Medical marijuana v. recreational use: NORML controversy, Colorado connection

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Allen St. Pierre.
The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) is the country's most powerful cannabis advocacy organization, and it's long had a close link to Colorado, which hosted its 40th anniversary conference last year. But relations between NORML and Colorado's medical marijuana community are strained due to comments by executive director Allen St. Pierre that were perceived to be anti-MMJ -- observations that Denver attorney Warren Edson played a key role in making public.

The focus of this dust-up is "Allen St. Pierre on Medical Marijuana," published by Steve Bloom's Celebstoner.com website on January 5. The piece, on view in its entirety below, begins with a bold statement: "Defending the 'medical' cannabis industry is so yesterday. Why not acknowledge the political and legal farce it is and focus on the real problem at hand: ending cannabis prohibition?" From there, St. Pierre describes medical marijuana as a "sham" on par with prescription alcohol during the 1920s liquor-prohibition era, accuses the MMJ industry of opposing broader legalization efforts like California's Proposition 19, and maintains that cannabis consumers should be able to get "good, affordable cannabis products without having to go through the insult and expense of 'qualifying' as a 'medical' patient by paying physicians and/or the state for some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card."

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Scott Greene.
In the wake of these words, Edson, his wife Georgia and Mile High NORML director Scott Greene have resigned from the organization. But while the post makes it seem as if St. Pierre wrote an essay on the topic with the intention of widely disseminating his views, these remarks were never meant for public consumption. Instead, they were written as a note to James Clark, a California-based attorney who's part of a LISTSERV for the NORML legal committee -- an electronic mailing list whose members include approximately 450 lawyers across the country.

"I was in an airport in October," St. Pierre recalls, "and a cop in either Colorado or California had published a first-person account, a guest column about him getting a medical marijuana card. He wrote it up as you would expect a cop who doesn't like medical marijuana and thinks it's a farce would, and I posted it to the LISTSERV with no commentary, as I usually do. And this California lawyer [Clark] took umbrage to the fact that I'd posted it, saying, 'I can't believe NORML is not supportive of medical marijuana.' And what is being circulated now is my reply, written on a laptop in an airport terminal."

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A larger look at Allen St. Pierre.
Not that St. Pierre repudiates the substance of the response. "My first major mistake was not being as articulate as I could by avoiding words like 'sham,' so that it wouldn't be seen as so offensive. And second, I should have thought a little bit more about some people on that list, who at the time were not detractors but would immediately become so -- which was the case of Warren and Georgia Edson. They 100 percent melted down."

Warren Edson doesn't deny being upset by St. Pierre's characterizations, some of which he shared on his Facebook page. "We had a NORML conference in April where my clients and patients had pulled things together and put on what we thought was a heck of an event, only to have Allen call my clients and friends profiteers," he maintains. "And that's not what the industry is like here. No one's buying chunks of gold nuggets with medical marijuana profits. And they said the industry is against legalization, and when that kind of statement is made so broadly, it just isn't true." For instance, Georgia is a very public supporter of the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act, which is all but certainly bound for the November ballot.

While the back-and-forths soon began to escalate, Edson says he tried to be patient: "I waited for about three weeks, hoping NORML would clarify its position -- maybe limit the comments to one state or particular instances, as opposed to the whole medical cannabis industry."

In St. Pierre's opinion, this wasn't necessary, since his note was obviously a critique of excesses in California's medical marijuana business. He says he was shocked someone from Colorado could take it so personally. But that wasn't clear to Edson, who ultimately concluded that "not only was NORML focusing on legalization, but they were going to firebomb medicinal on the way out the door."

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medical alarm
medical alarm

They call it the “self-censor”, simply because you’re too self-conscious of your writing, too judgmental.

Reverend Ryan
Reverend Ryan

Thank you NORML for coming to your senses over medical marijuana vs. LIBERTY!

This needed to be said, and it needed to be said publicly and directly.

Russ Belville has came out with broadcasts along the same lines as this, but not nearly as politically incorrect!  I love how raw this was, and to call MMJ a "sham" excellent is all I can say!

I made a video and blog about this with my own opinion about Prescription Alcohol vs. Medical Marijuana. 

http://xcannabis.com/2012/01/p...

