Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act falls 2,400 signatures shy of ballot

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Mason Tvert.
Earlier this week, Brian Vicente, one of the primary proponents of the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act, told us that news about whether the measure qualified for the November ballot could come as early as Friday. This prediction proved accurate, but the word isn't one Vicente and fellow backer Mason Tvert wanted to hear. The Act is 2,409 signatures shy of winning approval from the Secretary of State's Office.

According to the so-called Statement of Insufficiency, on view below, the Regulate folks submitted 163,632 signatures -- almost twice as many as the 86,105 required. However, a stunning 79,936 were deemed invalid, leaving only 83,696 that were ruled acceptable.

In many ways, this isn't a surprise. Setting aside accusations of vote suppression regularly leveled against Secretary of State Scott Gessler by liberal opponents, it's fairly commonplace for half of signatures on petitions to be chucked. Compare to the experience of Denver mayoral candidate Paul Noel Fiorino.

But that doesn't spell the end of the Act. Supporters now have fifteen days to reach the number needed.

Tvert's response to this turn of events?

"Today's news is unexpected, but it is really just a very small bump in the road on our journey to end the irrational policy of marijuana prohibition in the state," he writes via e-mail. "Fortunately, we started this signature drive in 2011, so that we would have the opportunity to cure any shortfall in our count. We now have 15 days to collect approximately 3,000 valid signatures.

"Given that we were able to collect an average of 3,000 valid signatures per week during the first six months, we are confident we will complete this process successfully and qualify the initiative for the ballot," he continues. "Then, in November, the people of Colorado will help us tax and regulate marijuana and end the insanity of punishing adults who make the rational choice to use a substance less harmful than alcohol."

By the way, we hear that Legalize2012.com has now submitted language for its own marijuana measure, this one focusing on full legalization. But that's just the first step in a very difficult process, as is demonstrated by the Regulate forces' latest challenge.

Here's the aforementioned Statement of Insufficiency.

Secretary of State Statement of Insuffiency

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Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Mr. Ramie, "We are requiring the implementation of a licensing facility, if you will, a process to get a license. We're not requiring the granting of a license."

Whoooooooop! ... there it is !!

Vote NO on the idiotic deceptive I30 !!

**** Legalize Marijuana Like Tomatoes !! ****

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A win for the grassroots
A win for the grassroots

They only need to lie and say it's going to "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol" to 2,400 more people, in order to try and put this bill written to re-criminalize cannabis in our constitution. We have 14 days to stop this betrayal of our rights! If you have felt misled by the "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act's" marketing, please register a complaint with the Secretary of State. When making the complaint please remember the state gave this initiative the title, "Regulation of Marijuana," so use that name so the state officials know what your talking about. Below is the complaint form. I would complain if someone was lying to me to re-criminalize cannabis. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t...  

Pumpuy2010
Pumpuy2010

What would it take to get this done at the Federal level where it counts? Non-smoker here but willing to help. 

langfooo
langfooo

I hate to admit it but that actually makes a lot of sense dude.Total-Privacy dot US

CO_Buddyboy
CO_Buddyboy

Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol is anything but. First of all, if I want to back my SUV up to a liquor store and buy all the alcohol I can fit in to it - I can do that. If I buy more than an ounce under this bill, I am subject to the same raids that happen today. This bill creates a new crime - "driving under the influence of marijuana," and it creates a whole new enforcement division for the police. This bill was written by the legal community to keep them in business after the "legalization" of pot.

The right way to do it is the way Legalize 2012 wrote it. Now that's legalization. They need money. RMLA had over a million dollars given to it and they still fell short. Trust me, if Legalize 2012 gets even a part of that they will get the signatures they need to put REAL legalization on the ballot. Don't support a bill that will make marijuana laws worse. Support Legalize20112.com

I am amazed at how virtually none of Colorado's stoners are putting any money into this fight. Let's take on the Feds and big Pharma. I put my $100 into Legalize2012.com, how about you?  

