Marijuana: Amendment 64 opponents dub Tony Ryan, decorated Denver officer, a rent-a-cop

pitchman101

If everyone watchyed this video, Marijuana would be leagle today. Pass if on after you chexck it out!

pitchman101

Glad to see common sense playing a part in the inevitable YES on 64.Some officers understand the blatant waste associated with the past failed war on drugs!. It will be legal in my life time. It would be a good start right here in Colorado. Yes on 64

ryan13636

Sounds like a prohibitionist tactic to me. These people have nothing to stand on, except for propaganda, smears and lies.

Gary_Bowlmen

Let me make sure I understand the law in Colorado Colorado 1975 Colo. Rev. Stat 18-18-406(1)“Any person who possesses not more than one ounce of marihuana commits a class 2 petty offense and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars.” C.R.S. 18-18-406 was amended effective August 11, 2010. The quantity of marijuana under possession that constitutes a petty offense was changed to “two ounces or less.”If A64 passes would it not still be a Class 2 petty offense for “two ounces?

RobertChase topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen Yes. The crux of the Amendment is its declaration that personal use of cannabis shall not be unlawful, including the cultivation of six plants (though no more than three flowering), presently a felony under the C.R.S.

Gary_Bowlmen

@RobertChase One more time If A64 passes caught with One ounce nothing would happen.But, if i got caught with 2 ounces after A64 passes it would be the same as it is now ?"=2 oz or less of marijuana Class 2 Petty Offense100-surcharge$200"

paulhurteau

@IcePick @Gary_Bowlmen @RobertChase Not if, like in Massachusetts, these "caregivers" form a "union" if you will,,,

Like the package store owners in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

You cant buy beer at major box stores like Safeway in California.

Mom and Pops still running "the Show"

BUT, they buy from the big boys.

IcePick

@Gary_Bowlmen @RobertChase Most likely there would be no charges filed against you anywhere in Colorado if you possess less than two ounces. That will not change with the passing of Amendment 64. What will change is that you will no longer need the "Red Card" to make your case in court (you don't need it now). The biggest change will be in 2014 when "recreational dispensaries" allow you to purchase up to 1 ounce with only a drivers license and all the caregivers stop providing services because they can no longer afford to compete with the 'big boys'.

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen It probably would be, but I doubt prosecutors would have any luck getting convictions for two ounces.

Rachel K. Gillette

Yes.

tribune420

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Think about it, all the no side has, is dirty tricks and lies.

Deomojo

@KAworldwithin I want to be a Pro Pot rent-a-cop. If your up for a good mad take a look at the NOon64 site. http://t.co/f6dDQbxj

Gary_Bowlmen

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What ever happend to Donkey Hoytey ??I miss his lame but somewhat entertaining posts ...

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen I heard from Donna yesterday at Huffington Post. I asked her why she was on the same side of the A64 issue as teen torture mogul Melvin Sembler and she said something about cotton socks and a box of rocks. It wasn't her usual witty style...

I am not letting up on my Sembler bashing until after the elections. Everyone in Colorado needs to know about the horrors this man inflicted on thousands of children, his connection to "Smart Colorado" and his connection to Mitt Romney.

Vote YES on A64. Vote YES on industrial hemp!!

Gary_Bowlmen

@kevin_hunt Yeah I sent the story to Mason Tvert ! and i posted it at Russ Belville chat

Young Turks did a story on it . http://youtu.be/2xDpvsLIKF0The story is messed up and needs to get out .Why is Smart Colorado talking money from these people ?

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@amkon @IcePick I never accused amkon of being Donkey. I merely said that I had hints and allegations that Donkey was a woman I have no idea if Donkey is a prohibitionist or a legalizer. She says that she is for "total legalization with no restrictions", but we know that will never happen.

Does anyone suspect that Donkey is really Laura Kriho or Kathleen Chippi?

amkon

@IcePick @kevin_hunt

You can't be serious? This is your "proof?" No wonder we still have prohibition with investigative folks like yourself.

amkon

@IcePick @Gary_Bowlmen @kevin_hunt

Seriously where's your proof, that I liked one of their comments? Yeah, they can be funny when they're not being a complete jackass.

amkon

@Gary_Bowlmen @kevin_hunt

LMFAO. The founder of amkon is a guy named Jasn (JiveTurkey) who no longer posts there. Donkey Hotay is a prohibitionist troll and if you were paying any attention whenever I see a stoopid post this person makes I respond. From their posts it sounds like they live in Colorado, and they do sound like a female.

amkon

@Gary_Bowlmen @kevin_hunt

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen @IcePick I did. Keep asking him why he supports Mel Sembler and Smart Colorado.

