StandUp For Kids founder Richard Koca's child-sex-assault bust: Maybe more victims, cops fear

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Big photos below.
Since we first wrote about the arrest on child-sex-assault charges of Richard Koca, who founded StandUp For Kids, a nonprofit devoted to helping homeless youth (see our original coverage below), Aurora police have released more info about this shocking turn. Meanwhile, a StandUp For Kids statement implies that Koca has had little recent contact with children, although he was still the outfit's CEO when crimes are thought to have taken place.

According to the Aurora Police Department, Koca was taken into custody September 15 on a felony arrest warrant for sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust in relation to a child he was "supervising" in Aurora. His original bond was set at $100,000, but that total was subsequently bumped up to $250,000. The juvenile in question has not been identified, owing to age.

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Koca during his years in the Navy.
The investigation began a couple of weeks prior to the bust, the APD notes, with only one underage victim identified to date. However, investigators are concerned about the possibility of more victims given Koca's "extensive contact over the past several decades with persons under the age of eighteen through his work with several nonprofit organizations that primarily serve children," a release stresses.

As we detail below, StandUp For Kids, founded in 1990, sends outreach counselors into the street in an effort to assist homeless youth. The organization currently has branches in 37 cities, and in a 2002 bio, Koca is quoted as saying, "This isn't about money. It's about caring!" He adds, "What we've accomplished has no price tag. We know we've made the difference in the lives of thousands of kids. I would have paid that price for one!"

In addition to his StandUp For Kids work, the APD points out that Koca, a retired naval officer who spent thirty years in the military, has been stationed in or visited a wide array of locations in the U.S., plus Panama, Venezuela, Italy and England. While in the first country, he was also a Scout Master for a Boy Scouts of America program, and he volunteered in an as-yet-unidentified orphanage while spending time in England. He was also part of Explorer scout programs in San Diego.

Not difficult to suss out why Aurora reps are mentioning his proximity to kids in these far-flung spots -- nor why the department has released the photo seen here of the Koca during his Navy days. Investigators are actively encouraging anyone else who may have been victimized to contact Crimes Against Children Unit Detective Robert Friel at 303-739-6185.

Meanwhile, StandUp For Kids interim national director Justine Madison issued the following statement:

StandUp For Kids, Inc. (SUFK) is aware of the charges and recent arrest of Rick Koca. Mr. Koca retired from his position as the CEO of SUFK in June, 2010. As CEO of the organization, Mr. Koca was primarily responsible for oversight of SUFK's national office. Between August 2010 and August 2011, Mr. Koca assisted with the transition to the new CEO. Mr. Koca served on the board of directors of SUFK from inception until September 17, 2012 when the board learned of the arrest and charges. The organization has no further information at this time about the arrest or charges against Mr. Koca other than the reports distributed by media outlets. SUFK has not been contacted by law enforcement regarding Mr. Koca, however, if contacted, the organization intends to cooperate fully.
As you can see, Madison's statement emphasizes that Koca, 69, hasn't been directly working with kids since at least the time of his retirement as CEO in mid-2010. However, the Aurora Police maintain that the crimes for which Koca has been charged may have taken place as early as August 2009. Moreover, an AARP video on view below shows Koca taking a very active role in street-side operations despite his elevated title.

Here's a larger look at Koca's newly issued booking photo.

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Richard Koca.
Continue reading for our previous coverage of Richard Koca's arrest, including a video depicting him helping kids on the street.

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Justice4all
Justice4all

Guilty on all 22 counts, there was overwhelming evidence. Rot in prison Rick!

defiler087
defiler087

    There is a large piece to this puzzle that I believe many of you have overlooked, although not many can be expected to see these things.  Before I say anything further, I would like to say that I'm not a mental health professional.  The information I'm sharing is from a plethora of personal experience relating to the affliction that I believe this man meets the definition for.

 

    With that being said, I believe that this man is a psychopath.  Most psychopaths are rarely exposed for what they are, and most don't commit gruesome murders or violent attacks.

