Immigration: 89% of workers at Wildcat Dairy not authorized to work in United States

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There's no shortage of irony in news about a large immigration-related bust at Morgan County's Wildcat Dairy A whopping 89 percent of staffers there were not authorized to work in the U.S. -- but only the employees have been charged with a crime, while the business owner is being credited with aiding law enforcement.

According to the Morgan County Sheriff's Office, a "routine inspection" of the dairy, located at 24268 Morgan County Road 21, by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security turned up twenty workers suspected of using forged social security and alien-registration cards to get a job. All twenty have now been indicted on charges that include criminal impersonation.

Today, DHS agents, joined by members of the sheriff's office and the Fort Morgan Police Department, began making arrests. At this point, eleven people have been busted on outstanding warrants, with a twelfth earning a set of handcuffs due to an auto theft warrant out of California.

Here's the list of eleven primary arrestees:

1. Fausto Palma, (dob 01/30/1990) Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at 431 Euclid, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

2. Patrida Javier Lievanos, (dob 08/28/1972) Brush Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

3. Fidel Zavala-Ramirez, (dob 03/23/1960) Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

4. Ramon Gutierrez, (dob 10/17/1979) Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation, possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

5. Martin Gutierrez, (dob 08/03/1967) Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

6. Dulio Vallecillo, (dob 04/12/1987), Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

7. Aguirre Guillermo, (dob 09/03/1983), Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at 118 Pine Log Lane Village, Criminal impersonation, Possession of Forged instruments. No Bond.

8. Freddy Rodriguez, (dob 06/14/1982), Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at 431 Euclid Street, Criminal Impersonation, Possession of Forged Instruments. No Bond.

9. Ramon Hernandez, (dob 08/08/1990), Fort Morgan, Colorado, Arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation. No Bond.

10. Edmundo Faudoa, (dob 11/10/1974), Fort Morgan, Colorado, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation. No Bond.

11. Omar Gonzalez, (dob 01/15/1976), Log Lane Village, arrested at Wildcat Dairy, Criminal Impersonation. No Bond.

As for the business in question, the MCSO press release notes that "the management of Wildcat Dairy cooperated with the arrest operations"...

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Cathy Brouwer Ipema

Big Fella - your last comment was ignorant!  I know the family who owns this dairy.  I have known them for more than 40 years before they were "forced" out of California by the government bureaucracy that is making this state broke. 

I do not own a dairy, never have, but I have dozens of friends who used to make an honest living, support their families and generously give back to their community here in California - this family in CO included. I know many farmers who are still trying to make it in California but are thinking about moving because it is just too much of a headache and too costly to keep up with the state's ever-changing laws and regulations.  I lived in Colorado for seven years and knew a few farmers there as well.  The farmers I know in several states, that moved from California, know the law.  They follow the law to the best of their ability if they want to stay in business.  Most have been burned by California so they got fed up and left.  That is one reason why this once thriving state is in such a mess; they are driving out businesses in an effort to appease the loud-mouth opinionated idiots who don't take the time to think through the repercussions of the laws they push for.  Most of them have never even taken the time to research the businesses they want more regulations on. 

I do not have a problem with animal rights and I fully support legal immigration.  I know dozens of people including my parents, siblings, my friends' parents, and many friends - all very productive members of society - who have immigrated legally over the past 50+ years.  The laws and regulations work if enforced appropriately.  Too many people are trying to make money by not working their own business, but using their loud mouths and limited legal knowledge and trying to regulate everyone else's!  The individuals who continue to break the law laugh all the way to the bank.  They know the system better than most law-abiding citizens and get false documentation, have cock-fighting "farms" in plain view, abuse people and animals and steal from "the system" (not work the system, but actually steal the hard-earned money from the law-abiding working citizens around them). 

These friends who own Wildcat followed all the laws and got the documentation necessary, because they knew that dishonesty and lawbreaking is never a good idea when your livelihood depends on it.  They are not in the business of government investigation, they do not have the resources to run a background check on all their employees (apparently neither does the department of motor vehicles because I know plenty of illegal immigrants personally who have driver's licenses and they are not all from down south).  So how can you make a blanket statement like "fine the hell out of the business owners"!!!   Think about what they are losing already because their employees have been dishonest and the government can't enforce the laws they put in place, and now they do not have the man-power necessary to keep their cows healthy and happy! 

