Marijuana: Amendment 64 opponents lying, intimidating supporters, says Mason Tvert

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Mason Tvert.
For months, there's been tension aplenty between supporters and opponents of Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act -- and with the election a week away, it's still rising. Example: The No on 64 campaign says claims by backers don't hold up under scrutiny, prompting proponent Mason Tvert to accuse those against the measure of intimidation and "flat-out lying."

The latest dispute flows from a Yes on 64 announcement earlier this month involving more than 300 doctors who voiced their support for the initiative. Among these physicians were a number who live and practice on Colorado's largely conservative Western Slope -- but a recent article in the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel reveals that at least three of them now claim they don't actually favor the act. Why not? Two of the docs failed to return calls to the Sentinel, but the third, plastic surgeon Dr. William Merkel, says he misread the letter he received from the campaign; he says he thought the amendment was actually an anti-marijuana proposal.

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Larry Bedard, past president of the American College of Emergency Physicians, is among the doctors supporting Amendment 64.
In Tvert's view, the Sentinel report "isn't much of a story. To me, the real story is that more than 300 physicians across 55-plus cities and towns in Colorado think it's time to end marijuana prohibition and regulate marijuana like alcohol. And I think it's unfortunate that the Grand Junction Sentinel has decided to report on two or three physicians who are now not sure they support this initiative, when they made it abundantly clear they did" -- he says he has signed postcards confirming that -- "rather than focusing on the fact that hundreds of physicians do support this initiative."

Predictably, Laura Chapin, spokeswoman for Smart Colorado, the No on 64 organization, has a different opinion. In a statement sent to Westword, she wrote, "This seems to be a pattern with the proponents -- making claims about the proposal and about their support that don't hold up under further scrutiny. They've constantly had to backtrack, issue corrections and take down billboards."

This last reference involves a Grand Junction billboard featuring televangelist Pat Robertson, who had expressed his support for Amendment 64 in a New York Times article. Nonetheless, Robertson objected to the use of his name and image on the sign, and the Yes on 64 forces removed it upon his request.

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The Pat Robertson billboard, which was up for a short time in Grand Junction.
"Even worse than overstating their support, their claims about what the legislation will do fail the truth test," Chapin went on. "They admit that the money isn't there for schools and that the excise tax can't be enacted by Amendment 64. There is no money for schools in Amendment 64, despite what their ad falsely says."

Continue to read more about the claims of Amendment 64's proponents and opponents.


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Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

Is Monkey , Roberts ???

Anyone ?

pitchman101
pitchman101

Aproval of amendment 64 takes millions of dollars out of the hands of the cartel and gangs and puts it into the hands of local buisnesses and governemnt agencys for distribution as voted or aproved in future votes, amendments or laws passed. Weather for schools or not,the point is that

 Regardless of what apponents of A64 say, the funds no longer are leaving our state and ending up in the hands of people that have no interest in the future of Colorado. Our local government will deside what to do with the windfall our great state will have bestowed upon it when A64 passes.

 Also, Very little has been said of the hemp production buy our farmers that would/could generate as much or even more revenue for our state and potentialy our country for textile manufacturing.

 Listening to people like Donkyhotay is getting a bit tiring as there has been little to no constructive dialogue from this person. It would be nice to actualy here something other than insults from this person.

 Yes on A64

Patient1
Patient1

LOL! A64 are the biggest liars of all! First with the BIG LIE that A64 is "legalization" or an "end to prohibition"! They market it as such, but at hearings on the language, they backed off and said to call it "legalization" would be "truly misleading". Read more A64 lies here:

http://cannabispolicy.wordpress.com/category/a64-lies/

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

Yes on 64!

 

Look how panicked Drug Dealers like Donkey are. When Adults can buy Marijuana in Taxed and Regulated Stores, Donkey has to get a real job.

Why else would Donkey spend all day every day spamming the living shit out of any Marijuana story on several webpages?

Monkey
Monkey

I have a question. Now, caregivers are allowed to collectively posses 2oz between themselves and a patient, along with 6 plants. If A64 passes, will caregivers be allowed to disregard the 2oz limit at the location where they grow a lawful amount of plants? Since A64 allows you to keep what you grow, would that include caregivers that legally grow more than 6 plants? And would patients be allowed to keep all they grow from the 6 medicinal plants and the 6 recreational plants, or would the 6 medicinal plants still have a 2oz limit?

