James Mapes may not be charged for bringing openly displayed gun into movie theater

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Update below: Moments ago, we reached James Mapes, the man who was arrested late last night for visibly wearing a weapon into a Thornton movie theater. Mapes has a concealed-carry permit and says he wasn't attempting to garner attention for Second Amendment-related subjects by wearing a gun in plain sight. He blames the concern that he generated, and his subsequent arrest, on "that jackass in Aurora."

"It wasn't really a political statement," Mapes says. "I just went to see a movie. But it's a political statement that one madman out of four-and-a-half-million people shouldn't be dictating to the rest of us that we should stay in our houses."

According to Mapes, he's a regular patron of Cinebarre, which he's been visiting since it opened several years ago, as well as a movie fan in general; he goes to shows every week or two, he estimates. Moreover, he frequently carries a gun with him when he does so. In most cases, the weapon is covered, but not always, depending on the time of year and the amount of clothing he's wearing due to the weather, and he says he's never before had a problem or caused concerns.

Because last night was warm when he got home from work, he showered and donned shorts and a T-shirt. He declines to provide the full slogan on the shirt, which starts with the word "LIBERALISM," but insists that his attire wasn't politically calculated, either. The shirt was handy, so he threw it on without giving it much thought, never believing that it'd imply he'd set out to be arrested, and headed to the theater to catch The Watch, a new comedy about neighborhood watch volunteers confronting aliens that stars Ben Stiller and Jonah Hill.

By the way, Mapes notes that he saw The Dark Knight Rises, the film that was screening during the Aurora theater shooting, on opening night at the same Thornton theater where he came into contact with cops last night. He was viewing it during the attack across town, and says he was carrying a gun then, too.

The gun was visible last night, Mapes acknowledges. "The only thing I could have done is untuck my T-shirt," he says. "But it's the size of a brick, so obviously you're going to see it. But then somebody calls the police because they're all paranoid about what happened."

Judging by his tone of voice, Mapes is frustrated by being charged with a municipal violation for doing something that he's done countless times before without the slightest trouble. Still, he doesn't express regret for bringing a gun with him -- although he concedes that "if I'd been thinking about it, I probably would have worn a different shirt."

By the way, the allegation against Mapes concerns carrying a weapon into a venue that serves alcohol. We didn't get the chance to ask if he'd thought he was breaking the law during his previous visits to the theater when he ended the call.

Update, 12:24 p.m. July 30: A short time ago, we spoke to Officer Matt Barnes, spokesman for the Thornton Police Department, about the arrest of James Mapes for investigation of possessing a dangerous weapon in a liquor and beer establishment. Barnes says the city attorney is currently looking at the case to determine if any charges will be filed -- and there's every possibility that the entire matter could be dropped despite the turmoil it caused at the Cinebarre theater last night.

Barnes says a Thornton ordinance targets individuals who display a dangerous weapon (the list even includes air guns and slingshots) "in a manner calculated to alarm another person." And there's no question that Mapes's presence at the theater wearing a gun in plain sight did just that. According to Barnes, seventeen officers responded to the call "in light of recent events," evacuating nine theaters and dealing with a number of panicky patrons -- some of whom returned to the venue after police took Mapes into custody.

However, Barnes adds that Colorado "is an open-carry state," and the city attorney could determine that this status supersedes the local ordinance, particularly given that Thornton doesn't have an open-carry rule, as does Denver. Instead, Thornton businesses can post information informing customers that weapons are off-limits -- but since Cinebarre didn't do so, that couldn't impact any case against Mapes. And because the element of the potential charge regarding liquor and beer is what Barnes terms "a sentence-enhancer," it wouldn't apply if the dangerous weapons charge is found to be a non-starter.

A determination about charges could come later today or shortly thereafter. And if the city attorney feels Mapes's actions were lawful, even if they were ill-timed, no charges will be pressed and, Barnes says, "we'll just look at everything else that happened as unfortunate."

Look below to see our earlier coverage.

Original post, 7:34 a.m. July 30: Last week, we told you about an arrest at a Los Angeles movie house in the wake of the Aurora theater shooting, prompted by fears that the man in question had a gun (he didn't). But there doesn't appear to be any doubt that James Mapes was armed. Mapes's weapon is said to have been in plain sight when he was busted late last night at Thornton's Cinebarre -- and he may have been trying to make a political statement.

