Medical marijuana report proves Colorado MMJ being illegally diverted, advocate says

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Not all of the incidents tipped the scales at this level, Gorman concedes. "There's a whole series of reports about people getting medical marijuana off of Craigslist," including one Denver Police Department sting in which the seller is said to have admitted, "I was just getting greedy."

In Gorman's mind, such motives explain why diversion takes place despite regulations intended to prevent that from happening.

"There's no way to make regulations so tight that it stops diversion unless the State of Colorado ran the dispensaries," he feels. "That's because you have a profit motive. And when you have a profit motive, that means you have to sell as much product as you can sell, and get as many customers as you can get. If you don't do that, you're going to go out of business.

"There are probably some very legitimate people who believe in what they're doing," he maintains. "But this is a good indication of what we really have out there."

Moreover, Gorman thinks the situation would grow infinitely worse should Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act, be approved by Colorado voters in November.

"There would be much more of a supply, and you wouldn't have to allegedly have medical cards to buy," he says. "So you could have tourists come in from all over the country to buy their marijuana here -- and even if there are rules about possession of an ounce or less, you could go to different retail stores. And there's no limitation on how much you can grow. So I believe Colorado would become a real mecca for marijuana sales and trafficking for the rest of the country. We're already seeing that."

He points to a series of quotes from law enforcement officials across the country that conclude the report. For instance, Virginia Commonwealth University Police Department Assistant Chief Christopher Preuss writes:

Currently, you hardly see any Canadian marijuana in Richmond, Virginia, if at all. Everything I am coming across is from either from Colorado or California. The money is out there and the "medical marijuana" industry makes it profitable for the growers in CO and CA to ship to states where the drug is illegal and in demand. It was being shipped via car/truck, UPS, USPS, FedEx and shipping containers to name a few.

"California has always been considered the source state," Gorman allows. "But we're starting to see that Colorado is either rivaling California or in some cases passing it as a source state."

Gorman stresses the preliminary nature of the new study. "We will eventually do a more complete report and try to get more examples," he says. But even if "Colorado 'Medical' Marijuana," subtitled "Are Regulations Working or is 'Medical' Marijuana Being Diverted?," merely scrapes the surface of the problem, as he contends, he argues that the document contains more than enough data to muzzle the pro-medical marijuana crowd regarding diversion.

"How can you make a blanket statement that this is not happening?" he asks. "There's no evidence to support that it's not happening, and now we have evidence that it absolutely is happening."

Here's the report.

Rocky Mountain HIDTA Medical Marijuana Report

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Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

"'There was one about buying 200 pounds of marijuana from a dispensary,' he says, referencing a West Metro Drug Task Force investigation in which an undercover officer claiming to be from Pennsylvania said he wanted to sell the pot out of state."

This is not an indication of existing crime. It's indication of pigs manufacturing crime.

I like how they put "medical" in quotations in the enclosed report. Pricks!

Reality_Check
Reality_Check

Get back to School, fool. Donkey is correct. Learn cause versus effect.

COlady
COlady

Mr Roberts please get us the answers to these questions ASAP.

1. How long has this RMHIDTA existed, and how is it funded?

2. What percentage of the funding is used on Marijuana? what percent on Meth(the biggest problem in the rural areas)? what percentage to heroin (on the rise yet again)? what percentage to cocaine (do people still use coke?)? and most importantly what percentage to diverted and illegally prescribed opiates ("legal" drug mis-use has increased 300% in the past decades)?

3. What is the aim of this study, and how long will it continue to be (tax-payer?) funded?

stay on this until the truth prevails. 

 

jerry
jerry

This illustrates the point that the clueless drug policy wankers who wrote Am. 20 and Am. 64 are setting up a scenario of good pot smokers vs. bad pot smokers, with the good "compliant" "legitimate" pot smokers actually funding law enforcement to go after the bad "non-compliant", "illegitimate" pot smokers. Oh for the daze when we were all bad pot smokers and MMIG and Brian Vincente and Mason Trvert weren't running around trying "make law enforcement's job easier" by handing them funding to continue the war on "bad"pot smokers.

 

Stop giving these people money! Boycott the registry, boycott dispensaries, burn your red card and vote no on deceptive Am. 64. Simple prohibition at this point is preferable to all of this complex prohibition, with more rules to violate and more ways to go to jail, and more money to fund the cops to do it.