FREEDOM WILL RING
FREEDOM WILL RING

Donkey hotay , news flash,news wire...are the same person.. same ip addy.. We don't really appreciate lies being told about marijuana. We have your comments posted on the Legalization of marijuana web site on misconceptions of marijuana. Just to prove the pain and abuse people go through just to use the one and only thing that works for them. Why would anyone care if people smoke pot? Thats just a freaking joke, you people are just haters of American and freedom. Funny thing is you know it!!!!! you just wanna pick a fight with pot heads because you think we won't fight back. Well you just picked a fight with a few that will.

FREEDOM WILL RING
FREEDOM WILL RING

I'll sign it, where do I sign at? I should be able to find 2,500 more votes, just know one knows about it.  Its an obvious rig by the brainwashed old geesers that have nothing else to worry about other than people smoking pot... the most natural form of medication you will ever find, not to mention it is very enjoyable such as alcohol. Stop being hipocrates......maybe someone should give you a real reason to bitch at people and take our rights. FREAKING JOKE!!!!!!!!!

SmokeUp
SmokeUp

No on this bullshit!  I want marijuana to be taxed and regulated like water!!!!!!!!!!!  You could buy it in any place that sells water........ gas stations, restaurants, vending machines, build huge hash oil storage tanks in every town and plumb hash oil to every house.  Hash oil on tap - sweet!  Maybe I'll start my own org and write an initiative.  What do you guys think?  Oops, I just shit my pants.

Phillip Barton
Phillip Barton

Initiative 30 is bad. It is geared towards soccer moms &law enforcement.

I was approach @ Wash park with the petition & was toldit was to legalize marijuana like alcohol, which is a lie on so many levels. I didnot sign it nor would I vote for ANY initiative that could put my child (who isold enough to risk their life to protect the constitution) in jail for using cannabis.

Initiative 30 gives more money & power to Law Enforcementwith all its regulations. 

concernedparentandtaxpayer
concernedparentandtaxpayer

Jesus said to do unto others as we would have them to do unto us. None of us would want our child or grandchild thrown in jail with the sexual predators over marijuana. None of us would want to see an older family member’s home confiscated and sold by the police for growing a couple of marijuana plants for their aches and pains.If the people who want to use marijuana could grow a few plants in their own back yards, it would be about as valuable as home-grown tomatoes; it would put the drug gangs out of business and get them out of our neighborhoods.

COmidnightrider45
COmidnightrider45

LEGALIZE 2012 Ballot Initiative is "FULL LEGALIZATION", like the "like alcohol" effort was quasi-legalization? semi-legalization?

NOPE, it is just Regulation in Disguse of a "legalization" initiative. Let's be real here,

Colorado Voters have been Hood-winked into signing their initiative petition. But, then again, Out-State Billionaire Interests have funded this weed circus and they never were much for the TRUTH anyways.

By Election Day, the voters will be much better educated about the Failed Drug War, Cannabis, & the Legal Cartels"

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

1 hour, 21 minutes, 48 secondsSteve Fox (on behalf of Brian Vicente),

"I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is NOT what this is.  She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana.  It's a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization."

COmidnightrider45
COmidnightrider45

YOU TOO can Help by going to http://www.Legalize2012.com Help the 99% in Colorado, who understand exactly how the Health Department, DOR, Law Enforcement, & New Cannabis Industry "Carpetbaggers" have their thumb on cannabis. Sorry folks, YOU CAN'T OWN THE PLANT! I30 is a Nightmare, just see the website chart. THANK GOD, by November, our Colorado Voters will be among the Most Educated in the Nation on Prohibition and the FAILED DRUG WAR.The Negative Spin is Downright Laughable, I mean, "Stoners for Legalization", the PRO-I30 Forces can't EVEN come up with a valid dialogue about why their initiative is better, only seek the Adolescent route of Bashing the Individual. SMOOTH!

