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Occupy Denver: Denver Anarchist Black Cross thousands in debt after ending financial support

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Corey Donahue.
On Friday, the Denver Anarchist Black Cross, a collective that defends the rights of those involved in mass political and social movements, announced its intention to firmly remove itself from the arena of Occupy Denver. By the time of its decision, the twelve-person group had drawn together more than $15,000 used for bailing prisoners out and other means of support, and it remains more than $8,000 in debt as a result of its participation.

The decision is accompanied by a lengthy and reasoned explanation of the motivations behind it, which have developed as time progresses. At the end of the explanation, the group also broke down its financial contributions to the local movement, which you can read at the end of this post.

"As of December 4th, our collective has decided to no longer support Occupy Denver," the statement reads. "This means we will not be providing our legal line for Occupy actions; fundraising for the movement; encouraging our members, friends and allies to get involved; as well as serve roles such as CopWatch and Medics.... We want to be clear that our decision is not based on a generalized, absolute rejection of everyone involved in Occupy Denver."

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Kelsey Whipple
Occupy Denver protesters march through the streets of dowtown during a regular rally.
Instead, the group's vote to pull out is largely informed by internal struggles within the movement, including what its official statement refers to as a frame for "economically privileged, hyper-nationalist white heterosexual males." The DABC continues to support Liberate Denver, an offshoot movement dedicated to providing a safer space for those interested in the movement who've developed concerns about internal divisions based on class, gender, race and other social factors. Ideologically, they can no longer support the Occupy movement's local chapter.

In the occupation's first two and a half months, at least one representative of the DABC was present at every single arraignment for an arrest related to Occupy Denver, and it was the DABC's phone number that was scribbled in Sharpie on the arms and legs of protesters as a last-ditch security measure before altercations with the police. The DABC provided the overwhelming majority of bail money for all protesters arrested before yesterday (a large sum of which bailed out our current cover subject, Corey Donahue). The decision to end this role means the group's internal legal committee is now independently responsible for all further legal actions in the future.

Recent arrestees include Amelia Nicol and Benjamin Dolon, who at last report are still in custody after being arrested during Occupy Denver's attempt to shut down Loveland's Walmart distribution center yesterday. (Both have also been arrested during previous occupation-related events.)

"Over the past few months, Denver ABC has devoted a tremendous amount of resources and energy into Occupy Denver," the statement continues. "Our collective has staffed a 24/7 legal line, coordinated the bailing out of almost one hundred demonstrators arrested over the last two months, and onsite CopWatch and Street Medics. We've made an earnest and largely successful effort to get supporters into the courtrooms for nearly every hearing and court appearance featuring our arrested comrades."

The group has also come under considerable fire as a target for political division inside the movement, particularly during rallies. Two Saturdays ago, one DABC member was falsely called out as a CIA agent when she spoke using the public mike at a rally in front of the Federal Reserve. In the meantime, the group notes, "There is a lot about the Occupy movement that we find inspiring."

Below is the DABC's breakdown of its total legal support for Occupy Denver:

Funds received: $16,531

Funds used:
* Bonds -- $14,210
* Jail Phone Fund -- $1,660
* Food/supplies for released arrestees, legal line-- $237
* Commissary for long-term arrestees -- $315
* Total -- $16,512

Remainder: +$19

Debt:
* Canceled bonds (Failure to appears, etc) -- $8,100
* Loans -- $460
* Total -- $8,560

Read the remainder of the DABC's decision on the group's website.

More from our Occupy Denver archive: "With Occupy Denver protester Corey Donahue, nothing is ever easy."



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Jtcolfax
Jtcolfax

Resolved: We shall not involve the FBI in petty Occupy Denver squabbles, Anymore.

Who could imagine it would come to this.

Nathan
Nathan

If only this much time and energy had actually been poured into Occupy Denver... The encampment is once again facing eviction and rather than working on that issue we're busy eating ourselves with baseless accusations of snitchery and who's the most privileged from a culture many of us are trying to change.  I'm tired of it, it is not equality and it is not honest, what it is is a subverted way of garnering control, to "enhance" ones voice in the conversation. 

But here's the thing: white, black, male or female, as long as you are heterosexual you have all the rights and privileges of anyone else in this country.  The fact that anyone is willing to jump up and down for equality, and then tell a gay person to shut up is vulgar.  I can still be fired for who I am in many states, be denied the ability to adopt a child and in all but a few states and federally be denied the rights of marriage.  Those are all rights and privileges you enjoy, again, no matter your race, gender/sex, age, creed, religion, etc... so long as your heterosexual.  And then you want to come to me and tell me I don't know what equality is. 

