Marijuana: Amendment 64 blasted by Douglas County sheriff, Mason Tvert responds

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David Weaver.
The powers-that-be in Douglas County really, really oppose Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act. Yesterday, the Dougco commissioners passed a strongly worded resolution against the measure, while Sheriff David Weaver launched a salvo that paints a world in which Amendment 64 is law as downright apocalyptic; see both below. It's a hysterically inaccurate portrait, argues proponent Mason Tvert.

The resolution, signed by commission chair Jack Hilbert, employs the typical "whereas" format for such documents -- and most of the clauses that follow this word suggest disaster should the majority of Coloradans allow adults to possess and use small amounts of cannabis. The commissioners argue that the amendment "fails to protect the health, safety and welfare of Colorado citizens" because it lacks standards against "harmful contaminants and disease," "conflicts with federal law and jeopardizes federally funded projects because drug-free workplace requirements may not be met," and "suggests that Colorado is on tract [sic] to become a primary source of supply for high-grade marijuana throughout the country."

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Douglas County Commisioners Steven Boand, Jill Repella and Jack Hilbert.
In addition, the commissioners pick up a theme struck by Governor John Hickenlooper in his 64-opposition statement: They believe the initiative "would harm Colorado's image as a healthy place to live, work and raise a family."

Still, these assertions are low-key in comparison with those made by Sheriff Weaver, whose statement cites "harmful consequences" that will likely come to pass should Amendment 64 win approval. According to him, "Expect more crime, more kids using marijuana and pot for sale everywhere. I think our entire state will pay the price."

Weaver's office reenforces this conclusion via twenty bullet points grouped under three headings: "It's Bad For Our Kids," "It's Bad For Our Community" and "It's Against the Law." Most of them include links, many of them from Healthy and Drug Free Colorado, a website affiliated with the Colorado Drug Investigators Association, which recently released a worst-case-scenario study of mold at marijuana grows that our William Breathes dubbed "clown science."

In addition, there's one link to Smart Colorado, the official No on 64 campaign, and lots of Denver Post articles, a number of them fairly long in the tooth. For instance, the claim that there are more dispensaries in Denver than Starbucks, liquor stores or public schools is based on a 2010 article whose MMC numbers are now notably out of date.

Still, most of the the nightmare scenarios are speculative -- like generically credited police predictions that the passage of Amendment 64 will result in more burglaries, robberies, illegal pot rings and homicides.

What's 64 backer Tvert got to say about that?

Continue to read Tvert's response, and to see arguments against Amendment 64 from the Douglas County sheriff and commissioners.


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junglistbrian
junglistbrian

When will people wise the fuck up? Marijuana should be the last fucking thing on your list of things that are harming our community.. 

 

Lets start with all the drugs that kill people every fucking day, prescription drugs, beer, ciggs....

 

All legal i might add, BUT illegal to use improperly... Why cant marijuana be the same?

 

Imagine the tax $'s we would be raking in for our education needs..

 

This fat shit police chief wants to keep it illegal because he needs to keep all the prisons full.

 

We should be talking about how prisons are private ran and how there are people making money from keeping others in jail.. 

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

He looks as if his true place in life is 69ing' Romney !

pfroehlich2004
pfroehlich2004

It's been 12 years since medical marijuana was legalized in Colorado, and none of these predicted harms have materialized. How can these clowns expect to be taken seriously?

orson
orson

A64 turns A20 into a trojan horse.  No thanks.  No to A64.

GeorgiaAlabama
GeorgiaAlabama

DougCo bureaucrats and fat cats making a living off of people's taxes instead of actually working for a living,  Acts and statements like these they have given end any credibility they had and cast into doubt whether they possess the necessary intelligence, wisdom, insight, and honesty for a county level office and to carry firearms.   Sad state of affairs that DougCo citizens have actually elected people like this to represent them and protect them.  When you read between the lines, it is evident these officials are racketeering, profiting off marijuana users to build fancy buildings, drive posh car, deeply line pockets, and amass personal cash at the expense of all taxpaxers.  Shame on these politicos and bureaucrats , their resignations are demanded immediately; if they won't, DougCo citizens of higher orders need to commence a recall campaign to run these shysters and hoods out of their county.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

Patients, caregivers, people who use cannabis for any reason, and people who do not use it at all:  please vote to ease the Prohibition of cannabis to allow adults to grow and use some.  We have a long way to go if we want to make this Land of Prisons "the land of the free" instead, and any diminution of criminal liability for cannabis, however small, is a step in the right direction.  We all pay the price for Prohibition, and it is infinitely greater than the costs of all harms attributed to illicit drugs combined and multiplied -- the costs of tobacco addiction are merely far greater.  Vote to lessen society's waste of resources attempting to criminalize inoccuous personal choices:

 

*******   Vote Yes on Amendment 64!   *******

 

 

Robert Chase

Colorado Coalition for Patients and Cargeivers

(720) 213-6497

Patients-First
Patients-First

First they came for the caregivers, and I didn't speak up, because the state assured me that I would be able to be granted an "MMC license" and continue to operate under statute instead of the state Constitution and besides, caregivers were my competition so I actually cheered while the state passed laws to shut them down;

Then they came for the doctors, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a doctor.