Reverend Ryan
Reverend Ryan

Thank you NORML for coming to your senses over medical marijuana vs. LIBERTY!This needed to be said, and it needed to be said publicly and directly.Russ Belville has came out with broadcasts along the same lines as this, but not nearly as politically incorrect!  I love how raw this was, and to call MMJ a "sham" excellent is all I can say!

I made a video and blog about this with my own opinion about Prescription Alcohol vs. Medical Marijuana. 

http://xcannabis.com/2012/01/p...

Phillip Barton
Phillip Barton

Mmj is not a sham. It is a AVENUE that provides a vast number of people access to STATE LEGAL CANNABIS and THEY "patients" are saying they get a positive result from using CANNABIS : )  Another positive result from CANNABIS is the ability to build a CAR or LEG-GOS, make PAPER, BLUE JEANS, CONCERT TEE’S, and thousand’s of other product’s. YES CANNABIS should be federally unscheduled, just like the un-cola.Ha ha ha ha… No really, cannabis should have the status of an industrial crop. Then the bi-products can be determined and regulated. The STATES & MMJ INDUSTRY say: Entrepreneur’s stand up & look @ the greener $$$ pastures. OPEN that $$$ money gate. Opps you CAN’T; because FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT will pounce on you, & put you in PRISON… I guess you will have to wait to create thousands of jobs & MILLIONS of $$$$$$$$ in TAXES for YOUR STATE...They say, STAY AWAY Stay away, this plant will “harm” you, what a crock of pooo. LAW ENFORCEMENT protect me from someone who wants to do ANYONE “harm”. MURDERS, RAPIST, THIEVES, O my!!! Peace!!!

Btw I am not yelling with the caps I just get excited : )

Brenna Pula
Brenna Pula

It's good to see NORML saying something about the farce of the medical marijuana industry. I feel bad for the patients who really do need medical marijuana, but i fully agree that it's about a 10 to 1 ratio of recreational patients to real patients. It's far too easy to get through that loophole, and it sucks that for awhile it's seemed no one wants to fix that loophole. I keep waiting for it all to collapse, and screw EVERYONE over; the real patients, the clinics trying to make a living and the people just trying to relax and smoke a joint. Come on people, stop acting like a bunch of spaced out stoners and THINK. 

James Clark
James Clark

Leave it to Allen to be loose with the fact as he tries to put his Washington D.C. 'spin' on one of his more recent and public mis-steps.  He falsely states that he did not make commentary along with his posting of a police officer's propaganda piece.  And for the record, the officer and article were from Washington State.  Blue Byline-A cop's perspective of the news and South Sound matters Posted By Brian O'Neill on October 2, 2011http://blog.thenewstribune...

Allen sent the following commentary along with the forgoing article:"Even a cop gets it....cannabis consumers claiming to be qualified medical patients hinders overall legalization efforts...as it apparently did in CA last  year..."

Leaving aside the logical leaps, backhanded insult to law enforcement, and lack of any evidential support for the point he is attempting to find, it was clearly meant to disparage anyone who does not agree with his executive analysis that medical cannabis laws are the bane of cannabis legalization efforts.  More importantly, his comments and the article were part of a years-long series of statements he has made disparaging medical cannabis efforts across the country. 

Mr. St.Pierre has steered NORML away from a decades long tradition of supporting medical cannabis patients, and puzzlingly, he appears to believe that smearing medical cannabis patients and supporters is a more valuable use of his energy than fighting prohibition.

James Clark--California Attorney

AncientMedicine
AncientMedicine

It's not just about what this "internal memo" revealed; St. Pierre has been strangely slighting the medicinal efficacy of the REAL DEAL -- whole plant cannabis in its most natural, NOT "pharmaceuticalized" state -- for a while now; but it has gone largely unnoticed. Maybe ST. Pierre feels he needs to acquiesce for the ignorant and risk-averse careerists in D.C. who want to help Big Pharma "pharmaceuticalize" cannabis and "pharmaceuticalize" a lot more of Mother Nature (and make more of Mother Nature illegal).

