Aurora theater shooting prompts volleys from pro-gun, anti-gun forces

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Louie Gohmert.
Whenever there's a shocking example of firearm mayhem like the shootings at the Aurora Century 16 theater, it doesn't take long for those on either side of the pistol-availability argument to start trying to make ideological points. Prime examples: Texas Representative Louie Gohmert, who wondered why no one in the theater had a gat other than the killer, and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which hurried out an Aurora-themed fundraising appeal.

According to the Mediaite post linked above, Gohmert was interviewed as part of a Heritage Foundation radio program called Istook Live!, featuring host Ernest Istook. When he was asked about the attack at the midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises, the rep rambled a while about how the event signified the collapse of our nation's Judeo-Christian values before saying, "It does make me wonder: With all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

Is he blaming the victims for not being strapped? Each person will have to decide that for himself.

Meanwhile, the aforementioned Brady Campaign sent out the following -- and while the text doesn't specifically mention Aurora, the accompanying photo and text makes it impossible to miss the connection.

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In case the print is too small for you to see in the image above, the text of the appeal reads:

When I heard the news this morning, first I felt tremendous sadness for the victims' families. But then I felt enormous anger. Anger because once again America's horrendous gun laws have robbed Americans of our basic freedom -- the right to live in safety.

It's time to tell our elected lawmakers -- Expressions of sympathy are not enough: We demand action!

Add your voice now!

Sign our petition to Congress!

Then forward it, forward it, forward it!

I urge all Brady Campaign members to sign this petition and send it to everyone they know to sign, too.

Easy availability of guns is now a national crisis that MUST be addressed.

When it is no longer safe to take our children to see a movie or send them to the store for a pack of Skittles, it is beyond time for America to stand up and demand Congress take action.

Please act today. Sign our petition then get out there and get more signatures. With one voice, we will be heard.

Sincerely,

Dan Gross, President
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

The timing of this e-mail seems designed to take advantage of people's anger. But there's every chance the wounded, not to mention the friends and family of those who didn't survive, will feel angry as well -- angry at any organization, be it on the left or the right, that tries to turn their loved ones into political pawns less than 24 hours after the bullets began to fly.

Here's audio of Gohmert's interview.

More from our Television & Film archive: "Aurora theater shooting & disgusting questions about The Dark Knight Rises box office."


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Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

Take all the guns away from the law abiding citizens in Aurora,

so the niggers can REALLY take it over !

Sure this happened by a white guy, but who holds the edge when it comes to violent crimes in Aurora ?

It sure the hell isn't white,  medical school drop outs.

The only people who would abide by such laws are the ones who NEED protection.

Had this happened in Denver, there is no telling if this thing would still be going on full throttle !

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Here's an excellent example of guns being used for self-defense --

 

**** NY cop shoots and kills son ****

 

July 21, 2012

 

(AP) OLD FORGE, N.Y. - State troopers say a police officer in New York shot and killed his son, mistaking him for an intruder.

 

Troopers say Parry Police Department Officer Michael Leach called 911 to report the shooting early Saturday. He was staying at the Clark Beach Motel and shot someone he believed to be an intruder. But the man turned out to be his 37-year-old son, Matthew Leach, according to the Syracuse Post-Standard.

 

Troopers say Leach used his department-issued .45-caliber Glock handgun in the shooting. He was hospitalized after the shooting.

 

**************************************

 

Remember, trigger-happy cowards shoot first.

 

rvs44
rvs44

Gun owner here and wow!.. People sure do take things to extremes on both sides of the issue.. But when talking about the shooting in Aurora I think the biggest issue is mental illness, and no amount of gun laws for or against is going to change that... 

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

I was drunker than three hundred Indians when I was run over by a train, severing my left leg, in 1995.

We should outlaw trains and Bombay Sapphire while we are at it.

Put cellulite on that list somewhere,  as well..... 

TrollPolice
TrollPolice

In case you had not noticed, Donkey is what they call an internet troll. The more actual fact and intellect you bring into the discussion, the less they bring.  But they are quite good at name calling, and baseless conjecture.