SeedyWard
SeedyWard

Another narc shovels out some self-serving propaganda. This is news? We know their interests are threatened by the continual loosening of cannabis restrictions. Their own profits are at risk.  Soon they may face layoffs, pink slips, early retirements. Welcome to the real world, narcs!

coloradommjpatient
coloradommjpatient

How many beers or scripts are "diverted" everyday? What a WASTE of time and resources. 

AnAdult
AnAdult

I'm encouraged by Mr. Gorman's report. If so many people are seeking Colorado kind bud, then Americans may not be as stupid as I thought.

AnAdult
AnAdult

I think the two biggest questions regarding Mr. Gorman's "research" are;

 

1) Who the fuck cares?

 

2) What fucking difference does it make?

lawrenceherbert
lawrenceherbert

Americans across the country appreciate Colorado Cannabis and exercise their reasonable and well founded choice of Marijuana, a nonlethal time tested alternative to Alcohol, Tylenol, and a host of potentially lethal, dehabilitating and addictive Prescription drugs.  Cannabis needs to be regulated and tolerated, ending the fraud of prohibition.  

dillweed
dillweed

Like I said before, I know of 3 dispensaries that ship over state lines to keep afloat. The market is over saturated and prices are super deflated rendering indoor growing operations unprofitable. I also know of about 15 people who have no medical conditions that warrent MMJ and just like to get high. I know about 80% of MMJ patients use their card as an insurance policy against the law. 60% of MMJ patients grow themselves to supply others without cards and others over state lines.

Matt_in_Boulder
Matt_in_Boulder

As expected, the anti-A64 PR machine is cranking up and the LEO community (including Donkey Hotay) is leading the charge.  Did I miss the special report on "medical" pharmaceutical drug diversion?  Hidden safely on the AG web page is this little nugget:

 

"Ready access to prescription drugs has fueled this rising trend among youth over the past decade. From OxyCotin to Vicodin, young Coloradans have ready access to potent drugs often inside their own homes. According to the 2008 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, nearly 82 percent of people across the county reporting prescription-drug abuse said they obtained the drugs from a friend or relative for free."

COlady
COlady

what nobody at westword could reach JS or NA  for a quote on their plans? usually those guys live for publicity. 

nope
nope

point #1 - as long as people can turn dirt into gold, getting hundreds of dollars per ounce for dried cannabis flowers, "marijuana" will continue to be illegally trafficked.

 

point #2 - medicines supplying the recreational market is nothing new and is to be expected.  100% of all recreational pill popping narcotic users get their pills from illegally diverted prescribed medicines implicating doctors and pharmacists in drug trafficking.

 

point #3 - marijuana was illegally trafficked out of Colorado before medical marijuana laws existed so who cares what this nobody with his pseudo study thinks

 

point #4 - the illegal trafficking of guns out of Colorado is a bigger problem that is more deserving of prohibitionists' attention--fyi Mexican cartels love Colorado's gun exports

420colorado420
420colorado420

Is Agent Gorman double dipping on one of those retirement pension waivers that lets him draw a salary despite being retired on a pension?  The man is on a crusade from god and needs to be put out to pasture.

spencer.justin
spencer.justin

the real question is "do we want to go back the the way it was before medical?" no, then this report needs to be burned and never mentioned again!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

The report overlooks the BIGGEST DIVERSIONS that take place EVERY DAY --

 

-- every honest participant in the MMJ industry knows that the VAST MAJORITY of "patients" are merely recreational stoners hiding behind the pretense of medical necessity, abusing the spirit and intent of Amendment 20 simply to get high.

 

"Medical" Marijuana in Colorado is a SHAM and a FRAUD.

 

Incontrovertibly so.

 

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School
School

 @DonkeyHotay You are a fucking moron if you think hard-to-find growers like this guy are driving down prices. Growers like him were happy to be selling herb at $50 an eighth, $300-$350 an ounce up until three years ago when dispensaries came in to the picture and the small growers had to compete. 

 

NO PRIVATE GROWER wanted to drive down prices so they could make less money off of the same clientele base.... lol.  Anyone who says differently doesn't know any growers, hasn't been paying attention and clearly has their head shoved far, far up their fucking ass.

 

Dispensaries could operate with lower prices because they sold opening and in volume to the general public. No need to know someone who knows someone with a dispensary. That's why any grower still operating in this state on any level is shipping their herb east where it still has some value. 

