Medical marijuana deadline update: Second wave of seizure letters coming soon

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Update below: Today is when 23 dispensaries receiving letters from U.S. Attorney John Walsh have been told to stop doing business at their current location or risk having their assets seized.

At this writing, it appears that none of the targeted centers will fight this edict. Those that haven't been able to find a new home presumably more acceptable to the feds plan to close.

That's the word we get from Mike Elliott of the Medical Marijuana Industry Group. "I haven't spoken to everybody," he acknowledges, "but I think I've been part of the circle of people who would know. And I haven't heard anybody say that a business is planning on staying open past the deadline."

At the same time, however, Elliott notes that "I do know of some people who are moving."

Do such folks constitute a majority of letter recipients? Elliott doesn't specify. Instead, he simply points out that "some of them have chosen not to move, maybe because they had difficulty finding a place or the expense was too great."

The 45-day deadline provided by the U.S. Attorneys Office certainly presented challenges to the businesses, which were previously considered legal under state law because they'd been in place prior to the passage of local ordinances and had therefore fallen under grandfathering clauses. (Most but not all of the centers in question are in Denver.) Moreover, Elliott has doubts about the reasons cited by Walsh for sending the letters.

"It's important that we protect schools and teenagers from marijuana," he says. "But we haven't really seen any credible evidence that these businesses have been causing increases in teenage use."

Not that the U.S. Justice Department needs to make such a case. After all, marijuana remains illicit at the federal level, despite the passage of 2000's Amendment 20, which legalized medical marijuana in Colorado, and the subsequent development of an industry that continues to serve patients in the tens of thousands.

In Elliott's words, "The federal government can really do what it wants in this area."

Update, 10:42 a.m. February 27: Just heard back from U.S. Attorneys Office spokesman Jeff Dorschner, who tells us that all stores that received letters should already be closed. He can't comment on whether each of them has complied, but allows that "to the best of my knowledge, no enforcement action has as of yet taken place."

Dorschner can't discuss "possible future enforcement actions," but he says "if it turns out that all of the targeted marijuana stores did close based on the letter, there will be a point that I can share that information publicly, once we're comfortable with that information."

In a past interview, Dorschner characterized the 23 letters sent to dispensaries by his office as "the first wave," and he confirms that "there will be a second wave. I cannot give you specific timing, other than to say it will likely be sooner rather than later."

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Tristate80013
Tristate80013

Dear MMj Patient, Thank you for your reply. Dispensaries SHOULD NOT BE BY SCHOOLS! As long as Corey SHUTS HIS MOUTH we may be ok. Robert Corey is stirring up problems for us because he wants the publicity that he is talking back and forth to Walsh. Rob Corey is going to KILL our indusrty that all of us have worked so hard for. All Corey has done is fill his pockets and give horrible advice. We want ROB COREY OUT. Start a facebook to get rid of ROB COREY!

Denver MMJ Patient
Denver MMJ Patient

Growing pains of a medical marijuana industry. Some may be 'FED' up with the Feds for sending these cease and desist letters out. There is really no reason that any of these dispensaries should be right by schools, and therefore, I really don't see this as the big hit on Denver medical marijuana that everyone is making it. (not that it isn't a hit)

Budd Jones
Budd Jones

Lots of comments and no action. Definitely not any organized action. There is one simple solution ...instead of cutting snake off at the head...aka John Walsh.....take out from beneath him the ground he slithers on!

Since the Obama Administration and John Walsh chooses to rewrite the Law as they see fit then Cannabis Lovers...regardless if you are a Grower, Caregiver, Dispensary owner, MMJ Red Card holder, or recreational user...must realize you cannot win legally unless it is by ballot.

So what is one to do? Play a different game. Not John Walsh's or Obama's...let the other activists do what they do well and win that war over time...but a game that Obama and Walsh never considered and cannot defend.

A lone silient wolf is much more efficient, effective, and dangerous than a noisy, clamorous pack.

Reality Check
Reality Check

So Rambo, what are you going to do, exactly ?

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Were he to tell us, he would not be a silent wolf.

Guesto
Guesto

The ones I know of that got letters were all open today. Hmmmm

Monkey
Monkey

That's funny, maybe someone will publish a map of places still open like they did with Boulder MMCs close to schools. The feds wont have to spend any of their limited resources destroying Colorado MMCs, either the local news or a lawyer will do it for them. Investigating use to take the most time, all they have to do now is read the paper and send out letters. Looks like our regulations are helping the feds not patients.

Matt in Boulder
Matt in Boulder

In a past interview, Dorschner characterized the 23 letters sent to dispensaries by his office as "the first wave," and he confirms that "there will be a second wave. I cannot give you specific timing, other than to say it will likely be sooner rather than later."