Pete
Pete

Don't sit here and try to alter the discussion into some thing that now makes you look a little more reasonable.  In your first post you made it VERY clear that you believed all pro gun advocates were in your words "Pro-Gun Loons"  I believe that there should be moderation to some degree. But if I want to go to the gun store as a reasonable adult, and law abiding, tax paying citizen and purchase either a handgun or assault rifle., I should be able to do so. I feel that if i have to wait 7 days to be checked that i'm not some kind of extremist, have ties to organized crime(i.e. gangs), or have mental issues, then that is fine, because it is for the safety of the public. But to say "you can't own a gun, because some guy in Colorado shot a bunch of people" is not right. If you have that belief system, why not try to outlaw cars because every year 40,000 people die in car crashes. By your thinking, people obviously can't handle driving so let's take that right away from them, for the "overall safety of the public". Or how about outlawing alcohol again, seeing as how there are 75,000 alcohol related deaths a year? You don't seem to see that making something illegal will only worsen the problem, it will open up a black market for prohibited items, which only makes it easier for people/groups like this to acquire all the weapons they want without the government knowing,  it will also make organized crime stronger, as well as stripping the rights of citizens, and cause the U.S. to lose much needed tax revenue. 

Pete
Pete

I believe you missed the whole point... Where there is a will there is a way... We are not children that need to be coddled, well perhaps you are. But don't judge ALL people based on the actions of a few... thinking like that shows how narrow-minded you truly are.

Pete
Pete

Remember that not all "LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS" are capable of an act like this. This should in no way be used as a argument against current gun laws. This person has serious issues, and if a gun was not available, who knows what he might have used. A simple online search will provide a treasure trove of information to people hell bent on destruction. Perhaps we would have had another Oklahoma City bombing? The thing is, he was determined to take lives, simply taking away law abiding citizens rights will not solve the problem. If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns. The fact of the matter is, people have the right to defend themselves, whether it be an intruder, someone like this in public, or an increasingly controlling government. Our founding fathers saw the 2nd amendment as a vital way to protect and secure the rights of all citizens. These men had such foresight that they were able to create a country that has lasted well over 200 years. Quite simply, it is arrogant and foolish for you to imply that you know what's better for the republic, and try to change, or take away rights guaranteed to every citizen of this country.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @rvs44 

 

Logic FAIL!

 

How many mentally ill people in the U$A manage to commit mass murder with Full-Automatic Machine Guns or Grenade Launchers or Shoulder Fired Missiles?

 

Do you think if the strict laws against such weapons of mass destruction were NOT in place, and they were as ubiquitous as the 200,000,000 personal firearms in the U$A that the nutters like Jared Lee Lougher and James Holmes would instead chose to use weak-ass handguns, rifles and shotguns?

 

 

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @TrollPolice 

Aren't trolls little boys ?

He appears to have wandered where the 'Big Boys' play.

I imagine it's only a matter of time before the true identity of "Guest" is revealed via a Chris Hansen interview...

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @TrollPolice 

1st off, having police in your login, puts your opinion and credibility w/ that of a pedophile.

Like we are all too stupid to know that you AREN'T either top or bottom,  ''Guest''...

FOREVER BALLESS I SEE.....

NickatNight
NickatNight

Cars serve a purpose beyond inflicting physical damage. @Pete 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Pete 

 

So, in Pete's world, there would be NO RESTRICTIONS on any Weaponry, Full-Auto, Grenades, etc.

BikingDen
BikingDen

'Our founding fathers saw the 2nd amendment as a vital way to protect and secure the rights of all citizens.'

 

You mean the amendment that was passed to support the revolution against us Brits 250 years ago? Yeah, just so you know, we're ok with you guy's being independent now, you can lower your arms....we did, like 100 years ago.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Pete 

 

Timothy McVeigh ... another "law abiding gun owner", a "patriot" and a "soldier's soldier".

 

He should not be used as an argument for restricting the availability of ANFO explosives to any citizen that wants a truck-full!

 

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Those strict laws only increase the value of grenade launchers and full-auto weapons, they don't make them less available. Many people own military weapons, both legally and illegally, thank you for pointing out that they are rarely used in crimes. 

rvs44
rvs44

 @DonkeyHotay 

"How many mentally ill people in the U$A manage to commit mass murder"

Only the mentally ill commit mass murder....  No rational sane person would do such a thing..

Pete
Pete

 @NickatNight Guns can serve many purposes, home defense, hunting, and there are actual firing ranges that people shoot targets for sport. You defend the right to have cars, but you overlook the point that having a car is a still a privilege. Don't believe me? Get pulled over without a license and see what the cop tells you. If you live in a state like Arizona then you can't have insurance without a license, now you will be driving with no license and no insurance. That is a one way ticket to jail. What about alcohol? Where is your defense of that? I love how you like to pick and choose what points you like, all the while skipping the points you can't argue, like the fact that the prohibition of guns will only cause more crime like the prohibition of alcohol did. The outlawing of guns will allow the mafia, or worse, drug cartels or terrorists into the new black market of illegal weapons. Which will in turn, will  cause more violence with those organizations fighting for control of this lucrative new market. Next time why don't you think about your stance a little more before you start trying to speak about a topic you obviously know nothing about. If you did, you would know that the the main point isn't the outlawing of cars, it's that we should not outlaw the possession of guns. The point about the car was merely to illustrate the point of how ridiculous it is to outlaw everything in the name of protecting people. 