 

    The reasons I say this are as follows:

 

1)  His Picture - While this alone is not enough to diagnose someone and, admittedly, it is only a small cross-section of what he would normally look like, there are details here that give him away.  The look he has on his face is not one of remorse or fear, but contempt.  His eyes express little emotion, and his face is twisted in such a way to suggest he's disgusted that anyone would challenge his name.  On the other hand, he may rightfully be innocent, and is thus disgusted that he'd be accused in such a manner.

 

2)  Psychopaths are drawn to positions of power in order to fulfill the machinations in their minds that tell them they are the best at anything and everything they do.  His continued work in this field and the fact that he had never been suspected or caught previously suggests that he is able to seamlessly lie and cover himself.  Psychopaths don't resist their urges for very long.

 

3)  Psychopaths are often interested in engaging in sex with children, but not for the reason you may think.  They crave novelty to quell the horrible boredom that their lives consist of.  The fact that child molestation is considered to be so deviant is the source of his excitement for the act.  Additionally, the fact that the victim was male adds to the deviancy because of the antiquated views of homosexuality that persist today.

 

4)  hopeforvictims mentioned that he/she worked for this man for a period of time.  It was mentioned that he had very little respect for boundaries, and often acted inappropriately.  This disrespect for social norms or physical boundaries is characteristic of the personality disorder that I believe he may meet the requirements of.

 

5)  stormtrance mentioned that he would never suspect this from the man accused.  This suggests an ability to hide his intentions for the most part.

 

All of this is not even close to enough to give an actual diagnosis of any kind, so take it with a grain of salt.  To those who said that it is wrong to question the child accusing someone of molestation, that is how justice works.

 

How can you suggest that we should just take the word of ANY accuser at face value with no real investigation?

 

Suppose a child accused you of molestation when you've done nothing of the sort?

 

This could all go one way or the other, but my feeling is that this man is guilty and may fall on the scale of psychopathy.

gryphon50
gryphon50

how ridiculous would it be for me to say, I'm a woman that has been acquainted with a particular man- he did not make a pass at ME- therefore he is not interested in adult women. In the same way, just because you were a kid or teen that knew this guy and was not molested , does not mean he was not a pedophile. He apparently had a large choice of victims, he could target ones particularly to his liking. Even Sandusky did not molest EVERY kid that came into his charity.  From what I've seen, men that dedicate their life to "helping children" are usually helping themselves to the children.

hopeforvictims
hopeforvictims

I volunteered for Mr. Koca a bit between 2008 and 2010. I met his daughters and grand daughters as well. I have to say, he was sort of inappropriately flirty with me when training, but I was not a kid; I was in my thirties. Because of that, I really didn't trust him: he was unprofessional and ignored my boundaries. I've met so many men like that, I didn't think much of it. I just kept my distance and reserved my trust.  

 

From my perspective, he seemed to bond better with male kids on the street and made lifetime connections with a few. Also, he has both blond and brunnette daughters and grand daughters and, to me, the blonds seemed confident and solid, accomplished people. It was a stark contrast with the brunettes, who seemed unconfident, overweight, and shy. I don't mean to make fun of any of his family, they were all lovely people. It's just the contrast was stark and sometimes people's predation takes paths like this. I wonder if this person in his trust was his grand daughter and I wonder if she is brunnette. Whoever it is, she is very likely telling the truth unless she was abused by someone else and is hanging him for it so to speak. And whomever she is, I hope very much she uses all resources and loving, trusting adults to help her through the pain and suffering. It's a very difficult recovery.

 

Sexual abuse it difficult. It may very well be Mr. Koca was a victim and that's why he started this whole organization to help street kids. I have to say too that he DID help a lot of kids. But it is true that he did not work with street kids since I met him in 2008 at least not here in Denver. He stayed in touch with a few kids he really bonded with and hired some to run the organization, but he was not walking the streets. Hundreds of volunteers were doing this work, good work, without his interaction with the kids. Some of these videos are of the kids he bonded with and some might be him doing outreach (interacting) with the kids just for the video or photoshoot. Almost all of the videos were filmed in San Diego and are from before 2008. Sometimes he would interact with kids during training, but for us, we couldn't find any when we were trained her in Denver. He, however, did work with street kids here in Denver in the early '90s; he started the organization in Denver, but it disbanded. It's very difficult to keep an all-volunteer organization running.