Donkey has made it clear that he is not a Romney supporter. Donkey is now caught in the uncomfortable position of supporting the GOP.

Gary_Bowlmen

@kevin_hunt @IcePick Yeah go say hi to him

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen @IcePick Thanks for the info!

Gary_Bowlmen

@IcePick @kevin_hunt he is over at Huffington post right now http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/roger-sherman-head-of-ant_n_1904588.html

Gary_Bowlmen

@kevin_hunt @IcePick Nothing, I don't have anything on him beside the fact that i hate him He or she is a jerk that spreads lies !!!!

IcePick

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@kevin_hunt "Donkey Hotay" has posted in these forums under several names including Amkon. One day "Donkey" wrote a bunch of BS, then he went through and "liked" all his own posts. (He is a paid shill). One of the 'avatars' he used was Amkon_net. There were several posts made by Amkon_net in this and other forums where words and phrases repeated... ie "AmeriKa" "AmeriKan" and his use of consonance as in Purile Pot or Lying Liars. His signature use of language was all over the posts. If you can find a way to locate Amkon_net's "discus" posts you will see the obvious Donkey writing style and phraseology in many of Amkon_net's posts.

So I posted something from a forum talking about this guy named Jerry who built this site Amkon.net (don't go to the site without TOR) who is a black ops specialist and that the site Amkon.net is a black flag op site (military term for propeganda). So get this... there appears a post here one day that uses the same phrases... Purile Pot Clowns and Lying Liars and it was made by somebody name "Jerry". Only "Jerry" posted under a guest log in so when I called him out on it he was not capable of removing the post.

Then a few days later Westword changed the comment software they use and all my evidence disappeared.

I stand by my statement that Jerry, the founder of the black flag site Amkon.net is indeed Donkey Hotay. I believe he lives in Wyoming, where men are men and cattle stand in for women. (Is that your girlfriend moooing over there Jerry?)

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@IcePick Do go on...I'm curious to know what you have on Donkey

IcePick

@Gary_Bowlmen @kevin_hunt Amkon is Donkey Hotay

Gary_Bowlmen

@kevin_hunt Hehe !

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Gary_Bowlmen I have no proof her name is "Donna". I just feminized the name she uses at the Denver Post: "Don K".

One of my friends, an activist in the cannabis community, claims he knows who she is, but won't tell me her name.

Thanks for helping spread the word about the evil prohibitionist Sembler. That guy needs to stand trial for his crimes. There is a standing $100,000 reward for info leading to an arrest and conviction of Sembler for any crime he may have committed.

Gary_Bowlmen

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@kevin_hunt Her real name is donna >?>>>I keep hearing different things like.... he is a guy from AMKON or something like that Who is this person

malcolmkyle16 topcommenter

Roger Sherman, like all other past and futile attempts at curbing "man's desire to alter his consciousness", marijuana prohibition is rooted in hate, paranoia, racism, misinformation, half-truths, and outright lies—It's your right to disagree, just please try to remain factual..

There is no debate: Marijuana is absolutely safer than alcohol, tobacco, and all prescription and over-the-counter medicines, while Prohibition—a costly nightmare that enriches both criminals and corrupt politicians—is a threat to us all.

Legal or not, millions of citizens are already using marijuana. What many sane people are now proposing, is to take the criminal aspect out of it, collect revenues from its sale, and instead of spending billions of precious tax dollars on doomed-to-failure enforcement, put it's 'taxable income' to work for the whole community.

kevin_hunt topcommenter

Smart Colorado's biggest ($150,000) backer is Melvin Sembler.

"But the real icon of drug policy in Romney’s campaign, deeply involved to this day, is Melvin Sembler, a Florida strip-mall magnate who was a national fundraising chair for Romney in 2008 and is again a Florida State Co-Chair for Romney’s finance committee.

Mel Sembler’s name is most likely to strike fear into the hearts of anyone involved in teen drug rehabs. Sembler and his wife, Betty, founded a chain of such institutions under the name Straight, Inc., which at its peak in the ‘80s had 12 clinics in nine states and a track record of extreme abuse.

In one of many stories from Straight that have been exposed, a teenage girl testified to being compelled into the program after being caught with an airline bottle of liquor given to her by a friend, and then beaten, raped, locked in a janitor’s closet in pants soiled by urine, feces, and menstrual blood..

Newton, who held a PhD in public administration from an unaccredited institution, was chosen by the Semblers to be their national clinical director. He has had to pay out over $12 million in damages to his victims, who he has thrown against walls, held against their will, kidnapped, restrained in leg irons, forced into servitude, and otherwise abused."