I don't care how many people who have college degrees are working at McDonalds - I do not see people who are out of work lining up at these farmer's doors asking for the opportunity to feed, milk, and clean up the literal crap that is dished out on a daily basis.  Some days I think I would rather deal with that kind of crap than the political agenda crap I deal with at my job. 

My job pretty much depends on illegal aliens, and their children.  This is not what I intended when I went back to school to change careers due to the tough economic times, but it is the reality.  Going into this field of work (I had a business degree) I did not plan on the reality that if there were no illegal immigrants, I would not have a job.  I worked through an internship program that was set up specifically because there was a need in our state in the highest poverty areas.  Fortunately I was paid for my three years as an intern, but some said it was not nearly enough for what I was doing, but it was a 10-month contract with a paycheck so I was not going to complain.  I am a teacher.  I have a Bachelor' degree in business and a master's degree.  I have taken classes and earned more than 100 units while beginning a whole new career as a teacher in the last four years.  I am struggling to make ends meet for my family while I hear my students who are not legal residents brag about the latest flat-screen and the newest cell phone they got with their mom's monthly check.  It certainly seems to pay for some people to break the laws!

"Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS" comment about a friend not wanting to work along side of an illegal alien who is making the same wage, how about the capitalistic way?  "Wages are received by those who provide a service to the enterprise, also known as workers, but do not have an ownership stake in it, and are therefore compensated irrespective of whether the enterprise makes a profit or a loss.(Wikepedia)"  The workers get paid whether or not the owner makes a profit!  If the illegal next to him is getting more done, working harder,  why does the citizen deserve to get more pay?  Don't expect the business owner who is trying to run a business (not a charity) to give more pay for less work.  I do not think your friends are being entirely honest when they tell you that is why they don't want to work in a messy, stinky, noisy, sweaty, back-breaking job.  The reality is they are not "hungry" enough, or driven enough to do whatever it takes to make a living!

Don't let CO make the same mistakes CA is making!  I love CO and I thought it had smarter people!  Don't let it go bankrupt like CA!

Gregory Weir
Gregory Weir

Let me get this straight; we have illegal aliens who falsified their identity to get jobs, yet some of them aren’t getting arrested and/or deported?  What’s wrong with this picture?  Look people, this isn’t rocket-science and we need to put a stop to this catch-and-release program for any illegal aliens caught here.  I support Colorado, Alabama, Georgia, Arizona, and any other state that is taking the initiatives to eliminate the incentives for hordes of freeloading and criminal illegal aliens to come here.  Whether the incentives are jobs, entitlements, or citizenship for babies born to illegal aliens to secure entitlements, they ALL need to be eliminated.  The E-Verify system is a step in the right direction and while technology isn’t completely fool-proof, it’s exponentially better than anything else out there and it has a high-90’s percentile affectivity.  It’s the racist, open border, illegal alien advocates, such as National Council of La Raza (the RACE), SEIU, American Friends Service Committee, ACLU, El Grupo, Border Angels, and biased journalists who continually find reasons to complain and to push their agenda; that being opening our border so more freeloading and criminal Mexicans and Latin Americans can just waltz in here unabated and for us to look the other way and not enforce our laws or protect our national identity and sovereignty.  The bottom line is we need to eliminate all the incentives for illegal aliens to sneak in here and whatever states do to make this happen great, and I couldn’t care less what the excuse or what those sympathetic to illegal immigrants have to say.  Enough is enough, and I’m thoroughly disgusted and fed up with the onslaught of illegal aliens who are invading this country.