But you know what... I never came to Occupy for the purpose of advancing my "gay agenda."  I came because I knew that there were worse things going on; adults and children who were homeless and/or going hungry, people being laid off so corporations could pay larger dividends to the 1%, a corrupt congress and presidency, more power taken from the people and given to corporations...  These are still things I wish we'd spend more time discussing but instead we continue to waste our time trying to fish out the imagined plants and informants and fighting over who's higher up on the hierarchy of oppression.  For the latter, I can no longer entertain it.  There is a lot of work to be done to take back our country and move it forward again, and eating ourselves will not get that work done.

Rob
Rob

OK, I have a few thoughts on this matter. First, how is it possible for someone to be denied a voice in a democratic movement that recognizes EVERYONE'S right to speak? I have been at Occupy pretty much daily since September 27th, as can be seen by my posts here. I have NEVER seen anyone-male, female, transgendered, mentally ill, young, old, regardless of color denied the right to speak.

What seems to be the problem-at least from my perspective-is that some members have confused the right to speak with a right to consensus. Tolerance and agreement are two different concepts. If one has lousy ideas, and submits them to a free marketplace in which direct democracy rules, they're likely to be rejected. That's not oppression, it's democracy. Everyone has a right to be heard. The collective decides who has a right to have their ideas adopted as a policy or a platform for the group. No one has a right to impose their ideology on the group simply because of their gender or race. That's oppressive and undemocratic no matter who does it.

And, as to the alleged 'oppression' on the day of the march, the author's version is this-quoted directly from the article:

'A collective member spoke up during an open mic time to challenge the assumption of a unified “99%” by bringing attention to the marginalization of reproductive rights taking place at the same time open racism was being accepted in the crowd. The response of We Are Change was to instigate a chant that drowned out the only woman to speak at the open mic and insinuate she was a CIA agent.'

Yep, this happened. It was completely unacceptable, which is why one of the Events Committee members immediately jumped on the megaphone and denounced the conduct. He made it clear that we, as a collective, do NOT tolerate the suppression of free speech. He was uniformly cheered and the offending individual-who does not participate in Occupy Denver events on a regular basis save the Saturday marches and rallies-appeared to be sufficiently chastised.

Just to make sure he got the message, this Saturday we skipped our customary stop at the Federal Reserve on 16th Street. The members of the group that includes this gentleman made a pretty big deal about skipping it. As we walked by, I told them 'I guess you shouldn't shout people down, and maybe in the future we'll stop here'. Just to be clear, I wasn't speaking as a 'leader', but as a concerned member of the collective who does not tolerate the stifling of speech. At that point, I know he got the message. I'll bet that subgroup either disappears, or that members modify their behavior to be more tolerant in the future.

In short, this is the same nonsense that some DABC folks pull every time there's a disagreement. They try to shame white men with their gender and race, and then want to talk about 'oppression'. It's hypocritical and it's an argument only someone advocating a flawed, anachronistic ideology would make.

Those who advocate for effective tactics and powerful ideas need not use such manipulative, Machiavellian scheming to be heard. They don't need gender or racial shaming to get their point across. They can calmly speak their truth, and others will eventually hear them. I'm not sorry to see the sexist, racist folks involved go-and I hope they stay gone, for the movement's sake.

Carol
Carol

its pretty easy to cripple non-corporate coffers like DABC, just hire a "protestor" to punch a cop, or maybe commit a less felonious crime actually...

then have him disappear from the state and voila!!! DABC is broke. 

Joseph
Joseph

Sounds like ABC needs a bounty hunter.

Frank
Frank

It's truly amazing that a small handful of Occupy Denver protesters have successfully worked to marginalize anarchists trying to get involved at the local encampment.  It's especially unwise considering many anarchists are often the first to push for infrastructure that would allow for further longevity.  Occupy Denver committees were happy to focus on electing a dog as their leader while anarchists shouldered the real responsibilities of legal support (which encompasses SO MUCH), keeping protesters fed and watered, and acting as medics.

Pamela
Pamela

I would like to see Occupy Denver provide a breakdown of the money they've received and used. Also, I think it would only be right for them to hand over some bond money to DABC for OCCUPY's protesters!

Justsayin
Justsayin

 I told them 'I guess you shouldn't shout people down, and maybe in the future we'll stop here'. Just to be clear, I wasn't speaking as a 'leader',   so... you weren't speaking as leader yet your reply implies that you made the decision. but, you aren't the leader, just making decisions as if you were. sounds like an inferiority complex to me. just sayin

Guest
Guest

you seem like one of those guys that really likes to hear himself talk.

