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"Fake birth certificate:" Could debate even after document release get Barack Obama re-elected?

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"Birth Certificate May Be Fake (Poll):" This headline, on a Colorado Springs Gazette editorial that followed President Barack Obama's release of a so-called long-form birth certificate meant to prove once and for all that he was born in the United States, certainly implies that the paper's editorial board questions the document's authenticity. But does it really?

In fact, the piece takes no position on the certificate's legitimacy, and instead ridicules birther "nut jobs," exemplified by KHOW talk-show host Peter Boyles.

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The birth certificate.
Editorial author Wayne Laugesen is hardly a fan of Obama, who he accuses of "hurting this country as a failing president" by "compounding the progressive economic catastrophes of George W. Bush." However, he's even more critical of birthers -- "conspiracy nuts" every bit as loony as those who believe 9-11 was an inside job.

After referencing a Gazette editorial from February predicting that Obama had his birth certificate in hand and would release it at the most politically advantageous time, Laugesen recaps White House statements referencing "sideshows and carnival barkers" distracting from the nation's most important challenges. He then seques into Boyles' reaction this morning to the appearance of the certificate -- not an apology and immediate retirement, but the declaration that "this isn't over." For instance, he wondered why Obama's race appears as "African" -- the sort of teensy error that probably wouldn't have been left in place if the document had been forged.

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The Gazette poll.
Or would it? As of an hour ago or so, the aforementioned Gazette poll showed respondents about evenly split between believing the birth certificate was the genuine item and those thinking Obama put it together at a nearby FedEx Office shop. See the screen capture at left.

Whatever the case, Laugesen sees the timing of the release as a way of keeping the spotlight on Donald Trump, whose flirtation with a presidential run appears to be siphoning off attention from legitimate hopefuls. He also predicts that "Boyles and other conspiracy nuts will instantly expand the conspiracy to include bureaucracies and people at the highest level of government" -- a sideshow that "may help keep Obama as ringmaster for another four years."

This conclusion will likely disappoint those who click on the Gazette piece hoping to confirm that the newspaper has declared the birth certificate bogus. But don't expect this sting to last for long. Birthers are clearly a resilient lot.

More from our News archive: "Barack Obama's selective service records accessed by CO Springs birther Greg Hollister?"


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WhoIsObama
WhoIsObama

Osama Obama Biden Bin LadenOne coincidence? Two coincidences?NO COINCIDENCE

NEW WORLD ORDER PLAYBOOK EXPOSED

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Many get rich quick scams serve as product placement for new cutting edge internet technologies, and logos, some sold through Clickbank. The people appearing in testimonials are part of the expansion of this organization and are often pitching other high priced products and services. They all link to one another through their marketing strategies and ability to optimize in search rankings.

Between the aliases the use, and the way in which they speak about things, everything they do has double meaning. Their faces in Google image search is similar to the picture book of symbols mentioned in The Da Vinci Code movie. Here is a code of look a likes pitching all sorts of stuff who are interconnected;

Selling a program on making millions online is Professor James Bradley who looks like the Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers.

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It appears the internet marketing experts controlled the comments, the headlines, and the finance of the last election online with the highest ranking site in Google search, Youtube.

In my strongest opinion this is the last piece of the puzzle, Osama Bin Laden is also a spokesperson, and a look-a-like. Osama represents Obama/Biden (Bi)n La(den.)

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Eric
Eric

Ok.

I'm done with the exception of just one piece of advice, it's time to move past this nonsense.

Here's what I honestly believe is the best course of action, one that only you can decide is right or not.

The "twins" con died two years ago, victim of factcheck.org. But...................there will be more off the wall shit coming and anybody that wants to keep this thing alive will have fodder through the next election and beyond.

All I can suggest is that you find and back a viable republican candidate to run against the President. If for some reason that happens, you will have a shot at defeating him in '12.

Done.

I am a United States Navy combat veteran, did a RVN tour in '69. I believe in the sacredness of the Presidency. I also believe that had any...........I mean ANY...........of the outrageous claims about the President's qualifications to be our CIC were valid............that's VALID............they would have come to life during his run for Illinois State Senate, his run for United States Senator from Illinois, and/or his run for the Presidency. He was vetted as much as any other candidate and no one with any validity has continued this harassment since the President released the SHORT FORM during the '08 campaign.

Just as backdrop, the SHORT FORM was all that was, is or ever will be needed to satisfy the qualifying boards concerning his candidacy. The long form, which I don't think he should have released, simply because it was cow towing to conspiracy nuts, was a COURTESY people like you birthers never did or ever will deserve, period.