According to a news release sent out by the Thornton Police Department just after 1 a.m. this morning, officers were dispatched to Cinebarre, 10001 North Grant Street, at about 10:15 in reference to a ticket buyer with a handgun strapped to his waist line, in what the department refers to as the "open-carry position, visible to others."

In response, officers quickly evacuated several theaters as a precautionary measure even as they searched for the 48-year-old Mapes. He was subsequently taken into custody regarding possession of a dangerous weapon in a liquor and beer establishment and released on a municipal summons.

A number of questions are left unanswered by the information made public to date. For instance, does Mapes have a concealed-carry permit? And if so, did he violate that permit because the weapon was in the open-carry position? Did he buy, or try to buy, a ticket for The Dark Knight Rises, the film that was screening during the massacre at the Aurora Century 16? And then there's the matter of what slogan adorned the T-shirt he wore at the time of his arrest. As you can see by the full-size photo below, the word "LIBERALISM" stretched across his chest:

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James Mapes.
Common T-shirt designs that start with the word "liberalism" include "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," "Liberalism is a Disease" and "Liberalism Destroyed America."

Note also Mapes's Facebook page, which features plenty of images like this one:

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There's also a specific reference to the Aurora theater shooting, shared about eleven hours ago at this writing. The post reads, "Hey, I got an idea! We can get James Holmes a bath with these guys. If he's crazy, he'd do it -- if he refuses we know he's sane and can get on with the hanging. Either way, we get rid of him." Here's the photo:

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We've requested more information from the Thornton Police Department. When and if a representative gets back to us, we'll update this post.

Update: Still haven't heard back from the Thorton Police Department on the arrest late last night of James Mapes for wearing a gun on his waistline at a movie theater. However, we did manage to track down a Denver Post letter to the editor he wrote in March, which argues passionately in favor of carrying concealed weapons and maintains that doing so could prevent mass shootings. Here's the letter:

Your editorial falls short of the mark for common sense. The courts upheld the law -- surprisingly not, in this case, electing to legislate from the bench. The facts around concealed-carry permit holders show that those who obtained permits are not irresponsibly committing crimes. Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.

Jim Mapes, Northglenn

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guest
guest

People are so critical about the victims in the theater shooting -- why didn't they notice something was wrong sooner, why didn't anyone stop him, etc...

 

Now, someone calls the cops because this idiot brings a gun to a theater and he's mad about getting stopped?  He should THANK the cops for doing their JOB.  I applaud the person who called the police in this case.  He wasn't doing anything illegal but what if the cops had done nothing and this guy was a psycho copycat? 

 

 

mertes012
mertes012

In an open carry state, openly carrying your handgun is not considered cause for alarm. Not only should he never have been arrested, he should file suit against the police department who took the illegal action of taking him into custody for an action that does not constitute a crime.

Ron Howard
Ron Howard

He must have been wearing his "Bad Idea" jeans that day. Well he DID get his picture in the paper so maybe that was his fifteen minutes?

Jim B Bochenek
Jim B Bochenek

Minorities are killing their own people on a daily basis. The media only sensationalizes what they want you too see, makes you live in fear, and makes you spend money on stupid useless things. Get with the program sheeple!

rvs44
rvs44

Seems like he had his brains in a holster as well..

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Imagine how busy the Police will be from now on, when EVERY gun-loon sporting a CCW lump in public gets phoned into 911, and the cops are forced to respond en masse as a "potential homicide about to happen" ...

 

... bet that'll change the CCW and Open Carry laws !

 

Monkey
Monkey

I love guns, but I also agree with the anti-gun loons below. You don't carry a gun into a place where guns are prohibited, meaning clearly stated signs. Just like you don't bring alcohol into a place that prohibits alcohol, no matter if you agree with it or not. This is Colorado, you can usually find a venue for both. My right to carry a gun doesn't take away the rights of others, responsible gun owners respect everyones rights, if you post signs prohibiting firearms in your establishment, a respectable gun owner will keep the gun in their car if they want to use your services. Reactionary responses from both pro-gun and anti-gun loons are inappropriate, no one needs guns thrown in their face and no one needs to blanket ban guns just because someone went crazy and killed some people.