Pamela
Pamela

What a surprise that a white man doesn't understand the oppressiveness of the white men down there. No big twist in the plot there. I love that oppression has quotes around it in your world, as if it's not real. Oh, and this gem, "They can calmly speak their truth, and others will eventually hear them." No, I'll shout about it and you'll here me now.

And really, do I even have to point out what's wrong here?---"I have NEVER seen anyone...denied the right to speak." Skip down to "Yep, this happened."

Wolflazer
Wolflazer

One quick thing Rob, and then I'm off to do some real life.

"Those who advocate for effective tactics and powerful ideas need not use such manipulative, Machiavellian scheming to be heard. They don't need gender or racial shaming to get their point across. They can calmly speak their truth, and others will eventually hear them. I'm notsorry to see the sexist, racist folks involved go-and I hope they stay gone, for the movement's sake."

It is sexist to call out men taking up too much space? Actually, sexism denotes a power structure. There is a gendered hierarchy in place in western culture and society. That hierarchy is called patriarchy. Men at OD take up too much space. Corey is included in that perpetuation of patriarchy in my opinion, but at least he will work on it when called out. You, on the other hand, cry sexism. Cry me a river, Rob.

Racism. This is another power structure. There has been a dominant racial hierarchy for over 500 years. That racial hierarchy is called white supremacy. It has a lengthy legacy of genocide right here in Denver, Colorado! When white folks REFUSE to address their unearned privileges as white people, called white privilege, that is replicating white supremacy and downright embracing it. Those people may not wear swastikas or zieg hiel, but they benefit from the system of racial domination called white supremacy. Calling those kinds of assholes out is a personal mission of mine as someone who benefits from white privilege as well. It is my responsibility to actively challenge and dismantle it. Its yours too, but you'd rather boo-hoo about how racist I am for reminding you and Nathan (as well as others) that you benefit from both patriarchy and white supremacy. 

I'm such a horrible sexist and racist. 

Cry me a goddamn river, Rob.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Appreciate you sharing this info, Rob. Much appreciated.

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

What's funny is that first you say you've never seen anyone denied a chance to speak.. then you acknowledge it happened at that OD demo to a member of ABC.... then you also accuse Corey of doing the same thing...

Also, maybe I'm wrong here, but didn't the St. Paul's Principles pass 3 times, separately, through the General Assembly... yet who has ignored them? You're one of those folks who has ignored this decision, Rob, because it doesn't fit YOUR personal agenda.

DABC never represented all anarchists at Occupy Denver, Rob. But anarchists have been involved since the beginning. What you seem to fail to even address is that DABC was involved in Occupy Denver even before you were. And facilitated the first handful of GAs.... and helped create the very foundation for the decision making processes that became the Denver GA.

And also helped uphold various democratic decisions made by the GA. But hey... those decisions conveniently were never posted to the Occupy Denver website or facebook, because the folks controlling that method of communication didn't like them. And the Legal Issues Working Group never bonded anyone out of jail. And never had a working relationship with the NLG or criminal defense attorneys who took on cases. And never has once tried to offer ANY support... financial, social, political, to arrestees....

You talk about Democracy, but have consistently been a part of group that has ignored the democratic processes of a group... and consistently tried to overturn or abolish those same decisions...

But hey.. you win. We left, and now you don't ever have to worry about those scarey anarchists again... except you will. Because anarchists are still there, even if they are not associated with DABC... and DABC is still doing what it's done for years... for far before you quit your police job, Rob... and we'll keep on doing it.

Rob
Rob

It's truly amazing that a handful of anarchists, marginalized and ostracized from most of society due to their defective ideology and tactics, thought that they would wander into a social movement and take over for their own gain.

Rob
Rob

I'd like to see the same accounting from DABC.  Bond sheets, and the like.  A rough accounting scrawled on an email/press statement does not equate to accountability.  Also, tell Corey to bond himself out next time if you're concerned about DABC's lack of resources, Pamela.  How much have we spent on him alone? 

Rob
Rob

So racism and sexism is terrible, except when they're used to do things we support?  You're free to believe what you like, of course, and to 'challenge patriarchy and racism', as you are also free to define those however you'd like.  I just don't find the argument at all compelling, and as far as 'taking up too much space' within a democratic organization, I'd like someone to define what that even means.  What it sounds like is misandry, and I reject that just as quickly as I'd reject misogyny.  I've seen these same vague, 'feelings-based' terms used every time folks with defective ideologies that are impossible to support with logic or reason are challenged by anyone-but ESPECIALLY when they're challenged by males.  Go look up the definition of 'equality'.  It's the state of being equal.  No animal, as Orwell said, should be more equal than others.  I'm not sobbing over the shitty arguments you all use to support whatever you learned last week in Women's Studies class, nor do I dismiss your anger at actual oppression where it exists.  What I disagree with is your attempt to shame white men on the basis of race and gender, because I'm opposed to racism and sexism.  If you're comfortable with using them to stifle dissent, then press the fuck on-just expect resistance from thinking people along the way. 