Whatever you and your ever shrinking numbers of birther conspirators think, the Commanding Officer of the Armed Forces, the CIC, the President of the United States is Barack Obama, and he will remain that in effect until voted out or he reaches the end of his second term.

Perhaps nothing ever said will reach you, but at least I can end this knowing I gave it one last shot.

If he's so unpalatable, beat him at the polls. 

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

I've noticed that nobody is commenting or even arguing against these allegations either you guys have no idea how to look these up for yourself or you have and now know the truth!!! I have yet another piece of evidence for you guys this was just sent to me via a friend and I encourage anyone to please look up these facts and help me decide if it is real!

For whatpurpose this will serve, here is the magic document almost everyone was hopingto get.Snopes.com says it's true.Here itis, folks! The document we have been waiting for! Now if only SOMEONE in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!Spreadthis around.....if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem tobe, Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!This iswhat Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide. Here's aclose-up of the top of the document where you can plainly read his name and hisparent's names, etc....A Britishhistory buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was forMombasa in 1961.After onlya few minutes of research, he called back and said "Sir Edward F.Lavender. Note the same name near the bottom of the photo above.Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australianlibrary."Andhere’s a close-up of the bottom of the document where you can read "CoastProvidence of Kenya" and the official signature of the Deputy Registrar..... The abovedocument is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth", butbelow is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth...the real-deal legal kindof certificate.The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified thatObama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital inMombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of aKenyan Colonel who recently got it directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya . Here it is..... Note the footprint!!The local Muslim Imam inMombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official nameon this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.The grandmother of Barack HusseinObama, Jr., reveals the story of hisbirth in Mombasa, Kenya, a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimmingat ocean beach in Mombasa........"On August 4, 1961Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival inMombasa, Kenya.Mother had been refusedentry to airplanes due to her ninth month of pregnancy. It was a hot August dayat the festival so the Obama’s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming inthe ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the CoastProvincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hourslater at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four dayslater his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as acertificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."Letter from Kitau inMombasa, Kenya......"I happen to beKenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am ateacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birthcertificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly thesame. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am bynature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things thatcannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up thepicture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. Thereis even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and wasin charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reasonthe date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republicwhen the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word"copy". My copy also has republic of Kenya. So what you say is trueabout Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's birth, however it was arepublic when the copy was ordered.The birth certificate isgenuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We arevery proud Obama was born here. We have a shrine for him and there are manypeople who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are beinginterviewed now by one of your media outlets.Fortunately they evenhave pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at theMombasa hospital with the hospital in the background.It will be a proud dayfor us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the mostpowerful man in the world.I encourage anyone tocome here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures atthe hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identicalto what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau" WELL, HERE IT IS....Lolo Soetoro, StanleyAnn Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro.Thisregistration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the FransiskusAssisischool inJakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama underthe nameBarry Soetoro made byhis step-father, Lolo Soetoro.Name: Barry SoetoroReligion: IslamNationality: Indonesian How didthis little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama)getaround the issue of nationality to become President of the United States ofAmerica ?PART 2:In a movecertain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, thegroup"Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies ofPresident Obama'scollegetranscripts from Occidental College...Thetranscript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, receivedfinancial aid as aforeignstudent from Indonesia whilean undergraduate at the school. The transcript was releasedbyOccidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by thegroup in theSuperiorCourt of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied forfinancialaid andwas awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright FoundationScholarship program.Toqualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.Thisdocument provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have beenseeking -that heis NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be Presidentof theseUnitedStates. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya, here we seethat there isno recordof him ever applying for US citizenship.GaryKreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of theirinvestigationofObama's campaign spending. Thisstudy estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12states for legal resources to blockdisclosureof any of his personal records.Mr. Kreepindicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final reportwill be providedto theU.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on thismatter.LET OTHERFOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS -- THE MEDIA WON'T!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Three people convicted of terror-relatedoffenses after 9/11 were given U.S. citizenship later, outraging Rep. Steve King, the Republican chairman of the House subcommittee that deals with immigration. “It’s outrageousthat you can have people under your very nose and adjudicate them through theprocess and convict them and then turn around and grant them citizenship,” Kingtold CNS News.

The unidentified trio were all granted U.S.citizenship under the Obama administration, two in 2009 and one in 2010,according to federal auditors.