Monkey
Monkey

@guest

Hide your guns, or stupid people will call the cops on you, not because you're breaking the law, because they don't know the law. Is that the message guest? When you get arrested for repeatedly reporting false crimes, I will be sure to comment about it, good luck.

 

guest
guest

 @mertes012 They were investigating a report that someone brought a gun into a theater.  Do you think the cops should have said "meh, he probably has a permit for that," and done nothing.... REALLY?? 

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @mertes012 Thanks for sharing your thoughts, mertes012. Appreciate the post.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

Which is why James Holmes "caused no alarm" with all those weapons and ammo ...

 

... until AFTER he began firing.

 

BAM!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @rvs44 

 

Unloaded ... locked in the trunk of his Buick.

whobear
whobear

@KennethConway Very mature

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 What they should change is the ignorant prespective folks like you have an the issue.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @Monkey When I read the comments in the DP, I see none from "anti-gun loons" proposing to ban all guns; what I see is that the minority of posters who express any concern that guns are an instrumentality allowing people to commit acts of great violence (Holmes allegedly killed twelve and wounded fifty-one; he didn't just kill "some people") or propose any restriction of any kind whatsoever  are roundly condemned by people who seem to believe that the Second Amendment is holy writ.

Monkey
Monkey

The update indicates no signs were up prohibiting firearms. The reactionary anti-gun loons caused this problem, not guns. This should remind us, inanimate objects are not the cause of or solution to crazy people acting crazy.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

Reporting to police that there is a Gun-toting Loon in public ain't "false reporting" ... it's FACT.

 

hth.

mertes012
mertes012

 @guest

 Yes. You DONT need a permit for open carry. Is that the point you're missing here? Everyone that is not specifically denied the right to own a gun has the right to open carry without a permit. Everyone in that theater has the right to watch a movie with a gun on their hip. so yes REALLY, they have no reason to check it out.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 James Holmes was different and you well know it. There is a difference between a man openly carrying, buying movie tickets and popcorn, and a man decked in body armor, armed with an AR, an 870, and two .40's. Behavior is everything and gun laws in this nation acknowledge that fact as well.

Monkey
Monkey

 @RobertChase Ok....Thanks for your observation, I guess. Please don't feel the need to inform me of other comments you have read, although I'm happy others respect the 2nd amendment.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

"reactionary anti-gun loons caused this problem" = the Thornton Police ?

 

So you prefer the Police to ignore all future calls of OPENLY ARMED fools attending public movies ?

 

Noted.

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay  Guns are a crime now? Keep calling the cops and you will be arrested for an actual crime, and the "gun toting loon" will be ignored. Cry wolf too many times, guess what happens. 

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 So you concede that James Holmes behavior was different? Finally. As for Jared Laughner, perhaps you cna provide a link that details his behavior and how he handled the gun, because I can find nothing that describes how he handled the gun. What I can say, is that he probably didn't walk into his target area with it secured in a holster so he buy The Dark Knight on DVD. The story makes it sound as if he showed up with gun in hand firing. As you now know, gun in hand is considered brandishing and a threat.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

How was Jared Laughner's behavior different ... before he began firing in Tucson ?

 

Be specific.

 

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 That's right. Were I "fondling" my gun in front of people, that could be considered a crime. You advocate no self defense or guns. Why do police have guns? Why does our military use guns. To defend against those who might do us harm and sometimes, guns are necessary. That is a point you seem to consistently ignore. Which is it? No guns for anyone ever in any circumstances? or acknowledging that guns have their place?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

So that the next person who sees you fondling your pistol prepares their weapon for use against YOU, eh numbnuts?

 

Firefight at the OK Corral !

 

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @mertes012  @DonkeyHotay I think I've got it:  when I see someone armed in public, I am not to worry.  If they brandish their weapon, I may start to worry, or prepare to shoot them.  In my free time, I can clean and fondle my gun.  Brave New Colorado!  I am not entirely clear on why we should adopt the lifestyle of the inhabitants of Somalia and Afghanistan -- perhaps you can elucidate.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 When they are brandishing their weapon, you can worry, or prepare your own weapon for use.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Taking his gun from him and hitting him on the head with it is more my style.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

So there, Lone Ranger, you gonna quick-draw on the perp -- after he's got the gun in hand -- and save the day?