NOamnestyEVER
NOamnestyEVER

http://mexicanoccupation.blogs... OBAMA’S CRIMINAL BANKSTERS STILL HAVE THEIR JOBS. NOT ONE WENT TO PRISON. IN FACT, THEY’RE MAKING MASSIVE PROFITS OFF THE VERY FORECLOSURES THEY CAUSED. JOBS IN ALL STATES GO TO ILLEGALS FIRST, AND THEN THE LEGALS GET THE TAX BILLS TO PAY FOR THE MEXICAN WELFARE STATE IN OUR BORDERS. LOS ANGELES COUNTY ALONE PUTS OUT $600 MILLION PER YEAR IN WELFARE TO ILLEGALS!VIVA LA RAZA? * http://mexicanoccupation.blogs...* “PUNISH OUR ENEMIES”… does that mean assault the legals of Arizona that must fend off the Mexican invasion, occupation, growing criminal and welfare state, as well as Mex Drug cartels??? OBAMA TELLS ILLEGALS “PUNISH OUR ENEMIES”Friends of ALIPAC,

Each day new reports come in from across the nation that our movement is surging and more incumbents, mostly Democrats, are about to fall on Election Day. Obama's approval ratings are falling to new lows as he makes highly inappropriate statements to Spanish language audiences asking illegal alien supporters to help him "punish our enemies."  *http://mexicanoccupation.blogs...*http://mexicanoccupation.blogs... 

Brian
Brian

They should be arrested as terrorists and hung in the public square. That would keep them from coming here

Immigrant
Immigrant

I hope one day Inmigration can take all immigrants to their country. I will love to see how USA will survive... You don't realize that inmigrants provide to your table the Turkey, ham, vegetables, milk that you eat every single day. Americans don't like to work hard neither to be dirty that is why somebody else has to do this type of job. I invite all to see a dairy for one hour and inform yourself how hard is this job. I am immigrant and work 8 years in a dairy. All this time never ever saw an American person milking a cow. One day I hire an amercian to work a night shift and he never show up because he fall asleep. So, please don't post comments if you don't know how is your country been support by immigrants.

Lefty
Lefty

Mexican law says you have to have work papers and you cannot take a position that would keep a Mexican national from employment. END OF STORY! Send'em packing!

Grew up in Morgan County
Grew up in Morgan County

Seriously? I have to say I think this article is horrible.  First you lead with an amazing statistic of 89%.  Wow, if this company employed more then 50 people that would be amazing, but they don't so its pure sensationalism. Second, the article is clearly trying to call out the business owner as some sort of bad guy.  The real discussion should be if all the people of Colorado are ready to pay $5 a gallon for milk so that their precious belief that they are better then someone willing to go through hell to get here just to work for what is probably less then $8/hr (if you shop at whole foods already, no need to respond as I already know how high your nose is in the air).

mrfxx
mrfxx

For you folks defending the poor farmers who MUST hire illegals, I say "baloney"! The fact is that while once the majority of illegals worked in agriculture, today, more 90% are employed in what used to be decent paying blue collar jobs (somewhere between 20-25% are in CONSTRUCTION) - and the cost of labor in food is in the vicinity of 5-6% of the retail price. Most of us would be happy to pay an extra nickel or dime per dollar to make sure that LEGAL workers (citizens or not) have the jobs. The argument that illegal workers keep the cost of food down is almost as specious as suggesting that they keep the cost of HOUSING down! What they do keep down is taxes (for the employer - who often is withholding NEITHER the employee NOR the employer portion of payroll taxes). As far as the fact that these workers pay taxes on purchases - so bloody what. If they are paying income and payroll taxes it is on somebody else's ID - and it takes an act of God for those folks to "clear their names" when the IRS comes after them for tax evasion - but I'm sure you'd be happy to publish YOUR SSNs for an illegal to use. Finally - I fed up with the bs argument that only liberals are "on the side" of illegals - REAGAN passed the last amnesty, and George W Bush (along with McCain as part of a bipartisan coalition) attempted to pass another one. Most of us "worker bees" - right, left or center - are fed up with businesses using illegal workers (and with constant offshoring) to maximize profits while whining about how we workers are the root cause of all this - instead of admitting that THEIR GREED is the root cause!

CSU Ram
CSU Ram

So many people commenting on something they know nothing about. This raid was the result of an audit by Homeland Security on this place of business. The audit was possible because the owner uses E-Verify, the U.S. Governments program to catch immigrants using illegal documents. The owner is doing EXACTLY what our government instructed him/her to do to curb identity theft AND catch these criminals. Now you can all go climb back under the rock you crawled out from.

Guest
Guest

Employers of illegal immigrants know they are employing illegals. If the usa wants to curb this then the employers need to be prosecuted because they are the real problem. The federal government has a system in place that any employer can use to verify whether or not someone can legally work in the usa. Failing to prosecute employers of illegals shows employers there are no adverse consequences for employing illegal immigrants, only benefits of increased revenue as a result of cheap, black market tax free labor.