 

Also, many street kids know him and know of him. If he hurt any of them, they would tell each other and they would tell StandUp volunteers. They would not tell authorities. Street smarts like this often crosses state boundaries because the kids move back and forth between different climates. Mr. Koca knows this well. The kids I met thought well of him, but the police can find out a lot by interviewing former and current street kids. They should especially focus on kids in San Diego, he hasn't worked with kids here since the early 1990s.

 

BTW, the name is StandUp for Kids, but they mostly helped kids 18 to 25, the age kids run from abuse to the street or age out of foster care. Occassionally, we helped kids 12 to 17, but it was much more rare. Even though this legally doesn't seem like the definition of "kids", these kids have a difficult tranisition to early adulthood because of foster care and because many times they are developmentally younger due to the abuse or neglect and life on the streets.

 

I have a feeling that he kept this in the family. And I hope very much that his being in jail has saved a lot of kids from this future and him from not being able to control his predatory behavior. We are all safe with him behind bars with the very likelihood that his victim is telling the truth.

 

Also, he may be predatory, but he is not an evil man. If he helped you or someone you know or if StandUp helped you or someone you know, his predation discounts none of it. He did good things for a lot of people and that he grew the organization beyond him, in states across the country, says to me that he meant to spread the love, not the predation. Although I could very well be wrong!

stormtrance
stormtrance

I know Rick personally. He hired me to work for SUFK a few years back and personally trained me. No one can know for sure if this is true or not, and while I have NEVER, EVER seen any signs that would point to this type of behavior, I truly hope that everyone will reserve judgement until the actual facts are presented. This could all be a huge mistake and those that "assume" it's true because someone put it in the paper, and if it's not then those of us who knew him so well (I worked with him for a year every single day) will be very surprised. I, personally, will not judge a man no matter who he is until the FACTS are presented!

Justice4all
Justice4all

As a helpless kid who held onto a secret life of molestation because I just knew there was no way anyone would believe the person molested me, I feel sad that anyone could discredit a child reaching out for help. It took a lot of courage for a child to come forward especially knowing there would be a million people praising ricks glory. That man tried to kill himself for a reason, he knew he'd been found out and probably knew this was going to open the flood gates for many more innocent victims. He may not have done it to you or the person sitting next to you, they pick out few among many, it's what PEDAPHILES like RICK do. Oh, and for people to say someone did this for money, he made it clear in all his videos that he wasn't making money off of SUFK, he said it wasn't about the money. Unless you think he was lying about that and was secretly rich. Any of you who are parents, what would you do if your child came to you tomorrow and said Rick molested him, would you think your child was lying? Something to think about. I'm sure he touched a lot of peoples lives but sadly he touched more than just lives.

gdpearson83
gdpearson83

My name is Gary D Pearson, I am a former United States Marine. I am currently married to one of the street kids that was helped by Rick Koca himself. I personally am devastated by these horrendous accusations brought forth. I cannot say that I know Rick personally, but I can say that I have heard many stories about this man. I do not believe that someone who has dedicated his entire life to helping homeless youth get their lives back on track could do such a thing. I must say that although he never helped me personally, I did receive help from his organization when I fell on hard times after I separated from the military. I do understand that his organization is named StandUp For Kids and I wasn't a kid when I received help from them. They didn't care what age, race, gender, ect. that you were they wanted to help. If I had the money or the means I would do more than I have already done to help. I have sent numerous emails to various people and organizations who i hope will help in spreading the word that these accusations are false and help clear the great name that is Rick Koca. I am deeply saddened  by the almost immediate public outrage  that has become of this. Our country is in a saddened state when "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" is no longer the case. It has gone to the media that if they show it, it must be true. Now this beloved man who is the reason that thousands of people are having better lives will be permanently marked as a criminal whether he is or not.