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 Nice to see the red coats still have an ego, we really appreciate you allowing us to lower our arms. Following your lead is what Americans are most concerned with, not defending ourselves against tyranny.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jonnyr1 

 

The "Founding Fathers" who kept, bought, sold, abused and raped their Negro slaves ... then proceeded to commit genocide upon the Native American population for the next few hundred years.

 

Some "heroes", eh?

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @DonkeyHotay 

That was my main gripe when it came to the lone interview.

I have serious questions regarding his sincerity and actual intent,

when addresseing guns in America.

I'll admit,  I'm extremely uncomfortably in the presence of any guns.

At the same time,  I sleep much better knowing my roommate disagrees...

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey "Or they commit additional crimes to afford the overpriced weapons. Much better."

 

So guns should be free ... lest the criminals commit auxiliary crimes in order to purchase their guns ...

 

LOL!

 

Have you gone completely MENTAL ?

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jonnyr1 

 

Those really wealthy maniacs ... like the villains of James Bond ... or the dastardly Doctor Evil ...

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey "Yes. I don't think ..." " I don't think..."

 

So noted.

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 Or they commit additional crimes to afford the overpriced weapons. Much better.

BikingDen
BikingDen

 

Right. They just magic ridiculous amounts of money from the air...ofcourse! They're maniacs!

 

Please, you sound like a reasonably educated person. You increase the cost of something, it's harder to get. You make things cheaper, it's easier to get.

 

It's very simple.

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 Yes. I don't think maniacs are concerned with savings, and I don't think maniacs care where they get the money to pay for weapons. Those are concerns a rational person deals with. Soooooo, if you think restricting rational people somehow effects maniacs, then you are right on track. 

BikingDen
BikingDen

 

Soooooo you increase the cost of grenade launchers and auto weapons....soooo less people can afford them....soooo less chance of a maniac buying one.....

 

Did I miss something?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @rvs44 

 

So the U$ Military is mentally ill, being they slaughtered 100,000+ innocent civilians -- women and children included -- in Iraq, and continue to slaughter innocent unarmed civilians in Afghanistan to this day, eh?

Troof
Troof

 @DonkeyHotay Wait, are you begging for the government to tax and regulate something??

 

Hey, look everyone - it's a fucking hypocrite!!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @punkindoodle367 "Driving isn't a constitutionally protected right. BAM!"

 

Neither is the unrestricted, unlimited possession of firearms.

 

BAM! BAM! BAM!

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jonnyr1 

 

It really isn't -- in practice anyway -- as the Gun Loons themselves will be the first to deny "other people" the "right" to possess.

BikingDen
BikingDen

Owning a gun SHOULDN'T be a constitutionally protected right. BAM!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey " Registration, licensing and insurance is in place for profit, none of them make anything safer."

 

Do you live on Planet Earth ? 

 

.

BikingDen
BikingDen

 @Pete It was unfortunate that you felt the need for an 'lol' at the end of your grammar speech.

BikingDen
BikingDen

 'Hitler had gun registration, why do you want America to act like Nazi Germany?'

 

I enjoyed this comment much.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Because it's not true. Registration, licensing and insurance is in place for profit, none of them make anything safer. You can't buy accountability or responsibility, and anyone who uses a gun on someone is held liable, for self defense or murder. Hitler had gun registration, why do you want America to act like Nazi Germany? Drivers of cars cause many more accidental deaths in America than gun owners, in fact, more people accidentally die from drowning than they do from firearms. No laws or bureaucratic bullshit will prevent crazy people from killing innocent people, no matter how much paperwork you throw at them. You are responsible for yourself, if you think a man with a gun might harm you, learn to defend yourself, don't pretend paperwork or police will do it for you. Your fears can't be wished away, confront them, go to the shooting range and learn how to use guns responsibly, you might even have fun, shooting is a great hobby.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @juan_leg 

 

Where in the Second Amendment does it exclude the homicidally insane, or convicted felons, or exclude those under 21 years old?

 

 

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @DonkeyHotay  @Monkey 

And this is only the beginning of gaining control.

I believe in the right to bear arms,

but w/ the screening and waiting period to reflect the recent horror movie scenes.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

Registration, Licensing and Insurance do make the public roadways safer -- via accountability, responsibility and liability.

