Occupy Denver's Tim Holland on why Saturday's "F*ck the Police" march isn't official OD event

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Update: The decision to stage a "Fuck the Police" rally is controversial even for the Occupy Denver members who support Saturday's event -- get details below. Still, occupier Tim Holland explains why the organization as a whole hasn't signed on: While Occupy Denver (by which he means the entire group -- the brand, if you will) supports free speech, it doesn't want to alienate either the 99 percent or the police by publicly supporting the march.

"Although 'fuck the police' is a sentiment that is widely shared by many people who have been brutalized by the Denver Police, this Saturday's 'Fuck The Police' march is not an Occupy Denver event," Holland says.

At least not officially. Some Occupy Denver protesters support the rally, but such backing has not undergone a vote at general assembly.

"This event does not come out of our events or tactics committees, who are responsible for our marches, nor has this event even been endorsed by our GA," Holland continues. "That said, Occupy Denver fully respects the rights of all Denver inhabitants to assemble and air their grievances against the state or the DPD, particularly in light of the obscene waste of blood and treasure that we have witnessed over the past six months."

So there you have it. The line between what is an Occupy Denver event and what is merely supported by a number of people within Occupy Denver is a fine one (as it was during a protest of the annual homeless vigil). In the meantime, Holland and others emphasize a wish that this weekend's march begins and ends without violence of any kind.

Look below to see our earlier coverage.

Original item, 9:09 a.m. February 23: Although it is not a general assembly-sanctioned event, select members of Occupy Denver, the Internet collective Anonymous and "an array of other activists" are spreading word online of their first combined "Fuck the Police" march. Scheduled for this Saturday, the event has the potential to become a regular feature in the local movement, pending a successful turnout rate this weekend.

But its word choice -- and the occasionally rocky relationship between Denver's police and protesters -- make it a tough issue for the larger body to sign off on.

In other occupations, similar anti-police events have become more commonplace. Occupy Oakland, for example, stages regular "Fuck the Police" marches.

This Saturday, the first Denver version will begin at 7 p.m. at the D&F Tower at 16th and Arapahoe as part of a national push spread by Anonymous to build similar simultaneous events in several cities.

Protesters are encouraged to cover their faces for anonymity while shouting the slogan that is the event's name. "Join us as we don our masks and bandanas and unite as one strong voice opposing the violent and dystopian police state in which we all now live," reads one Anonymous website's entry on the march.

And while the event will be attended by a variety of Occupy Denver protesters, many of them stress that the event has not been approved by the group's general assembly -- or even brought up there -- although it might later be, depending on the success of this weekend's event. In addition, protesters -- who, appropriately enough, request anonymity -- also stress a focus on nonviolence.

On October 22, the group participated in another anti-police march, this one against police brutality, with organizations that included the Denver Anarchist Black Cross. Only one protester was charged with a crime (destruction of city property) as a result of that march.

More from our Occupy Denver archive: "Occupy Denver update: 100-plus arrests, more charges added, one case misplaced."

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frank
frank

call 248 842 8312 im matt scott littzleman i love roxys coke heroin pretty much anything to get me high  i love jankm ill drive anywere for right hook up plus im a chubby chaser i want a fat piece of black ass i can  sit and fuck all day

Cheesey Pal
Cheesey Pal

Dear Occupy Denver protesters.Thanks so much for closing down the 16th Street Mall today. I, and many others, had to walk to Market Street Station to catch our bus since we could not ride the Mall shuttle. Good job in LOSING SUPPORT from the REAL 99%ers, you morons. And what about the crippled people that could not ride the mall shuttle all because of your self-indulgent parade? Did you ever think of them? GET A JOB YOU LOSERS. EVERYONE ON THE BUS TODAY WAS PISSSSSSSED  OFF AND NO LONGER SUPPORTS YOU. Was that what you wanted? Did you think for one second that shutting down the Mall would affect the super-rich? NEWS FLASH, the super-rich take limos, not the mall shuttle. GET A CLUE and GET A JOB.

gekkobear
gekkobear

Occupy, everyone there is a member for the headcount... but none of the criminal activity was done by Occupiers; it was someone else.