Rob
Rob

"What's funny is that first you say you've never seen anyone denied a chance to speak.. then you acknowledge it happened at that OD demo to a member of ABC.... then you also accuse Corey of doing the same thing..."

The young  lady who we are change shouted AT had completed her comments and had given the megaphone back when she was shouted at.  She did, in fact, speak.  The RETRIBUTION for her speech was something we considered unacceptable, and it was dealt with.  Semantics.  Same hold true for Corey.  When he decides to show his ass and scream obscenities while others are speaking, I've seen him 'mic checked' until the speak er has a chance to complete their thoughts.  Still, they're given a chance to speak.

"Also, maybe I'm wrong here, but didn't the St. Paul's Principles pass 3 times, separately, through the General Assembly... yet who has ignored them? You're one of those folks who has ignored this decision, Rob, because it doesn't fit YOUR personal agenda."

Ah, I see.  So the fact that DABC and its affiliates blew up their networks every time a vote on those defective principles-adherence to which resulted in Federal prison terms for activists in St. Paul, Minnesota, during the 2008 RNC-that was democratic in your opinion?  The fact that folks who otherwise show no interest in the day-to-day affairs of the movement should be able to wander in at your direction and derail the democratic process?  Gimme a break.  If the tent activists were so concerned about OD, perhaps they might want to sober up, and start attending GA's on a regular basis. 

I hold, as do many other, that I am endowed as a human being with certain unalienable rights, and that among them are the right to free expression.  I'll be damned if I'm going to give up the few civil liberties my government actually chooses to allow me to satisfy a group of 'security culture' obsessed crust punks.  Sorry.  I came to this movement for more freedom, not less-and fuck the dictatorship of the proletariat.

"DABC never represented all anarchists at Occupy Denver, Rob."

Look, we found something to agree on. 

But anarchists have been involved since the beginning. What you seem to fail to even address is that DABC was involved in Occupy Denver even before you were.

That's undoubtedly true.  I began participating in OD on 9-27-11.  It had already begun, that's a fact.  I wasn't aware that there was a seniority system at OD.  Careful, that sounds an awful lot like hierarchy...

"...and helped create the very foundation for the decision making processes that became the Denver GA."

That's odd-I thought Occupy Together and OWS did that. 

"DABC is still doing what it's done for years... for far before you quit your police job, Rob... and we'll keep on doing it."

That's right, I am a former police officer.  Yep.  I think it's funny that that gets injected into the conversation, because no one at OD would likely know it if I hadn't told them, in the interest of transparency.  If that's supposed to be a slight, let me help you with that.

There are people who are alive RIGHT NOW because I did that job.  People whose lives I personally saved.  I understand that 'the police are the army of the rich' and all, but law enforcement is a legitimate and vital function in our society.  Perhaps you could tell the grandmother that I did rescue breathing for 20 minutes for after administering Albuterol to her that I was just a tool of the rich, and that your special little ideology requires that she die instead of being helped by an oppressor.  Better still, tell her grandkids.  I'm sure they'll correct their ideological deficiencies and thank you for enlightening them.

Maybe you could share with the family of the woman I provided emergency medical care for after she was ejected from her vehicle in a rollover accident that I was working for the rich that day while I held her partially (mostly) avulsed scalp on to keep her from bleeding to death.  Make sure to let her know that I held her hand and comforted her while waiting for Airlife because I wanted to help the oppressor.  Better yet, tell her kids that your delicate sensibilities are offended by the fact that they still have a mom.

You might also share your insight with the young woman whose house I visited in response to her frantic 911 call regarding her husband's attempts to kill her and her child.  You can tell her that the other officer and I who rescued that child did so for the benefit of the weatlhy-and of course to oppress her as a female bodied person.  Make sure to share with her that I spent hours parked in front of her house-most of them off-duty, uncompensated hours-to oppress her, not because she told me she and her son were too terrified to sleep otherwise. 

On the whole, you're right-there's just too much moral ambiguity in law enforcement in America for me to take part in it any more.  That's why, as you point out, I quit.  But don't think for a second that I owe you or any of your ilk an apology for what I've done. 