Monkey
Monkey

 @pitchman101 You have been brainwashed by a commercialization campaign. Weed isn't sold by cartels in Colorado, it's grown and sold by "we the people". I haven't seen mexican brick weed here for 20 years. The corporate take-over of the weed market can't use big business as a selling point, they need to use scary cartels and gangs for a comparison to create the illusion of safety. The free market is their enemy. To monopolize an undying market like cannabis, you must suppress the people through limitations, enforce an over-regulated commercial system few are willing to enter, and convince people to willingly vote for it by allowing them to posses a small amount of what they want to sell you. You are their target, easily manipulated and not interested in details, such as spelling. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @pitchman101 "Aproval of amendment 64 takes millions of dollars out of the hands of the cartel and gangs"

 

So Private Growers and Caregivers as authorized under Amendment 20 are "cartels and gangs", eh numbnuts, or are you referring to the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels?

 

"Weather [sic] for schools or not,the point is that  Regardless of what apponents [sic] of A64 say ..."

 

Did your mother raise you to be an illiterate ignoramus, or is that a skill you developed on your own ?

 

Only someone as intellectually depraved as you could support the worthless turd that is A64.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Patient1 

 

A64 = Truly Misleading

 

A64 = Not Legalization

 

A64 = NO reduction in Arrests

 

A64 = a Fraud and a Sham

 

Whores for 64 = Lying Liars

 

 

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@nemopunk15

 

Only punks like you would surrender TOTAL CONTROL of all marijuana over to Big Government REGULATORS and the insatiable Dept. of Revenue.

 

puerilepunk15 = a Big Government, Big Tax, Nanny Statist.

 

ps: -- 10s of THOUSANDS of ADULTS are DENIED ANY PROTECTIONS under the Unfair, Discriminatory Turd that is A64.

 

Real_Marijuana_User
Real_Marijuana_User

 @Monkey How much excess can you grow from only 3 plants?

There is no exception under amendment 64 to allow for more plants.

 

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @mattleising  No profile or anything ...

Several have made that claim & I respect both and it's not an issue by any means . Just curious ......

IcePick
IcePick

 @Monkey  @pitchman101 The only people who stand to gain from a64 failing are illegal drug dealers.  There is nothing in the language that hurts any group other than drug cartels.  You continue to lie you out-of-work ex-grower who is mad because people no longer want to buy your overpriced weed.

denverhi24
denverhi24

@DonkeyHotay @pitchman101 Belive me ther is way more mone that goes to the cartels if u only new how much money leavs Colorado.

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 You can all argue & disagree w/ Hotay all you want , but would you PLEASE  before responding , investigate his views and angles . You'll learn as I have , he's RARELY wrong ...

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay See what i mean folks.

 

Donkey = Black Market Drug Dealer worried about loosing business to legal, regulated Colorado Businesses.

Monkey
Monkey

 @Real_Marijuana_User I guess my question is, if A64 passes, it seems patients and caregivers are allowed to "assist" anyone over 21, but will they still need to keep track of only possessing 2oz per patient at home, or will all "the marijuana produced from the plants"  be considered "not unlawful"?

mattleising
mattleising

 @Juan_Leg I think there are a few profiles like that on both sides on here lol

mattleising
mattleising

 @Juan_Leg  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 Wow you shouldn't be called anything. The only thing that should be happening is being thanked for your service. I'm sorry that you feel that it's ok to call soldiers "murderers." If you feel that way you should either take a serious look in the mirror or simply move. I'm also sorry that you feel that you need to constantly insult others instead of simply debate them with facts and logic like an adult. Good luck in life man, I think you're going to need it.

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @mattleising  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 

I could be called much worse . Like IcePick or Carole Chambers !