 

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay One of them will unholster their gun and point it at someone. Before that happens, you should trust your fellow citizen, unless you believe in guilty until proven innocent.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

It's the Nuts WITH the Guns that present a problem.

 

Pop Quiz -- How do you tell an Armed Gun Nut about to commit murder from an Armed Gun Nut who ain't killing today?

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay You can fear people all you want, but fearing guns is irrational. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

And how -- exactly -- does a citizen differentiate between an armed gun nut  carrying in public who's about to commit mass murder, and the armed gun nut who on this given day does not intend on murdering anyone?

 

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @RobertChase Silly me, I thought the subject was a guy legally carrying a gun had the cops called on him because anti-gun freaks are still reacting to a crazy man that killed some people, and their reaction is all guns are bad, even when holstered.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @Monkey You posted "reactionary responses from both pro-gun and anti-gun loons are inappropriate ...", I pointed out that the only reactionary comments seem to be coming from gun freaks, but you seem to have forgotten the subject at hand.

Monkey
Monkey

 @guestCall the cops on everyone, I don't care. The police will note you as a person who falsely reports crimes, then you will be arrested, good deal for everyone.

Monkey
Monkey

 @guest  Call the cops on everyone, I don't care. The police will note you as a person who falsely reports crimes, then you will be arrested, good deal for everyone.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 You miss the point, just because you may not get your gun out in time, doesn't mean people should simply give up trying. Where would we be if our attitudes were like that? "Well, we might not win this war, so we shouldn't try." or "Well my food isnt as good as that chefs on TV, so I wont cook for my family..." Now it all comes together. Those with gun-phobias just want everyone to not try. That attitude makes no sense. Maybe you wont draw faster than the guy approaching you, but it's better than not being able to anything about it.

guest
guest

 @Monkey I'm not waiting until the guy with a gun reaches and points the damn thing at me to call the cops.  I'm calling the cops when I see a gun-- let them figure out if the guy is allowed to carry it.  How the hell do I know this guy has a fucking permit???

guest
guest

 @Monkey I live in Aurora and you can bet your ass if I see some dude with a gun in a movie theater, I'm calling the cops.  How the cops deal with it is between the gun owner and the cops. 

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 If it was in his holster, I would wait until he either removed it from the holster or threatened me in some way. Any responsible gun owner would do the same.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 That's true. Open carry is not a criminal activity no matter how you try to twist it.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 "who'd DELIBERATELY and OPENLY carry a loaded firearm into a crowded movie theater"Since that is legal, it is his right to do so, and I would encourage everyone to do the same as a show that our rights won't be extinguished.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 If the law defined "brandishing" as merely exhibiting your weapon, we wouldn't have open carry states now would we Donkey?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012  "What if you were at a cafe fro example, and someone started walking toward you with a gun. Would you still be so anti-gun?"

 

What if you were in a crowded theater, and some Ape with an "I'm an Idiot" T-shirt started walking toward you with a gun ... in open carry.

 

Would you wait until he drew and began firing at you?

 

Would your imaginary super-hero powers protect you then?

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

You never heard of a Terry Stop ?

 

 Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)

 

The U$ Supreme Court held that police may briefly detain a person who they reasonably suspect is involved in criminal activity;

 

The Court also held that police may do a limited search of the suspect’s outer garments for weapons if they have a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the person detained may be “armed and dangerous”.

 

When a search for weapons is authorized, the procedure is known as a “stop and frisk”

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

My wish is that you, unarmed as always, run into someone like them one day. Maybe then you'll change your mind. You have never thought of the possibility? What if you were at a cafe fro example, and someone started walking toward you with a gun. Would you still be so anti-gun?

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 Funny, you seem to disagree but offer no explanation why. It is not legal for police to even request your ID if your openly carrying your firearm.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 " Im a loser by legal definition now. Aw shucks."

 

Your words.

 

Noted.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 " I would rather have armed citizens around me, than anti-gun, anti-military, anti-police freaks like you."

 

Jared Laugher and James Holmes were "armed citizens"

 

May your wish come true.

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 "An open carry state dictates exactly that....that police should ignore anyone openly carrying a firearm"

 

LOL! ... good one!

 

Keep 'em coming! 

mertes012
mertes012

 @Monkey

Oh man, sorry. I totally misread that. I would like to retract my completely ignorant statement and instead direct it towards santadog, to which you were replying.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

Glad you placed it in such an "objective" perspective.

