Marijuana: Great Legalization Debate II will be about unity, not bickering, says organizer

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Laura Kriho.
In June, the first Great Legalization Debate, which was intended to seek common ground on the issue of legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana, deteriorated into a snipe-fest, with Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act proponent Mason Tvert pitted against most of the other participants. So how will the second debate, slated for tomorrow night at Casselman's, avoid similar disaster? Says Legalize2012.com's Laura Kriho: "Mason won't be there."

According to Kriho, also known for her work with the Cannabis Therapy Institute, "It was against my better judgment that we invited Mason to begin with. It was supposed to be a debate with people who were willing to work together -- and because he wasn't willing, it turned into what it did.

"My goal was to get everybody in the state to work together, but Mason has taken his toys to play in his sandbox by himself -- and that's why it was counterproductive. So now we're back to the original idea: working together to create legislation."

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Mason Tvert.
For the record, Tvert says he and his associates solicited the opinions of all marijuana activists before settling on language for the initiative, and they want to build a strong and positive relationship within the cannabis community. Case in point: Tvert decided not to pursue charges against Miguel Lopez, who allegedly snatched a petition away from a Regulate volunteer at a recent event. Lopez, a veteran marijuana activist, is a vocal critic of the Act team's approach.

As for those on the dais tomorrow, Crazy for Justice's Corey Donahue won't be featured this time around. But plenty of other well-known figures from the marijuana movement are scheduled, including Greenfaith Ministry's Reverend Brandon Baker, Colorado Coalition for Patients and Caregivers' Robert Chase, Patient and Caregiver Rights Litigation Project's Kathleen Chippi, Cannabis Alliance for Regulation and Education's Rico Colibri, attorneys Rob Corry and Danyel Joffe, Vitamin Cannabis producer Kyle "Cap'n Cannabis" Marsh, and Timothy Tipton of the Rocky Mountain Caregivers Cooperative.

Kriho, meanwhile, will serve as moderator -- a role played last time around by Westword editor Patricia Calhoun. She hopes to create an atmosphere conducive to give and take, not body blows. The previous debate "was my one chance to speak my mind," she says. "I won't be able to participate in this one, but it's good that we're getting new people into the mix. We want to get some new ideas out there so we can come up with language for the 2012 ballot that people can all agree on."

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Not everyone, of course. Kriho believes the marijuana-legalization movement has split "into two camps that I'd liken to Republicans and Democrats. Mason's camp says, 'Let's control it. Let's hand the keys over to the Department of Revenue and continue with seed-to-sale tracking and surveillance.' It's what we call the law-enforcement model. And we favor more liberalization. We're fighting for cannabis freedom. We want all crimes related to cannabis to be abolished."

The latest Casselman's debate won't be the last. Kriho expects more conversations to take place before language is finalized, probably around the first of the year. In the meantime, she admits that "Colorado might not be ready for legalization. It certainly doesn't seem like it." But she believes that if a true legalization movement fails, "we'll have an organization on the ground that's ready for the next battle."

Page down to get all of the details about tomorrow's event, courtesy of Legalize2012.com.


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Rev. B Baker
Rev. B Baker

SEE keith stroup and rush bevile's comments here http://stash.norml.org/colorad...and herehttp://www.celebstoner.com/201...THEY ATTACKED US FIRST AND STARTED ALL THIS ....so although i do admire norml supporters admiration for their national, i am appalled by the way you all can turn your eye to such ugliness and decietful division by a group that is suppose to support all our pro cannabis views. Remember Norml you did it to your self!

Rev. B Baker
Rev. B Baker

well let me let ya all in on a secret all the local people on all three initiatives, the two already past the board and the one in the works, all have agreed to work together and help eachother yet the national orgs spokesmen mainly keith stroup and rush bevile always trash the locals and prevent the unity!i got mason and brian to say they will fully support us if we support them, yet all the national and local minions want no part of unity all they want to do is divide and spread ego. Operation divide colorado like california successfully completed by national campaigns! Prohibition and big bro win again til we beat their asses in court! Bless the Almighty for people like kathleen and our lawsuit http://www.cannabislawsuits.co...

Grant B.
Grant B.

No bickering in a debate? What kind of debate would it be without bickering? Isn't debate a form of argument? Why are people put off by people arguing different positions. Is this part of the Great Pussification of America?

Rev. B Baker
Rev. B Baker

we are done bickering this panel was simply Q & A to find the common ground through elimination rather than arguing

Guest
Guest

It is ironic that CTI kicked out everyone this round who opposed them in the last debate . . .  . Mason and Paul Danish . . .