I shrieked when the following odd St. Pierre comment ran in several media outlets this past year:

"If you are going to sell medicine, then you need something more than 'Here is a jar with some dried vegetable matter,' " says Allen St. Pierre, the executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML).

Source: Daily Finance - An AOL Money & Finance Site ("Medical Marijuana: Who's Looking Out for Consumer Safety?")

Point is, "cannabis in a jar" -- or cannabis in its most natural state -- is a medical blessing and has been treasured for its medicinal properties by cultures all over the world for thousands of years. I'm guessing St. Pierre knows this (NORML, especially Paul A, has done a great job documenting and compiling cannabis' therapeutic versatility and efficacy for a wide range of medical conditions or symptoms and has written extensively about the limitations of some of cannabis' "pharmaceuticalized" versions, like Marinol. Great job, Paul, by the way).

But statements like the one like the one above, especially from the point-men and women of groups like NORML, serve only to perpetuate and reinforce decades of lies and to conceal the well-established fact that cannabis -- IN ITS MOST NATURAL STATE -- is very effective medicine, for hundreds of thousands of people. And even tiny, almost-unnoticed, slights -- that come from advocacy leaders -- hurt the general awareness and help to divide, rather than unite (around the amazing fact that medicinal cannabis has indeed been the major reason for the increased support for cannabis in general and for helping to dispel decades of propaganda about cannabis -- in its most natural, roots-in-Hell, state).

Sure, we desperately need more research and there'd be a lot more research, if the FEDS stopped blocking research -- by blocking universities' and research centers' ability to grow it or to acquire quality cannabis and by simply blocking any significant research, even with the U of Miss. Federal Schwagg.

However, cannabis has been studied and dissected for centuries and there have been tons of major studies and commissions, including double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies and hundreds, if not thousands, of peer-reviewed studies. St. Pierre and NORML should be promoting all the medical research its compiled and should be strategically blitzing all media outlets, nicely and properly, 24/7 with the research, backed by real life benefits for real patients...not making disparaging remarks about the medicinal value of cannabis in its most natural state.  Of course all adults should be able to use this plant, for ANY reason; but attacking the medicinal use of cannabis is unnecessary and ineffective at overcoming the superstitions and fears concerning cannabis use for any purpose.

Gary
Gary

Obviously folks are not reading the entire story, but I get what St. Pierre  said... Again, none of that conversation/submission was supposed be public. Yes, the medical avenue is/was beneficial for people to see that anyone who smokes/partakes in not going out raping and pillaging, beating their spouses and children, and rampantly committing crimes. Medical use is a good start, however; the real root of what they are trying to do, is get it "Legalized and Regulated like Alcohol" so ANY adult can have access to it.  I am sure legalization was the objective from the very beginning. Bottom line!Since the medical aspect of this is good,  it gave an opportunity for science to actually study the plant and its effects on those that partake, and the findings so far are "benign to no health risks" for casual/chronic users, and benefits to people that actually have a physical/psychological ailment, not to mention the preventive qualities for those that partake. I also understand the potential to get a reaction from the general public or politicians (pot calling the kettle black) that I for one already hear and read on the boards, that most people already know.... there are, no matter how you slice it, people who went through the process in a deceptive manner just to get it for recreational purposes. That puts a bad taste in the mouth... There is nothing wrong with being up front about what the goal is! The medical aspect has it's place no matter if you believe it or not, but if this is no more harmful than aspirin, why are we having such a hard time getting the prohibition lifted [rhetorical]?   Because of other factors, including ignorance of the issue, big pharma,etc...Nobody can deny the medical benefits, but if you are being honest with yourself, and understanding human nature, there are a lot of people taking "advantage" of the situation, and people are getting called out for it! I don't say its a sham... if we cannot get it totally legalized then we SHOULD have the medicinal access to it for the folks that DO need it. If we cannot get our act together and present what it is we want without having to backdoor it, this will never get legalized!

Dr. Dee
Dr. Dee

It is beyond pathetic that the Executive Director of the leading marijuana reform organization has publicly called the medical marijuana "industry" (I assume he means, growers, dispensaries, doctors who write recommendations and, of course, patients) a SHAM.  WTF is this man thinking?  I am looking forward to read his incredibly apologetic response - and if you believe that will happen I have a nice bridge which I can let you have cheap.