 

How could you pretend to ignore that incontrovertible truth?

 

.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jonnyr1 

 

Gun Crazed Americans -- cowardly fear-soaked milquetoasts -- will always ignore and deny the uncomfortable reality that the Nation with the absolute highest number of firearms per capita also has the highest rate of Homicides by Firearms in the developed world.

 

Like a junkie who blames everything and everyone else but their addiction to drugs for their misery, so goes the fearbag U$A.

 

.

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Pete 

 

Keep caressing your precious pistols ... they will protect you from your demons and fears.

 

 

BikingDen
BikingDen

From the UK (live in Denver). I can attest that prohibition of guns has definitely not caused more crime in the UK. And that I feel more unsafe in a country where anyone could own a gun.

 

I think you miss the point. A gun is designed to damage, a car is designed to get you somewhere, those are significant differences and you can't compare the two. Otherwise, hell, lets compare unhealthy eating and guns, yeah both kill people, great.

Pete
Pete

 @Monkey  @DonkeyHotay Thank you Monkey, finally someone with some sense. Not only common sense, but some sense of sentence structure as well... lol

Pete
Pete

 @DonkeyHotay Is that the only point that you can make? I have yet to see any of your posts have any basis in factual statistics. I like your "BAM".. as if you made this great point. lol Unlike the so called "gun loons" your argument is all over the board. You went from wanting no guns at all, to wanting mandatory licensing, registration and liability insurance for all guns. It's easy to see how quickly you sell out your beliefs to suit an opportunity. Even if all that was implemented, I'm sure you still wouldn't be happy because you have no conviction to your beliefs. You merely go along with the crowd so as to "fit in". If you have children, I feel bad for them because you are a slave to what is popular at the moment, and odds are, you are teaching them to enslave their minds as well. It's people like you that make this such a restrictive country. At one time we were a great nation, one that stood up for people's rights. We were once admired by all other countries. Thanks to people like you we are now considered the bullies of the world. We now feel the need to tell everyone how to run their country and what rights their citizens should have, and how they should behave. One day a country such as China or Russia may take exception to that, and we may see our allies slowly turn against us, as we continue to push what you think are "values" on the world. No great country lasts forever... they have all fallen. The reason being is those countries began to decay from within. People like you are a cancer that kills individuals rights and freedoms. There may come a day that this country is invaded by hostile forces, be it our army or another country's. And only then will you possibly realize the consequences of your beliefs.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay  Why? Does registration, licenses and insurance make cars safer? Do they prevent people from driving into movie theaters? How would those things stop crazy people from shooting innocent people?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Pete  @NickatNight 

 

Only daft gun-loons attempt to equate automobiles with firearms ...

 

... BUT since THEY bring it up -- all automobiles require mandatory REGISTRATION, all drivers require mandatory LICENSING and both require mandatory LIABILITY INSURANCE ...

 

So it's time for --

 

-- MANDATORY REGISTRATION of ALL GUNS!

-- MANDATORY LICENSING of ALL GUN OWNERS!

-- MANDATORY LIABILITY INSURANCE for EACH GUN!

 

Bam !!

 

 

BikingDen
BikingDen

It's not a pleasant way to live. Although I do actually work entirely with Americans and pretty sure they're not out to kill me...and any pre-determination has come from my experience here in the past 3 weeks. I've never been to the US before (although I have been to 30-40 other countries in the world).

 

'Nothing happened to you except self induced fear.' So a natural thing then.

 

 'I can't answer your question because I don't know what I would do, I react to every situation differently.' So you may well have acted in exactly the same way I did. Except you judge me on my actions without knowing the details.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @Monkey  @jonnyr1 Monkey, we're going to feature this reply to jonnyr1 as an upcoming Comment of the Day. Thanks for taking part in the conversation.

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 Nothing happened to you except self induced fear. I have lived in the US for much longer than 27 years and have not encountered a situation like that, and no one has pulled a gun on me either. I have seen more violent behavior during an Amsterdam trip than I have ever seen in America. I can't answer your question because I don't know what I would do, I react to every situation differently. You however, have pre-determained Americans will kill you, not exactly a pleasant way to live.

BikingDen
BikingDen

That has never happened to me in the UK. I've lived there 27 years, I've lived here 3 weeks.

 

And honestly, I've completely lost all respect for any of your comments after that. What would you have done? A while guy on the floor in agony and blood with 4 black dudes around him? Please tell me. Hell yes I was scared.

