Marijuana community divide on Amendment 64 deep, wide, often nasty

Yes_on_A64

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There is no divide. You need to look at exactly who the opposition is. The only people fighting against A64 are people profiting from the black market. Dispensaries with over inflated prices due to prohibition are working hard to get people to vote against it to protect their profits.

The only people against it are MMJ dispensaries and illegal weed dealers.

When MMJ patients have the choice to pay $300 per ounce from an MMJ dispensary, or $150 an ounce from a legal store, the MMJ industry will be ruined. They know they will be undercut by legal marijuana so they are using scare tachics to get patients to believe that A64 will mean ruin for all MMJ patients. Also, why go to a doctor for a recomendation when MJ becomes availible over-the-counter? All the MMJ doctors will have to find new work. They will lie and cheat the people of Colorado to protect that paycheck.

The truth is that MMJ patients have a lot to gain if A64 passes. Cheaper medicine, larger selection, and easier access. On top of that, they will have perhaps 500,000 recreational smokers protecting access.

Voting YES on A64 is good for Colorado. Good for medical MJ patients. Good for good people.

Juan_Leg topcommenter

May i inquire on the availability of the bud

pictured in the article ???...

Juan_Leg topcommenter

Donk ,

How do I edit again after posting ?

I'm receiving too much shit over my grammar

mistakes and I will take the extra time / the software .

Thanks Bud !

IcePick

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@Juan_Leg you delete and then re-post

Juan_Leg topcommenter

w/ the software .

savethelakers

I have come to the conclusion that many of the No on 64 supporters are not those who are for the responsible use of cannabis anyway so who needs 'em. Many of them live in a world where magical ferries and quadracorns roam free and where it is not necessary to live within societal norms or live within the realities of our legislative process.

There is no alternative, all the stuff that happened to Amendment 20 is somewhat inevitable because there are fear-mongers who will do anything to stop these cannabis legalization initiatives from becoming a reality. Perhaps when we get rid of the medical-only restrictions those opponents will see the support for cannabis goes well beyond only medicinal use and that might give them some pause.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@savethelakersWhy is marijuana so harmful and dangerous that all adults < 21 should be denied any legal access to it, not a single gram or plant, as A64 denies them?

Why is marijuana so harmful and dangerous that A64 seeks to REDUCE the possession limits to only 1 (one) ounce when existing Colorado Statute already decriminalizes 2 (two) ounces for recreational use?

Why is marijuana so harmful and dangerous that no adult over 21 should be allowed to grow more than 3 flowering plants, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment, as A64 maintains?

Why is marijuana so harmful and dangerous that NO ADULT should be allowed to sell any amount whatsoever -- not even a single gram -- to another consenting Adult, under criminal penalty of arrest and prison, as A64 maintains ?

The only thing that you are showing "opponents" of marijuana is that it is so dangerous and harmful that it must be fully regulated, restricted and controlled by the Government -- just like Deadly Alcohol.

Stay the Course, numbnuts.

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @savethelakers "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@IcePick The notion that you Retreat and Step Backwards, surrender all Control to the Government, offer them Unlimited Taxation, and abandon 40+ years of work trying to promote Marijuana as a harmless plant that never killed anyone by conflating it with Deadly Alcohol all for a pathetic ounce and 3 plants is idiotic, pro-law enforcement and self-destructive.

-- Donkey

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@ Charles Gleason said:

But the westword has lazy journos so they will keep calling it regulation of marijuana like alcohol because...well they are lazy. Dont believe me here is how it will apper on the ballot Use and Regulation of Marijuana. http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/timeline/current.html

But hey Michael Roberts is lazy so you get regulation of marijuana like alcohol. Great reporiting Mike one day you will be a real journilist just keep typing the propaganda and hell maybe GE will hire you to report on wars.

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Strong words Charles ... that's got to be Comment of the Day.

syngiamilton

@DonkeyHotay

http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/titleBoard/filings/2011-2012/30Final.pdf

Seems to say it will be treated like alcohol. Maybe not the title but in the text of the actual part you read.

IcePick

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@DonkeyHotay "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@IcePick

The notion that you Retreat and Step Backwards, Surrender all Control to the Government, offer them Unlimited Taxation, and abandon 40+ years of work trying to promote Marijuana as a harmless plant that never killed anyone by conflating it with Deadly Alcohol all for a pathetic ounce and 3 plants is idiotic, pro-law enforcement and self-destructive.

-- Donkey

mendobruce

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I haven't heard any reasons to oppose A64. Unlike the bill in Washington state, this seems to be a small step at any rate. I agree it is NOT an end to prohibition, but it is a reasonable start and doesn't criminalize those who are currently legal. (This was the problem with Washingtons I-502 and California's Prop 19)

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mendobruce"I haven't heard any reasons to oppose A64"

So you'd put any turd into the State CONSTITUTION, no matter how ineffective, dysfunctional, unworkable, retrograde and legally meaningless it is, eh?