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

"Donkey hotay , news flash,news wire...are the same person.. same ip addy"

LOL!, ... so you're not only a deusional paranoid, you're a liar too?

**** Vote NO on I30 ****

NO New Taxes !!

NO Jack-booted HB1284-style regulations enFORCED by goons with "badges and guns!"

**** Legalize Marijuana Like Oregano !! ****..

Jaded
Jaded

Nice work. Fist bump. Guessing it's chippi, kriho, donanhue, or some other root rot defective trying to undermine I30. Stoners against marijuana are one of the biggest hurdles towards marijuana legalization.

SenorSenor
SenorSenor

 water rights are among the most heavily regulated commodities in the united states. And if you think you aren't paying for the water that comes out of your tap, you're a moron or still living at home with mom and dad.

not to mention the massive markup on "purified" water from the "out of state interests" you people seem so frightened of.

Jaded
Jaded

No state has ever legalized recreational marijuana and colorado can do it in a few months.  It is illegal for people under 21 to use alcohol.  While imperfect, initiative 30 only expands on the liberties of colorado citizens.  If you want to vote the same as prohibitionists vote then go right ahead, and send your children to jail at any age for using marijuana recreationally.  If this init fails who knows how long marijuana prohibition will continue in colorado, and people of all ages will continue to get arrested for recreational marijuana.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

**** Legalize Marijuana Like Oregano !! ****

Vote NO on the deceptive I30 which will allow UNLIMITED TAX and UNLIMITED REGULATIONS.

Jaded
Jaded

Give it a rest tim tipton. We know what we're supporting in the I30 init. The legalize 2012 init will never make the ballot. How many signatures is the CTI init getting on average per week? How many sigs does it have? You see, right now you're out there trashing the only pro marijuana init that has a chance and that really pisses me off. Kathleen Chippi says she didn't support the A20 medical marijuana init and will not support the I30 init...how do you stand? Are you with the prohibitionists denying access to medical marijuana patients and citizens that benefit from initiatives like A20 and I30?

SenorSenor
SenorSenor

 that's pretty insulting to think that other voters are as stupid as you are and have been 'hoodwinked' into anything.

olcurmudgeon
olcurmudgeon

 So because its regulated , it's not legalizing? Really? Well shees just about everything Ive ever bought from milk to beer to cigarettes is illegal! Who knew?

Jaded
Jaded

Give drug dealer donkey a pink slip. Vote Yes on initiative 30

rofl. Your days are numbered donk.

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

1 hour, 21 minutes, 48 secondsSteve Fox (on behalf of Brian Vicente),

"I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is NOT what this is.  She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana. What we are doing is regulating marijuana.  It's a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization."

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Stay ignorant, pot-clown.

It's your calling in life.

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

Mr. Ramie, "I think it would work if we deleted the word, starting on line 1, with legalization."

1 hour, 15 minutes, 46 seconds Mr. Fox, "Tomatoes are legal.  You can buy them anywhere.  Tomatoes have been legalized.  But as you've seen with the medical marijuana system, it is a highly regulated (emphasis added) system by a regulatory agency and that is what we're proposing."  he continues.....with

"I appreciate that you prefer marijuana over legalization because legalization would be truly misleading as a part of the title."

So who is lying to the voters, Jaded?  DA--right out of the prohibitionists mouth.

Phillip Barton
Phillip Barton

 

You mean no state has re-legalized cannabis. Cannabis was legal& used for many things. Then the congress & president made it illegalto stop the industrial production of Hemp.

They did that by saying the use of the buds for recreationalpleasure was dangerous & would bring harm. They lied by attaching nameslike Weed, Reefer, Marijuana “Marijuana" is derived from the Mexican word maraguanquowhich means "intoxicating plant". Some people site historicalinformation in which the name was used to create an "evil" or "unpatriotic"image for use of cannabis or other THC containing compounds.