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

This is another side to you Rob.  Anarchists have been willing to challenge the authorities and commit minor offenses in civil disobedience -- what evidence is there that they attempted to "take over" OD?  The DABC, it seems to me, put some of itself, its belief that society organizes from the ground up, into OD -- they and their fellow-travellers worked to provide for the human needs of participants, and they urged a course of symbolic confrontation of the powers that be -- up to and including the erection of tents in public parks!  I agree that a full accounting should precede any request for compensation, but I think that you can leave Corey at least out of it -- he won't be an FTA.  I just attended his voir dire in the MMED malfeasance matter.

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Again we talk, my dearest troll of trolls,

DABC has been active in this city for years. And has been able to garner a lot of support during that time. That's part of the reason they could fundraise as much money as they did in such a short amount of time.

And they didn't wander into any movement. If memory serves correctly, they actually facilitated the first 5 general assemblies...

CoreyDonahue
CoreyDonahue

DABC has clearly used money for tangibly effective means. What has Occupy Denver used their money for? I know people are on a roadtrip with OD money. That's productive. If you must inject Corey into this conversation, "we" (OD) haven't spent money on bonding him out, DABC has. Anything you want to "tell Corey," tell him yourself; I'm no one's secretary. To reiterate: Audit Occupy Denver, use funds effectively, and have transparency.

Michael
Michael

do you really think that they profited from bailing out nearly ONE HUNDRED arrestees? 

Pamela
Pamela

Wow, you are a horrible person. Go fuck yourself. And, I will tell you that again to your face too.

Guest
Guest

replace week with weak in the above comment. thanks

Guest
Guest

i love watching pigs try to defend their bullshit jobs. you have to enforce bullshit laws. only people who have week minds and soft backbones would put up with that shit. but wait... you somebody's life, that's great, in between enforcing a corrrupt society's ill concieved notion of justice, you saved a life. congratulations. i was a life guard for 15 years and have saved  a lot a people from drowning. i never kept track because it's not an ego boost for me. i would say it's close to fifty or sixty at least(closer to 5 or 6 a year times 15= 75) that was 8 years ago that i stopped doing that line of work. i forgot about all those people i saved until you mentioned what a hero you are. i thought. damn! i saved more fools than this sow and didn't even have to be a tool of the corrupt. i'm such a great guy huh. not really, but i did my job and i did it becuase i believed in it. that's the difference. did you believe in being a cop? if not that's where the week mind and soft backbone come into play. toodles oinker.

Rob
Rob

Wait-first, you state that only those without a backbone would dream of working in law enforcement, then you start throwing around the 'strawman' accusations?  Really?  I don't know you, and I couldn't care less, but I think I can be forgiven for assuming that only a teenager would attempt to make such pedantic, half-baked arguments.  If I'm wrong, more's the pity. 

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

You are a complete fool.

I have kids. Work for a living. Have to pay rent, car insurance, etc... like most "working class" people. You are a fool, man. Nice way to completely strawman your way out of an argument.

Good job, friend.

Rob
Rob

Backbone to quit, eh?  Whatever, sport.  Whenever you climb out of mom's basement and join the rest of the adults in the actual working class world, let me know.  Otherwise, I'm done.

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Rob,

You're just all over the place, buddy.

I'm not claiming a seniority system here. I'm just rightfully pointing out that your claim that anarchists wandered into a movement and tried to take it over are false.

Also, you seem to ignore some previous comments, that also point out that Occupy Wall Street was created by a group that included many anarchists in NYC. Again, does the name David Graeber ring a bell?

But hey... again, pick and choose what points you want to respond to, and then pitch arguments that contradict your previous ones... No worries on that.

As far as the DABC speaker "being finished"... you're the only person who ever has claimed she was finished speaking. All the other witnesses have repeatedly said she was interrupted and shouted down. But I guess a disagreement about facts is actually an argument over "semantics".

The only point that was made about your involvement as a cop (at least by me) was that folks from DABC have been involved in long term community organizing since before you finally got the backbone to quit that job.

Rob
Rob

Robert, I bring Corey up because our group has expended what I consider a ridiculous sum of money on his multiple bonds.  I ask, other than the Westword cover-which worked nicely for COREY-what have we gotten as a return on that substantial investment?  How has it furthered our collective cause of bringing attention to wealth inequality?  Denver knows all about tents.  That's awesome, but raising 'tent awareness' was, as far as I know, never an objective of the occupy movement.  His MMED case is, as you correctly assert, none of my concern.  The multiple charges he's caught acting unilaterally but in the name of OD are my concern, as a member of that group. 

