Red light photo tickets likely to survive despite stop line issue, critic says

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36th & Quebec.
Red-light cameras at Denver intersections are widely reviled and provide dubious safety benefits according to a report from Denver Auditor Dennis Gallagher. Yet in a first vote last night, Denver City Council voted 10-2 to retain the program throughout 2012. Councilwoman Jeanne Faatz isn't pleased by the outcome, which makes sense, since she's one of the "no" votes -- but she doubts the council will reverse itself in the future.

"I'd bet on it continuing," she says, noting that she was only joined by Councilwoman Susan Shepherd in opposing the measure.

In the beginning, Faatz admits that "I was very enthusiastic about the program, because they" -- ACS State and Local Solutions Inc., which has a $700,000 contract with the city to run photo ticketing -- "sold it as a way to check people who are running red lights. And that's certainly something I want to do. But in this case, they're also giving tickets to people who are simply stopping on the line, and that's a problem for me."

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Jeanne Faatz.
As noted by the Denver Post, drivers whose wheels wind up on the white stop line at one of four intersections outfitted with photo tickets in Denver are given a $75 fine -- the same amount as if they'd actually been caught running the light. Moreover, a technical improvement launched in April caused the number of tickets, and the attendant revenue, to skyrocket from $230,000 in fines between January and April to $1.3 million from May to October -- and Faatz's been told that 60 percent of the violations are of the white-line variety.

Faatz doesn't have a problem with people being cited for moving onto the white line, but only if an on-site cop would make the same judgement. "I don't believe an officer in the vicinity would give the ticket in some of these cases, where there are no pedestrians and no safety hazards present in the crosswalk at all -- no bicyclists, no children, no dogs. And yet some people have been given tickets in those cases. Some of my constituents have shown me the photos."

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jcwconsult
jcwconsult

Sooner or later, a super-majority of the population in every camera city will realize that red light cameras and speed cameras are NOT about safety, they are about revenue.  Then they may demand the right to a public vote on the cameras.   There have been 24 votes so far and the cameras lost in 23 of them - see www.thenewspaper.com for details.  Red light cameras only produce profits by citing these "stop line" violations, by citing very slow rolling right on red turn that are almost never dangerous, or by citing people who violate the red by less than 1 second when the yellows are up to 1 second too short for maximum safety.  Speed cameras only produce profits when the posted speed limits are set 10-15 mph below the safety-optimum 85th percentile speed of free flowing vehicles under good conditions, the method that tends to produce the maximum safety and the fewest accidents.Ticket cameras are just a cynical means to make money with improper engineering and/or unethically predatory enforcement procedures.  Denver citizens should demand the removal of the cameras and that the engineering of lights and speed limits be reset for safety, not revenue.See our website for the science.  James C. Walker, National Motorists Association, www.motorists.org, Ann Arbor, MI

srd275
srd275

RLC are a FRAUD.  When they have to resort to doing "touching" the stopline violations to keep enough tickets coming in.  THE SCAMERA SIDE HAS LOST THE ARGUMENT!

It was always about MONEY, NOT safety when most of the "violations" are techincal fouls like right turns, stop lines, and split second mistakes.

FIGHT THE FRAUD!

DEMAND A VOTE!

www.motorists.orgwww.banthecams.orgwww.camerafraud.comwww.bhspi.org

Green Laser Pointer
Green Laser Pointer

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Mike
Mike

I have gotten a couple of these tix over the years. I make a copy of my Drivers License, and send it to the address, along with a note that states that I am clearly not the person in the picture (even though I obviously was in the pic). They dropped every one so far :)

Gina_michelle109
Gina_michelle109

gotten better in the last year my ass! i got a ticket at 36th and northbound quebec in early fall for being ON the line.

3 days after going to court for that ticket, and paying a reduced fine, i'm going south on quebec at 36th (where there are no cameras) and some jackass comes speeding through the red light going west on 36th. i almost t-boned his ass, but myself and 3 other people laid on the horn causing him to slam on his breaks in the middle of the intersection and giving me the opportunity to swerve around him while flipping the bird. where the hell was THAT guy's ticket?!

Sharpshooter
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Hey Denver, do you hear that? It's revenue being spent elsewhere by people avoiding your faux glamour and wannabe big city appeal. Enjoy your red light cameras, hope there's somebody left to rip off in a year or so!

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