HipTip -- the State Constitution is not a White Board for some clueless fools to fiddle-fuck with a bunch of hare-brained untested ideas.

If you want to LEGALIZE Marijuana, then LEGALIZE IT!.

Dipshits like you would have attempted piece-meal side-steps to end Segregation, by voting for idiotic decimated measures that would allow Up to Six Negros -- no more than three of whom are Adults -- to ride in the front of the bus.

A64 does NOT legalize marijuana -- not even close

A64 will NOT reduce any Arrests of real-world Marijuana Users or Growers

A64 will NOT allow ANY sales between private consenting adults

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @mendobruce "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@IcePick

The notion that it's better to Retreat and Step Backwards, Surrender all Control to the Government, offer them Unlimited Taxation, and abandon 40+ years of work trying to promote Marijuana as a harmless miracle plant that never killed anyone by conflating it with Deadly Alcohol, all for a pathetic ounce and 3 plants is idiotic, pro-law enforcement and self-destructive.

-- Donkey Hotay

Berton

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A64 wouldn't help this guy either:

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A convicted Montana medical marijuana provider with a history of serious illness died Thursday after his transfer to a federal prison that could give him proper medical care was delayed for months. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ex-medical-marijuana-provider-dies-in-custody-3828112.php#ixzz254iPAQ1q

Bananergize

Because we can't have the exact law we want the first time (this never happens. ever.) we don't want it at all!I understand there are problems with A64, but carrying on in your ridiculous idealistic fashion will never help the movement.The people of Colorado would never vote for a bill that said "All residents 21+ may cultivate however much marijuana they wish"This is never going to happen - never - yet you insist that you wouldn't vote on a bill unless it was included?I don't understand you people. And I don't trust you.And I don't really like the Westword parroting unsubstantiated claims that A64 would affect Hemp. This is baseless bullshit fearmongering.The for-profit marijuana soldiers (read: early adopters of the MMJ industry that think they're owed something) and the over-idealistic are going to torpedo any attempt at progress just like California.

The claims that this wouldn't reduce marijuana arrests is also baseless and bullshit - where are you people getting this from?Shameful. If I had any reason to ever come back to these comments I would welcome debate - but I'm just gonna hope I catch one of you deluded hippies in the wild so I can tell you to your face how stupid you are.Vote YES on A64 to show everyone that marijuana reform is coming - whether you like it or not.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Bananergize A64 will show everyone that Marijuana is too Harmful and Dangerous for ANYONE under 21 to be allowed ANY LEGAL ACCESS whatsoever, not a single gram, not a single plant.

A64 will show everyone that Marijuana is too Harmful and Dangerous for anyone over 21 to be allowed to possess more than 1 (one) ounce.

A64 will show everyone that Marijuana is too Harmful and Dangerous for anyone over 21 to be allowed to grow more than 3 (three) flowering plants.

A64 will show everyone that Marijuana is too Harmful and Dangerous for any adult to be allowed to sell a single gram to another consenting adult.

With "reform" like yours, who needs prohibition?

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @Bananergize "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

Donna Rae Zuniga

Where do you stand on Domestic Violence? Let them get away with it or....put them in jail?

Juan_Leg topcommenter

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Would sell my soul to the Devil , if he existed .....

IcePick

@Juan_Leg He does, what is your asking price?

Berton

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"Regulation Works", yeah, right:

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_21430513/missed-deadline-leaves-boulder-pot-business-bind

"It's like they're looking for a 'gotcha,'" said Ed Jabari, general manager of the Village Green Society, 2043 16th St. "You cannot make one mistake in this business."

michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Berton Interesting story, Berton. Thanks for the link.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Berton ... Regulation works GREAT ... for the Regulators! ... who are paid by the $$$$ they extort from the fools.

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @Berton "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

the420rev

the real problems are the people, especially signing and helping get signatures for the ballot, if all of you worked as hard to help the other initiatives as you all do bitching and complaining there would be legalized weed already it only takes 50 signatures gathered by 2000 people to get on the ballot, Just a FYI

michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@the420rev Even I can do that math, Rev. Thanks for weighing in.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@michael.roberts Yet you can't "do the math" on the absurdly false claim by the A64 liars that it would "instantly reduce" marijuana arrests by "10,000 or more" the first year.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@IcePick

The notion that it's better to Retreat and Step Backwards, Surrender all Control to the Government, offer them Unlimited Taxation and Regulation, and Abandon 40+ years of work trying to promote Marijuana as a harmless miracle plant that never killed anyone by conflating it with Deadly Alcohol, all for a pathetic ounce and 3 plants is idiotic, pro-law enforcement and self-destructive.