You know , since you are all coming at him in numbers , you might try combining your IQ's . It's most obviously needed ....

mattleising
mattleising

 @Juan_Leg  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 So then you're ok with them being called "murderers" then? I know my marine friends and nephew would take great offense to that statement. I haven't even served and I take offense to that. I think should really think about that

mattleising
mattleising

 @Juan_Leg  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101  I was saying that Donkey is un-patriotic for calling soldiers murderers and that there was no way that he was being sarcastic and you've been defending him. Did you lose you leg and go nearly blind in the "sand trap" man? That's rough

mattleising
mattleising

 @Juan_Leg  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 I can guarantee that he was not being sarcastic. I'll tell you what, explain to me how saying, "soldiers are murders" can be taken as sarcasm? Why would one even joke about something as ridiculous as that?

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @mattleising  @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 I'm grateful this is 2012 and not 1968 .

You spineless people would really be lost ! It amuses me to no end , watching everyone gang up on Hotay and exploiting your ignorance's in masses !

There are figures of speech & being on this platform , you should know better than to ignore OBVIOUS , sarcasm ! Hotay is NOT a president elect as you ALL have made him out to be !

Smells like shit on that 'mountain' & you wonder why ???....

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

 @IcePick  @DonkeyHotay  @pitchman101 

And IcePrick is the BIGGEST HYPOCRITE 'IGNORANT' RACIST I have witness in these blogs !

I heard IcePrick is going as Hotay this Halloween ! He should do rather well considering he emulates and plagiarizes Donkey , to ALL his fellow 'IGNORANTS' to sound intelligent !

F'n 'IGNORANT' loser !!!

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Did i strike a nerve!

 

Hey folks, check out Donkey calling all A-20 card holders Fakers on the story about the numbers going up today!

 

I Think we figured out why Donkey is always copy and pasting the same comments over and over. It's because Donkey smoked to much moldy crap weed to keep Donkey's lies straight.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nemopunk15 You're the scumbag who calls OTHER marijuana users and growers "black market" and "criminals".

 

Now go fuck yourself, you gutless hypocritical sniveling little shit.

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay LMAO! Now i am anti-marijuana and a prohibitionist!

 

Which one of us is arguing against buying legal pot in legal stores?

 

This must be what happens when you sit at home all day smoking moldy crap.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @nemopunk15 = anti-marijuana prohibitionists who asserts that marijuana users who grow their own, or supply their patients under A20 are "black market".

 

 

mattleising
mattleising

 @DonkeyHotay  @orson  @Monkey Here it is Donkey! Enjoy!

(7) Medical marijuana provisions unaffected.  NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED: (a) TO LIMIT ANY PRIVILEGES OR RIGHTS OF A MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENT, PRIMARY CAREGIVER, OR LICENSED ENTITY AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 14 OF THIS ARTICLE AND THE COLORADO MEDICAL MARIJUANA CODE; (b) TO PERMIT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER TO DISTRIBUTE MARIJUANA TO A PERSON WHO IS NOT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENT; (c) TO PERMIT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER TO PURCHASE MARIJUANA OR MARIJUANA PRODUCTS IN A MANNER OR FROM A SOURCE NOT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE COLORADO MEDICAL MARIJUANA CODE; (d) TO PERMIT ANY MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION 14 OF THIS ARTICLE AND THE COLORADO MEDICAL MARIJUANA CODE TO OPERATE ON THE SAME PREMISES AS A RETAIL MARIJUANA STORE.; OR (e) TO DISCHARGE THE DEPARTMENT, THE COLORADO BOARD OF HEALTH, OR THE COLORADO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT FROM THEIR STATUTORY AND CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES TO REGULATE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PURSUANT TO SECTION 14 OF THIS ARTICLE AND THE COLORADO MEDICAL MARIJUANA CODE.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @orson  @Monkey 

 

At least A20 has the "or more as medically necessary" option -- however tenuous -- where A64 allows NO variance.

 

Brian Vicente has stated publicly that Law Enforcement should target those "marijuana criminals" who dare violate his pathetically puny limits.

 

 

orson
orson

 @Monkey   It would be kind of like a patient claiming they could grow their 6 medical plants under A20 plus 6 recreational plants under A64, 12 total.  I see what you are saying and a jury might buy that line of defense but I really doubt a police officer or prosecutor would.  Best to stay in clear compliance of the law in my opinion. 