Now the proponents of initiative 30 want to attach Alcoholto the thought process of the recreational use of Cannabis. Think of all thepeople who hate alcohol & you think they will vote yes on “RegulateMarijuana like Alcohol”

 

There is such a rush to ride the wave of acceptance of MedicalMarijuana that people will write bad language in initiative’s to get acceptancein recreational use. Throwing people under 21 under the bus is not a way. By theway it use to be 18 to be legal to consume alcohol & today you can serve alcohol@ 18. So does I30 really regulate like alcohol?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Your ignorance is showing again -- Alaska LEGALIZED marijuana possession of up to 1/4 pound for personal recreational use back in 1975.

No Taxes !No Licenses !No Doctors !No Fees !No DPHE !No MMED !No Greedy Dispensary Clowns !

Full LEGALIZATION of up to 4 ounces for private personal possession and use.

Kathleen Chippi
Kathleen Chippi

Hey, Jaded, have you not yet listened to the title board hearing?  Apparently not because the PROFIT PROHIBITIONISTS were pretty clear that they are NOT LEGALIZING CANNABIS.  It can be summed up in the quote below but I listed many for you nae-sayers who continue the lies. 1 hour, 21 minutes, 48 secondsSteve Fox (on behalf of Brian Vicente), "I mean she made our point better than we have, which is legalization is NOT what this is.  She said it clearly and they are going to propose an initiative regarding the legalization of marijuana.  What we are doing is regulating marijuana.  It's a significant legal difference and it would be inaccurate to call it legalization."6-15-11 Original Title Board Hearing for "Regulate Marijuana" the board: Bill Hobbs-Deputy Sec of State, Dan Dominico-Attorney Generals Office, Jason Galender-Senior Attorney Office of Legal CounselMason Tvert-ProponentSteve Fox-Director of Public Relations Marijuana Policy Project, DC (on behalf of proponent Brian Vicente)Mr. Ramie-Proponents Attorneyminute 11:30 seconds Mr. Hobbs, per industrial hemp, "They have to act but it doesn't give them any guidance on what to do so I suppose the General Assembly can enact a law that says there will be no regulation of cultivation, processing or sale of industrial hemp.  Is that accurate?"Mr. Fox, "If that interpretation is there, than yeah, that would be an option for them.  Yeah.  We would hope the interpretation of this would be a directive that they should affirmatively regulate it .  But if they chose to do otherwise, we will be stuck with it."minute 50:55 seconds  Mr. Ramie, "I think it would work if we deleted the word, starting on line 1, with legalization."1 hour, 15 minutes, 46 secondsMr. Fox, "Tomatoes are legal.  You can buy them anywhere.  Tomatoes have been legalized.  But as you've seen with the medical marijuana system, it is a highly regulated (emphasis added) system by a regulatory agency and that is what we're proposing.  I appreciate that you prefer marijuana over legalization because legalization would be truly misleading as a part of the title."1 hour, 18 minutes, 11 secondsMason Tvert, "This notion of using the term legalization, which is incredibly subjective, in fact is highly debated."1 hour, 18 minutes, 42 secondsMason Tvert, " If the point here is to be accurate and to make this as accurate and objective as possible, it would seem that  simply saying legalization, which could mean a broad variety of things, compared with regulation and personal use was more specific in our opinion."1 hour, 31 minutes, 28 secondsMr. Hobbs (about adding "like alcohol" to the title) "I would be troubled by that...strictly speaking there are some deviations.  It's similar to alcohol but it is not the same.""I agree with you that it may be misleading." response from either Galenger or Dominco.

1 hour, 37minutes, 15 seconds Mr. Hobbs "For me personally, when I was looking at this, I thought the most important thing, if I am interpreting the measure correctly, is that local governments can prohibit all of these things within their jurisdiction.  Um. And I thought that was really a significant thing."