 

Get back to us when YOU understand SIMPLE supply, demand and the free market in the cannabis trade. Or at least when you meet some real growers, because clearly you don't know a single one you fucking poseur. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @AnAdult So you do care ... and it does make a fucking difference.

 

Noted.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @AnAdult That's a succinct way to put it, Adult. Thanks for the post.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @lawrenceherbert 

 

Why would a "harmless miracle plant that never killed anyone" need to be REGULATED by the GOVERNMENT?

 

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SeedyWard
SeedyWard

 @dillweed Of course MMJ patients use their cards as insurance against busts! That is half the damned point ,after all. It's about time people had some protection against narcs.

nope
nope

 @dillweed 

 

Hey shamwow, 100% of your stats are fictitious!  Regardless, you have made it clear that you and the bulk of your associates are frauds.  Please relay this info to your doctor at your next visit and see how it goes...

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @dillweed Interesting post, dillweed. We're going to make it an upcoming Comment of the Day. Thanks for sharing your experiences and observations.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Matt_in_Boulder 

 

Typical stoner -- the subject is marijuana and they immediately divert and evade to alcohol or pharma ... anything to avoid discussing marijuana itself.

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @spencer.justin  Wrong question.

 

The Colorado MMJ scene was much healthier and peaceful BEFORE the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary cartels bum-rushed into the state like a bunch of carpetbaggers circa 2008, dragging law enforcement scrutiny, public backlash and political blowback upon their puerile clownery.

 

From 2000 - 2008, without IN YOUR FACE retail dispensaries, thousands of patients and their PRIVATE individual caregivers functioned just fine under the MMJ scheme.

 

Grow a brain.

 

 

 

 

nope
nope

 @DonkeyHotay 

 

Please don't generalize.  Medical marijuana is not a sham.  Some people abuse the medical program and abuse marijuana for recreation but that doesn't mean medical marijuana is a sham, just that some (maybe many?) people in the medical marijuana program are dishonest.  Go to a pain management clinic and you'll find the same thing...the only difference is they get their recreational drugs at a pharmacy instead of a coffee shop...I mean MMC.

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @School = Economics 101 FAIL!

 

The 50,000+ Private Patient Grower / Private Caregiver Grower market plus the unregistered user/grower market is 10x larger than what the few commercial dispensaries left standing are growing.

 

Add to that the GIGANTIC California and Oregon market surplus that is imported into Colorado by over 1000 lbs every month, and the dispensary chumps have no choice but to lower their prices to compete with that market.

 

NO COMMERCIAL DISPENSARY wanted to drive down prices -- they are in a for-profit greed-driven enterprise, with massive $$$ overhead to meet every month, overhead that Private Growers/Caregivers do not have to support, and therefore do not have to pass along those unnecessary costs to their customers.

 

You = an idiot's idiot if you think the paltry amounts produced in dispensary warehouses -- the tail -- wags the massive private/grey/black market production -- the BIG dog.

 

Grow a brain.

 

lawrenceherbert
lawrenceherbert

 @DonkeyHotay Reefer Madness is a result of an evil kabul composed of synthetic fiber manufacturers, wood paper promoters, and synthetic drug creators who realized their products were not competitive with Hemp's superior qualities and natural, non polluting cultivation and manufacturing.  

HOTEY: Your remarks are not only slanderous, but ignorant and bigoted as well.  Try making a contribution to the discussion.

dillweed
dillweed

 @michael.roberts

 Its not 2004 in Colorado anymore... $4800 Lbs all day back then.... If you pay more than $1500 for top shelf now days, you are getting custied. Luckily peole in Chicago, Philly, and NY don't know that. Kansas has caught on to the oversupply here in CO and has become a mega distribution center of pot in the US. Kansas boys make that 8-hour drive all day to load up. Middle men make 3x the money growers make at this rate if you think about it.

Matt_in_Boulder
Matt_in_Boulder

 @DonkeyHotay Is that why you always divert and evade to LSD or Psylosybin whenever the subject of marijuana toxicity is broached?

 

Since you like comparative analysis so much, you'll probably like this one from your friends at DP (not the DP you generally receive, dirty mind):

http://blogs.denverpost.com/health/2012/08/02/youth-tobacco-sales-colorado-beats-national-average/1474/

 

Ain't it great that "only" 8.5% of stores divert tobacco to underage smokers is considered a success story, while the bar for dispensaries seems to be set at 100% compliance?

nope
nope

 @DonkeyHotay

 

Agreed, dispensaries acting like Amsterdam "coffee" shops definitely has hurt the image of medical marijuana but that is not the cause of illegal trafficking of marijuana out of Colorado.  The recreational stigma MMCs helped create probably did fuel the hate that inspired Gorman to conduct this study though.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nope 

 

The "medical" marijuana "industry" in Colorado is a complete SHAM and FRAUD. 