Monkey
Monkey

 @nemopunk15 I think we might see allot more craigslist posts that start saying, (A64 compliant) and have "donations" listed.

Monkey
Monkey

 @orson I guess it would kind of be lying, but I like to think of it as, using the law to your advantage. The closer it gets, the more I realize this thing might pass, so I'm desperately trying to find something positive in the pile of shit. The only thing I can up with is maybe, if the cops were to break down your door and search your house, finding a lawful amount of plants because you are a patient with an extended count or you're a caregiver, but they found more than 2oz per patient, you could say that the extra amount came from a "recreational" plant you harvested last week, since we are all allowed to grow "three flowering plants" for "recreational" use. And that plant was so big, it yielded the exact amount over. Is that too much of a stretch, I'm really trying hard to come to terms with people actually voting for this.

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay  @Monkey If that is what you think we were talking about your total BS about A64 might just be retardation.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  @nemopunk15 

 

You really think you can "Double Down" and grow / possess as BOTH a Patient/Caregiver and Recreational user ?

 

Chris Bartkowicz would share your delusion.

orson
orson

 @Monkey  I don't know exactly what would be covered under "assisting" someone with growing but it would definitely be illegal to sell anything thing grown under A64.  With A64 if you are selling marijuana as a caregiver and are over 2 ounces per patient I don't see how you could say it is protected by the personal use section of A64.  Anything grown for personal use cannot be sold. --  "NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE"

 

"(3) Personal use of marijuana.  NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW, THE FOLLOWING ACTS ARE NOT UNLAWFUL AND SHALL NOT BE AN OFFENSE UNDER COLORADO LAW OR THE LAW OF ANY LOCALITY WITHIN COLORADO OR BE A BASIS FOR SEIZURE OR FORFEITURE OF ASSETS UNDER COLORADO LAW FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER:              (a) POSSESSING, USING, DISPLAYING, PURCHASING, OR TRANSPORTING MARIJUANA ACCESSORIES OR ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA.              (b) POSSESSING, GROWING, PROCESSING, OR TRANSPORTING NO MORE THAN SIX MARIJUANA PLANTS, WITH THREE OR FEWER BEING MATURE, FLOWERING PLANTS, AND POSSESSION OF THE MARIJUANA PRODUCED BY THE PLANTS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE PLANTS WERE GROWN, PROVIDED THAT THE GROWING TAKES PLACE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED SPACE, IS NOT CONDUCTED OPENLY OR PUBLICLY, AND IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.             

 

(c) TRANSFER OF ONE OUNCE OR LESS OF MARIJUANA WITHOUT REMUNERATION TO A PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.         

 

e) ASSISTING ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER IN ANY OF THE ACTS DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS (a) THROUGH (d) OF THIS SUBSECTION."

 

 

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/regulate-marijuana-alcohol-act-2012

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @Monkey A-64 does not provide for Caregivers or any other growing for others provision. If you want to grow more than 6 plants for your self (3 in bloom at a time) you will need to become a medical caregiver and all that entails.

 

A-64 is not full blown legalization, its a step towards it. Adults can grow their own, but they can't sell it to anyone else. The reality is that you can grow far more cannabis with A-20 caregiver rules and protections than you can under A-64.

 

Caregivers can only sell to folks with MMJ cards, that will not change. They may be able to give away up to an ounce to any adult under A-20 but why give away anything to anyone who is not sick?

Monkey
Monkey

 @nemopunk15Why? Patients and caregivers are residents of Colorado, A64 applies to them too. A64 says everyone can "assist" anyone over 21,  "growing", "transferring" etc. Patients and caregivers can "distribute" to everyone if A64 passes, but MMCs can't. Do you think patients and caregivers can avoid the 2oz per patient home limitations currently in use under A20 by using A64s (keep what you grow without limitation) privileges?

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @Monkey  @Real_Marijuana_User A-64 does not effect A-20-Caregivers at all. They will still have to follow the rules they follow now, and would not be able to sell to anyone over 21. As A-64 does not allow for person to person sales.

The limits on plants and ounces that Caregivers have now, they will continue to have regardless of A-64's outcome.

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