Weeds: Marijuana isn't medical

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Even before Weeds satirized Colorado's medical marijuana scene in 2010, the local MMJ industry has had a love-hate relationship with the Showtime program, whose run ends this season. However, last night's episode, spotlighted in a clip below, is likely to inspire only the latter reaction among folks in the biz thanks to an impassioned speech about how cannabis really isn't medical at all.

One of the ep's main subplots involves a tobacco company recruiting Silas (Hunter Parrish), hunky son of protagonist Nancy (Mary-Louise Parker), to help develop marijuana cigarettes in anticipation of pot someday becoming legal -- a timely topic given the presence on the November ballot of Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act.

Nancy ultimately opposes the deal, because should Silas get caught, the tobacco company rep says his firm will disavow any knowledge of his actions. But Silas feels differently. He says he's sick of pretending that the strains he's growing are medicine, because they're not. Rather, they're an illegal drug, and he's perfectly fine with that.

This argument has been central to the medical marijuana debate for years, with advocates stressing the many ways cannabis helps cancer patients like Larry Shurtleff and Bob Crouse and opponents insisting that for each patient who uses pot for medical purposes, there are many more who simply want to get high -- a desire unwittingly sanctioned by the state.

Granted, Weeds has given credence to the pro-health viewpoint this season as well, with Nancy briefly working in a hospital and arranging for cancer patients for whom other medication has been ineffective to get the marijuana they need without being gouged by the veteran employee who was dealing before her arrival. But last night's Silas speech is likely to echo longer in the ears of MMJ believers even as it gives comfort to those who've always seen the passage of Amendment 20 to be a backdoor route to legalization.

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malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16 topcommenter

* Nearly 2,000 young Australian adults (aged 20-24) were followed for eight years. It was found that marijuana had little long-term effect on learning and memory, and any cognitive damage that did occur as a result of cannabis use was reversible.

* Researchers categorized them as light, heavy, former or non-users of cannabis based on their answers to questions about marijuana habits.

 

* Prior studies have found that drug users do accurately report their consumption levels in surveys like this as long as anonymity is guaranteed and there are no negative consequences for telling the truth.

 

* Participants took tests of memory and intelligence three times over the eight year period the study. They were also asked about how their marijuana use had changed. When the results were at last tabulated, researchers found that there were large initial differences between the groups, with the current marijuana smokers performing worse on tests that required them to recall lists of words after various periods of time or remember numbers in the reverse order from the one in which they were presented.

 

* However, when the investigators controlled for factors like education and gender, almost all of these differences disappeared. The lower education levels of the pot smokers — and their greater likelihood of being male — had made it look like marijuana had significantly affected their intelligence. In fact, men simply tend to do worse than women on tests of verbal intelligence, while women generally underperform on math tests. The relative weighting of the tests made the impact of pot look worse than it was.

 

* Researchers then explored whether quitting cannabis would affect the one difference that remained, which was poorer performance by heavy users on a test that required immediate recall of a list of nouns. They found that heavy users who had quit by the end of the study were no longer distinguishable on this measure from those who had never used.

The authors, who were led by Robert Tait at the Centre for Mental Health Research at Australian National University, conclude:

"Cessation of cannabis use appears to be associated with an improvement in capacity for recall of information that has just been learned. No other measures of cognitive performance were related to cannabis after controlling for confounds."

 

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2011.03574.x/abstract

The research was published in the journal Addiction.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Breaking News from the Obvious is Obvious file -- 

 

**** Smoking marijuana regularly as a teen may lower IQ scores as an adult ****

 

Teens who smoke marijuana frequently are more likely to experience a long-term drop in their IQ, according to a new study.

 

That could be a potential pitfall for millions of teens, given recent estimates show about one in 10 teens in grades nine through 12 smoke marijuana at least 20 times per month. 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57501243-10391704/smoking-marijuana-regularly-as-a-teen-may-lower-iq-scores-as-an-adult/

 

 

Bill Black
Bill Black

Weed is a freakin weed. An easy to grow weed. Cheap to package, market, and sell. If we could get marijuana on the shelf right next to beer, it would be subjected to market conditions, like true competition, that would price marijuana just like beer. That is exactly what we want. Cheap, high quality weed, with a wide international selection available at the 7-11, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Just like beer. On every sack of weed in that 7-11? A Colorado State Tax Stamp. But as it is now, as a prescribed medical neccessity, the State of Colorado won't have a tax stamp on that legal marijuana. The marijuana will be priced ridiculously high, AND the State gets no tax revenues from its sales. Or sell it down at the 7-11, where it will be as cheap as beer, and the State gets the filthy lucre it needs to run the State? You decide. How? Vote you weed smoking mofo. Just do it.