obsidian421
obsidian421

I met Rick Koca many many years ago and I still accredit him for one of the main reasons that I am alive today. He saved me. Saved me from drugs. Saved me from the streets. Saved me from myself. He helped shaped me into the person that I am today. There is just no way that these horrendous accusations can be true. Rick only ever wanted to help kids and I seriously doubt he just woke up one day and decided that he was going to be a pedophile. There was never any "pattern of behavior". No warning signs. Nothing to suggest that he would ever hurt one of us. I was abused sexually by my uncle when I was little. I was physically, mentally, and emotionally abused by my mother. I know the signs of abuse as do many of the "street kids" that rick helped. That he saved. Coming from abuse like we did ensures that we can spot an abuser a mile away and had Rick been that type of person one of us sure as heck would have known it. Rick stood up for me and so many of my friends so we are here to stand up for him. It makes me sick how people who don't even know him have already prejudge him. They have already condemned them in their living rooms. The media has had a hand in that. I am here to tell all of you that Rick is innocent. I am alive today because of this man. I have a loving husband and 4 wonderful children because this man saved me. I am a college student because this man saw to it that I got myself together. He is my friend. He is my confidant. He is just amazing person who obviously put himself out there and someone decided to take advantage of him in this horrific way. All of us former street kids love you Rick!!! We are here for you no matter what! @Brian Haslip @Tara Mccurry @Grover DeMuppet @Joseph Gubanyi @Michael Williams @Jamie Randolph @Julie 

obsidian421
obsidian421

I met Rick Koca many many years ago and I still accredit him for one of the main reasons that I am alive today. He saved me. Saved me from drugs. Saved me from the streets. Saved me from myself. He helped shaped me into the person that I am today. There is just no way that these horrendous accusations can be true. Rick only ever wanted to help kids and I seriously doubt he just woke up one day and decided that he was going to be a pedophile. There was never any "pattern of behavior". No warning signs. Nothing to suggest that he would ever hurt one of us. I was abused sexually by my uncle when I was little. I was physically, mentally, and emotionally abused by my mother. I know the signs of abuse as do many of the "street kids" that rick helped. That he saved. Coming from abuse like we did ensures that we can spot an abuser a mile away and had Rick been that type of person one of us sure as heck would have known it. Rick stood up for me and so many of my friends so we are here to stand up for him. It makes me sick how people who don't even know him have already prejudge him. They have already condemned them in their living rooms. The media has had a hand in that. I am here to tell all of you that Rick is innocent. I am alive today because of this man. I have a loving husband and 4 wonderful children because this man saved me. I am a college student because this man saw to it that I got myself together. He is my friend. He is my confidant. He is just amazing person who obviously put himself out there and someone decided to take advantage of him in this horrific way. 

biznob
biznob

I met Rick Koca when I was 12 years old and homeless. Him and his wife would come to the park every Thursday and bring us hot soup and fresh socks. Rick did nothing but help people. If you knew him you would know that these heinous accusations are impossible. I have spoken to at least 20 other friends since this happened, who all knew Rick when we were young and in our most vulnerable situations, and the response is the same across the board ..Yeah right, there is no doubt that he's innocent.. The way I see it going down is Rick put himself in a vulnerable situation while going out of his way to help someone and they took advantage of him. It's almost laughable how impossible this accusation is except there is nothing funny about one of the most genuinely kind, caring, and stand up men I have ever met having his life ruined by some idiot trying make a buck.