 

How about the attitude of a no-neck knuckle-dragging Neanderthal wearing a Teabagger T-shirt that identifies him as a low-grade moron, who'd DELIBERATELY and OPENLY carry a loaded firearm into a crowded movie theater just DAYS AFTER a similar gun-toting idiot committed mass murder?

 

No suspicions there? ... being he's a member of your "species" ?

santadog9
santadog9

Gee, that's for the advise.   You sound like you have a small penis.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 HipTip: The law defines it as I wrote it. Do you have some contrary evidence. This is why open carry does not constitute brandishing.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 Body armor isn't illegal, but when you see a guy suited in it with a shotgun, rifle, and handguns, you might have an idea something is up.Attitude is all the difference. Handguns on the hip should not be suspicious, andits a sad state of affairs when they are.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

He's one of your foaming-at-the-mouth gun-loon compatriots ...

 

... you must be proud of Neanderthals like James mApes and Mertes.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 = Legal FAIL ... Again!

 

HipTip: The LAW defines what Brandish and Flourish are per criminal statute, not your irrelevant dictionary.com copy.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 = legal fail.

 

Try getting LEGAL definitions from STATUTE, and not the dictionary.

 

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @mertes012 

 

Is body armor illegal ?

 

So it's ok to report and act upon the suspicious -- but legal -- wearing of body armor ... but not upon the suspicious -- but legal -- wearing of firearms in a public movie theater?

 

Please, do tell, what *is* the difference?

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @mertes012 I'm on your side, perhaps you should re-read my comment and what I was replying too. You confused illegal with legal, calm down.

mertes012
mertes012

 @Monkey

 Where does Matt barnes says it is illegal? According to Colorado state law, it is not illegal to carry firearms into an establishment that serves liquor. Perhaps YOU should read anything from google on the subject before commenting.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

WRONG AGAIN! Exhibiting a weapon is not brandishing. That is why open carry states exist idiot. 

Brandish: Wave or flourish (something, esp. a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.

 

Flourish: A bold or extravagant gesture or action, made esp. to attract the attention of others.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 I would rather have armed citizens around me, than anti-gun, anti-military, anti-police freaks like you.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 Brandish: Wave or flourish (something, esp. a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.

 

Flourish: A bold or extravagant gesture or action, made esp. to attract the attention of others.

 

So by definition...carrying your gun in your holster is not included in these descriptions.

 

You would think someone using these words to prove a point would understand what the words meant.

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 His ahotgun and rifle were loaded and at least one was in his hands for starters

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 Yeah right.Holmes was decked out in body armor in the concession line. He even asked me to hold his gas canister so he could grab a straw and I obliged.You daft little idiot...You can;t see the difference?

mertes012
mertes012

 @DonkeyHotay

 Yes. Criminals don't openly carry their gun on their hip as they buy popcorn. An open carry state dictates exactly that....that police should ignore anyone openly carrying a firearm. The problem here is that people are becoming unused to firearms in public and it's seen as a bad, villianistic action to carry yours openly.

_Joe_
_Joe_

 @DonkeyHotay That's not true.  Those weapons were legally PURCHASED, but he was carrying them ILLEGALLY.

 

Check your facts.

nope
nope

 @DonkeyHotay "If you want to wallow in gun-loon orgy of public firearm display, move to Afghanistan, Somalia or Iraq."

 

Again, this guy was acting within his rights so I'm happy with American gun laws, provided they are upheld, and happy living in America.  It's you that are unhappy with the U.S. gun laws so why don't you move to Mexico if you hate guns so much?  After all Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world (yet has a ton of trouble with guns).  I don't believe in cruelty to animals so I should take it easy on you especially after the thrashing Monkey gave you.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay  I know guns scare you, but orange hair and funny t-shirts too? Are you still looking down at peoples feet for shoe bombs?  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

So if mApes dyed his hair orange, donned a mask, put on his best Teabagger T-shirt -- "Don't Retreat - Reload!" and was sporting multiple 15 round Glocks on his belt, with spare mags for each ...

 

... neither you nor anyone else should notify the police ... until he actually begins firing, eh?

 

And since Colorado is a "open carry" State, you'd also sit passively by if he were openly carrying a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun over his shoulder.

 

You're starting to sound as intellectually depraved as IcePick.