Bill Black
Bill Black

Here's the goal: To have marijuana sold at 7-11 just like beer. And as cheap as beer. With an international selection. True, market place competition has reduced the price of medical marijuana to a serious degree in Colorado. The same can't be said about California. Prop 215 is called the "Compassionate Use Act of 1996." But an 1/8 of weed can cost as much as $80. That equates to an Oz = $640. How compassionate is that? It's not. Is it? Nope. Why so high? To prevent peeps from reselling it. There is no profit margin left at $80 an 1/8th.

Bill Black
Bill Black

Of course they do. Medical marijuana was and is a legal ruse to the ultimate goal of legalizing marijuana outright. Prop 215 in California is the same deal. However, when given the chance to flat out legalize it two years ago ... they blew it. WE here in Colorado will vote on issue in November. Please ... IF you like to smoke weed ... pretty please ... fuckin vote this coming election. Make a difference. Ok? Thanks.

Bill Black
Bill Black

Of course they do. Medical marijuana was and is a legal ruse to the ultimate goal of legalizing marijuana outright. Prop 215 in California is the same deal. However, when given the chance to flat out legalize it two years ago ... they blew it. WE here in Colorado will vote on issue in November. Please ... IF you like to smoke weed ... pretty please ... fuckin vote this coming election. Make a difference. Ok? Thanks.

Monkey
Monkey

Donkey? I know you missed the Westword blog over the weekend, but slow down buddy, your in defensive rambling mode. I know you like to argue for the sake of arguing but.........Why all the "dis-placed corn field" "save starving the children" bullshit? Corn took a big hit this year, farmers want/need to diversify just like investors. Hemp might rejuvenate farms that can't/couldn't make it, bringing farmers fields back to life, not dis-placing anything, only adding to our agriculture. Hemp could save/re-build farms, not just change the product successful farmers currently grow. Back to the topic of the article, I use weed to feel good. I don't care if you call it medicinal, recreational or just plain super dank. I don't feel I'm abusing any system of rules, I am using the system of rules allowed by voters. Grow hemp outside on a commercial scale to help the farmers who chose to work with it, and essentially wipe out outdoor commercial weed because of pollen. Indoor weed is better, no matter what anyone says, with a proper filtration system and some skill, the best weed on the planet can be grown with fields of hemp right outside the window. I say, keep our weed indoors and in small batches with higher quality than the swag in most dispensaries, and grow hemp outside, replenishing both farmers and the land.

tribune420
tribune420

I watched the videos, they are not saying what this article is purporting.

 

This blog is about shit lies. Go fk your self.  

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16 topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

 

Donkey Hotay is actually a lonely man named Greg Middlesworth who lives in Wyoming and runs a website called AmKon.net

 

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay more obvious news: Prohibition will always fail. So why do you support it?

 

Prohibition has been a slow but relentless degradation (death by a zillion cuts) of all our cherished national institutions, that will leave us crippled for numerous generations—Greg Middlesworth of 2710 Thomes Ave Ste 1462Cheyenne, WY 82001, You Fail!

 

Kwame
Kwame

 @DonkeyHotay You are way smarter than this. You could read a bullshit study. Or you could look at real life examples from your own experience. Like any honest and observant person, Im sure you know at least two successful stoners, to every one sober loser. Or you could keep saying dumb shit like "Lets speculate on how much smarter Carl Sagan would have been blah blah blah " 

jose257
jose257 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay  If the teens are cowering in fear from a tyrannical government ready to kick down the door while they're smoking this is probably correct.  If the teens are studying calculus and tensor analysis in between puffs then the opposite will be true.  For evidence take a look at Steve Jobs of Apple (who probably got his cancer from all that Mexcian pot from the 80s sprayed with long-term poison paraquat.)

 

leon
leon

 @Monkey 

 

maybe the a64 folks will work on "legalizing" hemp next so we can all get licenses to grow 6 plant hemp farms in our closets - rofl.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey "Grow hemp outside on a commercial scale "

 

Yes!