And when Occupiers get together to have an event, it's not an occupy event if something goes wrong... it's only an event when they can blame the things that went wrong on "outside elements" which always seem to be part of the group until they're suddenly "outside".

 

DavidKramer
DavidKramer

The leftist meme, hey just because a bunch of freaks do this it is not our fault. We did not sanction it. What a bunch of hooey.

ThirteenthLetter
ThirteenthLetter

Right, of course. Whenever it looks like there'll be some bad publicity, suddenly it's not Occupy doing it. If you aren't willing to throw out the anarchists and general jackasses, you have full responsibility for what they do in your name. Own it, losers.

Annoyed
Annoyed

Same as the march back in October, against police brutality, it got labeled an Occupy Denver event, AND IT WASN'T! Do some reaserch here, Kelsey, stop screwing this up, overlapping movements and protests, get the facts straight BEFORE PUBLISHING SOMETHING. it's annoying.

mybuddyrobin
mybuddyrobin

This is NOT an Occupy Denver event...never was!  Why the BS innuendos Westword? Shame on you!.

I was a part of the environmental movement in Oregon back in the day. I worked for OsPIRG... some of the employees, on their own time, chained themselves to trees in protest to save the Spotted Owl.. THAT action did NOT mean that OSPIRG had anything to do with it. 

Take the Brits... if you tell someone from Scotland or Ireland or Wales that they are British they will agree... but if you tell them they are English ... well you better duck, quick!

The difference for the folks who support BOTH ways of protesting may seem the same...but that doesn't make it so. .... jus' sayin'

I am disabled and I summoned up the courage to walk 2 miles on one day with the Occupy Denver folks... I personally disagree with the sentiment of F*CK Police... they are blue collar workers and they are NOT the problem.. the jerks sitting behind glass windows and in comfy warm offices ARE the problem.

Mikel Whitney
Mikel Whitney

Kelsey, hopefully you'll writing something about F29.  That is where your energy should go at this juncture.  The exposure of ALEC & the corporations in Denver that belong.  Write something about this, please!

Jtcolfax
Jtcolfax

Ah,......memory lane in Denver.  I recall such things as being with my ultra queer friend Michael and he went into the Circle K on Colfax which is now some generic convience store.  I was waiting for him on the side, casually, when suddenly he appears all beaten and bloody.  This was in the 80's.  I hold him up and start dragging him to a mutual friends house on Penn Ave.  I barely get the info out of him that he was beat up by a bunch of 18 year old mormons from Utah having a hot time in Denver fag bashing.  He was a huge mess.  And oh what happened then is rich: the Denver Police pull up and drive along next to us shining a bright light on us.  And the officer in the passenger seat is uttering COMPLAINTS because apparently the police were right in front of the store when he was beaten, and, Michael had uttered "fuck the police" while being thrashed, as they did nothing.  Why would they protect a fag with a pink mohawk from a group of six upstanding wrestler types.  When I saw the police coming, I thought they came to help.  Foolish young me. They only came to HARRASS Michael who they assumed was alone.  Only the truly genuine SHOCK on my face made them decide to just drive on.

How about months before that on my very first night in my first downtown apartment.  I am 18, it's all so exciting and fearful.  It's 1982.   I have just moved into a hell hole at 17th and pearl.I decide that putting more stuff away at this instant is less important than using the last hour or so of light to take a walk around my new hood.  I do that for about 40 minutes, and I am using an alley to make my way back to my new home, my first apartment (needs to be said again),..and up the alley I see several police cars.  I can't think of any other way but to keep onb going and pass them.  They are looking at a car with a broken window.  They grab me and slam me against it so violently I nearly plotz.  One of them screams marine like into my face and totally terrorizes me.  They make me take off a shoe, and though I cant really see anything they exclaim that there is broken glass in the sole.  I say, "because you made me walk on it," and I appeal to another officer because I truly believe the one screaming at me is mentally ill.  But no...this one barks in my face too.  These are just two stories wherein the Denver Police ill treated me when I believe that they fully KNEW I had nothing to do with the events.  And this leads, you see, to FUCK THE POLICE.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

Cool we don't need the stank of Occupy Denver's fear, we are going to stand up to authority.  The police are not our friends, they are the first line for the government against popular uprising.  So, Occupy Denver when you want to consider yourselves a popular uprising, ie. the 99%, just remember who is the first line of defense against that uprising.  If you want real activism see you all Saturday! 