They were caught up in an investigation involving “an identified link tointernational terrorism,” said the report from the Government AccountabilityOffice. “But they were charged with violating other statutes, including fraud,immigration, drugs, false statements, and general conspiracy charges.”

Two were convicted of “unlawful production of an identity document” and the other of breaking sanctions bytransferring funds out of the country. The offenses are referred to as“Category II” terror-related cases.

King is calling for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to conduct background checks for all applicantsfor citizenship. “Nobody should be getting citizenship that has beenadjudicated in this fashion. It’s something that we’re going to have to take upwith” the immigration agency, he said.

King said he is in the business of making sure immigration laws are enforced. “We have those laws for a reason —it’s about national security,” the Iowa congressman said.

“When you think of all the things that we went through after September 11 to try to put security in place so that we canprotect this nation from terrorists and then to find out that we are grantingthem citizenship — it is something that America should not tolerate and thepatience level of the American people should have been worn thin a long timeago on these kind of mistakes.”

© Newsmax. All rightsreserved.

This is the president that you all back under his admin terrorists are allowed citizenship but no he wouldn't lie about a little old bc not him this news is outrageous but I'm sure that if one of our other presidents had done this you know one of the white ones and we complained then it wouldn't be racist it's only racist because of the color of his skin so apparently when your black you can't do anything wrong and be criticized for it with out the person criticizing you being labeled a racist, bullshit!!!! This has nothing to do with color it's about a president who is secretive and a straight up lier and now someone who allows terrorists into our country!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Just so everyone knows I don't expect you to prove the documents real I would just like an explanation for the inconsistancies in the document they have to be out there even if this is a copy. You should still see the embossing and there would be no writing all over an official document! Please people someone with a rational head on their shoulders explain this to me or mabe find a similar bc that dosent have an emobossing effect or that has the writing. If you are worried about someone getting the info black out the important info on the document don't worry I won't be looking for layers. Just would like to see a valid bc with at least some of the same problems on it I could then possibly beleive that the presidents bc is real!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

I have been in an ongoing argument with Eric for the past few days about this bc of the presidents I'm neither for him or against the president I've never really been a fan of any president we've had in office since I was old enough to under stand what they talked about so I guess you could say I dislike them all equally I listen to their talk while they are being elected and hear them tell each group of people they are talking to completely conflicting stories. as well as their promises in office i.e. "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" or how about the ever famous "we will find the WMDs" they all have had their lies and their deceit in their own way I'm sure that people won't like this but I'm really not with any party I vote for the person whose the better of two evils not republican, democrat, or any other party I personally haven't liked my choices since I started voting!I'm just trying to get the facts and find it funny that if I personally took a birth cert. that looked like Obamas to any place who needed it in order to provide a service I would not receive that service(i.e. getting a passport) as a matter of fact they would see the no embossing and send me away before they even seen the rest. I realize that this particular cert is not the original but if there is only one they can actually have a copy certified how do I know this my own mother did this, mind you she is not the president and is a house wife no connections with anyone that could help her just did it the old fashion way made some calls and had it sent to her via the postal service(btw even her certified copy is embossed) so please if anyone has straight forward answers to these questions not about the OCR or the stupid layering I would love to hear it!

Also I realize I'm no expert on birth certs or any other document for that matter but I've been around for a while, spent six years in the military and saw hundreds of different certified documents as well as quite a few birth certificates. It's always been common knowledge that you just don't tamper or write on in any way a certified document as Obamas clearly has. You don't have to be an expert to have some basic common knowledge of something.

I personally could care less if Obama was born in Timbuktu as long as he will do his job correctly to the best of his abilities but to put up something that is so odd without any explanation on top of the fact it took two years and a rich man(The chump oops Trump) that I personally can't stand even to look at(his appearance may have scared Obama into just giving up the bc fake or not) none of it makes sense to me If you were undoubtedly born here and you work somewhere that requires proof then when asked you should show it without delay thats also called good work ethic. Please someone educate me on the reasons behind all of this and hopefully something that isn't just angry gibberish about racism or ocrs or the ever present(if your Eric) hillbilly references all because I chose not to use a derogatory comment to a black lady. Just give me fact and or places where I can get facts preferably not biased on either side weather it be birthers or antibirthers!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

I would also like to point out that with all the proof against this being real the only argument as to it being real has been your a racist! I have several african american friends that would love if you told them I was racist they would probably kick your ass all the way back to were ever your from! I'm also a computer nerd I love computers and the layering has nothing to do with OCR I looked it up and attempted to try it several times there is no way to do what they did with the birth cert. without changing the document! Thats a fact!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

I have read just about every argument on this issue, all of them very disturbing Most of the beople who beleive that this is a fake talk about the layers and different shades on the numbers and other print. Most of the the people who beleive its real Think the people who don't are stupid peabrained racists and comment on the "OCR"!