 

What the fuck is your mental malfunction re: guns and the nutters who covet, caress and carry them?

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  @santadog9 

 

It's the animate Apes carrying those inanimate objects that warrants the concern.

 

hth.

Monkey
Monkey

 @santadog9 Not according to Officer Matt Barnes, try reading the article first, then comment. Maybe your fear of inanimate objects are clouding your comprehension skills.

santadog9
santadog9

 @Monkey It's illegal to carry a gun in an establishment that serves alcohol.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nope 

 

If you want to wallow in gun-loon orgy of public firearm display, move to Afghanistan, Somalia or Iraq.

 

Remember -- Jared Laughner and James Holmes were "LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS" ... right up to the moment they pulled the trigger.

 

HipTip: Cops DO stop SUSPECTED drunk drivers based upon their public behavior, some of whom may not be drunk.

 

Better safe than sorry? ... or better society suffer public slaughters so you can entertain your pathetic firearms fantasies ?

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

You really going to continue to pretend to be the obtuse oaf ?

 

The ONLY salient thing observable to THE PUBLIC at either the Laughner or Chase mass murders was that they WERE CARRYING FIREARMS in PUBLIC ... same as this Neanderthal Loon.

 

No citizen in that theater knew what Chase was planning in his mind -- before he began shooting -- as no one knew what this ARMED no-neck ape with the "I'm an idiot" T-shirt might have been planning in his festering little mind.

 

No wonder you feel the need to carry firearms with you everywhere you go ... you ain't got the common sense god gave a chimpanzee.

 

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Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Kind of like what Holmes did, not Mapes, right? A pistol on the hip is not brandishing, but it is a diversion from your ability to argue a topic.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey 

 

Wrong again, chimpy.

 

Brandishing -- flourishing -- does not require "threatening to use" the weapon.

 

The mere EXHIBITION of the weapon is sufficient.

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nope "So being armed makes you a suspect...for what?"

 

Of being a NUT with a GUN ... just like Laughner or Holmes ... or this Neanderthal Mapes.

 

hth.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay "legally carrying his guns", I don't think so Donkey. You can't carry guns in your hand, you can't carry a gun in that specific theatre, hand guns have to be on your hip, long guns can't have one in the chamber, you can't brandish any weapon, you can't plan an attack on people, you can't attempt an attack on people, you can't carry explosives. Mr. Holmes broke allot of laws before he pulled the trigger, this poor guy wasn't doing anything illegal.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Pointing was an example of brandishing for anti-gun loons like you. Basically, you can't threaten to use the gun for  the propose of scaring someone. This man was not brandishing a weapon.

DonkeyHotay
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 @Monkey 

 

Brandishing -- or Flourishing -- does not require the gun be pointed at someone, under the law.

 

You'd think that someone who "loves guns" would actually be versed in the law.

 

Typical Gun Freaks, like Bible Freaks, don't actually know what they yammer about.

 

 

 

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 @DonkeyHotay 

 

Yes...let's arrest every person walking around because they could be seen as potential rapers, robbers, arsonists, drunk driver, and so on.  Guns were banned in the theater Holmes attacked so he was committing a crime before pulling the trigger moron.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nope 

 

What crimes were James Holmes or Jared Laughner committing ... before they actually pulled the trigger?

 

 

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 @DonkeyHotay

 

So being armed makes you a suspect...for what?  What crime was committed?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey "reactionary anti-gun loons should stop calling the police when they see a man legally carrying a gun"

 

You daft little monkey -- James Holmes was LEGALLY CARRYING his guns ... right up to the moment he pulled trigger!

 

May the next gun carrying psychopath come upon YOU and YOUR FAMILY, while other citizens DO NOTHING to pre-emptively report it.

 

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 @DonkeyHotay  

 

So @DonkeyHotay  you support the arrest of people that aren't breaking any laws?  Since there was no sign posted prohibiting firearms in the building and since open carry is legal in COLORADO it seems he was wrongfully arrested.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Police should respond to the public, and reactionary anti-gun loons should stop calling the police when they see a man legally carrying a gun. Brandishing a gun, meaning pointing it at someone, should be reported because it's illegal. Seeing a gun on someones hip is not a cause for alarm. Now you understand why people try to conceal their firearms, ignorant people scared of a tool will call the police on them if they don't.

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