1 hour, 53 minutes, 40 secondsMr. Ramie, "It seemed important for us......and then employers may place restrictions on the use of marijuana by employee's. "

1 hour, 56 minutes, 6 secondsMr. Fox, "We, based on experience, know during the campaign, that there will be exaggerations about what our initiative will and won't do on the driving side and the employer side and so on.  And we wanted to have this language in there so that people know...... that employers still have the right to do things."

2 hour, 3 minutes, 38 secondsMr. Dominico, " I just wanted to raise the fact that even if this passes, we're not technically permitting a person 21 or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana.  We're just saying the state won't prosecute you."

2 hours, 6 minutes, 44 secondsMr. Ramie, "We are requiring the implementation of a licensing facility, if you will, a process to get a license.  We're not requiring the granting of a license."                                     

News Wire
News Wire

The massive repeals and MMJ bans being voting in across the state show that the electorate had no intent to authorize the pot-clown circus when they marginally voted for amendment 20 back in 2000.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Projecting your perverse fantasies again ?

Jaded
Jaded

Keep fucking that donkey

Jaded
Jaded

munch away donkey

SenorSenor
SenorSenor

"The puerile pot-clowns and obnoxious dispensary circus pimps have set public and political support for legalization BACKWARDS more in the last 3 years than the DEA has done in the last 10."

no. they really haven't.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

You're stammering again ... like you've been Donkey punched!

Jaded
Jaded

Backwards for black market drug dealers, forward for everyone else. Sucks to be a drug dealin donkey.

Jaded
Jaded

Why do you hate marijuana?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

The puerile pot-clowns and obnoxious dispensary circus pimps have set public and political support for legalization BACKWARDS more in the last 3 years than the DEA has done in the last 10.

Reap what ye sow.

You fools played yourselves for the moronic loathsome losers that you are.

Stay the Course! ... Onward Through the Fog !!

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Does your dope-fried brain consider sex to be legal in Colorado?

Illegal to have in public ... illegal to sell or buy it ... which leaves pathetic wankers like you jerkin' over the pages of the latest HighTimes centerfold tramp.

Your deceptive I30 will FAIL !!

It won't even garner 35% of the vote ... if it makes it to the ballot at all.

No sane pro-pot citizen wants a HB1284-style Dept of Revenue enFORCEd clusterfuck regulating their personal use of marijuana.

Jaded
Jaded

Marijuana legal in the home is all it takes for you to consider marijuana as legalized fucktard? ...then I30 should be a donkey wonderland. Up to an ounce is decrim in colorado for everyone whether in your car, home, etc....and it's still fucking illegal....illegal to have but nobody cares....still illegal to possess it, buy it, sell it....but hey it's decrim so by your logic rec marijuana is already legal in colorado. I30 is lightyears beyond any point you have to argue about alaska's decriminilization. Go to alaska if you love their marijuana laws so much. Why do hate colorado?

SenorSenor
SenorSenor

who thinks that? it would allow for you to cultivate and keep everything you grow. If you don't grow and have to rely on a shop, you can buy an ounce at a time. That's not confusing at all.

ask the thousands in jail or who have been in jail how well that decriminalization of two ounces we've had in one way or another since the 1970s has worked out for them so far...That shit clearly doesn't work. So it's time to try something better. Backtracking? we never made progress in the first place, ass.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

And you delusional stoners think that I30 allows for unlimited possession, cultivation and sales by any adult individual in the state ?

Hilarious you think I30 legalizes marijuana use, possession and cultivation. 

Currently, in Colorado, adults can possess up to TWO ounces of marijuana without criminal penalty.

The idiotic I30 would REDUCE that to ONE ounce!

Backtrack much ?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

"Alaska citizens have the right to possess less than four ounces of marijuana in their home for personal use." -- Alaska Court of Appeals, Noy v. State, August 29, 2003

The Alaska Court of Appeals ruled August 29 that Alaska residents may possess up to four ounces of marijuana in their own homes without any criminal or civil penalty. 