Matt
Matt

Does nobody else bother to question how exactly a gallon of milk at King Soopers costs half as much as a gallon of unleaded at the gas station in their parking lot? It's hard to turn a profit AND qualify for any "best places to work" list in the Dairy biz. The fact is that the vast majority of our commercially-available foods have to be produced at the lowest possible cost just to remain competitive in this era of cheap foods. Technological advancements can make certain improvements in food production, but nothing's cheaper than good old fashioned dirt-cheap human labor.

bigriggs
bigriggs

Deport them all today and move to the next business that does this. Oh and fine the hell out of the business owners along the way.

TIRED of illegal aliens
TIRED of illegal aliens

"These friends who own Wildcat followed all the laws and got the documentation necessary, because they knew that dishonesty and lawbreaking is never a good idea when your livelihood depends on it."First off, the owner of Wildcat Dairy should have seen a red flag when several of his employees used social security numbers belonging to American citizens.  E-Verify is free and more than 99% effective.  The owner of Wildcat Dairy and his fellow colleagues are well-aware of this fact but chose to hire these poor ILLEGAL ALIENS because they are such hard-working souls.  BS!  You and I both know it.  Further, lawbreaking is immoral and not acceptable at any time; whether your "livelihood depends on it" or not.

Your comment of "their employees have been dishonest" hits the nail on the head.  Yes, these ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE DISHONEST; however, it appears that you are pro ILLEGAL ALIEN and anti-American.

"My job pretty much depends on illegal aliens, and their children."  And you are a teacher?  And you have a Master's?  And you made this statement?  Please, do not relocate to Colorado; we do not need teachers with this belief.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Thanks for the strong post, Gregory. We're going to make it an upcoming Comment of the Day. Congrats.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

These are not immigrants, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS that have stolen the identities of American citizens.  Your racism and ignorance is apparant because of your statement of "Americans don't like to work hard neither to be dirty that is why somebody else has to do this type of job".  Who are you to make a comment like this?  It is similar to me making a comment of "Mexicans are stupid and that is why someone else has to do the mentally challenging jobs in Mexico".I know many Americans that worked in fields, construction, landscape, food services, hospitality, janitorial, etc. but cannot compete now becuase of the destruction of wages in these industries or the fact that many of these employers are racist and will only hire people of a certain race.  An example of wage suppression: finish carpenters in TX billed $.35 per linear foot 10 years ago and now bill $.25 per linear foot as a result of ILLEGAL ALIEN employment.Please save your racist, anti-American comments for another publication.

JUST ME
JUST ME

Boy you are DUM the Mexican Law, It looks like you did not went to school. END OF STORY. you are the one that needs to get pay $8 dollars an hour.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

Most employers that hire ILLEGAL ALIENS report that they pay all employees the same wages.  How can you honestly make the argument that Coloradoans will pay $5.00 per gallon if ILLEGAL ALIENS are not a source of employees?  Your belief that ILLEGAL ALIENS keep the cost of goods and services is dumb-founded.  Educate yourself and make educated comments so we do not waste one another's time.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

CSU Ram:Will you please post a link to the article that states this employer was using E-Verify?  I have read many articles on this one topic and have failed to see that this employer was using E-Verify.Thank you.

Guest
Guest

Good that the business owner was using e-verify and of course he shouldn't be prosecuted if he was doing his best to follow the law but most of the discussion is still relevant to the usa immigration problem that exists. A border wall does not work and the usa needs to think immigration reform. 20 people with fraudulent documents good enough to fool an employer sounds unlikely...but possible.

At20rule
At20rule

Our company was informed by our attorney that we have not been officially trained by the government on identifying forged documents & assume all documents are legit OR open ourselves up for lawsuits & even if an employee proclaim publicly they are illegal we then have 2b extra careful during the firing process & better b4 a damb good reason other than being an illegal immigrant. So the employer is between a rock & a hard spot lol & that is why the court of law does not go after the employer.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Another intriguing take, Crandle. Thanks for posting.

farmer
farmer

let me just say that yes there is a system in place to check workers and does get used by a lot of employers, As far as your comment about increased revenues as a result of cheap, black market tax free labor, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. And its the ignorance of people like you that continue to fuel a false fire. Dont forget that the food and milk you enjoy come from hard work from real people. It didnt just appear on the shelf. Also maybe if there were more Americans not afraid to get dirty and do hard work this immigration issue wouldnt be an issue.