Some more hot Activism also coming your way with delicious food support by the  Thunderdome.Feb 29. Leap Day Action in Boulder March 1. Education Action in Boulder March 1. Thunderdome Radio Show

gekkobear
gekkobear

Right, tell the police what you're there for.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXwzb...

Clarify to the police as this Occupier in the video does that you'll hunt them down and locate their homes and kill their families for opposing you... Because tyranny is bad, but killing families of those who oppose you is good... or something.

I might be a bit confused; why is oppression, violence, and murder good when you guys do it?

Chris
Chris

 Corey Donahue speaks the truth. Police are professional class traitors. Police only exist in societies with class divisions. Police exist to enforce those class divisions. Class divisions are caused by misappropriation of surplus value. If you don't understand this you really are too politically naive to be involved in political direct action. You should go watch Bill Maher or some other 1%er and stay the F out of our way.

gekkobear
gekkobear

 "Class divisions are caused by misappropriation of surplus value."

Ah, well we'll just take all the stuff from the wealthy, run them off, and have an economy without them.  I mean Zimbabwe did that and it worked great for them.  What do they have now?  95% unemployment?

Sign me up, I'm thinking our 9% unemployment is sad and we need 1000% inflation to destroy the valuer of all property while nearly everyone loses their jobs.

Maybe next we drive everyone out into the countryside to force them to farm as the Khmer Rouge did and see if we can kill off 30% of the population due to idiocy?  I mean since you goal is to follow some of the worst disasters of all time, why not?

Not a fan
Not a fan

Corey also likes to grab other men's nut sacks and then plead like a baby that he was only kidding when the cops show up. He and Pamela are great leaders for this movement. Are they a couple?

Robert Chase
Robert Chase

 I am not a fan of anonymous morons who repeat lies and innuendo without making any effort to learn the truth.  The modus operandi of the DPD is to make false criminal charges even when there is evidence demonstrating that they are lying -- if anyone should be a victim of that procedure, it should be you!

Chris
Chris

 FTP march is a step in the right direction. We need to keep Capitalists from co-opting our revolt with their 1% aiding "Colorado People's Assemblies."

Deez Nuts
Deez Nuts

Says the guy who probably sips Coke and owns a North Face jacket and an Apple and an mp3 player.  

Pfherbst
Pfherbst

"Fuck the Police" ?  Real mature people, what are you all 12 years old that's the best you could come up with ?  You act like bratty little children and the government it gonna treat you like bratty little children!  Man up and grow a pair, the only people we got to blame for the state of the nation right now is US! Because we are so apathetic and quick to turn a blind eye to some liar politician. WE choose our leaders, what are your standards for being led?  You wanna talk us and them?  Well there are 545 of them (1 president, 9 supreme court justices, 100 senators, and 435 members of the house of representatives) and there are 311 million of us, do the math people!  If you don't like corrupt government who only cares about big business and money then for Christ sake stop whining like a little baby, EDUCATE yourself, GET INVOLVED, and VOTE for someone who isn't a liar!  You wan't a parade?  How about "Fuck the People" for being stupid enough and docile enough to LET these people in a position to run our country!  

Not a fan
Not a fan

OH, good grief. This is what they do. This is just like when Pamela Zuber organized the horribly stupid protest during the homeless memorial before Christmas. "Oh, that wasn't OD! That was just crazy Pam! We kicked her out!" Bullshit. They're all crazy and petulant children.

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

If anything, the police and their attacks on poor and working class people are direct manifestations of the economic crisis and the class based society we live in. The "Wall Street Fat Cats" rely upon and need the police in order to even exist.

The cops protect property and those that own it. If you don't see a correlation, then you really are blind, overly privileged, or a cop yourself.

gekkobear
gekkobear

 Right, whereas your attacks on... well pretty much anyone with a job is you showing "the 1%" something. 

Block rush hour traffic, well only the 1% drive, or have jobs, or go anywhere... right?  The NY City subway shutdown?  Blocking prot workers from maknig delvieries... everything you guys do you claim is about "the 1%' but you never seen to hurt anyone as much as the regular working guy here.