Rev. B Baker
Rev. B Baker

and actually CTI kicked her self out and moderated, good fact checking my guest!

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

You are flat out wrong -- I was on stage touting the Danish Plan as a basis for discussion (Laura does not oppose it) and (much to her dismay, I'm sure) I reiterated my support for Initiative #30 should no better alternative make the ballot.  Colorado's independent voters may go for the principle of "no punishment", but not for that of turning MMCs into purveyors of cannabis to the general public.  We need to unite behind better language, garner financial support and volunteers, and duplicate the work being done on behalf of Initiative #30 in order to offer a better choice to the electorate, and there is no reason it cannot happen next year.  Two cannabis initiatives would not be competitive, and unless they contradict each other, might both be enacted.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

I was not invited to debate so kind of throws a wrench in your theory.

Brenda
Brenda

WOW...???? ALL this debate/discussion & for whatEVER reason, it is a "personal attack" on Mr.Donahue that you REPLY to?....hmmm, what's YOUR AGENDA, Scott?

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Your comments here are a record by which you are judged.  You don't like Corey and you try to come up with ways to discredit him.  By presuming to speak for the sponsor of the event (CTI) though, you show your true colors.  Delivering this message to you is getting to be tiresome:  Scott, you don't know what you are talking about, so why are you talking?  The decision not to invite Corey to Round II was made long before the warrant was issued.

Scott Greene
Scott Greene

Wrong again... You're a Wanted man Donahue that's the main reason you weren't invited!

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

I'm sorry that you are having such trouble understanding what has been reported -- it is not the prerogative of government officials not to comply with our open records law, and it is also not their prerogative to perjuriously claim that a stack of waste paper is a collection of official records either.

Raleigh Sakers
Raleigh Sakers

You mean seen for the type of stand-up government official that doesn't let someone else steal $60 from other taxpayers?

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

Robert - Are you looking for work? We can pay you...

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Your reaction to the arrest warrant is repellent -- let the morons who dare to press these charges step forth so that they and their charges can be seen for what they are!

Have the courage to stand behind your slavish opinions.

Guest
Guest

Maybe it has something to do with your arrest warrant?

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

<3 it <3 it <3 it

This is great! Keep up the good work tearing each other down... You will make our work SO much easier...

Rev. B Baker
Rev. B Baker

see some one else gets the national operation of divide the state

Monkey
Monkey

If legalization fails you will never be able to repeal the constitution, It will essentially prove that colorado voters want MMJ and not full legalization. Failed recreational use only means colorado wants to keep it the way its been for 11 years, medical. 

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

Monkey: Why the heck you would think "You will never be able to repeal the Constitution(Amendment 20)"? Perhaps you have not heard of the initiative to repeal the Constitutional Amendment 63 (defines marriage as between a man and a woman)? Its happening in 2012.

People are going to be jumping over themselves to vote Amendment 20 out. All that is needed is a 50%+1 vote in favor. And then its Buh Bye potheads!!!

Again, a big shout-out to all the folks in the MMJ community who are helping bring this about. THANK YOU!!!

Jillian
Jillian

40,000 people have been brutally murdered in Mexico in the last five years because of the policy that YOU support. What sort of person does that make you?

Jillian
Jillian

If we really want to end the ineffective and deadly prohibition then we need non-smokers to demand change - there's simply not enough of us to end the federal marijuana prohibition by ourselves. Non-smokers will NEVER demand changes that could harm their families. We will never get a majority of Americans to agree to allow 10 yr-olds the right to grow and possess marijuana. Marijuana cannot be controlled like tomatoes for the simple reason that marijuana gets you high - and nobody wants their 10 yr-olds getting high.

Controlling marijuana like beer, wine and tobacco makes sense to non-smokers. It continues to give them a way to keep marijuana away from their young children and at the same time it drives drug dealers off the street and away from their teenagers.

We need legal adult marijuana sales in supermarkets, gas stations and pharmacies for exactly the same reason that we need legal alcohol and tobacco sales - to keep drug-dealing criminals out of our neighborhoods and away from our children. Marijuana businesses should be regulated just like any other business, and home marijuana production should be just as legal as making home brew.

Soros Watchdog
Soros Watchdog

Another lie by the MPP/SAFER campaign, "Tvert says he and his associates solicited the opinions of all marijuana activists before settling on language for the initiative." BS - The initiative was filed without anyone in the state seeing and having time to comment on the final version. One activist even met with them the day they filed the initiative, and they said nothing about it.