Beavis
Beavis

How about leaving the workers alone and deporting the business owner? That sounds more appropriate...

Buisness owner
Buisness owner

Do you know who puts the dairy products on your table?  Hard working immigrants doing jobs that ignorant people like you refuse to do because you’re too “good” for them. 

Gregory Weir
Gregory Weir

Thanks Michael, I'm honored.  Living in So CA, I deal with illegal immigration every day of my life.  I've been posting on this topic on other sites, and a sympathetic censor at Newsvine (MSNBC) took offense to posts of this sort.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

Funny you use the word "DUM", when, in fact, the correct spelling is dumb.  Mexican law does state you have to have work papers and you cannot take a position that would keep a Mexican national from employment. END OF STORY! Send'em packing!

Grew up in Morgan County
Grew up in Morgan County

The two masters and two bachelors degrees I hold should suffice to say this is an educated comment, but let me move beyond a simple retort to your ill witted comment and try to give you one that is actually well informed.

Having grown up in a farming community and worked on farms starting at the age of 13, I have first hand knowledge that there are several flaws in your comments and many on this board.  It really is simple, right now all farms (including dairy farms) operate on very low margins.  Be honest with yourselves, when is the last time you saw a farmer driving a new Ferrari or Bentley?  Therefore these operations cannot afford to pay an inflated salary without increasing the sale price of goods produced (IE what you pay for milk).  Simple supply and demand theory will tell you that at a fixed price (the low salary farmers can afford to pay) there is a fixed supply (the number of "Americans" willing to do the work for that wage).  Without the addition of extra supply (the immigrant workers willing to take this wage) the only way the farms can meet their demand is to increase the wages they are offering to increase the supply.  Increased wages do equal increased costs to the consumer, but don't trust this business owner as you can ask any business owner to confirm this very basic concept.

Moreover, I would ask any non-racist and impartial person (sorry Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS)  reading these posts to ask themselves what they really fear about someone taking jobs that you yourselves would not do.  Competition is what this country and our economy are based on, so why now are we so afraid of it.  Anyone truly willing to do this work for the wages offered, showing up on time and sober on a daily basis, post your contact information here and I will guarantee you will find employers.  

Last, keep in mind that every person in the USA (yes, except for native americans) was an immigrant at some point in their lineage.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

crandle:You state "A border wall does not work and the usa needs to think immigration reform"???  Do you seriously mean "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty"?  Do you really feel we Americans should turn a blind eye to these ILLEGAL ALIENS that have been stealing left and right from us Americans?  Our deficit in the USA is larger than ever.  Our dollar is worth nothing.  Our quality of life has deteriorated.  Urban sprawl is out of control.  Our classroom sizes have almost doubled in the past 20 years.  Crime is up.  All of this is a direct result of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.Poor people have been waiting in line to immigrate to the USA legally for years.  Poor people that immigrated to the USA in the past are being slapped in the face with your quest for amnesty.Please realize, attrition thru enforcement (a border wall) works.  Please, stop trying to sell your anti-American "immigration reform" amnesty.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

At20rule:The state of Colorado is an "at will" state.  In other words, an employer doesn't have to hire, or promote, the most qualified applicant.  An employee may be terminated for any reason in an at will state.  An employer can terminate an employee for providing false documents without fear of being prosecuted.  Furthermore, the "court of law does not go after the employer" because of our current administration.E-Verify is more than 99% accurate.  Use it and you will protect yourself from any government sanctions as a result of hiring an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

farmer:Your racism is evident as a result of your comment of "maybe if there were more Americans not afraid to get dirty and do hard work this immigration issue wouldnt be an issue. ".  I know many Americans that are not afraid of dirt or physical labor; however, they do not want to work next to an ILLEGAL ALIEN for the same wages.  Charity begins at home, not abroad.ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION would not be an issue if more people like me existed.  Unfortunately too many anti-Americans exist and fuel the false fire...