Now that they know how quickly the first wave rolled over, you can bet your ass the second wave will come "sooner rather than later."

These dispensaries need to get themselves a Sheriff Mack on their side:http://oathkeepers.org/oath/20...

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

So where is the tough-talking ego-maniacal lawyer Rob Corry now ?

customex
customex

This whole affair appears to be the development of a crafted justification to support a predetermined bias and conclusion. If this approach and strategy is employed in this instance, does it imply that it is an acceptable approach for manipulating differences between different laws within different jurisdictions to enforce other opinions they find unpopular?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

"It's important that we protect schools and teenagers from marijuana." -- Mike Elliott of MMIG

So marijuana is harmful, eh MMIG ?

Talking Point = FAIL !

Guest
Guest

Seriously all of you need to get a life. The feds are going to do what ever they want. Keep arguing with eachother because thats what they want. Your doing a great job here on the Westword blogs. Good work

Chad
Chad

I think this is a bit silly, with 9,522 caregivers why are they going after the centers.  The caregiver model allows 30 plants to be grown.  At a 1 pound of usable product per plant that's like 95,220 lbs of useable product.  There are no controls on who it sold to or how much is sold.  Seems like the caregivers are where the problem is.....

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

But caregivers can charge a service fee and they can be in co-ops.  The point of A20 was to provide ACCESS to patients.  Dispense IS in the constitution and so are:

ACCESS: the right to enter or make use of.  an increase of growth.ENGAGE:  to obtain or contract for the service of, employ. to contract for the use of.

The constitution actually REQUIRES a caregiver to ENGAGE patients with the use of. 

Again, when this actually gets heard in the courts, it will be interesting having attorneys argue that engage has a different definition in A20. MMC's have Nada when it comes to protection.  They gave up their caregiver status.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Spoken like a true tool for the greedy Big $$ Dispensary Lobby.

Amendment 20 did NOT authorize retail dispensaries.

Amendment 20 did authorize individual patients and private caregivers to grow their own.

Why do you hate the Colorado constitution and the rights granted to patients and caregivers ??

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

But caregivers can charge a service fee and they can be in co-ops.  The point of A20 was to provide ACCESS to patients.  Dispense IS in the constitution and so are:

ACCESS: the right to enter or make use of.  an increase of growth.ENGAGE:  to obtain or contract for the service of, employ. to contract for the use of.

The constitution actually REQUIRES a caregiver to ENGAGE patients with the use of. 

Again, when this actually gets heard in the courts, it will be interesting having attorneys argue that engage has a different definition in A20.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Once again -- Retail Dispensaries are not even mentioned in the provisions of A20, much less defined or authorized.

And as you know, the Colorado courts have already ruled on that fact.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Amendment 20 did not explicitly authorize dispensaries, but it did implicitly authorize caregivers' dispensation of cannabis.  The act of dispensing must take place somewhere, and that place is called a dispensary.  We have been round and round on this -- you still have not admitted that the word "dispensing" is in the Constitution, but there it remains.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

You betcha !!

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

 But caregivers can charge a service fee and they can be in co-ops.  The point of A20 was to provide ACCESS to patients.  Dispense IS in the constitution and so are:

ACCESS: the right to enter or make use of.  an increase of growth.ENGAGE:  to obtain or contract for the service of, employ. to contract for the use of.

The constitution actually REQUIRES a caregiver to ENGAGE patients with the use of. 

Again, when this actually gets heard in the courts, it will be interesting having attorneys argue that engage has a different definition in A20.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Nothing in the provisions of A20 even mentions retail dispensaries, much less defines or authorizes them.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

The word "dispensing" is in Article XVIII, Section 14 of our Constitution.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

When it comes to affirmative defenses from extant criminal law -- which are interpreted narrowly as they are limited exceptions from otherwise prohibited criminal behavior -- if it isn't EXPLICITLY covered in the provisions, it ain't covered. AD's aren't interpreted broadly, they are interpreted literally and narrowly.

Only a completely daft fool with an unremitting desire for incarceration would prospectively act, repeatedly, in violation of existing criminal statutes hoping that they could convince a jury or judge of some "implied" exception -- the burden of proof for affirmative defenses is in fact upon the defendant and not the prosecution, the defendant must convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that their behavior was explicitly exempt from existing criminal penalties. In fact, in order to raise an affirmative defense to existing criminal law, the defendant must admit and stipulate that they did in fact commit the elements of the crime! -- but that they should be excused under that narrow exceptions of behavior explicitly allowed by a "affirmative defense" statute.