Guest
Guest

"The reason DABC was able to do so much fundraising is that they came to OD General Assemblies and used that group's numbers for fundraising". " I think that 13 crust punks who offend everyone they see were able to harness their extensive network of wealthy philanthropists to collect the funds required.

you can't have it both way shit for brains. it's one or the other. but, you wrote both of these comments. basically, you are fucking delusional.

Guest
Guest

"Outed as one of the people who called the Feds'?  Is there any proof of that at all"

 your an ex pig. you wouldn't have any connections to people in law enforcement huh. say, when did you quit? just around the time this movement got started? no way you could be plant. you are probably collecting a check off the 99% as we speak. don't like people questioning your motives? then move along little piggy

rip judi beri

Rob
Rob

Well you've certainly added quite a bit to the discussion, haven't you?  'Outed as one of the people who called the Feds'?  Is there any proof of that at all, or is this one of a long list of accusations made by certain folks who are loosely affiliated with OD against anyone who disagrees with their particular brand of 'radicalism'? 

What Corey has provided is an assertion that he heard the FBI disclose that I'm a super-secret agent during a phone call with his lawyer.  That's...implausible at best, but let me be clear:  like many others at OD, if I were convinced that anyone would actually come to harm as a result of some shitty juvenile plan concocted without the consent of our group, you bet your ass I'd contact the authorities.  Every time.  I'd rather have Corey pissed at me than have some dead firefighter on my conscience.  Perhaps you disagree.  Tell you what-you do what your conscience dictates, and I'll do the same, k?

I disagree with your categorization of my response to these same tired, poorly supported arguments as a 'shitty baby fit'.  That's how I'd categorize running away to form a splinter group when it becomes clear that you won't be able to completely hijack a social movement to suit your own personal needs.  I'm disagreeing with you.  That's hardly a shitty baby fit, it's called a discussion.  As I've said throughout, you have a right to tolerance-you do not have a right to consensus. 

As far as your opinion of me, do rest assured that it's more than reciprocated. 

Wolflazer
Wolflazer

Rob, I'm a crusty punk neerdowell now? I hate the Dead Kennedys by the way and would never put a patch on my jacket.

I'm a mother of two with another babe on the way this Summer. I'm a 4.0 student. I'm a doula. I work in my community and have for years. 

I've never "led" anyone into actions. I have always promoted self-defense against police violence from the first GAs I went to. I don't equate that with throwing empty water bottles from behind others. But, I don't blame people for losing it when the cops are attacking people wildly in front of them. Many of those people at OD have never seen police violence like that and reacted in less than tactically sound ways, but how can ANYONE blame them? Their rights, and moreover their bodies, were being trampled on. Literally. People lose it in those situations.

You are having a shitty baby fit because you got outed as one of two who called the feds. You called the feds for a fucking stupid rumor that would likely NEVER have happened. 

Corey's grandpappy is right. Once a cop, always a piece of shit. I called that the day I met you. 

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Man... That comment literally made me spray water out of my nose due to laughing so hard!

What crust punks are you talking about? Do you even know any actual DABC members and the work they do or the networks they run in? Because that is truly ridiculous shit.

And no offense, buddy... But have you looked at the crowd of people who have been at GAs? You think they could come up with that money? Funny stuff dude. Funny stuff.

I'll make you a deal... I'll open our "books" up to you the second you actually can get Occupy Denver to do the same to everyone else.

Rob
Rob

No, I think that 13 crust punks who offend everyone they see were able to harness their extensive network of wealthy philanthropists to collect the funds required.  Instead of arguing about it, why not just open your books?

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

You really think that DABC was able to raise over $16,000 from passing the hat at General Assemblies? That's some funny shit, Rob.

Rob
Rob

I find it more than a bit disingenuous that you would classify a demand for true accountability as 'trolling'.  You see, the way that a discussion works is first, one makes an assertion.  Then, one supports that assertion with facts.  A series of hastily written figures scrawled at the bottom of an email does not constitute a factual accounting of funds expended.  I assume there is paperwork associated with each bond.  Where is that?  How about an actual breakdown of how many defendants failed to appear, with a bond amount for each?  How many of the folks that failed to appear had prior failures to appear?  Doesn't DABC have some standards for eligibility for bond support?  If a person has proven through past behavior that they are willing to ignore the Court's order to appear, why in Dog's name would the collective co-sign on a new bond for them and then act shocked when they FTA yet again?

The reason DABC was able to do so much fundraising is that they came to OD General Assemblies and used that group's numbers for fundraising. 