Then they came for the patients, and I didn't speak up, because I was afraid that the MMCED would deny my license application if they thought I was a trouble-maker.

Then they came with Amendment 64, which would enshrine the whole problematic medical marijuana distribution regulatory regime into the Constitution, and I didn't speak up because I thought it would put my competition out of business.

Then they came for me with a $0.42 letter from the DEA, and because I had turned my back on the caregivers, patients and doctors when they needed help and because I had foolishly supported Amendment 64 even though it offered no protection from the feds, there was no one left to speak up for me.

orson
orson

3/4 of voters support medical marijuana.  1/2 of voters support recreational marijuana.  You guys think things are bad now with opposition to medical marijuana use?  Just wait and see what it's like if recreational marijuana passes with only about 1/2 of the voters in support of it.

TheSpleen
TheSpleen

David Weaver, bacon eater. Five times fast!!!!

harley
harley

Wonder how much money the Sheriffs department and county receive every year from the feds for drug law enforcement? Just another obvious question papers like Westword and Denver Post should be asking.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

All the pigs pictured are not fit to be citizens of a free country and should be driven from our Land.  Douglas County has people who are not swine living there -- rise up and free yourselves from the governance of these rabid animals!

Jake
Jake

Mr. Weaver's as back country as they come.  Uneducated as all hell too.

Monkey
Monkey

The truth is, A64 wont do anything the opponents or proponents say it will. If you want more protection from prohibition than A64, go to a doctor. If A64 passes or not, the sight and smell of it will result in a search. When we get to vote on something better than our 12 year old laws, I'll vote for it, but A64 is not it. Regardless of what people vote for, MMJ is better.

TheSpleen
TheSpleen

"On tract"? Are these fucking assclowns really that poorly educated? Douglas Co, your lawmakers are fucking morons. 

Vaypertrails
Vaypertrails

Apparently Sheriff Chubby has NO problem with Wal Mart trying to come into his county and use incentive based education to punish teachers who fail to have even ONE student make grade per year. Yes, you heard it here first, folks: Douglas County is proposing that WAL-MART privatize their education and pay teachers based on whether or not the kids can pass standardized tests ONLY! Good job, Boss Hogg. Meanwhile, this fuckwit fails to address the problems obesity cause for Colorado's healthy lifestyle image, while apparently doing everything in his power to be a poster child for stage 2 diabetes. Fantastic. Go chase down a rapist, fat boy. It might do a body good!

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @pfroehlich2004 Interesting post, pfroehlich -- one we're going to make an upcoming Comment of the Day. Thanks for sharing your views.

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @orson Sorry to burst your bubble but A-64 has no effect on A-20. To change A-20 you need a specific vote by the people of Colorado to make that change. A-64 creates a second system from the other 99% of Colorado Adult residents without a MMJ red card.

IcePick
IcePick

 @orson Jerry, aka Donkey, you are not now nor ever were as interesting as Orson Welles.  Yes on A64 Orson Welles would support it!

IcePick
IcePick

 @GeorgiaAlabama If you think these idiots are bad you should read up on the Attorney General we re-hired last election.

M.M.C.
M.M.C.

It's all about the benjamins.

TheSpleen
TheSpleen

 @RobertChase Look carefully into those close set little eyes of Dave Weaver. That is one seriously creepy muthafucka.

Jake
Jake

 @CPP-

 You guys have no idea of the national implications this will have, regardless of it's deficiencies to your personal supply.  If you donot vote for this you won't see your version in your life time.

orson
orson

I am not Jerry, Donkey, Laura, Kathleen, Rico, a police officer, etc.  I am just another medical marijuana patient with a brain that doesn't want to get treated like a burn out because I use marijuana medicinally.  I know this may be difficult for some of you to believe but legitimate medical marijuana patients do not support A64.  A64 would have a huge impact on A20.  Just ask NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre who called the medical marijuana industry a legal farce and a sham.  These are the types of people that support A64, people who think medical marijuana is a sham and want to re-label it as recreational marijuana hence the trojan horse analogy.  A64 turns A20 into a trojan horse to legalize recreational marijuana aka getting stoned for kicks.  A64 would strangle the medical marijuana program out of existence and lead to regulating all marijuana use like recreational use. 

orson
orson

Legislators will legislate and the majority of them are against recreational marijuana.  Scary.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @Jake  @CPP- Jake, thanks for sharing your thoughts in this space. Much appreciated.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @Jake  They are totally clueless.  Activists driven crazy by the conduct of Maon & Co. have no idea that they have so completely marginalized themselves, and that cannabis-law-reform will be set back a decade in Colorado should Amendment 64 be defeated.

CPP-
CPP-

 @Jake LOL! National implications like DEA raids? A64 does NOTHING to protect people who rely on its provisions from the feds.