Ned Hoey
Ned Hoey

To anyone who's been involved prior to 1995, the medical exception was a necessary and worthy immediate demand. IT WAS NEVER THE WHOLE GAME! 

The medical moral imperative was a win win. Immediate recognition and relief for the most genuinely and legitimately needy AND serious leverage politically. It has been all out trench warfare for legalization since the sixties and legalizers have always been the underdogs.To divide ourselves is the best thing the prohibs could hope for. For medical use advocates to abandon or otherwise separate from general legalization efforts is foolhardy. The available political base may seem more favorable to limited medical use only but that is deceptive. The  reality is that either use is a right for a minority, the minority of general users is far larger EVEN if they seem less sympathetic. In the privacy of the voting booth, that difference matters.

Michael Novak
Michael Novak

oh my god who cares if it were just legalized there wouldn't even be need for medical marijuana it would just be marijuana and if it does help sick people guess what they'd be able to get it. whether its a farce or not is the most pointless argument in the history of everything. the persecution of both medical and recreational users is inhuman and severely damaging to good people and this country.

Matthew Meyer
Matthew Meyer

Thanks for the article. It provides important context for these comments, some of which was not widely available until now.

I'm scratching my head over how easily some folks have turned on St. Pierre / NORML, while most are giving Steve "Celebstoner" a pass for his disingenuous re-presentation of this internal email.

J.j. Erler
J.j. Erler

Let's be clear, just because you aren't a person with one of the most serious illnesses such as ms, cancer, aids, etc, and you like to smoke cannabis -- doesn't mean you also don't use it for medicinal purposes as well.  First of all, why does the fact that I'm not dying or incredibly debilitated mean I can't use it?  Second, why if it's a woman's body and right to privacy that allows her to have an abortion according to the supreme court, why am I not allowed to choose a natural herbal medicine to treat any illness I see fit I grew myself organically?  Last, in my personal experience there are a lot of people in the medical community who are great people, but there are also quite a few who could care 2 cents about anyone who can't get a medical card and gets thrown in jail over using it illegally and look down on non-medical users or peple who don't have one of those major medical illnesses but want a card.  I'm sure those people irk St. Pierre as much as they do me.  St. Pierre's point is if we legalize it, medical users will no longer have the problems with the government they do now and non-medical users won't be thrown in jail.  I think he has a good point.  And I don't blame him for going hard on the point in private conversations, because some of the medical people have a skewed view of other users.

Paul Saurini
Paul Saurini

The legalization movement has been a race between fame seekers for years.  There is such political cowardice on both sides of these feuding parties.  This is a joke.   Where you find conventional politics running the show for legalization, run away screaming your head off.  Whether it's Norml or the Edsons, you're better off punching your own self in the face than placing faith in such people for 'legalization.'  A true conversation about what 'legalization' actually is out of bounds for these folks.  For all of them, the deeper questions about the true loss of freedom in society are missing.  I find the medical 'regulations' puzzling as they instead resemble a prohibition manifesto which strips people of vital rights.  There's nothing that says 'marijuana users are second class citizens' like the hideous regulation complex that many of the supposed divided 'heros' being talked about here helped to craft.

Colorado MMJ ?
Colorado MMJ ?

Hmmm Interesting article and discussion, as always. I'm just happy medical marijuana is available for those who need it in the present. But I don't disagree with ending prohibition. Should be interesting to see what the MMJ communities reaction will be to all of this! Hopefully we can all come together and be positive, instead of destructive and against one another!

AncientMedicine
AncientMedicine

It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for NORML'S Allen St. Pierre to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance...

Thinking Clearly
Thinking Clearly

I see people that can't see the forest for the trees. The way the Federal Government is doing things there will be no dispensaries without legalization. If you can't see that you need to read some more.

The rest of this stuff is triviality and somebodies attempt to create a rift to distract from the real issue: the Federal Government needs to get out of the marijuana business.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Allen St. Pierre is the idiot who told Dr. Oz that it was too easy to get cannabis in California and an activist in West Virginia that he (St. Pierre) had no clue about what WV activists had done in the State Legislature and to expect no help from national NORML, then stuck his foot way down his throat on medical cannabis!