I am far from rascist I've gone out with two different colored women one of which I was in love with, I've looked at the layers thing which is upsetting but to me the biggest issuse for me are:1. No mothers mailing address2. The weird writing all over the document in lighter hand writen print3. Not only does mother not have a address but apperently has never worked (I realize she is 18 but in those days kids had more of a work ethic than todays kids mostly installed by parents)4. The fact that it says he was born on aug 4 of 61 but is not signed by any one untill the 7th and then again on the 8th whats with the 3 to 4 day delay there?5. First of all who do you know who signs only one name when they sign their name let alone the fact the guys name is apperently Ukelee which is the incorrect spelling for the instrument anyway! This guy was apperently the local registrar in 1961.6. And most important, I've personally looked at three seperate birth certificates from three different people born in 1961 that also lived in Hawaii and all of which have embossing thats the bumped up seal usually in the botom left of the document even one of which was a copy of the original but you could still see were the embossing was. Where is Obomas embossing??? Kind of means if you have it that it is official!

Well as I rambled on about this I realize I am not the best speller nor am I that great with grammer but I am going to school to fix that problem. I also realize that with the enormous amount of proof out there that this is a faked document that no matter if you slap them in the face with the physical evidence some people are so enthralled by this guy that they still wont beleive it! I think its time he left office anyway he was a great novelty for a short time I personally think he should be impeached Not because hes black but because if he can't tell america the truth about somthing this important and simple what else is he lying about.

Guest
Guest

I was in Colorado Springs on Saturday, and was again saddened that a city so gorgeous is filled with such hate-mongers hiding behind religion and patriotism to mask their racism and ignorance.

Mzeichner
Mzeichner

Nobody is above the law. including and especially Obama, who's supposed to set an example for all of us. He must be exposed and removed from office, before he damages the office of President, any further. He took an oath of office, to protect and defend the Constitution, but has disrespected it every chance. Although many people feel it is a waste of time to pursue the birther issue, it encompasses, violations of many laws, and he should be held accountable. He may be tring to change our way of life as we know it, and turn the U.S. Into a third world country.

musimann
musimann

Interesting how the anti-birthers will believe any theory without really investigating it. Take the OCR argument. It is not valid. The only reason to use OCR (optical character recognition) is to convert a printed document to an editable form. Get it? Editable. The only reason to use OCR is so you can edit it! Does anybody get the illogical nature of this argument? Why would anyone in the Obama administration want to edit the birth certificate? I used OCR on the birth certificate in Acrobat Pro. You get editable fonts or images where it won't recognize fonts, like a signature. There is no OCR info in layers of this document. That means OCR WAS NOT USED. So it's a silly argument and obviously a ploy used to hide the fact that this is a fraud. It is technical so they use it to hide the truth. But you will not see Fox or any other News outlet interview an "expert" who knows this. It is rather common knowledge in the design and printing field. I know it because I've working in it for over 20 years.

So instead of a real discussion you get these emotional charged simpleton arguments like "birthers are crazy." In itself the charge is ridiculous. Anybody with any level of functioning intelligence will ask questions and seek answers. Only fools believe propaganda and lies. It's healthy to ask questions. Anybody that still believes Obama's story after three fake birth certificates and all the contradicting stories and excuses needs to have their head examined.

BTW there is no seal on this document - did anyone ask why? A birth certificate without a State seal is invalid in court. I could go one but hopefully you get the picture.

The fact is the press has not asked one serious question about this new document. Now why do you think that is?

designer
designer

I will just tell you that I have been a graphic artist for 30 year with the newspaper.

I was surprised when I opened this document from the white house, it had been assembled with at least 8 different parts. When I took it to our editor I was told not to worry about it. I thought we were suppose to pursue the proof. This document should not have been touched. I should be one complete layer when scanned it.

If anyone turned this document into the government to prove their birth, it would not be accepted! It is a assembled image.

HERMAN CAIN FOR PRESIDENT!

Tarek Sawaf
Tarek Sawaf

This is the President of the USA, releasing a document that is supposedly the original. The problem is that it looks or seems fake to those experienced in photoshop.