Even the state government gives 30 days to comment on proposed new laws -- no such transparency from MPP or SAFER or Sensible or NORMAL or the Soros-funded Drug Policy Alliance. Why should we trust their laws which were written in secret? MPP was the author of Am. 20, and look how well that turned out. We now have a whole new branch of CRIMINAL law enforcement dedicated to marijuana. Levels of harassment of mj smokers is at an all time high. MPP wrote a bad law with Am. 20, and their new proposed law is just as bad, handing the whole program over to law enforcement to administer.

Legalization means fewer cops, not more. I guess that's why Steve Fox of MPP didn't want to call their initiative "legalization", because it is so far from that, letting in more laws, more penalties and more cops. Legalize it already!

Guest
Guest

I bet you hate Soros because he paid for Amendment 20! Are you saying you wish we never passed a medial marijuana law? What a prohibitionist!

Highmesa
Highmesa

Obama administration says Cannabis is medicine !http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201...Well,,,, i guess that pretty much rips the ground out from under the feet of those who state "No medicinal value".

Say buh hye
Say buh hye

What? No one else wants to publicly switch sides?

That's fine... From what I see you all will attack yourselves and leave the easy pickin's to us....

THANK YOU! And I want to give another big shout OUT to Laura Khiro! Thanks for making the repeal of Amendment 20 possible. THANK YOU!

Say Buh bye to the wacky weed.... The people of Colorado will cast all of you no good STONERS out in 2013!

2012 is great....2013 you all are gonna hate!

YMMV
YMMV

Good one.

See, what the prohibitionists don't seem to understand is that people were using marijuana before dispensaries in 2009, before Amendment 20 in 2000, and long before that.  And will continue to do so in 2012 and beyond.  Nothing is going to change. 

Marijuana will be grown, harvested and sold in Colorado no matter what the voters decide in 2012.  Some cities and towns have decided they would like to be pure and not allow dispensaries.  Good for them.  I'm sure they don't need any tax revenue.

Marijuana is already illegal federally.  And the consumption of it in Colorado will not change one bit.  Say buh bye, go ahead and bury your head in the sand and believe that you can eliminate marijuana in Colorado.  Make all the laws you want.  It doesn't really matter.

Guest
Guest

I agree, people will always use it. What passes in 2012 only effects the 20K people each year who are arrested in Colorado for marijuana use. But who cares about them anyways?

High Country Caregiver
High Country Caregiver

The repeal of Amendment 20 happened already with CO HB 1284.  This is old news.

High Country Caregiver
High Country Caregiver

Perfect example of legalization in action is Sean McCallister's false advertised legalization in Breckenridge, Colorado.  Yea he got the low crime of possession of less than an ounce and smoking devices off the books, only to leave the harsher offense of smoking in public the lowest offense that someone can plead to.  This form of legalization is total garbage and only gets more people in trouble.  Look no further than Sean McCallisters efforts in Breckenridge and please no exactly what not to do.  If it's going to be legal, make it as legal as apples, anything less will only be talking out of both ends!

Time to smoke some unregulated dope sin card, camera, dor, dispensary, and clowns.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Hey -- I canvassed for 2F!  You seem to be under the misimpression that McAllister is responsible for the criminalization of cannabis in Breckenridge.  Rescinding the ordinance against possession of cannabis in Breckenridge is an advance, a minor battle won in the War against Americans.

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

We promise to get Amendment 20 repealed after your legalization efforts in 2012 fail.

Thank you for doing all the ground work for us. Specifically a big shout-out to Laura Khiro!!! THANK YOU!

Signed,We are Taking MMJ Away

Monkey
Monkey

"We promise to get Amendment 20 repealed"Good luck with that, narcissists often think they have power but in reality have very little, no one pays attention to you except you, but thanks for the chuckle. I'd love to hear all about the other constitutional rights you and your "we" group have tried to repeal..........should be entertaining, 

High Country Caregiver
High Country Caregiver

Reason alone to take mmj away is all of the dispensary bullshit that makes it into the Junior Highs and High Schools.  It's easier to take edibles into school than to smoke a joint and get busted and I guarantee you every high school pot head seeks out the edible manufacture companies so boasted about.

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

Nice to have you on-board High Country Caregiver... Always nice to see potheads selling out other potheads. I'm sure we will find many more of you as we come out...

This is going to easier than fishing.

Say Bye--Bye to your pot smoking days.... they are numbered.