Of course we cannot end Prohibition by declaring all use of cannabis medical, but Colorado's constitutional protection of caregivers and patients whose doctors have recommended their use of cannabis must be upheld.  Prohibition must be fought on the Federal level, but the People of Colorado's decision eleven years ago is worthy of respect and stalwart support.  Our Constitution is supposed to be the supreme law of our State so far as our courts and officials are concerned irrespective of Federal law -- the dynamic of state sovereignty set against the arbitrary dicta of the Federal prohibition machine has been vital to the renewal of efforts to end Prohibition generally.  NORML has not been in the vanguard of change for much of the forty years of its existence, and its timid, self-defeating rhetoric meant e.g. that NORML could take no credit for our defeat of a 5 ng/ml of THC in blood per se standard for drivers here last year.  Calling medical cannabis a sham is just one example of NORML's blundering, timorous leadership.  St. Pierre should resign before he does any more damage to the stated purpose of the organization, but his geriatric Board of Directors have just circled the wagons around him instead.

I think that I speak for most patients in Colorado in saying that NORML's goals are far too limited.  It is becoming apparent to more and more people that we cannot just prise cannabis out of the societal conflagration caused by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) -- it's not just a matter of rescheduling cannabis, although that is important.  We need to take on the whole fascist system which has made the use of many drugs criminal and driven the supposed "land of the free" to incarcerate more people than any other nation on earth.  We are contending with a giant, self-agrandizing conspiracy between interlocking agencies of government -- the Department of Injustice, the DEA, NIDA, ONDCP, the FDA -- and the corporate dregs such as the CCA, other prison-enterprises, urine and blood testers, and all the other parasites who profit from persecuting private behavior.  NORML is absurd to try to maintain the pretence that we can ignore the injustice of the CSA and expect to be able to exempt cannabis from it.  NORML's membership should take responsibility for its failed leadership, remove Allen St. Pierre as President, and put NORML in the forefront of activism for fundamental change instead of lagging the pack.

esotericknowledge
esotericknowledge

In my opinion,

This Allen St. Pierre is a pathological liar who needs to be fired if he is completely ignorant of the real people, and real health problems, and the real help that this taboo drug gives to people.  I think if he has some intelligence he would realise the very serious life and death problems people have and understand how terrible calling it a scam really is.  He is repeating the mindlessness and bigotry of our Drug Czar word for word, nobody needs bigots like this.  And saying "oh I didn't mean to say scam" is transparently childish lie.  Allen St. Pierre was exposed and now he wants to crawl back into the blackness where he is comfortable--as all demons are.  This is really shows the lying that goes on, the idea that the guy claiming everyone else is lying, is actually the liar themselves.  And I am really sick of hearing the repetition of "oh all these medical marijuana users are liars"...how discusting...I think if we changed that claim to black people, people would understand how serious a thing they are saying.  And that's what it's all about, weak, hysterically frightened, subhuman, satanic creatures that try and pass themselves off as human beings, need someone to look down on and someone's life to control and someone to call liars, so they never have to look at themselves.

AlWolf Sandlin
AlWolf Sandlin

simple people vote for anyone you want it will change nothing and America will be the pit of hell.. our kids will grow up in hell... unless... you vote RON PAUL.. he is the only person who can save America and everyone else.

Juddagolden
Juddagolden

I totally agree with St. Pierre. Shame on Edson and others who fail to understand that NORML's intergrity is why we have been around for 40 years.

I was NORML state director in Iowa in the 70s and early 80s and got MJ decriminalized and a MMJ law passed. Then, MMJ  was for sick people.

MMJ as it now operates in CO, CA and many other states is a flawed, short-term solution that requires fraud and deceit. This is bad politics. The economic benefit from tax revenues is positive, but in the long term it will do more harm than good for real reform.

My hope: a second Obama term will include Federal rescheduling of MJ from class I which will change everything. 

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Only John Suthers and NORML sympathizers are still mouthing that crap about undeserving patients!

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Very interesting post, Ancient Medicine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

There are many patients and non-patients in Colorado fed up with NORML's flakey President, his organization's self-defeating rhetoric, and his apologists.  If NORML wants to be taken seriously here, it needs to dump St. Pierre as a start!