julieakramer
julieakramer

I have personally known Rick for over a decade. He is one of the kindest, most compassionate, and genuinely GOOD human beings I have ever met. My first thought upon hearing the heinous crimes Rick has been accused  was "someone must have been trying to extort money out of him". In my mind there is absolutely no possible way these charges could be true. I do not know the details of the charges he is facing, however I know Rick very well, and he is NOT a sexual predator. Rick dedicated his entire life to helping homeless youth survive and pull themselves off of the streets. He helped spread awareness about homeless teenagers and rape, working day and night to keep kids all over the country safe. This was his life’s passion. He has a heart of gold, and I am nothing short of heartbroken that one (or more) people would destroy this amazing man's life with such insane allegations. I have received a flood of phone calls and messages since this story broke, all from my friends who knew Rick. These friends are all people I met at Stand up for kids, a San Diego homeless youth center I visited during a particularly dark period of my life. I have probably talked to two dozen people regarding Rick, and let me tell you this: not a single person thought for one second this could possibly be true. Our immediate group response was “how can we help him?.” None of us have a shadow of doubt in our minds-and as former street kids we are a pretty cynical breed. I’ve seen my friends bury long-standing personal grudges which each other, just to talk about Rick and discuss how we can help him. The reason why is…well 95% of us are not street kids anymore. We have houses, jobs, self-esteem, sobriety, and all the hope in the world now, because Rick helped us find ourselves. He believed in us when no one else did. He changed our lives so much. Rick’s vision, Stand Up for Kids, was more than a drop in center. Sure, they gave us clothes, food and toiletries. We got to pick through donated clothes and watch tv. That was the second best thing about Stand Up. The best part was Rick, the counselors and staff. They treated us like we were family, for a few hours every weekday, and gave us the emotional support we needed and the strength to keep forging on with hope for our future. We had all the love in the world when we were at the Center. AND IT WAS IN NO WAY SEXUAL. Rick is a champion. He has served our country, abroad and at home, his entire life. I am honored to know Rick, and nothing short of videotape evidence could ever make me believe these lies. I have faith that the truth will be made public, and the people who turned their back on Rick over this absurdity will be eternally ashamed that they turned their back on Rick during his most undeserved darkest hour.

 

fuzzygrrl
fuzzygrrl

I am standing up for Rick just as he stood up for me as a child. I met Rick with Stand-Up when I was 13 years old. I knew saw him on a weekly basis for while I was a homeless child for 6 years. I was an attractive young female (aged 13-19) who had been "alone" with Rick more times then I can remember. He NEVER once made any sort of inappropriate move, gesture, or comment toward me or anyone I have ever known. All of the street kids I grew up with had all been abused, either physically, emotionally, and/or sexually. Once there are enough victims grouped together like that you tend to look out for each other, and also become very close and know each others pain and stories. An abused child can see the abuse in another child in a matter of seconds. We would have seen or heard of something like this. If Rick was a "Bad Man" we would have smelled it on him. This is a horrible end for a man who did so many amazing things, not only for me, but for every homeless child I have ever met! I am an amazingly successful person today because of Rick and the countless other selfless volunteers of Stand Up. And as a side note to any journalists who may be reading this... There is another side to this story, our side. Print it please. Street kids that have been positively impacted by Rick are everywhere in this country.

alea
alea

blackroseMD1 and CubCarrier: Would you feel the same way if - as a minor child, you had been sexually assaulted by a person of trust and nobody believed you? Pedophiles count on those they DIDN'T abuse to testify to their good character. And I don't think anyone has said who this victim is, because of age (someone under the age of 18), or that the contact came through SUFK. For all you know, it could've been a neighbor or a family member or the child of a friend. Don't be so quick to demonize the victim - or if you really were helped by this organization - remember what it was like for you when you were powerless. I promise you, that's where this kid was until the police got involved.

psykolettetexan
psykolettetexan

My name is Amanda Connelly and i was among the many homeless youth who accessed services through Stand Up 4 Kids in San Diego, California.

While on my facebook i saw this depressing news on a fellow friend's post... I am outraged at the accusations of Rick.

Rick is an individual who had a dream, made it a reality, and has helped and/or saved many of our youth throughout many generations.