IcePick
IcePick

 @orson  @nemopunk15 Donkey uses words like "pot head" and "stoner" frequently.  And if you were actually a patient you'd see that A64 will continue to drive the cost of your medicine down, which is a clear benefit to actual patients. 

orson
orson

 @nemopunk15  Actually I don't care who you think I am but I do think it's sad that you can't even break free of your cult mindset to understand what it is I am saying.  If you want to stop being treated like a stupid brain dead pot head you're (note the apostrophe) going to have to stop actually being that person.

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @orson Nope. But i continue to expect Colorado Voters to demand some support for Rep Kings DUI bill. Stop your fearmongering. And if your intent on convincing people your not Donkey/kathleen your going to have to stop actually being that person.

orson
orson

 @nemopunk15  "A-64 does not effect A-20 in any way" - Spoken like a true moron.  Did this come to you while trying to name your bong?  try again...  Legally recreational and medical marijuana laws will be separate but in reality A64 will destroy medical marijuana.  Do you really think colorado legislatures are going to differentiate between recreational and medical users when they pass marijuana related laws?  Do you really think steve king is going to put in an exemption in his dui bill for medical marijuana patients?

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @orson Like i said above, A-64 does not effect A-20 in any way. If you live in Colorado like you're claiming and you have a red card, again like you're claiming then you can enjoy your protections under A-20 before, during and after the election regardless of what happens.

It takes a vote of the people to change A-20, until we vote on changing A-20, A-20 wont change.

IcePick
IcePick

 @orson  @Matt_in_Boulder " I wouldn't expect anything less from a marijuana junkie that is only concerned about scoring their next high without consulting a doc."

 

LOL and we are to believe you are a red card holder?  LOL!!!

IcePick
IcePick

 @orson scary for who?  none of this will effect the medical marijuana program in any way except to reduce the cost of medicine.  You are a  fear monger.

orson
orson

 @Matt_in_Boulder  I am stepping back and looking at the big picture.  Right now marijuana laws and policies are painted with a medical agenda.  A64 will steal the medical model and replace it with a near identical version painted with a recreational agenda.  A64 is a forgery, a con, a trojan horse, an attempted bait and switch on the voters.  If you think medical marijuana is a sham then go ahead and vote for this horrible law that will be the undoing of medical marijuana in colorado.  I wouldn't expect anything less from a marijuana junkie that is only concerned about scoring their next high without consulting a doc.

Matt_in_Boulder
Matt_in_Boulder

 @orson  @Matt_in_Boulder 

You believe people should continue to have their lives ruined by the government for the "crime" of consuming cannabis without a note from the doctor.  You justify this position because you don't want your feelings hurt.

 

Step back and look at the big picture - the one that includes others besides yourself.  Cannabis and hemp should never have been criminalized to begin with.  There is no such thing as "medical hemp" but it is victim to the same prohibition as "recreational" cannabis.  This plant has SO much more to offer than pain relief, as important as that is. 

 

You can either help to re-open the vast potential of cannabis and hemp or you can continue to play the "I've got mine, now the rest of you fuck off" game.  If that's the game you want to play then you truly are an asshole.

IcePick
IcePick

 @orson  @Matt_in_Boulder Donkey, what happened... you got perma banned huh?

 

ADMIN DONKEY IS USING NEW NAMES, PLEASE RE-PERMA-BAN

orson
orson

 @Matt_in_Boulder 

 

Marijuana is already legal in colorado, you're just voting to make it legal without seeing a doctor.  A vote for A64 is a vote to change colorado's marijuana laws and policies from a medical approach to a recreational approach.  All marijuana use will be viewed as a vice LIKE ALCOHOL and will be regulated like alcohol instead of like a medicine.  Stoners adamant about legalizing marijuana for recreational use make re-scheduling marijuana difficult because it shows that marijuana, a medicine, has a high potential for abuse and belongs in at least schedule 2.  A64 sucks for all the legitimate patients that use marijuana responsibly as a medicine and not to get blazed for fun.  I don't want to be treated like a drunk or a junkie because I use marijuana for medical reasons.  Junkies have ruined the legitimacy of pain management clinics and have made it more difficult for people in legitimate pain to obtain narcotics and freaking stoners have done the same thing with medical marijuana.  A vote for A64 is a vote for steve king's dui bill.  A society where legitimate medical marijuana patients are treated like drug abusers by our legislatures, police officers, employers, and peers is very scary to me.  No thanks.  No on A64.

Jake
Jake

 @CPP-  @Jake

 It makes it LEGAL moron, whether you like how much you can carry or grow it besides the point.  Legal is Legal and that has national implications.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @CPP-  Only an idiot could imagine that it would!  The reasons to pass the Amendment are that it legalizes limited personal use and cultivation (at the State level, duh; the Feds do not go about arresting people with six plants or an ounce anyway) AND that its authorization of retail sales and hemp cultivation symbolically challenge Federal Prohibition.

 

*******   Vote Yes on Amendment 64!   *******

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