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 And the UK is more dangerous. You are afraid of what might happen instead of what actually happens. Your brain is the cause of your fears, not guns. Walking through life with your head down, fearing those around you must suck. Maybe that guy started a fight and lost, but you were too scared to comprehend the situation. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

Would you prefer to LIVE in a culture where you were more likely to be the victim of "violent" crime -- assault, battery, etc --, or one where you were more likely to be the victim of a homicide by firearm?

 

Have you been getting drunk on banana wine again, chimpy?

Monkey
Monkey

You know the answer to that question. I would defend myself from any violent criminal the same way, whether they plan on hurting or killing me. I prefer defending myself less, not more.

BikingDen
BikingDen

Ok, I feel the need for another comment. I just walked home down Larimer (tonight). There was a guy on the street, I assumed was drunk, as I appraoched it became clear he had been beaten up, and the people that had beaten him up were around him. One of them tried to talk to me, I ignored him, if I had talked to him, I assume I would have been beaten up. Or shot. Beaten up OR SHOT. Because of this, I didn't help the guy. I walked on, with my head lowered. I met a guy who was calling the police, and left them to it.

 

If I was in the UK, this would have been different.

 

The USA is dangerous.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jonnyr1 

 

Its retrograde, barbaric Death Penalty ain't no peach either.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

So the original question stands -- would you prefer to live in a place where you were more likely to be "assaulted" ... or more likely to be MURDERED by a Firearm?

 

Your choice -- drunken beer fights at the local pub ... or DEATH.

 

What say ye?

BikingDen
BikingDen

 

One last thought, I'm visiting the US, I hardly know which way to hold a gun let alone shoot one. If we are to defend ourselves in this country, do we need gun lessons, and to be issued with a gun before we enter? This would make things more equal...

 

And what a beautiful message it would give out to the world.

BikingDen
BikingDen

Cultural lesson: Please, please, please do not quote the Daily Mail. The Times, Independent or Guardian fine. But not that shit.

Widely regarded in the UK for being completely wrong with statistics, and news for that matter. And it's from several years ago anyway.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

 

'It seems people with the freedom to own more guns are less violent.' There are violent people all over the world, I'd just rather they didn't have a gun. 

 

Anyway, this is probably me for now. But if you could answer my question Monkey: would you rather be alive after violent crime, or dead?

 

I know the UK isn't a safehaven of crime, I've lived in central Manchester, but it definitely gives you peace of mind that someone's not going to pull a gun out on you. You can run away!

 

I hope in time you realise that the way to defeat violence is not in everyone having an inherently violent weapon, but in no-one having an inherently violent weapon.

 

We are moving on in Europe, and eventually the US will follow suit. I just hope it's sooner rather than later before more people get killed. And not even getting into the powerful firearm industry and the politics they control.

 

In many ways this country is extremely progressive, in it's gun laws, it is archaic.

 

Adios.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay I have a little updated info for you Donkey, at least more updated and accurate than yours.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609. The total number of violent offenses recorded compared to population is higher in the UK than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

BikingDen
BikingDen

Monkey, are them Canadians at it again? Damn those Northern Tyrants and their mounties. Quick, everyone own a gun, I suspect they're coming for our wives and children.

 

Punched in the face, shot in the face, punch in the face, shot in the face.....of course I'd rather have cake, but in the absence of cake I'd take a punch to a shot.

 

Monkey, would you rather be alive after violent crime, or dead? And, since gun laws have become tighter, violent crime has actually fallen. Our murder rate is the lowest its been in 29 years.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales

 

 

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  @jonnyr1 

 

Pop Quiz -- Would you rather live in a place with a higher "violent" crime rate, or one with a higher violent murder by firearms rate?

 

Take your time, it's an open book test.

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @jonnyr1 It was sarcasm. We still have tyrants we need to defend ourselves from even though we won our independence. You are correct about Americans killing each other with guns, we do that allot, but last time I checked, the UK had a higher violent crime rate than the US per capita. The lack of guns do not reduce violent crimes, at least not in the UK.

BikingDen
BikingDen

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.

 

But sure, carry on as you are.

BikingDen
BikingDen

T'was irony...nevermind.

 

'Following your lead is what Americans are most concerned with, not defending ourselves against tyranny.'

 

Sorry. I didn't get this bit. Do you mean following our lead in banning firearms?

Would most Americans be concerned that seeing a gun/hearing of gun shots/hearing of people being shot is almost completely unheard of? 

 

In 2009, 39 people in the UK were killed by a firearm. In the US it was 9,146. You can add the differences in population to that...still doesn't look great.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @juan_leg 

 

As long as your roommate doesn't one day disagree with you ...with extreme prejudice.

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