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

He has made no apology, and the moribund leadership of NORML backs him to the hilt.  NORML's reputation as a social organization is borne out by the comments of its little flock of followers too.

ColoradoMidnightRider
ColoradoMidnightRider

I've got an idea! Let's all go get warm & fuzzy with the 1%-ers at the Gaja Gala.

And, Remember to VOTE for our answer to government intervention LEGALIZE 2012. ( http://www.Legalize2012.com ). Help Support the 99%, who don't want this madness to continue.

Dcalvoman
Dcalvoman

I would like to repost this reply on Facebook. Would someone please help me do so. I would also like to know more about Mr. Chase's writings and thinking.

Phil Abong
Phil Abong

What does NORML *do* anyway, except throw parties and pat themselves on the back?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

I think that I speak for most patients in Colorado in saying that NORML's goals are far too limited.

1) No, you don't speak for most patients.

2) NORML has been around and fighting since 1970,long before the farce and charade of "medical" marijuana became the Trojan horse of dishonest recreational stoners and the big $$ dispensary lobby.

So it should come as no surprise to any sober observer that NORML would not endorse or suborn the boondoggle of "medical" marijuana as currently pimped by the puerile pot clown posse.

Dcalvoman
Dcalvoman

@juddagolden, your sentiments echo mine.

AlWolf Sandlin
AlWolf Sandlin

wtf?! a 2nd shit stain term?! are you insane? nobama will be the end of America. simple. fact.

High Country Caregiver
High Country Caregiver

How bout federal unscheduling?  Marijuana is not a drug and doesn't need to be scheduled.  We need to free the prisoners, abolish the criminal records and apologize to the masses for the genocide.  And that's only a start!

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Your specious denial is unconvincing.

Any honest observer of the Colorado MMJ charade knows that the VAST MAJORITY of patients are simply recreational stoners who are abusing the system and hiding behind the pretense of "medicine"... all to the detriment of the few legitimate medicinal users for whom Amendment 20 was created.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Feel free to start your own national pro-pot organization, and appoint yourself Czar of Propaganda.

Deborah Dawn Schultz
Deborah Dawn Schultz

@ Donkey....The Name Fits! You are an  idiot.  I have read all the posts so far and you truly have NO CLUE what MMJ is all about.  I am a Colorado Patient now and i voted for MMJ in Colorado.  I know what i voted for.  I have undergone Chemo 3 times in 15 years for Cancer.  Cannabis is the ONLY THING that allowed me to eat, that controlled my pain, stomach cramps, headaches, and muscle spasms.   I also donated a lot of $$$ to NORML in 2009-2010. as well as many other folks in the Colorado MMJ Industry.  It really disappoints me that the head of NORML would make such statements about Medical Marijuana when  NORMAL was VERY WILLING to take THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in donations from the COLORADO MMJ INDUSTRY!  You need to get your facts straight and sober up before you continue to make such outrageous statements about a subject you obviously know NOTHING about!

Dankreviews
Dankreviews

 Your  a moron! To condemn MMJ for the few recreational users that slip threw the cracks of a well regulated MMJ program in Colorado shows your true ignorance! Norml has done  nothing for moving forward Re legalization of Marijuana.Safer did in one year what Norml couldn't or wouldn't in 40 years get your facts straight.There are actual sick people who benefit from Colorado MMJ laws.And the rest have fair laws for possession of personal.The new law will be even better when it's regulated like the poison that it is Alcohol !One day we can strive to be able as adults to choose our on destiny until then we should take logical and meaningful steps towards the goal of end the prohibition completely.  Go crawl back under your rock Donkey breath!

Dank
Dank

 Your  a moron! To condemn MMJ for the few recreational users that slip threw the cracks of a well regulated MMJ program in Colorado shows your true ignorance! Norml has done  nothing for moving forward Re legalization of Marijuana.Safer did in one year what Norml couldn't or wouldn't in 40 years get your facts straight.There are actual sick people who benefit from Colorado MMJ laws.And the rest have fair laws for possession of personal.The new law will be even better when it's regulated like the poison that it is Alcohol !One day we can strive to be able as adults to choose our on destiny until then we should take logical and meaningful steps towards the goal of end the prohibition completely.  Go crawl back under your rock Donkey breath!