 

And Grow MARIJUANA outside or in greenhouses, under NATURAL SUN, not the environmental disaster that is indoor high-wattage artificial electric lighting.

 

... but don't be so daft to think that it will save "starving children" as the idiot Jose257 claimed at the beginning of this thread, or that it won't affect -- negatively -- the existing inefficient mess of first-use biofuel crops.

 

For every 100,000 acres of Hemp planted -- with all its benefits -- it displaces 100,000 acres of EXISTING farm crops, resulting in less supply/higher $$ for those crops.

 

Hemp won't "save farmers" once the agricultural production of it stabilizes anymore than soybeans or "organic" farming has "saved them" financially.

 

Neither will recreational marijuana -- once FULLY legalized -- will be produced on such scales as to be no more valuable than Tobacco as a crop, at $2 (two) per pound.

 

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @jose257 ... just imagine how much smarter Steve Jobs would have been if he hadn't been a teenage stoner.

 

The world might have had the iPod and iPhone 5 years earlier ...

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @leon  ... no more than 3 (three) of which actually produce hemp ...

 

... and only for those over 21 years old.

dm_co
dm_co

 @DonkeyHotay  @Monkey Indoor lighting will never be able to replicate all the spectrums of energy that radiate from a star like our Sun. Donkeys avatar all the sudden makes so much sense. 

Farmer-Bob
Farmer-Bob

 @DonkeyHotay  You have not one ounce of evidence to back this up. Is it "incontrovertible" just because you say so, or do you have research backing this up?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  The Truth ain't always Funny.

 

Dope makes you STUPID ... only Stupid Stoners are too Stupid to know that.

 

 

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay Relying on honesty is a funny way to achieve facts. Would you admit to cheating on your taxes? I guess a study about how many people cheat on their taxes would be a factual study to you, huh.

Monkey
Monkey

 @dm_co Donkey is ruining your sense of humor. He's fun to argue with, but don't let him get to you.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  Feel free to publish your own peer-reviewed longitudinal study refuting the facts or methodology you disagree with.

 

Let us know when it gets accepted for publication.

 

[ cue crickets chirping ]

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dm_co
dm_co

 @Monkey I'm not going to spoon feed you what the results of the study imply, read it and try to understand it .

Monkey
Monkey

 @dm_co So the study was based on people being honest about using an illegal substance, not facts. That makes sense. Thanks for the info, I'm in the "heavy" category, so according to the study, I wouldn't be able to comprehend the definitions after reading them.............Wait, what were we just talking about.

dm_co
dm_co

@Monkey The study does not specify amounts, quality, or methods used to consume Cannabis. Clarification on such variables would be very interesting although its ultimate significance is questionable.

In this study, users were asked how much they consumed and no other form of testing was done. Figure 3 on page 7 has the following under the graph,

".....Infrequent use was defined as weekly or less frequent use in the year preceding testing at age 38 y. Median use among infrequent and frequent adolescent-onset cannabis users was 14 (range: 0–52) and 365 (range: 100–365) d, respectively. Median use among infrequent and frequent adult-onset cannabis users was 6 (range: 0–52) and 365 (range: 100–365) d, respectively. "

 

TL;DR Daily users are the heaviest users followed by people who smoke 100 to 365 days out of the year.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @leon "then why do you advocate for 18-21 year olds, teenagers and young adults, that are excluded from recreational marijuana laws?  do tell."

 

This is Amerikkka! ... and in the great U$A ... EVERYONE has the RIGHT to BE STUPID if they want to ... even -- or especially -- Teenagers!

 

Any more questions?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  Read the STUDY ... like all Scientific Studies, it actually DEFINES the TERMS it uses.

 

hth.

Monkey
Monkey

 @dm_co"researchers however didn't find the same IQ dip for people who became frequent users of pot after 18". What's a heavy user?

dm_co
dm_co

@DonkeyHotay@Monkey You're both also missing another crucial point. Heavy users see a drop in IQ regardless of starting point. 

 

Stupid stoners say they can do things that require executive functioning and processing speed better while high.  

 

LLYGS
LLYGS

 @leon  @DonkeyHotay 

 

"then why do you advocate for 18-21 year olds, teenagers and young adults, that are excluded from recreational marijuana laws?  do tell."

