an industry.

Be it financial motivation or real concern for safety.By banning/outlawing the use of butane, you will encourage or force labs to createextractions using far more toxic chemicals that are already allowed everywhereelse if done safely and are just as flammable. These other toxic chemicals may be safe enough and currently in use but none are as safe as butane.

I am not really political per say but some logic must come into play atsome point. Or at least an educated perspective.

I wish you the bestDavid McGhee

Cajunman420
Cajunman420

Guess what Wanda, your flavors and extracts that you buy in the grocery store were all extracted the same way. What a fool!

JealousMuch
JealousMuch

And she/her husband claim to be chefs!! What a biases joke this lady is. People like this who trash other mmj providers should be boycotted and chased out.

Herbforpeace
Herbforpeace

Sounds like they are losing money and they don't like it.

Robert Leclercq
Robert Leclercq

PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH!!!! THIS ARTICLE IS VERY OPINIONATED!!!

Butane extracts smoked off a hot platter deliver arguably LESS butane than smoking a bowl of flowers with a BIC lighter!

Also BHO vs Bubble... Think about all the impurities in the WATER! CHLORINE, FLOURIDE, ect ect depending on your local source. So while all you morons bash on my BHO, I laugh in your face while you smoke chlorine from your bubble hash!

Yes you should KNOW YOUR SOURCE because BHO CAN BE DANGEROUS, but if done correctly it is FAR safer for ingestion for Chemo/Aids patients than CRUDE extracts such as Bubble.

Former EdiPure Employee
Former EdiPure Employee

Now they have their spin off edibles called edi-pure!  They spray Hostess cupcakes, twinkees, sour patch kids, nutter butters, ......scammers!

Zacdes50
Zacdes50

What the hell are they spraying them with??

Sawbonespc
Sawbonespc

This stupid fucking woman does not understand Food Grade.. .She's a profit driven cunt.

Chirsdt
Chirsdt

Sounds like a scare tactic used under the guise of caring about people, but in reality it is a ploy to sell more of her own companies edibles. You can make edibles at home very easily. You don't need this woman to make them for you. Butane is NON-TOXIC. If purged properly, key word being "properly" you can have pure oil left with little to no butane.Why not go after cigarettes or something really harmful. Oh, because cigarette companies don't directly affect your business, that's why.

R410a
R410a

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Mike Smith
Mike Smith

My local dispensary just clarified some of the dangers of butane processing. One of the workers there told me of an occasion, years ago, when he had purchased some hash oil. When he went to light it to smoke, he said, it looked to him like sparking was going on - as he brought the lit lighter to his pipe, actual pops of flame startled him. He contacted hus distributor, and he was told that "not all of the butane has evaporated yet so your getting this sparking. Just leave the lid off of the container, to let the butane evaporate off.". Richard Pryor supposedly blew up when no one ever had before, what is going to happen to one of us if newly opened bottles can be so flammable? Granted, this story I was told happened MANY years ago, and I'm certain procedures have gotten better. However, I agree that we most definitely need research but, until then, I only habituate dispensaries that purvey butane-free solids. Thanks for thus extra info - knowledge is power!

Esfesefs
Esfesefs

this is a bullshit puplicity stunt to give this company more promo. stop going after butane.

moofy
moofy

Have you ever thought that some places may use other materials that aren't butane? Things like liquid nitrogen are very feasable to make oils, it doesn't have to be butane just because thats what most people use. Also far far better then bubble hash could get

Wesley Pypes
Wesley Pypes

BHO is only dangerous as long as prohibition prevents us from knowing whats in our concentrates. IF you get industrial grade butane (not legal in the US) you can get clean BHO. Given enough time and methodology you can clean it.

On top of that there are CO2 extracts and Oxygen extracts.

Also, you don't have to use it in edibles. There are devices for vaporizing oil very effectively.

I dislike the dependence of Hash oil on solvents but it is the superior way to medicate.

Jonmoparman
Jonmoparman

Ok nay sayers, i live in denver colorado "allways a mile higher then everyone else" do me a favor please...look up www.fullspectrumlabs.com or fsl for short its one of two cannabis labs in the country right now the other in oakland are the only ones testing all edibles, hash, including butane, actual marijuana for potency, lineage, harmfull chemicals, and thc, cbn, and cbd counts. Do the researc!h many of the wonderfull dispencerys in colorado use fsl to test there meds if not for bragging rights!!!!!!!! So realy its up to those who speak on shit they are obviously not informed on- to be informed and, dooooo the research!. Its also up to the patients of medical marjiuana to be in the know, and be wise and informed as to wich dispencery they choose to purchase there meds, cause not all dispencerys are equal in our state!!! ask anyone who lives here. There are ones out to just get your money!!! this is a sad fact ;\  "you know who you are".theres ones who actualy care for your well being so equaly on your shoulders as well. Maybe in the future people will do research and come correct instead of this b.s. arguement case closed

Peace,Love,Brown rice and Namaste bitches

                                                                                                 woombroom69                                                                                                 legal medical patient

jake
jake

Haha, Wana James is an idiot. Out of all the things out there to complaign about and start a movement over, she's choosing 'Hash made with Butane'. I suppose next she'll go to the crack houses and tell the crack dealers the correct way to cut their cocaine?(Don't think i'm comparing marijuana to cocaine, i'm not. marijuana SHOUlD be legal, but regardless) in an era such as right now, why the hell is she complaining about 'butane hash'? for those who are on chemo undergoing therapy, maybe they shouldn't smoke ANY marijuana?? Maybe the whole 'medical marijuana thing' is a joke and it should JUST be legalized? I mean, come on. Who has cancer and wants to get stoned throughoout it...? Talk about a HORRIBLE trip!