Pamela
Pamela

Yeah, Corey yelled "fuck you" at people when he was being accused of made-up, crazy bullshit that could affect the rest of his life. He yelled "fuck you" because some people have an agenda against him that caused the fucking FBI to contact him. Yes, fuck all of you that dragged his, and two other men's, names through the mud. One of whom says that your whole explanation at the GA that night was lies, Rob. You were also named, along with Sarah Fong, as his accuser by the FBI.

How about from this point on you just keep Corey's name out of your mouth, mind, emails, internet forums, or anywhere else.

Pamela
Pamela

Oops. Clearly, this wasn't Corey writing this. It was me, Pamela.

Rob
Rob

I was at the GA where DABC came to hit everyone up for donations to get you out of jail on the inciting a riot charge, Corey.  I know that a substantial amount of DABC's funds were raised at OD GA's, from OD members.  Claiming that there's some sort of nonexistent separation of funds is disingenuous at best.  I'd be happy to share that with you in person.  I am not intimidated by you in the least, Corey.  I've seen you shout women down at GA's when they disagree with you, and shout 'fuck you and your GA' at all in attendance.  I've seen you attend GA's when it's convenient or when you'd like to push your own 'actions', and then denigrate OD's general assembly process when it's contrary to your own goals. 

I've heard you and the others at the Thunderdome make it clear on many occasions that you are not members of OD, and do not recognize the GA's function or legitimacy.  Yet you seem very willing to use OD's supporters to advance your own agenda, and to accept contributions made by OD's members to get yourself out of jail.  What I'm asking you for is some consistency, and a fragment of regard for those you quite obviously depend on greatly. 

Rob
Rob

Exactly right-you and the gang of so-called 'radicals' never have enough respect for the democratic process to allow us to vote on tactics.  Instead, you and the other self appointed leaders make the decisions in secret, and use the people who show up for rallies and marches as cover.  As I've said before, many times, a diversity of legal tactics might prevent arrests, thus ameliorating the need to bond folks out of jail and further enrich the system you claim to hate so much.  Tell me, will DABC also be paying the defendant's probation supervision fees?  How about the fees for their substance abuse evaluations, their breath and urine testing, and all the other fees and costs associated with probation, or does your involvement end when the defendants are sentenced?  Don't you think you owe it to the impressionable folks you lead into arrest to at least discuss the potential consequences of their actions?  I also notice that the loudest advocates for 'direct action' also somehow never wind up getting arrested, save Corey.  Do you feel even a little hypocritical?

Rob
Rob

ROFL.  Sounds good, slick.  Don't address the other points, though-snitch jacket.  Same old tired shtick from the same old tired source.  If you recall, I DID, in fact, address these issues directly with you at the same GA where you shouted others down and told everyone that you were done with the fucking GA, and that we could all 'go fuck ourselves', right?  And let's pretend for a moment that I am some sort of super-secret confidential informant.  Do you actually think people are stupid enough to believe that the feebs would voluntarily give up a CI?  FOIA doesn't apply to active investigations stud, or to sources, methods or operations-so there's a swing and a miss.  Smoke less weed, Corey-you will start making more sense. 

As an aside, if I were you , I wouldn't toss around the 'fat and worthless' labels too much.  You don't seem to miss many campfire meals yourself stud, and what's your contribution to the world been thus far?  Unpaid student loans and unpermitted camping?  Careful, you'll destroy the whole system!

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

"As far as the NLG goes, what the fuck have they done other than represent criminal defendants?"

I think you answered your own question. They've helped find FREE lawyers for nearly 100 arrestees. That sounds like a lot of work to me.... Maybe I'm just too stupid and crazy to appreciate that, though, Rob.

And the PDs office can only provide attorneys to folks who are considered indigent. Folks with a job who are not homeless typically do not qualify, even if they don't make much money.

So, Rob, again, what is your complaint about the NLG providing FREE lawyers for a bunch of folks from Occupy Denver? Hell, Rob.. if you had gotten arrested, they even would have given you a free lawyer. Those bastards! The nerve of them, right?

And what actions has the GA planned and democratically voted to do? At all? Besides general plans for marches... nothing tactically has been discussed, as far as I know. Please, though... continue to educate me.

The public release of those cop car texts sure did stop the repression, huh? Or got anyone out of jail? Or helped support folks who actually were injured or imprisoned at demonstrations you helped plan? Wow. Congrats. Amazing work. You should definitely pat yourself on the back some more for that one.