 

FTW. 

leon
leon

 @DonkeyHotay  

 

then why do you advocate for 18-21 year olds, teenagers and young adults, that are excluded from recreational marijuana laws?  do tell.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey B- for effort.

 

The study showed that teens who smoke and continue to smoke are dumber than those who start smoking later in life and continue to smoke.

 

The variable is WHEN they begin.

Monkey
Monkey

 @DonkeyHotay  .....Or the world might never have seen the iPod/iPhone. The study should have shown how many quit smoking weed, when the quit and how many still smoke. They say late bloomer stoners don't have a loss in IQ. I wonder if the ones who tested low, later in life, saw a decrease in IQ because they quit smoking weed, and tested better while young and high. 

leon
leon

 @Monkey

the sun has a color temp near 5000k which is comparable to a metal halide lamp and is ideal for vegetative growth.  i know high pressure sodium lights are considered ideal for flowering with a color temp around 2700k so couldn't you just build a flowering greenhouse with tinted glass that would filter the light changing the color temp from 5000k to 2700k if you wanted to tap into both of the "specific spectrums" beneficial to marijuana?  the sun does a damn good job at growing plants and aside from stupid laws there is no reason it shouldn't used to grow everything.  recreating the sun inside warehouses and closets is ludicrous.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  Indoor cultivation of marijuana under energy wasting high-wattage coal-fired electric lights is a Crime Against the Environment.

 

Only Dick Cheney and his BigOil Cartel would rape nature like that.

 

Period.

Monkey
Monkey

 @dm_co  Indoor growing is not trying to replicate sunlight, It's trying to remove the unnecessary things that make outdoor buds suffer. The light you use to see with is wasted on plants, everything uses different wavelengths of light to convert into energy. The suns full spectrum is beneficial to earth, while specific spectrums are beneficial to plants.

Farmer-Bob
Farmer-Bob

 @DonkeyHotay No use arguing with someone who will make statements and refuse to back them up with research. Might as well be talking to the A64 campaign. Show us your facts, numbnuts.  Hip tip: "CUZ I SAID SO" neither constitutes "FACTS" or "RESEARCH."

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Farmer-Bob Existing "fallow" fields ??

 

You really do have no idea what you're yammering about, do you?

 

The current "fallow" fields are either in CRP contracts -- which means they can't grow on them even if they wanted to -- or lack the irrigation access/rights to plant current commercial crops on them.

 

HipTip: Corn is a $15 BILLION crop in the U$A. Soybeans are a $12 BILLION crop in the U$A. 

 

Industrial Hemp -- if allowed -- would be grown on INDUSTRIAL SCALES on ... wait for it ... INDUSTRIAL Farms ... just like it is currently grown in Saskatchewan ... thousands of acres, massive fossil-fuel burning machinery, diesel engines running full speed to drain the dwindling aquifers of precious water to irrigate those fields, herbicides to clear fields, pesticides, thousands of pounds of nitrogen fertilizer to augment production.

 

Not a bunch a tie-dyed hippies hand-planting an acre in their backyards.

 

A "farmer" you ain't, Bob.

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Farmer-Bob
Farmer-Bob

 @DonkeyHotay Let's see, "numbnuts", if hemp can be used to make 25,000 different products (in 1938, according to Popular Mechanics), do you really think that NOT ONE person would decide that maybe he would take his EXISTING fallow fields and try a shot a a "new billion dollar crop?" Really, not one person anywhere ever???? That really is stupid and naive statement. As we've seen with mmj, hemp will be a whole new industry with many different products to sell. Food, fuel, fiber, paper, plastic, etc.....  Do you think NOT ONE person got into mmj that wasn't already growing mmj? NOT ONE???? Come on, admit you overstated your case, and let's move on. You can't "prove" anything without FACTS to back you up.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Farmer-Bob "Research" on what, numbnuts?

 

That industrial hemp won't be grown in the sky?

 

Where -- exactly -- do you think that 100,000 acres of hemp would be grown, if not on EXISTING industrial agricultural farms?

 

 

Farmer-Bob
Farmer-Bob

 @DonkeyHotay You have just blown all your credibility. I ask for research, and you respond with insults. Even the A64 crew can do better than you did on this one!

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