The ruling, which cites a 1975 Alaska Supreme Court finding that the Alaska constitution's privacy provisions protect the personal possession and use of marijuana in the home, once again makes Alaska the only state in the country with legal marijuana in the home

Jaded
Jaded

donk you imbecile...

Alaska Marijuana Law Background The history of marijuana legislation in Alaska dates back to 1975 when the law reduced the penalty for possession of any amount of marijuana to a civil charge carrying a fine of no more than $100. Public possession, possession or use by a minor, and possession while operating a vehicle was deemed a misdemeanor charge and carried a fine up to $1000. Sale of marijuana remained a felony. Eleven days later the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that while protection of a citizen's privacy still held legitimate, the possession of amounts that indicated the intent to sell, shall not be protected.

http://www.mahalo.com/alaska-m...

you think this is legalization? rofl. Glue factory time.

Jaded
Jaded

Alaska decriminilized marijuana in 1975. Colorado and many other states have forms of decriminalization as well. Funny you think decrim means legal donk, but then think I30 is not legalization. I30 would provide legal use, possession, cultivation, purchase, and sale of marijuana for recreational use...not like that decrim stuff that only removes a few penalties. Decrim in regards to marijuana usually means still illegal but no penalties for certain crimes or first offenses. Poor donkey not understand?

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

You really are dumber than a box of rocks, aren't you stoner?

What part of Alaska LEGALIZED marijuana back in 1975 don't you comprehend?

Now tell us again how no state has ever legalized recreational marijuana use, moron.

Jaded
Jaded

You're (not your) showing your ignorance again donk. Correct that possession under 1 ounce is legal in alaska but sale, cultivation, or possession over 1 ounce is still illegal. Funny you don't think init 30 is marijuana legalization but you refer to alaska's as having legalized marijuana when it has much, much stricter laws than proposed in I30.

http://norml.org/laws/ak

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Mr. Ramie, "We are requiring the implementation of a licensing facility, if you will, a process to get a license. We're not requiring the granting of a license."

Whoooooooop! ... there it is !!

Vote NO on the idiotic I30 !!

**** Legalize Marijuana Like Tomatoes !! ****

.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

 If we want to talk about crime, let's talk about the crime of misleading the public in to signing a petition.  The Title Board set the title of initiative 30 as "Regulation of Marijuana."  The proponents own lawyer even said to compare it to alcohol wold be confusing and misleading to the public, and the Title Board agreed. It's a matter of public record.http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elect...   So if the title is "Regulation of Marijuana," and the proponents tell the public, "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol," I think they are confusing or misleading the voters.  I wish, oh do I wish the was some sort of initiative petition complaint form I could fill out with the same Secretary of State to prevent this violation of our constitution.  Oh wait there is!  Below is the link everyone feel free to write in and complain to the Secretary of State about the confusing and misleading marketing of this lie. 

https://docs.google.com/viewer...

SenorSenor
SenorSenor

why? you refer to them as criminals all the time.

Jaded
Jaded

Medical marijuana laws stay around even if initiative 30 passes.  Caregivers operating legally will be able to continue under amendment 20.  What's wrong?  Drug dealing donkey afraid you'll lose rest of your customers?  Donkey won't be able to sell to rec users that don't have cards anymore cause they can buy it from a store hassle free?  Donkey want prohibition to continue so donkey can make some money?  Ahhh...that felt good.  Eat it up donk...chew chew chew

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Typical shill for the greedy big $$ dispensry industry -- referring to Patients/Caregivers operating under Amdendment 20 as "black market marijuana dealers"

Jaded
Jaded

Profit much from prohibition? I think your opposition to initiative 30 is financially motivated. Black market marijuana dealers seem to voice the most opposition to initiative 30, followed by prohibitionists.

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