 

-- no honest person involved in the "industry" would deny the incontrovertible fact that the VAST MAJORITY of "patients" are merely recreational stoners abusing the pretense of A20 -- to the harm and detriment of the few bona-fide patients who do need and use MJ for their pain and suffering.

 

Selfish stoners have NO CONSIDERATION for those they harm, their only objective is to get stoned, everything and everyone else be damned.

 

School
School

 @DonkeyHotay 

 

It's really too bad you're so self-absorbed that you can't see when you are SO FULL OF FAIL.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @School 

 

Damn boy, you are one obtuse clueless stoner, aren't you?

 

The greedy big $$ dispensaries were FORCED to reduce their prices to meed the demands of the exponentially larger non-dispensary supply market.

 

No commercial dispensary is happy about lower prices, they have no choice.

 

In the real world free from ignorant stoner delusions -- the dog wags the tail, not the converse.

 

School
School

 @DonkeyHotay  

 

"Add to that the GIGANTIC California and Oregon market surplus that is imported into Colorado by over 1000 lbs every month, and the dispensary chumps have no choice but to lower their prices to compete with that market."

 

SELF'D

 

Despite you're argument being off, you STILL ADMIT that without dispensaries dropping prices, things would have remained the same and private growers would still be charging 2007 prices to this day.  No private grower is happy at lower prices, despite your pathetically weak "no overhead" argument.

 

Maybe if you actually spent some time out with real people instead of every waking moment on message boards you would have learned all that by now.

School
School

 @DonkeyHotay 

 

You are fucking retarded-stupid and your argument fails. 

 

Please try again later.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @lawrenceherbert 

 

Why is Marijuana so harmful and dangerous that YOU beg the Government to REGULATE it ?

 

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nope
nope

 @dillweed 

 

@shamwow - $1500 per pound to the grower then the middle men take their cuts and it ends up being sold on the streets across the country at $6400 per pound, $400 per ounce...so how's this different than 2004?  It's the same old drug dealing system that's always been going down, you've just moved up the food chain.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @dillweed  

 

How much for 50lbs, double vac-sealed and ready for transport?

 

What flavors?

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Matt_in_Boulder 

 

A64 provides no functional reduction in restrictions for any real-world users or growers due to its absurdly puny limits of 1 (one) ounce and 3 (three) flowering plants.

 

A64 backslides from the current 2 (two) ounce limit that is already decriminalized for anyone over 18 under Colorado Statute to 1 (one) ounce and only for those 21 or older. Retrograde!

 

The lying liars promoting A64 have not been able to produce a citation to a single arrest of a 3-Plant Farmer in Colorado -- even though they made the ridiculously false assertion that it would prevent 10,000 arrests in Colorado ... every year.

 

Actual harm reduction to real-world marijuana users or growers = ZERO.

 

 

 

 

Matt_in_Boulder
Matt_in_Boulder

 @DonkeyHotay

Actually, I'm just asking them to reduce their restrictions.  They already REGULATE (artificially inflating prices along the way), RESTRICT (to the point of "zero" access), CONTROL (distribution to a relatively few large criminal enterprises), and TAX (us all to pay for their bogus "war").

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Matt_in_Boulder  still can't stay focused on marijuana.

 

Keep begging the GOVERNMENT to REGULATE, RESTRICT, CONTROL and TAX your "harmless miracle plant that never killed anyone" ... and see where that gets you.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nope 

 

Puerile Pot Clowns are as Puerile Pot Clowns do!

 

Reap what ye sow, Puerile Pot Clowns.

 

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nope
nope

 @DonkeyHotay 

 

Correct...a sham INDUSTRY which is why I quit purchasing medical marijuana.  I'd rather be burdened with growing my own medicine than line the pockets of those ripping people off and destroying the legitimacy of medical marijuana.  Medical marijuana prices should have never been set based on the street value of marijuana and marijuana retail stores should have never been modeled after Amsterdam marijuana retail stores.  If pharmacies charged street prices for narcotics and marketed them using girls in bikinis it would look like a sham industry too.  It's the wrong approach and the wrong way to proceed.

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