Mark Griggs
Mark Griggs

There's one man running right now who says just that.  I don't mean to insult your intelligence if you already know, but a certain Dr Ron Paul says (and has said for 30 something years) that we should totally repeal the prohibition and remove drug records of everyone ever criminalized for using "drugs", as personal freedoms are explicitly outlined in the Constitution.  Food for thought.  As a veteran, I support Dr Paul for his foreign policy as I've seen firsthand the crimes of war and it's devestating effects on civilians.  Others wouldn't agree and I understand, personal liberty is a scary thing to those who don't or can't grasp it..   - 2x OEF veteran for Dr Ron Paul 2012

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

The latter then -- and you are not above imputing that your claims about "lies, fraud and deception" are his concern as well (for which there is no evidence).

Tens of thousands of people in Colorado who suffer from debilitating and severe pain or other serious illnesses are able to obtain a medicine without harmful side effects which relieves their condition -- medical cannabis is obviously not a sham, and your animus against it seems completely unmotivated by any real concern.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

The "medical" marijuana clown show in Colorado *is* a sham!

Incontrovertibly.

Don't hate him because he dares to speak the truth, and won't countenance the lies, fraud and deception being perverted by the "anything goes" pot propagandists who are abusing and exploiting the intent and purpose of medical marijuana laws.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

How you like to snipe!  Do you really think it makes sense for St. Pierre to be President-for-life of NORML, or are you leaping to his defense just because he called medical cannabis "a sham"?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Don't shoot the messenger, Debbie.

The FACT is that the VAST MAJORITY of the 130,000 registered "patients" in Colorado are merely recreational users hiding behind the pretense of and abusing the intent of Amendment 20.

You should be angry at those Puerile Pot Clowns for tainting and defrauding the program that was set up for legitimate patients such as yourself.

HTH.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

your   -- belonging to youyou're -- you are

P.S. The reason for all the duplicate comments is that DISQUS displays the message "System Error" when people post their comments, when it has in fact registered the comment.  Until and unless WW gets rid of it (hint), we will have to copy our comments to the clipboard or elsewhere, try to post them, and if they do not appear, refresh the page to see whether or not they posted successfully, and if not, try again.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Your [sic] a moron! To condemn MMJ for the few recreational users that slip threw [sic] the cracks of a well regulated MMJ program in Colorado shows your true ignorance!

LOL!

Priceless !!

Mark Griggs
Mark Griggs

He actually states that if you are collecting Social Security than you are of course entitled to keep collecting it.  But, as in following the Constitution, if you choose not to pay into you it than you SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO.  I'm 28 and broke my back shortly after returning from Afghanistan.  I applied for social security only to be denied.  I payed into SS my entire working life and I don't even get back what I put in??  I've served in 2 combat deployments and have paid many a tax to SS and get nothing in return, especially when I actually need it!!  Is there a better definition of a Ponzy scheme?  Can you tell me where in the Constitution it says we must pay into a Soc Security scheme??  I can't.. And you label him a racist??  The irony.  The same man/veteran/DOCTOR who says he would not only end the war on drugs, but release everyone incarcerated for a nonviolent drug offense.  He doesn't say this bc it's a popular thing to say, especially amongst the Conservative Republican asses that run this country.  I'll follow DO'ers not SAY'ers anyday.  Keep your Bush/Obama/Romney/Gingrich soulless draft dodging warmongerrers. Consider your own candidate before calling the one true man of integrity a racist. - 2x OEF Army Intelligence veteran (from Texas no less) for Dr Ron Paul 2012..

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

A REPUBLICAN from TEXAS ...

... imagine that!

joeyrockx
joeyrockx

Yes the one man talking about ending the drug war is a racist. Please enlighten me, what policy does any other one of these clowns have that will help minorities more then what Dr. Paul has proposed? In one day he would do more for minorities hen Obama and the last 5 presidents put together. Racist? Please, don't buy the media hype.

esotericknowledge
esotericknowledge

In my opinion he is also a racist who wants to get rid of SS, that's nonsense.

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