CubCarrier
CubCarrier

Rick has saved countless kids from drugs, prostitution, gang violence, domestic abuse, and starvation. This is the most ridiculous allegation anyone could bring against him. I guarantee no one else comes forward about this because it's never happened, to anyone! Someone, somewhere stands to gain substantially for attempting to defame this mans character and/or destroy the credibility of the non-profit he created. I know he could never do this. He saved the lives of me and countless others, and no perversions were ever committed against us. I stand by Rick whole heartedly!

simplehockeyfan
simplehockeyfan

.@OldNumberSix @opliberation1 if only this was surprising

WeShallSee
WeShallSee

Volunteered for StandUp on and off for years.  The mission is worthy and the volunteers are outstanding - Rick always gave me the creeps.  We'll see how this unfolds.

blackroseMD1
blackroseMD1

This is bull. Rick Koca helped me for 6 years when I was 15-21 and never once made any kind of move on any of us homeless youth in San Diego. Whoever made this allegation is going to be in serious trouble. 

euphobic
euphobic

 @defiler087 

you sound like a pseudo-intellectual retard. Go troll somewhere else.

 

blackroseMD1
blackroseMD1

 @Ifonlyuknew So, you know all the facts of the case? Is that what you're saying? I was molested too, by a guy held in high regard in this town. You know what the cops did? Slapped him on the wrist. 75% of the youth that I was on the streets with were sexually abused as well. You think that we didn't look out for each other, that we didn't treat people coming to help us as if they may want something from us? If only you knew anything at all about what's actually going on here. I know both the accused, and the accuser. Statements I make on here are based on knowledge of both of them.The fact that you were molested as a youth damages your credibility coming on here calling Rick a pedophile, especially since you don't know anything about him, the accuser or the case. By the way, the only news outlet to say anything about suicide was a Fox station, so...yeah, that must totally be accurate.Let's just hope you don't get accused of anything falsely. Karma will fill up the jury box with people like you, who believe in guilty until proven innocent. 

gryphon50
gryphon50

 @gdpearson83 Sandusky also dedicated himself to helping poor disadvantaged youth. So that just goes to show you that some people cover their intentions with these elaborate schemes, pretending to do good while preying on kids.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @fuzzygrrl Thanks for sharing your experiences, fuzzygrrl. We're going to make your post an upcoming Comment of the Day. Much appreciated.

obsidian421
obsidian421

 @alea I was sexually assaulted by a person of trust. My own uncle and no one believed me...however, speaking as someone who knows Rick and has known Rick for over a decade I can tell you that these allegations are false. There is just no way Rick could or would do anything of the sort. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. 

blackroseMD1
blackroseMD1

 @alea  Yes I do know what it's like. Growing up in Dover, Arkansas, I was molested from the time I was 12 until I was 14 by a friend of the family. When I went to the cops, they acted like it was no big deal and gave him a slap on the wrist. I know what it's like, and I've spent a majority of my adult life training people on how to spot child predators. Rick is not a child predator. Yes, I may be biased because of all he did for me, but I was once also a victim of the same crime by someone in a position of trust, so I can see it from both sides.At least I'm biased on the side of "innocent until proven guilty". Your comment indicates that you've already convicted him in your mind.

fuzzygrrl
fuzzygrrl

 @aleaWould you feel the same way if - as a minor child, you had been sexually assaulted by a person of trust and nobody believed you?

 Yes. I was, and no one did. I still can see this through objective eyes. What someone else did to me has nothing to do with Rick's character, or innocence.  When I was in Rick's care he had every opprotunity to abuse me, and he DID NOT.

Pedophiles count on those they DIDN'T abuse to testify to their good character. And I don't think anyone has said who this victim is, because of age (someone under the age of 18), or that the contact came through SUFK. 

I knew 100's if not 1000's of the kids came into contact with through Stand-Up. Not one of them EVER had anything bad to say about Rick. These were the perfect victims, and they were not victimized by him. 

 Don't be so quick to demonize the victim - or if you really were helped by this organization - remember what it was like for you when you were powerless. I promise you, that's where this kid was until the police got involved.