Source: http://www.thefix.com/content/romney-sembler-drug-advisor-teen-rehab-abuse8515

Gary_Bowlmen

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@kevin_hunt

According to sworn testimony, Straight often left restrained group members sitting in their own urine, feces or vomit until suitable concessions were extracted. Dr. Barry Beyerstein, a leading Canadian researcher on opiates and brain functioning who operates a laboratory at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada

Fox TV did a special on Mel Sembler's methods of treating children, which included the story of a girl forced to wear her feces-caked "humble pants" for a month as punishment.

And Melvin Sembler rationalized his crimes with these words:

"People thought we were taking away children's rights. But we saw it just the opposite — giving them back their rights by helping them get off drugs."

Gary_Bowlmen

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@kevin_hunt

Samantha Monroe was 12 years old in 1981 when her parents enrolled her in the Sarasota, Fla., branch of Straight Inc., an aggressive drub rehab center for teens.

Barely a teen, Samantha also had no history of drug abuse. But she spent the next two years of her life surviving Straight Inc..

She was beaten, starved and denied toilet privileges for days on end. She describes her "humble pants," a punishment that forced her to wear the same pants for six weeks at a time. Because she was allowed just one shower a week, the pants often filled with feces, urine and menstrual blood. Often she was confined to her closet for days. She gnawed through her jaw during those "timeout" sessions, hoping she'd bleed to death.

dianemgoldstein

@tedwright4 @denverwestword when you have to resort to name calling you have lost.

claygooding

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I think we are going to stress test the ONDCP's policy of "anything necessary" to keep marijuana illegal in CO and WA this November and with Obama's outright statement that they are increasing enforcement to reduce demand,,there is no hope for change from the federal level until we,the people,take our right to cannabis and hemp as a resource back from the corporate controlled government.

LAUrbanNerd

@CopsSayLegalize absolutely disgusting behavior from @VoteNoOn64

mike.seebeck

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I've known Tony Ryan for over a decade. With his, what you see is what you get, and Tony is a man of honor and integrity. The same is not true about Meester Sherman, who is nothing more than a paid shill and a clueless one at that.

If Tony Ryan says it, you can take it to the bank.

ThinksForSelf

Currently anyone who wants to smoke Marijuana likely already are, the war on drugs in this respect has been a complete failure. Amendment 64 will not likely increase the number of Colorado residents smoking marijuana than already currently do by very much. Even if it does marijuana is the safest of all the recreational substances man uses including alcohol.

Legalization will change where the money flows. Instead of under the table and out of the state via cartels, it will go to legal businesses that pay taxes and to workers who also pay taxes. In short the money will stay in Colorado and grow our economy. But the biggest boon to Colorado will not be from smoked marijuana but from legalized industrial hemp production. Industrial hemp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp) has more uses and more potential money making opportunities than all of the illegal substances used in Colorado combined.

Rudolf Diesel (the inventor of the diesel engine) and Henry Ford both dreamed of a future where automobiles would be fueled by seed oils such as hemp seed oil. Ford initially built body panels and other parts of his cars from plastics made from hemp seed oil. His plan was to fuel them with hemp seed oil grown all around the country.

As a crop hemp is very easy to grow and is very drought tolerant. If it was legal to grow today those farmers that are currently in trouble from this summers drought would likely still have their hemp crop to fall back on. Hemp is the ideal crop to rotate into fields that need to be rested after production of corn and other demanding crops. It builds the soil, prevents runaway weed growth without herbicides while providing a salable crop.

MikeParent

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When prohibitionists run out of lies and Propaganda, they resort to ad hominems.

IcePick

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Here's an interesting story I didn't read about in this paper:

"But I'm opposed to it, and if you elect me president, you're not going to see legalized marijuana. I'm going to fight it tooth and nail." - Mitt Romney

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/07/romney-vows-to-fight-marijuana-legalizat

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/19/dear-marijuana-reformers-mitt-romney-thi

IcePick

Here's another:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019235344_marijuana23m.html

This one is about the the Washington equivalent of A64, even Barry McCaffrey doubts there is any political will to fight the states on recreational marijuana.

TinRinRin

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Every time the "No on 64" crowd opens it's mouth, another 50 or 100 voters swing towards voting FOR the amendment. The best thing that could happen is to let these assclowns keep talking. The more they do, the more likely the initiative will pass in November. And if the amendment passes, there should be an add taken out in every national newspaper thanking the prohibitionist douche fucks that speak out against legalization, ending with a big fat "FUCK YOU" to the DEA.

nobody

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Who Roger Sherman works for, he is a paid lobbyist, mouth piece.

http://www.crlassociates.com/CRL/whoweare.html

CRL Associates, Inc. is a leading government relations, public affairs and strategic communications firm assisting clients achieve greater levels of success in Colorado and across the country for over 30 years.