Now, the President could have made it look 100% authentic - he's the President, but instead, he clearly WANTS to keep this discussion going in order to distract from all his false promises and other failures.

I should mention that I voted for Obama.. and I'm not doing that again.

Khardy50
Khardy50

The BC on Gov. com is a photoshopped copy..why would that be?...people need to stop falling face first into Obama's rhetoric...If the document was real..it would not have been formatted in adobe photoshop..simple as that...Millions of people have downloaded from Obama's site and have it....I have it and it is indeed been layered in photoshop..so why would Obama have that done?...It's simple..Im not saying it's fake I just wonder why he would mess with it like that knowing it would be looked at..????????? something stinks and it's coming from the whitehouse..

Stratads
Stratads

You all are missing the big picture. They released this scam in order to keep it in the news while they do their side business of crushing the economy. It is so much a fake that it is not worth talking about anymore, he pulled the old "okie doke" on us, and is grinning all the way to Goldman Sachs. No one need to convince the unconvincable. I guess we need to call them the "over-truthers". Did anyone see the GDP reports for the first quarter? That is where the scam is. The government is running the economy with stimulus, trillions in deficit spending and raising the debt limit to spend more and the GDP is taking nose dive. What more proof do you need.

ZombieBankDeathSquad
ZombieBankDeathSquad

Obama is a puppet.Has he shut Guantanamo?He is at war with more countries than Bush.Have any of you bothered to look at the obviously forged document with fonts with different resolutions in the same word or numbers?That's impossible if it was original.The only reason anybody takes notice of you America is because you go round the world killing people.You're the terrorists.Everybody is getting rid of dollars, China, Russia, India, Brazil. USA is over apart from the bully.It has nothing to do with his colour. It has everything to do with the top 1% ripping the world off with free trade and derivatives.They have outsourced your jobs. Last year you as a country lost 23% of your wealth while at the same time the top 1% gained 25% extra to their wealth. More people are on food stamps which JPMorgan make money off delivering.Maserati sales are up 40% and designer shoes 50% thanks to helicopter Ben's corporate socialsm. You have socialism not capitalism.

As if you'll listen to a word I say.Your economy is broken and it's only one way for you and that way is down.Good job killing people in foreign countries.

USA! USA!

Excuse me while I throw up.

Stop killing people and sort yourselves out. You joke of a country.

Pog Mo Thon
Pog Mo Thon

HAHAHAHA it's funny how desperate the Demofarts are getting. The great one is so inept, he can't even produce a credible looking forgery. And we expect him to run our country???

And all the Dem loyalists have to come back with is accusations of racism and " you are stupid". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Keep on crying you pantywaisted, chickenshit cowards. We all know Obama will lose the next elections. What a bunch of bottom feeding sheep.

And one last think.

FUCK OBAMA.

Now go bark at the moon you dumb cant cunts

Jjatkinson30
Jjatkinson30

Analysis of the birth certificate downloaded from White House website, shows the document is faked using web layering technique used by developers. This explains the analysis; http://youtu.be/pdKIhvFLAYQ

Yoshi
Yoshi

Funny that Obama loyalists continue to scream racism at anyone who dare question his bizarre policies or questionable documents. Please specify which race.

Misterdithers
Misterdithers

Two bottom signature dates were written by the same person, and so were the signatures.Photoshop is a great product.

noodles66
noodles66

...why do people always think it's a 'race' issue..? maybe some of us just don't like the person... I think Obama has been less then lack luster... 2 years and still looking for work... I don't care where he was born at this point, just fix the economy, stop pandering to the unions and do your job to the best of YOUR abilities... not that of those that pay you to agree... it looks to me that a 3rd party's time has come.

Don
Don

The 10% in the poll that don't care....get the fuck out of the country. The 42% that think it's real are dumb as rocks. The 5% that don't know are just the honest portion of the 42% that think it's real. The 43% that think it's forged, which it is, pat yourselves on the back, because your right. I love how anytime you question your government, even though they are proven wrong on a regular basis, they label you a kook or nut job. I can't wait for the day all the people that thought the nut jobs are way out there realize that, they are the ones way out there.