Are you guys lying about your goal while you're really protesting any employment at all?  Or are you completely incompetent?

I don't see a third choice that makes sense.

Flipper
Flipper

If I were a cartoonist, I would draw Occupy Denver flipping off the police while the 99% is flipping off both Occupy Denver and the fat cats on Wall Street.

So sad that you guys are so "bad ass" and "radical" you can't see the bigger picture.

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Yeah, I guess you're right. The working class and poor (I guess you would call them the 99%) of Denver have never had to deal with an out of control and overtly violent police force that beats them, murders them, sexually assaults them, imprisons them on false evidence, and mass arrests whole communities of them just for being poor or brown or black. And migrants don't face daily terrorism from ICE and other law enforcement.

Either you don't live here, or you have never had to deal with these things... either way, it is you who are ignorant of the "bigger picture."

The militarization of the police, mass imprisonment of poor and working class people, and the general criminalization of entire classes and races of people is most certainly part of the "bigger picture". Except for the white middle class yuppies from the burbs.

Not a fan
Not a fan

Murders them? Name one occupier who has been murdered, please. Isn't Cory Donahue facing sexual assault charges? Imprisons them for starting a fire on a public street -- for shame, America! Wonder why OD has a credibility problem. Oh, yeah, "F--k the Police." That's mature. At the end of the march they'll eat crayons and sniff glue. 

Tranked
Tranked

Go back to your stye and lick your hipster friends' armpits.  You're not hardcore.  You're not changing anything for the better.  Suck it (and get some more examples rather than your type constantly having to regurgitate the names of Booker, Ashley, and Gidenko).  

Johnbrown
Johnbrown

Not talking about Occupiers... you do know that there are hundreds of thousands of people who live in Denver who may have never been to an Occupy Denver event who still have to deal with the cops right?

Ever heard of Marvin Booker? Alonzo Ashley? Oleg Gidenko? Try google. It might help. And if you haven't heard these names, I have a hard time believing you live in this city.

West Guest
West Guest

Kelsey Whipple and Michael Roberts are the only two journalists in Denver, worth calling journalists.  Day in day out, their articles are well-researched, superbly written, and always focused on the most relevant and intriguing issues.  Much gratitude to you both.

Jeff Compton
Jeff Compton

The October 22nd march was not Occupy Denver. Most of the people were not Occupy Denver either. I have footage.

Jtcolfax
Jtcolfax

St. Patrick's day...March 17th,,,,a Saturday, is the 6th month anniversary of the occupy movement.  It comes 3 days before Spring.  There's gonna be a picnic.  Now: back to the heated debate.

Don Heldenbrand
Don Heldenbrand

I'm sure there are going to be a couple of black people at the "fuck the police" march. Why does your headline not read "Black community join forces for fuck the police march?" Kelsey, you are practicing very irresponsible and dishonest journalism.

Tim
Tim

THIS IS NOT AN OCCUPY DENVER event in any way shape or form.  it doesn't not come out of our GA, or our tactics or events committees... by calling this an occupy denver event you enable the corporate shills at FOX31, denverpost, and the rest to do their quick little 50 seconds of research and broadcast that occupy denver is now saying "fuck the police."  yes a few of the more radical participants of occupy denver are involved with this, but it is mostly local folks that have NOTHING to do with occupy denver, and to call this "fuck the police" march an occupy denver event does a disservice to occupy denver, and the other people contributing in this march.  not only that, the 99% is very turned off by this sentiment...  we are not occupy oakland(although i wish we were).   "fuck the police" is not a sentiment shared by the wider 99%, or the wider group of occupy denver supporters.  please change the title of this article to "local anarchists and anonomous plan fuck the police march"  -tim holland occupy denver press relations committee

anonymous
anonymous

Honestly Tim, knowing you, I think you planned it to look this way.  You knew that this march would get more press if Occupy Denver was attached to it so you did your usual manipulative asshole shit to get OD and the FTP marched linked in the minds of the public and now you're trying to play innocent.  