Rob
Rob

Lulz.  Most of the exhibits that were used in the hearing were those that Nathan and I recorded, because we took the time to carefully document police abuses so that they could be addressed by the court.  I know it would have been more fun to don a Dead Kennedys jacket and throw water bottles at the cops, but it's through SUBPOENA POWER that we obtained the car-to-car messages that were brought to the attention of the community and the court.  How much of your copwatching would be worthwhile?  If you and your buddies are on camera screaming 'fuck the police', you'll find that the courts have a tendency to doubt the impartiality of your evidence and testimony. 

How many bonds did I offer to co-sign?  Not a single fucking one.  How many of the actions that resulted in arrest were voted on by GA and planned in advance?  Ask your NLG pal on the Working Group why it doesn't function.  It's the same reason the Nonviolence Committee is a shit show-one obstinate misanthrope derailed the entire group.  That, frankly, is why I quit.  As far as the NLG goes, what the fuck have they done other than represent criminal defendants?  As you know, that's a service the public defender offers-and the defender knows enough to petition the court to dismiss if the state is not ready to move forward on a court date, unlike some of your super lawyers.

CoreyDonahue
CoreyDonahue

Like my grandpappy always said "once a cop always a piece of shit," and I think that describes you perfectly Rob Piper.  You had the FBI Domestic Terrorism team come talk to people, you fucking coward, all over something you and Sarah Fong invented yourself you fat worthless fuck how much is law enforcement paying you to go COINTELPRO on a peaceful movement? 

"I'd be happy to share that with you in person.  I am not intimidated by you in the least, Corey."  Yes you are if you weren't you wouldn't have spread lies about people.  Remember you fuck I have lawyers they can do all my legal work for me so it was surprising to hear in their conversations with the FBI that the originators of the 12/12 threat was you and Sarah Fong.  So why are you guys actively working against this movement? 

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

What bonds are you talking about, Rob?

Most of the "cash" went to a bondsperson. There were only 6 bonds that were EVER paid in full directly by ABC. ALL of the rest were through bondspeople. What money are you talking about? Not a single penny from any full bond has been returned. None of those cases have been settled. And that amount would only begin to cover just over half of the amount of debt accumulated.

But in the end, you reveal yourself for what you are... Someone who kicks and screams at the folks who actually worked their butts off to do what YOU were supposed to be doing. While you and your good buddy Nathan were busy talking shit on everyone that didn't fit your political identity at Occupy Denver, DABC was actually bonding folks out. How many folks did the legal "issues" working group work to bond out? How many "legal issues" did that working group successfully tackle? IN TWO MONTHS? What did that group do besides work to file a failed injunction attempt? What did you do as one of the members of that group?

How many court dates have you sat through? How many folks have you picked up from the jail? How many bonds did you offer to co-sign? How many hours did you spend actually copwatching? What the hell is it that YOU did?

The reason that a middleman became necessary was that your working group didn't do ANYTHING. Not a damn thing. Ever. For anyone at Occupy Denver. I've yet to hear of any actual instance where the Legal Issues Working Group accomplished anything. So... I'm all ears. Tell us what great things you and your cohorts did for the movement? Besides now publicly attacking the one group that picked up the slack for you...

Rob
Rob

First off, yep, this is the Rob who formerly served on OD's Legal Issues Working Group.  I don't any longer, but I, too, hope that the Working Group is able to 'get its shit together', as you suggest, and remove the middleman from the bond issue.  Why we sought help from an outside group on this issue is beyond me, and I feel that it provided a substantial incentive for poor decision making within the group with regard to arrest.  Yes, I understand how bonds work.  I also understand that many of the smaller bonds were paid in cash, and that this represents a significant number of the total bonds.  So again I ask, what happened with those bonds?  Where is that money?  Would the folks who appear to be more than willing to bring the issue up in a public forum to complain about a lack of gratitude also be willing to open their books for review, or is that yet another example of 'oppression'?

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Dearest Rob,

The truth of the matter is since most bonds were put up through a bondsperson, none of that money comes back to DABC.

Secondly, the debt comes exactly from that same situation. Since most of the bonds were put up through a bondsperson, all it takes is 6-8 folks not showing up for court to put DABC in debt thousands of dollars, as DABC, as co-signers, become responsible for the full bond amount, and not merely the 8-10% of money put into the bond to begin with.

If all bonds had been paid in FULL, and not through a bondsperson, you'd be seeing DABC expenses nearing the $35-45,000 range.

If this is the same Rob from the Occupy Denver Legal Committee, I really, really, hope you guys can get your act together... because you'll need to if there are any more large amounts of arrests down there. Good luck.

Rob
Rob

I think that some of those cases have reached disposition, and bonds should have been returned.  Where's that money?  Do you really think what they provided amounts to an accounting of funds expended?

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