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

I think you were done in the last post but thats ok If your so upset by people questioning things then maybe you should move to a country were it's against the law to talk bad about the leader of the country.  I'm a vet as well spent 6 years in the military 5 in the navy and 1 in the army national guard spent time in Bosnia and also in Iraq What we both were fighting for is our rights, freedom isn't free we both should know this it's one of the best things about this country everyone is entitled to their opinion if this stuff really does upset you so much try not reading these posts maybe not even going to these kind of sites I enjoy a good debate and I like to try to look at both sides of an argument I know I don't always do a great job at it but I love to learn and investigate to me it's fun I get a kick out of it!  I am voting for some one else not sure who yet unfortunatly there are not to many good choices for me on any side republican democrat or even the obscure parties that might via for a spot in the presidency.  Bottom line is I didn't like Obamas time in office some of what was done was quite questionable nothing to do with race I wasen't a fan of Bush either.  Don't use your vet status (if you were telling the truth) as a defense your not the only vet in america there are lots of us and quite a few who are on both sides of this it dosen't make one or the other of us wrong, we can question our country and our president it's ok it's part of what has made this country great and hopfully will keep us going strong for years to come!

P.S. The twins thing came from going to the site that you wanted me to go to if its a scam why send me to it??????  Remember you were trying to convice me to see your point of veiw!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Now I know the pictures didn't go through sorry but I'm sure that if you would like a copy of this via e-mail if your even curious please give me your email address and I will be happy to send you this whole document. Eric I especially expect a self proclaimed expert on this subject like you to be at least curious enough to want to check it out!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Just so you know Eric the hunt for Osama has been going on since before Obama and it's the US military that should get the kudos for bagging that son of a b*tch not a president who just kept the policy going do you really think he did anything I was in the military the president dosen't pop his head into anything unless it will get him face time with the press and get him some votes. So if you beleive the president had anything to do with this your as stupid as your making your self out to be with some real anger managment issuse as well!

Eric
Eric

Newsmax?

CNS?

Christ almighty, what is wrong with you.

Enough is enough.

The world's most wanted terrorist is dead, victim of American justice, doled out by the best military operatives (and a dog) in the world.

You brainless reaction is to quote the clueless dolt King, Newsmax and CNS?

I'm asting my time even answering this,and it won't happen again. .

Eric
Eric

newbie,

I thought your post before your last post was gonna be your last post, but that must hbeen your 2nd to last post.

Anyway.............

Now down to business.

Put down the moonshine, turn off michael savage, and pay attention, because I'm only going to go over this one time.

You and your birther ilk are being led by the nose by an internet cottage industry that's using you as a human shield in order to further their own political, monetary, and economic agendas.

And they're laughing at you.

By the way, your beef should be with them for making a fool of you..

But let's get on with it.

The strategy is simple........since you can't prove a negative, simply keep demanding that the certificate copy isn't real. Prove it isn't a fake.

Again, it's the strategy of forcing the other person to prove a negative. That simply can't be done.

Rubes like you, predisposed to hate this President for your own reasons, immediately react to anything that delegitimizes him and his Presidency

Stay focused, we're allmost done.

Here we go.

There is a total of one (1) original. It's never moved, it's in the State of Hawaii, in Honolulu.

The PICTURE that you are being dumbed down to think is the original is a COPY, printed onto SECURITY PAPER and distributed, probably many copies ran at once.

Stay strong, hone in and bore down, here's the killshot to your conspiracy hopes........

Scanning and PDF'ing created the layers.

At this point, don't wait, google OCR.

Now's when you say......."Never mind, my bad".

By the way, thank you very much to "FedupCitizen" on another ww thread for putting this so simply and succinctly.

Now, this begs the next "prove a negative" bullshit dodge, which is "Why's you do it that way?", but at this point rational people stand down and simply realize there's no "there" there.

Take your pick

We're done here.

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Demand to see Bin Laden's death photo, and scream the op' was a fake, carried out by military minions of this illigitimate President 'till the photo's come out.

Of course, then you can whine that there are layers in the photos.

We're done here.

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

check this out I have debunked one of my own concerns the date he was born and the date the bc was signed is normal not on every bc but quite a few see I'm not afraid to say I was wrong but there are still alot of valid concerns on the above post!

Eric
Eric

I'm kind of thinking ya'll lost yer "credibility" with the "colored women" gaff.

Better git back to this week's episode of Hee-Haw.

Eric
Eric

You have a couple good points.

But you screwed up your credibility by diving into the birther trough.

And......................

It's fascism, not socialism.

Two pieces of homework will earn you a second audience.

First look up fascism.

Learn the ideology, doctrine, definition, and application as related to how we're suffering under it now, in this country.