I have not seen any comments where anyone is "demonizing" the victim. We are upset by the accusations, but the reality is that whoever this kid is, is likely in a very bad place regardless of what their reasoning for making these statements. Maybe they are in it for money... But maybe it is just a lie created for attention that got way out of hand. When you are dealing with underage people (especially those who have been victimized before) there are so many things that could really be going on with that child that has nothing to do with Rick. I cannot hold this child responsible for what is happening, I really feel for the kid. All we are really left with at the end of the day is speculation and ruined lives. That is what really breaks my heart. Please try to remain objective, and stick to the facts. This is a high profile case that the media and police are all over because of how it looks. No one wants to be caught supporting a child abuser. No one wants to be seen as week or lenient in these cases either. Everybody grab a pitchfork its time to burn the monster... Rick deserves better. Even though you may not agree with me, at least try to remain objective till a verdict comes in. Thank you

fuzzygrrl
fuzzygrrl

 @WeShallSee Giving you the creeps doesn't make him a pedophile. Saying such things is not fair, as it is your opinion. The real question is did you witness him DOING anything wrong. Obviously not, or you would have contacted the authorities, right? This is a witch trial and you are screaming heresy. 

Justice4all
Justice4all

How you know the accuser is strange as it has not been released in the media. Does this mean you know the child and all about the case? I think not. You feel as though victims like you and I have no credibility when speaking about abuse? Kind of a contradiction when you are wanting people to believe you about this man. You're making a statement to all victims out there that they are not to be believed and are no longer credible if they have been abused. Truth is neither you or I know everything, the only people who know what really happened is the pedophile and his victim. I didnt claim to know all about the case (and it's wierd that you do), what I do know is that when it comes to children, I ALWAYS believe the child. If and when you have kids i hope that you would also believe your child. I'm sorry you dont like what I'm saying but it's freedom of speech and I will express my feelings, you dont have to read it or like it. I'm also sorry that you did not get justice when it happened to you, the system failed you, let's hope it does not fail this victim.

obsidian421
obsidian421

 @michael.roberts  @fuzzygrrl Thank you for taking us seriously and like fuzzy said, please print our side of the story. We all love Rick so much and we known that these allegations can not be possibly true. Rick stood up for us and now we are standing up for Rick.

WeShallSee
WeShallSee

 @fuzzygrrl  @WeShallSee Clearly, I stated "we'll see how this unfolds" and, not that he is a pedophile.

 

That's the beauty of our system - innocent until proven guilty.  However, this isn't a courtroom. On a news article comment board, we all get to have our say.  No one knows anyone's true identity.  Maybe fuzzygrrl and cubcarrier, and whoever else, are all just friends of Rick's?

 

 I certainly never screamed "heresy."  I simply said he gave me the creeps. More info - I never liked his style.  There are a lot of unknowns for you, as someone who was helped.  Someone within the org would have seen a different side to him. Not about abuse - maybe more about power.  Anyway, that was my point - the organization has done a lot of good for a lot of kids.

 

And  I will just say - the reason I got involved with Stand Up For Kids is because I had a similar upbringing as many here who have posted in Rick's favor.  I just saw him differently than you.  Still does not mean I believe him guilty.  Just don't like him.

 

But - someone made an accusation.  And it must be taken seriously.  I would hope you would give the accuser the same benefit of doubt you are giving Rick - until there is a court hearing and more details are revealed.

intellectOVERimpulse
intellectOVERimpulse

pedophile psychopath poweraddict homo in 2002 i met him in S.D. he was quite nice to me and seemed eager to help me with my homeless ordeal but his sudden fondness of me set off alarms in my head along with a strange extended handshake but his alarms told him to wathch the f*ck out for me so i never dealt with advances i will say this many of the youth that make these claims in this case(and others like it) are severely strung out and have turned to prostitution previously for meth or heroin couldv'e willingly had relations with Rick and then tried to blackmail him but if he had resisted homosexual urges like you avoid drinking cyanide because the consequenses  outway the momentary perverted enjoyment! jus sayin surveys say alot of men have thought but never act on em those who do obviously don't reason well! 

blackroseMD1
blackroseMD1

 @Justice4all My debate with you is over the fact that you have prejudged him based on what you've read in this article. "My statements are directed at a man who committed a crime and should be punished." <--So, you know for a fact that he's guilty? 