Guest
Guest

Farmer, please forgive my lack of knowledge on the process of employing illegal immigrants. Perhaps you can explain the process to me since you are a "farmer" that took issue with my comments and seem to be more experienced in the process of employing illegals. Please explain why it is ok for farmers to break the laws others must abide by?

Guest
Guest

I don't agree with the usa's immigration policy but if you employ illegal immigrants you are breaking the law. Tax evasion comes in many forms...why do farmers get a free pass? Are you trying to say farmers and construction companies that employ illegals don't benefit financially? I don't believe that one bit.

At20rule
At20rule

Our company was informed by our attorney that we have not been officially trained by the government on identifying forged documents & assume all documents are legit OR open ourselves up for lawsuits & even if an employee proclaim publicly they are illegal we then have 2b extra careful during the firing process & better b4 a damb good reason other than being an illegal immigrant. So the employer is between a rock & a hard spot lol & that is why the court of law does not go after the employer. 

bigriggs
bigriggs

Really, that's the best you can do?

Shwnmrph
Shwnmrph

your the ignorant one im a us citizen who cant get a job on a dairy after being born and raised on colridge dairy because of the illegals.not only that i work harder and speak english. get out of are country so we can get back too work.

Brian
Brian

Not in Wisconsin they dont. Get your facts straight

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

Business Owner:I want to be just like you.  Thank you for your post, it was so worthwhile....

bigriggs
bigriggs

Wow, you really put me in my place. That is such a worn out tired excuse. The libs need a new rally cry. With so many legal Americans out of work and desperate for a job, I have seen people that hold an MBA working at Burger King, a carpet cleaning business owned by a good freind of mine employs a former electircal enigineer and my former neighbor when I was in college, once a small business owner now works at a gas station making about 15% what he used to. That's three examples of legal Americans doing whatever it takes to get by. I'm sure there are millions of people in this country that could cite you as many examples as I have. Go away and come back when you have a valid argument.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Very interesting, Grew Up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Grew up in Morgan County
Grew up in Morgan County

Obviously the ability fully grasp this concept is lost here, but the real travesty is your claim to want to "educate my fellow Americans".  Supply demand theory is completely relevant here, and to anyone reading please ask someone that you trust to have an understanding of what it means and not just take the word of misguided posts on this forum.

Further, if you truly believe "most businesses are working on very low margins" then you must not have a very good clue as to what happens in the world around you.  Exon reports profits in the 30% range every quarter.  Any reseller working with a company like Staples will tell you that they expect a 40% markup on every sale.  But beyond those numbers, just open your eyes and realize that  the number of multi million dollar homes and new Bentleys/Maserati's/Ferrari's that you can see on a daily basis in Denver is more then what are Owned by the Broncos and Nuggets.  Yes, businesses are making profits these days. Again, don't take my word for it, just look around and ask yourself what you see.  If you really want to make an informed judgement, go tour a dairy.  I know there are several a short drive from Denver that are happy to arrange tours.

Most importantly though, is everyone on here really believes Illegal immigration is one of the biggest problems facing our country today, then we are worse off then any of you believe.  If you are afraid of someone taking your $8/hr job, then please put in the time to get an education and one of the many available jobs out there that pay 3 times that amount.  As Americans you have the availability of education that no illegal alien can compete with, but you have to take the initiative to capitalize on the opportunities that are available to you.

Tired of Illegals
Tired of Illegals

Two master's?  You are educated.  Me, I am an uneducated, ignorant, partial, racist, hateful person.I would love to sit down with you over a glass of your favorite pinot to discuss this topic but am too busy trying to educate my fellow Americans which you are obviously not.Please realize, most businesses are working on "very low margins".  Many municipalities are having a difficult time making good on their obligations, ie, near bankruptcy.Your supply/demand theory is not applicable to this scenario because, as stated in a prior post, "Most employers that hire ILLEGAL ALIENS report that they pay all employees the same wages.".  The owner of Wildcat Dairy has been quoted as saying he pays all employees the same rate and therefor the supply/demand theory is not applicable.Please also realize, ILLEGAL ALIENS are not of any particular race and I am not fond of any ILLEGA L ALIEN.I am not an Native American nor am I an immigrant as you attempt to point out.  I was born in America, therefore, I am a native; not an immigrant.Ignorance is bliss but education is much better.