Now, research how this birther scam has gotten traction, paying particular attention to its' origins and the klucks it's dog whistling to..

Report back for your grade.

Georgie
Georgie

One last think...

The GOP: Live by the moron, die by the moron.

Trump-Palin 2012!

Fartoost
Fartoost

Two years and still looking for work? Talk about lackluster...

BirtherHeaven
BirtherHeaven

No one thinks you're a kook or a nut job. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation for your belief. You're a racist and you can't stand the fact that the most powerful man in the world is not lily-white. You see, racists have been able to function in society for centuries, probably because of all of the self-congratulating and back-patting that they do. (Incidentally, self-congratulation and back-patting was the favorite activity after hoisting a burning cross). I mean, George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were pretty darn successfull, and weren't labeled kooks or nut jobs. And the granddaddy of them all, Hitler, was successful for a vast number of years until his fellow racists turned on him. And only then they did that because they thought he went a little too far (well, and they were getting their asses handed to them at war). See, even the racist Trump knows not to go too far, which is why he's changed the argument now to Obama's academic records and affirmative action, the flag-bearing issue of frustrated racists everywhere.

So, no one thinks you're a kook or a nut job. But it's interesting that all of this birther racist outrage happens in the relative anonymity of the web or surveys. What we'd really like to see is a big rally. You know, in the light of day. You can call it a "proud to be a birthright american rally" or some other patriotic stuff. We'd just like to put a cause with a face. Don't worry, no one will think you're a kook or a nut job. Really.

Eric
Eric

I know I'll regret this but here goes..................

New Dad, please google wikipedia Obama Birth Certificate Snopes.

It was last updated 14May11.

Enough already. 

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

obviously eric you are not going to look up or investigate this I'm not saying you shouldn't make your own decision I was sent this by a friend in my email and posted it here but knowing the way you and someof the other people on the site are I looked it up on multiple sites but before I start posting every site that I looked at because that would take awile I would like you to give me some of the sites that YOU trust so I could be informed properly give me some links and I will check it out and maybe I could make a better informed decision. Also for you some home work look into what presidents did before they worried about votes this is about immagration and our economy as a whole look up on your favorite sites and search engines about "Operation Wetback" yes it is a real government operation it might impress upon you that it's not just the bc and these terrorists i'm concerned about it's the presidency as a whole not even just Obama but almost all of our recent presidents!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Your "kill shot" went kind of limp when you neglected to talk about what I wrote which shows to me that instead of reading the post you just assume every one is as stupid as you and only has a one track mind I wasn't even talking about the layer or the OCR which I know all about if you had read any of my posts you would know that I'm a computer nerd I love computers and anything to do with them and I am also going to college for a degree in it. I am very familliar with adobe and the ocr I use it in almost every class this semester and have used them both extensivly before I went to college.

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

btw it's been proven it is a fake by quite a few reputable people, so I guess the ball would be in your court to prove the other way around and it should be pretty easy in the government they call it a paper trail oh btm did I mention I used to work for the government I know an official document when I see one. For your info the "you can't prove a negitive" would fall in my court not yours and it's already been proven time and again but unfortunatly no one wants to beleive it they just shove their head in the sand!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Thank you so much for attempting to give me some facts problem with this is I wasen't talking about the layers of the bc on adobe but just so you know if you want correct info on the ocr try going to the adobe site and you will find that the ocr is used only when you change a document. I was actually talking about the stuff on the bc that you could see with the naked eye maybe you should look at those thing as well usually with official documents people don't write all over it not to mention my other arguments about the bc. But I really do thank you for at least atempting to give me actual facts instead of just insult although there was plenty of that as well seems you like to jump to conclusions about people you don't even know I at least am trying to learn about this before I make a snap decision about the president!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Would you rather I used a derogatory comment instead so I could fit your bill of racist??? I happen to live in Oregon far from the south but do have family in the south although your comment doesn't bother me because of that but because you just became a hipocrite all your talk about racism and you are prejudiced against people from the south apparently!! Try again and this time try not to make fun of someone and just give me some facts I've been investigating this since it came out and all you can tell me is I lost my credibility I'm not a birther or anti-birther I'm just looking at the cold hard facts so if you can't defend yourself properly don't bother answering.

ZombieBankDeathSquad
ZombieBankDeathSquad

I don't care where the puppets from but look at the different resolution on the numbers..

That's fake.

Maybe you need to take an evening course on adobe photoshop

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6zmM...

Go to the Whitehouse

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog...