Unfortunately everyone who has worked with you has seen this all before.  A million times we've seen it all before.  You are the reason so many reasonable people have turned away from OD.  You're sexist.  You're a bully.  You crave violence.  You are a manipulative person through and through.  I watched you drive so many women away from OD with your antics.  

It's so sad seeing you destroy a movement for your own personal gain.  I know you love getting your name out there so that you can sell more records but you really should stop fucking around with politics.  This protest used to be something that people cared about.  You turned it into a joke.

brandi williams
brandi williams

nice. and brave, tim, well done! thank you for the honesty of positions, the perceived group and your own (perhaps, truer desires).

Tim
Tim

no other reporter has put in as many hours as kelsey whipple in covering occupy denver.  we have so much respect for the workd she has done covering us, she has done a fantastic job....  i just don't see  the need to associate this with occupy denver....   

although i personally would love it if occupy denver was as radical as occupy oakland. we are not... we come close!!!  but we're not quite there!

MartinW
MartinW

Hi Kelsey,

While you can publish whatever you like, a point of clarification is needed here.

Occupy Denver events must, by definition, be approved by a consensus of the general assembly. Otherwise, it is not an Occupy Denver event. This is a practice common to all local Occupy groups demonstrating solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. So, the march you mention taking place this Saturday is not an Occupy Denver event.

Anyone can participate in Occupy Denver. The general assembly is an open meeting using a simplified approximation of Robert's Rules of Order for parliamentary proceedings. All participants may vote.

Occupy Denver is not the boss of those who choose to participate in Occupy Denver events, meetings, and other activities, although Occupy does request that participants in Occupy events follow Occupy guidelines and tactics for the safety and enjoyment of everyone.

Activists who participate in Occupy events may participate in other events, but that does not magically make those events into Occupy events. There are a lot of activist organizations out there and more are forming all the time. If they participate in the general assembly then their events may be approved. This one was not even proposed.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Appreciate the clarification, Martin. Thanks.

prole
prole

 ahh yes... social struggle. all about "safety and enjoyment."

fucking asinine. This is why the occupy movement will go nowhere. Step it up and get it done or get off the pot.

brandi williams
brandi williams

Kelsey, I know you are loving all the attention and some Occupy peeps are loving it as well. However if journalism was what you were concerned with....why the yellow FTP coverage and not FANTASTIC Colorado People's Assembly coverage? CPA was an incredibly productive aspect of the movement where Occupiers from the all around the state met at CU Boulder. continued to be disappointed by the choice of OWS coverage. Who's team are you on, really?

Light Rail Tattler
Light Rail Tattler

Go easy on Kelsey, she took a bullet in the ass covering Occupy and is still on the job.I commend her courage.I know an ex cop from Grand Junction that took a bullet in the ass on the job and his family forced him to quit. Now he works at Dennys.I was going to march with Denver Copwatch tonight protesting the corrupt Chief John Lamb and the corrupt Media Relations Bureau of the Denver Police but the black bandana I bought to protect my identity from the police is to small.Next time, next march, there will be another just as the Light Rail Trains keep running red lights injuring and killing with no liability insurance.

Please Google: RTD Light Rail Train Crash

Stupid
Stupid

Don't believe that story about a bullet in the ass. There's no way.

Mikel Whitney
Mikel Whitney

Thanks, Brandi.  Well said.  btw I was "interviewed by someone (Lauren) from the Boulder Camera(?).  Did you see an article about the CPA this week?

Guesto
Guesto

What if the Government was hacking themselves, in order to justify their subsequent lockdown of the internet? Guy Fawkes masks? Centralized underground transmissions? 

What if the Occupy movement was the Government protesting themselves, in order to justify their subsequent lockdown of or communities? Hmmmmm

ThirteenthLetter
ThirteenthLetter

What if it's really the Trilateral Commission, working together with the Zionist Occupied Government and the lizards from the hollow Earth? YOU CAN'T PROVE IT ISN'T!

Liz Salander
Liz Salander

The possibilities are endless, but look rather at the PROBABILITIES and you will be less likely to succumb to conspiracy theories like the one you are proposing.

Guesto
Guesto

Both movements are centralized in very suspicious ways. Its not improbable that a small group of psy-op specialists could create the illusion of Anonymous. 

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