See the case law regarding Colorado's "make my day" affirmative defense to homicide if you have any doubt as to the extremely narrow explicit behaviors that are allowed.

Amendment 20 did NOT authorize commercial retail dispensaries.Amendment 20 did NOT authorize large scale commercial grows.Amendment 20 did NOT authorize sales -- in fact the proponents of A20 told the electorate that "sales of marijuana would remain illegal" if A20 passed.

The words dispensary or sale do not appear anywhere in the provisions of Amendment 20.

Period.

Patient
Patient

One pound of usable product per plant is way over estimating. Maybe for an outdoor plant but most caregivers are indoor growers and get nowhere near one pound per plant. Seems to me the problem is people like you that feel the need to get involved when you little about the situation.

Colorado Mmj Patient
Colorado Mmj Patient

Really? And 2 people liked this? MMCs got their start by being caregivers. Remember that? Caregivers were the original intent of amendment 20. Stop being a troll. 

You sound a lot like a MMIG dispensary owner...

olcurmudgeon
olcurmudgeon

and yet the mmcs supposedly grow nasty pot but they were caregivers ---who are the only ones who grow great mj-- yer funny.

LarryQ5
LarryQ5

Now there's about as assinine a statement as I have seen in a long time. This whole deal started out about helping patients, and you say they are the problem? They are a problem for the greedy dispensaries because they produce a better quality unadulturated product, at a much better price, without being photographed and given a raft of sh*t by some under-educated "bud tender," You, Chad, are the one that is silly!

OneWhoCares
OneWhoCares

 Wow is this why the prices dropped when the dispensaries opened. All the "caregivers" I know bitch about the falling prices and how they are having difficulty with the lower prices. Up until the dispensary model came into play the price was still black market prices. Now you can find 1/8ths for as low as $20!!! Caregiver's would never sell for this low until they were forced by the industry. As for the quality, you need to shop around a bit much better quality and selection out there in the dispensaries than at your local caregiver's house. Oh by the way did any of these caregiver's donate to any causes like many of the centers have (schools, education, etc)? Seems to me it is the caregiver's that keep the price high, and not all caregiver's know how to grow just as much as some of these "growers" at the centers - not much of an argument there? Larry Q5 get some education!!!! Chad to let you know to get a lb off one plant is way over estimate. Your lucky to see 2 OZ a plant and that is if you really know what you are doing as we are learning, many people do not.

Guest
Guest

don't take it personal... you have no clue what you are talking about. people who buy a $1000 bottle of wine are either too stupid or too lazy to get the exact same bottle for $500. these idiots are your customers.

Justsayin
Justsayin

 i couldn't care less what you think. wish the same could be said for you. obviously, from the way you are a condisending asshole to anyone who disagrees with you, you are the one who's panties are all twisted. anyway, i thought you might like to know that you restaraunt analogy was complete bullshit. but i guess that won't stop some ulty hippie asshole from their usuall bullshit. toodles

Guest
Guest

don't take it personal. you have no clue what you are talking about. people who buy a $1000 bottle of wine are either too stupid or too lazy to get that exact same bottle for $500. those idiots are your bread and butter. they are happy to pay extra for the smoke up their asses. 

Monkey
Monkey

Don't take it personal, some people buy a box of wine, some buy $100 bottles and some buy $1000 bottles. They all get you drunk, but only some people notice a difference. I'm glad you're happy with your commercial selections, stick with what you know. Others like myself seek the best of the best and think commercial grade weed is for kids. 

LarryQ5
LarryQ5

There is a MAJOR differance between "good" and " Top Shelf, A1, and dank." I didn't say I pay that. I have patients that have compared private caregiver top shelf and disp. top shelf, and there is no comparison. If you are satisfied with mediocre labeled as Top Shelf, that's ok, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.You are right, there are dumbasses here and they also reside in your mirror.

Justsayin
Justsayin

actually, it's really easy to find great cheap food in this town... the key is to find someone who gives a shit about what they are selling. people who hire a chef are usually douche bag yuppies who couldn't figure out how to get the same good food for less. the same goes for mmj centers. sure, there is alot of shit herb in alot of centers, but,there is also high quality herb in dispensaries. but you choose to paint with a broad brush and say all dispensaries have shit weed. that's probably because they are taking your bussiness. but the real reason people flock to centers is the convienence. why would people want to deal with a dickhead like you when they can walk in to a store and ten minuters later have what they need?

joe mama
joe mama

 *too stoned as opposed to 'to stoned', douchebag. and you are missing one of your parentheses. everything you have written is a grammatical abortion. 'i actually work 40-60 hours weeks'......yeah, well my grow eats at least that many hours of my week. oh, and i don't get to leave it alone for the weekends like you get to leave work at work for the weekend. fuck off you donkey raping shit eater.