TheTruth
TheTruth

I like how they call butane toxic. n-butane has no other chemicals and has a boiling point of -11 celcius. That means that it will all be purged out very quickly. However, bubble hash has tons of contaminants in it! Resin is sticky and a lot of shit gets attracted to it in the grow process. You should of seen the stuff left behind after I washed my bubble hash with denatured alcohol. There was quite a bit of hair and dirt and god knows what else left on the filter. Also, making hash with butane is in no way cheaper than bubble hash. It is in fact a much lengthier process that takes skill and the use of a quality butane. I use Colibri and it cost me around $200 to make 1 ounce of oil. Whoever wrote this is an idiot and obviously has no back ground in chemistry.

Moshi Moshi
Moshi Moshi

Of course, no one has yet to just come out and say it in the simplest terms possible: there is not a single Colorado MIPS business that actually uses butane hash in edibles sold over the counter and marketed here in the state. None. They don't exist! Wanda James has made it all up and created a fake scandal to get her name and the name of her crappy company onto the inter-tubes. Congrats, WW, for falling for another scam.

Will Breathes
Will Breathes

Moshi,

That's not true at all. I know of several companies who make edibles using butane hash oil and who will tell you happily that they do so while explaining how butane extractions done correctly are safe for consumption.

I've seen a big shift from using water-based hash to butane hash for things like candies and suckers, for example.

Moshi Moshi
Moshi Moshi

I had no idea - I haven't seen a single edible that lists it as an ingedient. So can you tell us where you stand on this issue? Do you believe butane hash is dangerous for use in edibles?

MMJ DOC
MMJ DOC

I guess we can see who is making stuff up. Perhaps you should read more before posting.

REALLY!!?? FUCKING REALLY!!??
REALLY!!?? FUCKING REALLY!!??

After reading all of this only 1 thought has come to my mind........we are fucked and this scene is beat. This scene is beat and so is the movement. Are you all for real? We are fucked. With this kind of shit going on how are we ever going to get where we all ultimately want to be? We are fucked. Thanks for nothing A-holes.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

A lot of frustration in this comment -- but it obviously comes from a true place. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

420HighWays, LLC
420HighWays, LLC

For the Record - 420HighWays and or Veronica Carpio, does not use butane in any infused products our patients ingest. The only thing I make with butane is Colorado Gold CTC oil aka"ear wax". Any one making statements about how my products are made, have no proof and are liars. If anyone at any time has questions about how our Cannabis products are grown, sold, packaged, and or made, they can ask!

In regards to the Cheeba Chews. 420HighWays and James aka Cheeba Chews (the only one who makes the hash oil for the Mile High Cheeba Chews) was my partner with this product for almost 12 months. Our original packaging was nothing but a wax paper wrapper, then someone went to the ER from a Denver dispensary due the this product, I then made simple Gold labels and started packaging/distributing them that way. Then a rumor began to circulating that 420HighWays was getting sued by Tootsie Roll for trade mark infringement. Not True. That is when the newest labels were created with the new name "Chebba Chews". When 1284 was in acted, James went behind my back and made some kind of deal with Mile High. He along with Mile High is piggy backing off all my hard work, branding and marketing of this product. James took our recipe and our labels and left so he and Mile High could mass distribute this product. Unfortunately, this cannabis product was never meant to make people go on a "trip" but rather help chronic pain patients. James you can't stay underground forever....we both know how you work. We both have families to take care of and protect - stop attacking me and do the right thing.

Bob & Buckie at Full Spectrum can attest to the fact that 420HighWays, LLC was the only one in the beginning before 1284 to test any hash toozie roll product.

Let be clear - the systems is set up to fail. Everyone is now turning on each other and disclosing information about recipes, trying to take each other out - this is very bad. Is every one blind to what is going on here - we have all been divided. It is ok if we have different biz models and opinions, but we all are part of the same movement.

Butane Hash will be made and smoked regardless of what the state dictates or not. Infused products makers either have the gift + knowledge or don't. It is that simple! MMJ patients and other responsible recreational users over 21 will decided what works and was does not.

420HighWays "OG Toozie Rolls" and the Mile High Cheeba Chews are not made with Butane.....

Veronica Carpio 420HighWays, LLC720.434.5210

Cheeba Chewsâ„¢
Cheeba Chewsâ„¢

Cheeba Chewsâ„¢ would like to clear up a few things to anyone that reads these comments.