 

This is the problem with people...just the suggestion that someone did something is enough to convict them in most people's minds. Good thing you aren't a judge, or no one would ever get a fair trial.

Justice4all
Justice4all

" what happened to you as a youth "damages" your credibility" is the same thing as saying "you should not listen to her on the subject of abuse". I may not know ALL the facts but I guarantee you dont either. I said he's a pedophile (made sure I spelled it right this time, my spelling probably damages my credibility too) not that he's evil. I understand he's your friend and you want to protect him, and like another commented, that does not mean he didn't care about you or a lot of other children. Either way I'm not going waste anymore time debating with someone who clearly is biased when it comes to Rick. My statements are directed at a man who committed a crime and should be punished. Have to go, a Grammar class awaits me! :-)

blackroseMD1
blackroseMD1

 @Justice4all No, me saying that because you were a victim you had a prejudice was based on the fact that you stated that he was a PEDAPHILE (sic) in your original comment. You came in insinuating that you knew that he was guilty of the crime. That's why you have no credibility, not because you were a victim of a similar crime.I say that I know the accuser because I do know some stuff about the case that hasn't been released because I'm close to Rick, the homeless youth of Denver and RIck's family. I won't say that Rick is 100% innocent, because I don't know all the details, but I also didn't come in here screaming that he was a PEDAPHILE (sic). I know the man, I know his family, and I know the community in Denver/Aurora. Also, please point out where I tell victims that they are not to be believed...because I would love to correct that. Again, that statement was to you and the fact that you came in screaming PEDAPHILE (sic), not all victims/ex-victims.

WeShallSee
WeShallSee

 @obsidian421  @WeShallSee  @fuzzygrrl I don't think the media is tarnishing Rick.  They are only reporting charges leveled against him.  Tarnishing would be from the accuser - the person who alleges to have been abused.

 

This story, media-wise, has no legs.  It's been reported in a handful of wire reports and small blogs. Don't see how anyone in the media is "tarnishing" his reputation. He has been charged with a crime - media reports. That's what they do.  I don't see direct comments toward this blog accusing them of some sort of biased reporting.  All I did was comment.  Same as you.

 

Is it fair I stated I don't like him or he's given me the "creeps" in the past?  Well, is it fair this website has comments on an article about an alleged sexual molester?

 

I never said Rick hasn't helped people.  I know that Stand Up has.  I've only commented on the charges he is facing - and given my personal opinion of him.  Same as you.

 

For everyone's sake, I hope I am wrong, and you are right. 

obsidian421
obsidian421

 @WeShallSee  @fuzzygrrl Saying that he gives you the "creeps" and the you "don't like him" is just another way that certain people will spin it into something like "see even someone else that knows him thinks he's weird" or something like that. The media is tarnishing his reputation enough without words from you. 

WeShallSee
WeShallSee

 @fuzzygrrl One last thing - San Diego media is reporting Rick attempted suicide when faced with the charges. Strange.

 

People aren't always who you think they are.  People have deep motives for things they want to do to "right" the world.  Sometimes people let their own issues get in the way of making things "right."

 

I've lived too long and seen too much - you've got to acknowledge people make mistakes.  Even when their hearts seem to be in the best place.  Maybe some people can't face their own inner truths - and have sought a (perhaps inappropriate) way to assuage their demons.  But the demons will catch up.  If  you're not careful about finding a healthy, balanced life, your problems will catch up with you later on.

 

Have no way of knowing whether this is what happened to Rick.  Again, we'll just have to see how this unfolds.

 

I am grateful you were helped by Stand Up For Kids.  I'm just giving my opinion, as you (and others) are.  But it is good to know that so many people have been assisted by an organization that truly is a "grass-roots" effort to help kids.

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