OneWhoCares
OneWhoCares

 $150 an OZ, you are getting ripped off!!! I can get good meds for $125 OZ at my local center, and this is good quality. Dumbasses are on this blog.

OneWhoCares
OneWhoCares

 Why don't you Donkey Hotay get a job. Not all of us can spend all our time blogging and growing pot!!! I actually work 40 - 60 hr weeks and many times I am out of town if not out of state for up to two weeks at a time. How am I supposed to "grow my own". Many people are in the same shoes as I am and either do not have the time to grow or the space to grow. I am so glad that you can sit around and do nothing all day - sounds to me like maybe you are the slacker!!!

By the way, show some intelligence!? You say legalize like oragano. This is as assinine as they come!!! Why not at least compare it to herbal supplements like maybe St John's Wort (you are probably to stoned to even know about this herb. Comparing Marijuana to oragano is like comparing apples to oranges. Get a life and a clue, you do nothing but sound like a jackass in every one of your posts!!!

LarryQ5
LarryQ5

Do you actually eat with that same mouth? No one ever said MMC's weren't good for patients, it's just obvious that a good caregiver can and will do a better job. Most caregivers I know are all in demand. I guess electricity, nutes, and supplies don't count as an overhead expense? Who's the ignorant one here?

Monkey
Monkey

If you want cheap commercial food, go to burger king.If you want fine food prepared for you, hire a chef.If you want cheap commercial weed, go to an MMC.If you want fine buds prepared for you, hire a caregiver.If your caregiver offers you commercial grade weed, hire a new caregiver.Price wars began when MMCs had too much shitty weed and couldn't sell it for market price. MMCs forced to grow their own lowered the price because MMCs couldn't compete through quality anymore, they were forced to compete through quantity and price. Why sell good buds for $50 an 1/8 when you have warehouse space and can sell 4 times the amount of shitty buds for $25 an 1/8? Take it from Wall-mart, quantity will always make more money than quality, that's why quality is expensive. The "top-shelf" at McDonald's is still just a big-mac.

Reality Check
Reality Check

"Whiny fucking caregivers are really just BLACK MARKET GROWERS who are upset about being pushed out of business."Sounds like MMIG's corporate mission statement.That quote is a keeper for the archive.

Guest
Guest

you  are an ignorant fuck. it is the increasing quality and production capacity of over 1000 COMMERCIAL GROWS that are lowering the prices. the cost of production has gone down with economies of scale and as a result the market has responded by creating a more competitive environment which benefits patients with constantly dropping prices as more COMMERCIAL GROWS get there quality up an set up dialed in.

Whiny fucking caregivers are really just BLACK MARKET GROWERS who are upset about being pushed out of business.

The Caregivers who actually CARE and are not interested in profits are doing just fine. It is those whiny CUNTS who want to sell their weed for cash without paying income tax, sales tax or pay any overhead expenses that are suffering. NOT the patients and NOT the real caregivers suffering, BUT THE DRUG DEALERS!!!!

Pull your heads out of your collective asses and realize that all in all MMC's have been good for patients.

LarryQ5
LarryQ5

You must be related to Chad. 1 oz of top shelf, A1, unadulturated medicine from a caregiver/grower $150. Purported to be 1 oz top shelf medicine from disp. $250 +, and it's probably kiefed as well. It's the rise of the caregiver that's forcing the disp. to lower their price. Of course at $250 for less than optimum, a disp. can certainly afford to donate. Can you name one that did???

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Stop whining about the price and GROW YOUR OWN, slacker !

Colorado Mmj Patient
Colorado Mmj Patient

More letters to come MMCs. Get ready. You guys won't unite while the Feds are carving you up a piece at a time. Fun while it lasted...

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Of course any competent attorney clearly advised their dispensary clients of the 1000 ft. minimum mandatory Federal sentence enhancement -- doubles the underlying prison sentence --, along with the 100 plant minimum mandatory 5 year prison sentence -- and the 10 year minimum mandatory prison sentence for 1000+ plants.

HipTip: If you're going to open and operate a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, hire a competent and ethical attorney first ... to advise you against it.

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

Hack John Ingold (at the DP) has it that a "stare-down" is underway -- but he is just a liar.  It has (again) been frustrating to see just how little understanding the media have of government and law in this affair -- Walsh is not enforcing Federal law or trying to protect students from cannabis; he is threatening businesses whose owners and operators would be subject to draconian increases in their prison sentences were they to be convicted of violating the Controlled Substances Act because the US Department of Injustice imagines that such businesses are politically vulnerable.

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