-- Donkey Hotay

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @Juan_Leg "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@Juan_Leg It's still a FUCKING LIE no matter how you phrase it.

Juan_Leg topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Arrests and citations were counted together .

Charles Gleason

No the A64 campagin is lying to you and the people at Westword are too lazy of Journilists to call A64 by the proper title which is Use and Regulation of Marijuana. Any comparison to regulation like alcohol was stricken by the title board as confusing and misleading to the public. But the westword has lazy journos so they will keep calling it regulation of marijuana like alcohol because...well they are lazy. Dont believe me here is how it will apper on the ballot Use and Regulation of Marijuana. http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/timeline/current.html But hey Michael Roberts is lazy so you get regulation of marijuana like alcohol. Great reporiting Mike one day you will be a real journilist just keep typing the propaganda and hell maybe GE will hire you to report on wars.

cashed

Donkey are you going to KYS when it passes?

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@cashed ... and miss all the Gloating and Told You Sos as A64 FAILS to reduce ANY arrests/prosecutions for marijuana, and fails to generate a single retain tax $, and fails to produce a viable commercial hemp industry ??

Wouldn't miss it for anything.

IcePick

@DonkeyHotay @cashed "the notion that it's better to keep marijuana 100 percent illegal for non-medical use because we'd like it to be 100 percent legal without any sort of regulation is counterproductive and irrational" - Tvert

Berton

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We'll show you "nasty" Westword. Just get Mason Tvert, Brian Vicente, Betty Aldworth, Josh Kappel or any of the other official "spokespersons" for A64 to participate in a public debate with any one of their detractors in the legalization movement. The A64 crowd refuses to debate the issues and Westword is their puppet by blindly repeating the lies they spew without question. C'mon Westword, let's get nasty! Donkey Hotay vs. Mason Tvert -- in public! Better yet, how about Donkey Hotay vs. Peter Lewis or George Soros. They are the real "brains" behind this operation anyway. You could sell tickets to make up for lost dispensary ad revenue.

Anyone who won't publicly debate their cause is trying to hide something.

leon

@Berton

great idea. why not a scheduled e-debate right here on livefyre?

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@leon Livefyre sucks eggs. There were better comment systems back in 2001.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Berton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBIkTSVFVxk

Berton

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@DonkeyHotay More like Red Wings vs. Pee Wees

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104347/we-are-the-champions

A64 goons are amateurs.

michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Berton @DonkeyHotay Nice South Park link, Berton. Thanks.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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A64 = a Continuation of Criminal Prohibition, with extra restrictions and taxes added.

A64 does NOT legalize marijuana -- not even close

A64 = a FRAUD promoted by LYING LIARS who are paid to promote their amoral LIES.

The Prevaricating Pimps promoting A64 have been caught COLD habitually lying during their campaign of deception -- they LIED about an endorsement from the Colorado Democratic Convention, they LIED about Pat Robertson and fabricated his endorsement without his permission, they LIED when they claimed it would prevent 10,000 arrests annually, they LIED with outrageous disregard when they published their bogus economic study, which was based upon total fraud.

-- A64 will provide ZERO reductions in arrests for possession under its paltry 1 (one) ounce limit, further restricted to those over 21 yrs old, as Colorado Statute has since 1977 decriminalized the possession of marijuana, including those 18 yrs old and up, and current Statutory recreational decrim is set at up to 2 (two) ounces -- twice the amount allowed by A64 and without the arbitrary age restriction.

-- A64 will provide ZERO reductions in arrests for cultivation, as its absurd, unsustainable puny limit of only 3 (three) flowering plants does not incorporate or cover any real-world marijuana growers. There have been no reported incidents of anyone over 21 being arrested or prosecuted for growing only 3 flowering plants.

-- A64 states that ALL SALES between private consenting Adults will REMAIN ILLEGAL!! Arrest reductions for Sales = ZERO !!

*** Total savings in Arrests or Prosecutions under A64's absurdly restrictive, dysfunctional and unsustainable limits = ZERO !! ***

The outrageous deliberate habitual lies and deception being used by Tvert, Vicente and the others behind the pathetically vacuous A64 would make Karl Rove blush with shame.

The promoters of this Festering Turd should be prosecuted for FRAUD!

IcePick

the420rev

see i can easily defeat you both, i simply used your division and internal issues, to make you attack me and completely forget about a64 LOL if i can do it with no psychology training i would be very scared of this world if i was you two. I mirrored your childish tactics to expose you and prove my self in the same argument LOL