Dnance5
Dnance5

if you use the system to check all your employees and they come back fine then what makes you think they would be illegal

Guest
Guest

Yes I own a business but I have never hired an illegal immigrant. If you find that your business benefits from hiring "illegal" immigrants perhaps you should advocate for immigration reform (which I support) so you can hire immigrants legally.

Annoyed by ignorance
Annoyed by ignorance

Do you own a business?  Do you use the e file system to make sure that all your employees are using the proper indentification?  Colorado is a state that does not require these measures yet.  These business owners including the farmers are using the proper paper work for their employees.  Do you know this?  I do. 

Guest
Guest

Annoyed by ignorance:  lol...i know illegal immigrants are employed by a variety of industries.  My response was to "farmer" who was defending a farmer that employed illegal workers.  The question remains...why is it ok for some employers (farmers, contractors, retail stores, food services) to break laws by employing illegal immigrants?

Annoyed by ignorance
Annoyed by ignorance

What makes you think that the only place that illeagal immigrants work at is on farms.  I know for a fact that there are some right here in our lovely town that work at walmart, McDonalds, and other small businesses. 

Tired of Illegals
Tired of Illegals

Annoyed by ignorance: The tax evasion comes in the form of tax evasion on the ILLEGAL ALIEN'S part (he/she can file their I9 claiming 9 dependents and never file taxes at the end of the year resulting in a lower tax bracket, resulting in tax evasion) or tax evasion on the employer's part (the employer is able to claim payroll on their corporate taxes resulting in tax evasion).  Ignorance is bliss but education is much better.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

At20rule:The state of Colorado is an "at will" state.  In other words, an employer doesn't have to hire, or promote, the most qualified applicant.  An employee may be terminated for any reason in an at will state.  An employer can terminate an employee for providing false documents without fear of being prosecuted.  Furthermore, the "court of law does not go after the employer" because of our current administration.E-Verify is more than 99% accurate.  Use it and you will protect yourself from any government sanctions as a result of hiring an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

At20rule
At20rule

If an employer is presented the correct documents for employment wheather we feel they may b fake or not, we open ourselves up 2 get our assses sued!!! know the law b4 u blame the employer. Unless the employer hires them without seeing a SS card etc. etc. then we r not liable 

Annoyed by ignorance
Annoyed by ignorance

See once again you are not informed.  These people are drawing paychecks, paying taxes under the given names that their companies have and that they have just like you and I.  The companies are also paying taxes.....so where does the tax evasion come into play.  Ignorance is bliss.  Do you really think these million dollar companies are paying 100 employees under the table.  You seriously need to quit reading what the media puts out there for you and actually make an infomed intelligent reply to this matter.  What you are suggesting is just totally rediculous.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

At20rule:The state of Colorado is an "at will" state.  In other words, an employer doesn't have to hire, or promote, the most qualified applicant.  An employee may be terminated for any reason in an at will state.  An employer can terminate an employee for providing false documents without fear of being prosecuted.  Furthermore, the "court of law does not go after the employer" because of our current administration.E-Verify is more than 99% accurate.  Use it and you will protect yourself from any government sanctions as a result of hiring an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tired of ILLEGAL ALIENS

Your racist comment of "American people  dont work at a dairy because they are lazy people" are similar to me stating "Mexicans are stupid and can't do the jobs that Americans do".  Give us readers something better than that please....

bigriggs
bigriggs

Did you not read my reply? I am talking about 3 people I can think of off the top of my head that would do those jobs in a heartbeat.

I'm sure they are hard working fine people but they are also here illegaly, probably with a fake SSN# or fake papers draining virtually every city, town or municipality of resources that should be spent on legal Americans. I don't give a rats ass where a person comes from. If you do it the right, legal way then that's great. More power to you, kudos even. Three of my best friends have done just that, leaving India, Mali and El Salvador behind and they agree with me 100% on this.

just me
just me

you Know what fea why them American people  dont work at a dairy because they are lazy people. You should work a day in a dairy an you will see how hard it is and you know what dont drink milk Big fea because it comes from good working people.

Bellesura1
Bellesura1

i hope they deport you so you can loss your family dum ass

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Strong take, big fella. Thanks for adding to the debate.

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