Look at it. I had no opinion until I looked at it.

It's been manipulated. So I had a quick look on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Born a day later with an earlier number?

That's fake. Also done intentionally I assume to further obfiscate as it's sloppy. If I had faked it you wouldn't have known and they aren't stupid so why did they do it? The birth certificate has been altered. Fact. So for arguments sake let's say altered and not fake. Still not admissible in a court of law. So it's useless. Maybe he has a real one somewhere, just not that one.

Digital image manipulation is your homework.

Yes it is fascism but paying casino banking debt is also socialsim. I like the sound corporate socialism more as it highlights the difference between Big business, Wall St and Main Street.

Do they want people to spend energy on this rather than other issues? Most probably. I have no more time to waste on the puppet. I have my opinion based on my experince of digital photography and not some rash hatred of the man.

Infact it was the puppet that opened my eyes. When he came to office I thought great! Somebody with peace and hope in his heart. And then I watched as he went further than Bush with the killing and the BS.

HOPE?

CHANGE?

LIES more like.

Thaks for the reply Eric. Buy silver (my position is long silver)

Class dismissed.

ZombieBankDeathSquad.com

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

Thank you very much Eric I went to both sites although I've already been to Wikipedia  I checked again they both make great arguments that he is a natural born citizen I do know however that Wikipedia isn't always the best place to go to get accurate info, and I know that Snopes is known for being good at what they do.  Yes I've also checked this site as well, like I said before I'm just trying to gather the info and make my own decision I can't stand people who have done absolutely no research and claim to know all about the subject.  If you have kept up on my posts I've even made corrections to my own claims I have never been afraid to admit I was wrong.  The only two problems I still see with the naked eye are now also visible on Wikipedia if you look at Obama's bc and then at the two bc's for the twins that it shows were born one day after Obama in the same hospital, There are two problems one is the fact that the bc's that the twins have are embossed like every birth cert since before the 30s and the second is the fact that apparently there was more than one registrar at that time I was under the impression there was only the one but the names are completely different first of all on Obama's it's one name on the twins it is a full name including middle initial none of those names remotely resembles Obama's registrar name please look this up as well explain if you can.

p.s. Thanks for the lack of name calling and slander!

New_dad_92904
New_dad_92904

to Eric's last comment like I told you your not worth my time I'm not a republican I voted for Obama! Yes I've checked out the birthers sites and the anti-birthers sites including the whitehouse.gov site which is were I got the info I put up on my previous statement. If you notice I didn't talk much about the layers I talked about stuff you can see with your naked eyes no "crazy Photoshop" seeing as you guys don't seem to know how to use it. But here is the problem instead of proving me wrong or even giving me one explanation to one of the things there you just attack me verbally. So this is going to be the last time I say anything to you unless you can explain any of these things away I invite you too PLEASE enlighten me it's very disturbing to have a president in office who shouldn't be there. I'm open to any hard evidence you can give me you see unlike you guys I like to learn! Btw I hate fox news as a matter of fact I'd rather do my own investigating. and use a little intelligence instead of waiting for someone to tell me what to think. this message goes to anyone else out there that can't come up with evidence there is no sence even talking to me besides my child of 5 years old has a better imagination when it comes to come-backs I'm either a racist or a hillbilly sorry but again sounds a little prejudiced

Letkemann47
Letkemann47

Easy, Cletus,

Nothing you've spouted, spat, blathered, or drooled is more than opinion.

Strong on bullshit, but opinion nonetheless. No actual diagnosis by you or any other birther. (Got the "r" in it this time.) Just bullshit from drudge, freeper sites, etc.

You're a sap to think otherwise.

But you knew that .

You're no more qualified to break down a document than any other birther.

You slimy, racist reptiles are long on the sizzle with your "inspection", but there's simply no "there" there.

All sizzle, no steak.

The document's real, Bin Laden's dead, trump's a racist, and you're reptillian republican party's hitting the deck hard in'12.

The President's black.

Get over it.

Get on with it.

No, I'm not "prejudiced" against southerners, but ave a problem with fox news fed goobers from anywhere.

A goober's a goober, no matter where they're from.

Eric
Eric

Nope.

Lost your argument with the websites that were opinion,not data, as well as with the failure to adress fascism.

Silver?

Good luck with that.

I can't believe I fell for your drivel and looked 3 of them up.

Jheeeeeeesh!

Hale bop comet? extra terrestrial visitors at your place last night? Deep, deep space listening tonight?

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