Monkey
Monkey

"Say Bye--Bye to your pot smoking days.... they are numbered". Hate to burst your bubble but I've been smoking for 25 years, your opinions have never had any affect on my actions and never will. Don't be scared of a plant, there are much worse things in life to be scared of and much better uses of your time.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Don't say that!  For all its deficiencies, Article XVIII, Section 14 of our Constitution affords people who have a medical need for cannabis the right to use it.  Say rather that we are going to attack the General Assembly's scheme to deny access to medicine and drive its cost even higher.

It is true that medical cannabis has distracted us from pursuing re-legalization, but consider that our reverses on medical cannabis reflect the difficulties of the road ahead.  We can hardly turn our backs on patients.  We must take stock of the political debacle which is MMJ in Colorado today -- an untenable and elaborate system is loved by no one other than those making money off it, not perceived to be medical by the medical establishment, or by the public, and really just an affectation of the rich.  I'm reminded of a scene I witnessed in a local dispensary:  a patron, being ushered into the patients' waiting area by a security guard languidly complained/boasted about having had to pay a $4,000 bar tab the night before -- his problem does not relate to average people's concerns.  It has been noted that minority communities aren't very interested in MMJ -- because most members can't possibly afford the medicine!

charlie
charlie

WOW another narrow minded prohibitionist... 

Say buh bye
Say buh bye

Nope... We are a GROUP of people who are going to use the failure of your fractured group to get rid of the scourge of 'medical' marijuana...

Again. THANK YOU for all your work.

You potheads can kiss this 'MMJ' farce goodbye in 2013!!!

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

Well guest you have your degree in rhetoric. Please explain how you saying that you are going to work to take away this constitutional right is any different from you working to take away any other constitutional right? 

Guest
Guest

Wow, Corey. You sure know how to throw out the red herrings and straw men. What crap.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

So you are proposing taking away a constitutional right?  That is the biggest slave mentality I have ever born witness to, thank you.  Do you not like women voting either?  Or do you want to reinstate the poll tax.  I know lets get those scary guns out of peoples hands. You want to take away peoples constitutional rights because you disagree with them?  Good luck I would love to see what happens to a group that actively tries to take away another constitutional right.

High Country Caregiver
High Country Caregiver

I am a pot head, and I must agree with you that medical marijuana must go! 

How do I fit in?

Medical marijuana is the biggest road block to cannabis legalization in Colorado.  Nothing has been so greatly debated in Colorado with such horrible results as the medical marijuana mash up of laws in the past two years.

Down with the dispensaries, down with the CDPHE, down with the pot clowns mentioned in this article (Every fucking one of them) and let's give cannabis a chance!

A REAL Advocate
A REAL Advocate

Why bother to debate a bunch of initiatives that won't make it to the ballot? None of these "whacktavists" have the financial or human support to make something tangible happen.

This is the worst type of "whacktavism", merely showboating for a few "constituents" while wasting their precious resources on grandstanding. For all of the chiding they've done of Mason, he has something that will likely be in front of voters next fall.

Above all, these are "friends" who all have competing views. But to have Kriho admit defeat to Chase? Or Chippi admit defeat to Tipton? None of these characters have shown a willingness to budge.

For people who deride the government for it's ability to reason, they surely have set up their own example of counter-productivity. If there's a compromise that's reached, it's likely over the time and place of their next futile debate.

If anything, it shows you why so little progress has been achieved. Let the in-fighting begin!

Krystal Hatch
Krystal Hatch

Wow, REAL Advocate/SAFER supporter, thanks for the invitation to your debate and your open forum discussion of these ideas. Will you be broadcasting your forum live on the internet? No? Oh, you're not having a forum. Ohhhh, you're not DOing anything besides whining? I see -- another pretend activist "I care, that's it." Well, we're glad you care, but maybe you could step up and actually DO something next time besides complain. These SAFER/MPP supporters only just want to fight, not ever to really work with anyone.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

"These SAFER/MPP supporters only just want to fight, not ever to really work with anyone" -- didn't actually read this before "Like"ing it, did you Scott?

Doublestandards
Doublestandards

Whose whining here? Obviously not CTI - did you see the last debate? Kriho attacked Mason before the debate even started . . .  talk about whining . . .

Viper Mad
Viper Mad

If there is a political comparison to be made, the most appropriate is to the Tea Party -- loudmouth wackos who do everything in their power to hijack the process even though they damn well know their tactics (not goals, tactics) are too extreme to create any progress whatsoever with mainstream acceptance.

These bozos with bullhorns have accomplished nothing positive and have repeatedly hurt the CO MMJ movement with their political disruptions and incredibly poor public presentation. Why the hell would ANYONE sane want to join up with these asshats?

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