-Selling Cheeba Chews™ in your store or to other stores, does not give you or your company any right to be a partner with Cheeba Chews™, or ownership of the IP.  

-You were never a partner.  Acquaintance yes, but never a partner.

-Cheeba Chews™ have never been labeled as chebba chews.  Heres a link to a picture on facebook with Cheeba Chews original wrapper/label.  https://www.facebook.com/photo...  

-Cheeba Chews™ never went behind anyones back.  We just had a plan B, & C while preparing a sound business plan which you were no help.  Rather you wanted to 420 hustle day-to-day style.  When hb1284 took effect we gave you ample time to find a Denver kitchen (to sell edibles in Denver you need a Denver kitchen, FYI).  420 Failed to do so, so we parted ways, and you never sold a legit Cheeba Chew™ again. 

-For you to say the recipe and labels were stolen from you is truly out of spite.  420 has now been closed for over 2 months.  Cheeba Chews™ is still going stronger than ever.

Sincerely,--C.C.

rob
rob

How come your "Chebba Chew" (Nice lame attempt at fooling people into thinking they're getting the real thing, by the way.) knock-off has CTC oil listed as an ingredient on your wrapper? Don't you make that with butane? I thought that you didn't use butane in any infused products our patients ingest.

Kurtriggin
Kurtriggin

a friend of mine gave me some butane hash i ate it i got real sick and had a headace for 2 days dont let frends try this this is it is not medicine this is poison.

Victoria
Victoria

Boycott Wanda James, Josh Stanley, Budding Health, Norton Arbalez. All industry people dedicated to stomping on patient rights.

Boulder Med Cannabis
Boulder Med Cannabis

boycott any MMJ businesses that are trying to shut down others through legislation or other BS tactics such as Wanda's article on butane.

ITS SOOO SEE THROUGH!

how about the best product wins, and stop the stupid crap that is only going to hurt everyone?!

instntkrma
instntkrma

the sock puppet army is pretty funny

Straight Answers
Straight Answers

I'm a health freak, and a customer at Denver Relief and I saw their post on their site, and this whole thing actually concerns me.

I read the Westword bit, the PR from Simply Pure, and also that the California Supreme Court made chemical processing of any controlled substance illegal a few years ago.

I can't get past why these Supreme Court justices would do that if they didn't think it was dangerous. There's no doubt in my mind that if the chemical process was safe, that the a lawyer with considerable resources would have convinced the justices differently.

And yeah, it's easy to point fingers at the whistle-blower for her concerns, but why can't anyone site any reputable sources that prove its safety. Everyone so far just mentions boiling points and say it's completely evaporated, and that everyone else uses it in their cooking sprays and so it must be fine. But I don't buy that for a second. I NEED SOME SCIENTIFIC DATA FROM REAL SOURCES.

Honestly, right now I'm going to error on the side of caution until someone proves that the chemical hasn't fused to the plants oils, and I'll tell you why....

This reminds me of the argument I've had with my dad on the rBST in most of America's dairy products. My dad claims that because most companies allow it, and the FDA has approved it, that it's safe. Yeah, he’s Republican. LOL Uh, last time I checked, the FDA is both politically and financially biased. Everyone in a capitalistic society is, even the gov't.

It's plain to see after hormones were added to our meat and dairy. Our children (not mine) are growing up with major hormone problems, boys with boy boobs and girls with huge chests at 9 or 10yo. This is not normal people! We've got to wake up. Putting anything synthetic (like hormones) in our food is going to have repercussions when we put it in our bodies.

I shop at Wholefoods and I know they don't carry anything with rBST or hexane because of their stance on chemicals and hormones in our food supply, and I appreciate that. Apparently this is the same stance Simply Pure is taking.

If you know otherwise, then tell us why it's safe. Because homogenized (boiled) milk DOES NOT get rid of the hormones they give to the animals which produce it, nor does it evaporate the chemical pesticides sprayed on the crops that they feed the animals, which is then served up on our plates in the food we eat.

So frankly, this whole argument based off of other companies doing it, or being able to boil/evaporate it away may work for the laymen, but not for anyone concerned about their health really seeking answers. Thanks!

Moshi Moshi
Moshi Moshi

You really need to do more reading....you seem confused. Your milk analogy makes absolutely no sense and you have been hornswaggled by fear and rhetoric.

No Colorado cannabis edibles currently sold in the state are made with butane. NONE. Is that easy enough for you to understand?

chuck
chuck

"I can't get past why these Supreme Court justices would do that if they didn't think it was dangerous."

Yeah, I like to get all my scientific opinions from lawyers and judges. And when I get a speeding ticket, I ask one of my scientist buddies to come to court with me to try and help get it knocked down.

anonymous
anonymous

So many words, yet so full of fail. You wanna ad hom me some more now?

instntkrma
instntkrma

Hey Wanda - how many parts per million of powdery mildew is acceptable to you?

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