Marijuana: Susan Sarandon voicing robocalls for Amendment 64

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Susan Sarandon.
Last night, I got a call from Susan Sarandon.

No, she didn't want to talk to me about her Academy Award for Dead Man Walking or the eleven pending projects listed on her IMDB page or whether Justin Timberlake is a motherlover in real life. No, she wanted to tout Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana LIke Alcohol Act, for which she's voicing robocalls.

Afterward, I contacted Amendment 64 proponent Mason Tvert to get more information about this effort, including whether locals can expect to receive robocalls from more notables as election day neared. Via e-mail, he confirmed that calls voiced by Sarandon and former Congressman and ex-gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo are currently in rotation. However, he declined to provide any additional information or sound files so we could share the recordings.

Why is Sarandon involved in a ballot measure that's specific to Colorado? One clue is her membership on the advisory board of the Marijuana Policy Project, a national organization that backs Amendment 64 philosophically and financially. As we noted in a September post about funding for Amendment 64, MPP has donated by far the largest percentage of cash received by the campaign to date. Here's a graphic illustrating its contributions from the Voter's Edge website; the data was updated on October 16.

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Also a member of the MPP advisory board is Melissa Etheridge, who's recorded a radio advertisement for Amendment 64, as has Tancredo.

Continue to read more about the Marijuana Policy Project and to hear the Etheridge and Tancredo ads.


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threebang3
threebang3

Yep.  Susan Sarandon is reason enough to vote no (the middle name she gave her child was after the killer Jack Abbott).  Also get ready for more government beauracracy.  If pot is legalized and controlled like alcohol, where does the money to control it come from?  Are we ready for BATF and Pot?  The police aren't going to be saving all this money to chase "real" criminals, they are merely going to switch it from enforcing the current pot laws (which is very little by the way) to dealing with the stoner drivers, illegal possession (hopefully certain individuals cannot legally purchase pot), and monitoring the legal sales within their jurisdictions.  Virtually no gain for a big societal step backwards.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

Amendment 64 legalizes one ounce six plants no more doctor's visits.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 Quoting "Stupid Stoner"  :

"Impossible for whom? Certainly not for the tens of thousands who did obtain physician recommendations prior to 2009."

 

I didn't know anyone that had a doctor's recommendation before 2009.  Now I know several folks that do.  Why the change?  Could it have been the Holder Memo?

 

It seems that any change in the law by a President Romney or a change by the State of Colorado could disrupt the pipeline of doctor's recommendations which puts the six plant home gardener out of business.  It's back to buying ounces of mystery weed from some illegal grower again, instead of the fun hobby of growing your own

 

A64 would remove the necessity of seeking a doctor that is not afraid of the feds.

 

Look at what happened in Montana, they screwed the cardholders there,   It's back to buying ounces of mystery weed from illegal dealers for Montanans.

 

"The number of medical marijuana cardholders registered with the state has fallen fell below 9,000 as of May 31, 2012. The number of cardholders peaked at 31,522 as of May 31, 2011, a month before a law passed earlier that year took effect to make it much harder to qualify for a medical marijuana card."

 

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/number-of-montana-medical-marijuana-cardholders-drops-below/article_c1c43b8c-b0ff-11e1-8b43-0019bb2963f4.html

 

orson
orson

"Roughly 89 percent of the Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol's money is from out of state."  Interesting that the westword doesn't mention this fact I pulled from the DP.  Also interesting that the westword doesn't mention the substantial contribution by progressive insurance chairman Peter Lewis reported by other media sources.  A64 is a re-branding campaign funded by people outside of Colorado that don't care what the law will do to the citizens of colorado.

 

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21820068

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

As Donkey HAS explained , it has been reduced to a petty offense , which by law standards is defined as being decriminalized .

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner I gotta say that watching Chippi hound Romer and Suthers on Vflog was entertaining.  

 

Perhaps she is good for something after all, even though the Donkey would consider her a one-time **$$Big Greedy Dispensary$$** owner .

Kevins_Mom
Kevins_Mom

 @kevin_hunt Now Kevin, I've told you to stop harassing Kathleen simply because she rejected your romantic advances.

 

You never were very popular as a child, remember I had to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you.

 

Play nice.

 

Mom

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @orson Most of those who claim to support A64 are either out of state posters or self confessed non users and non growers of marijuana.

 

As Donkey accurately pointed out, they are meddlers, carpetbaggers and dilettantes.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Juan_Leg Right, so why do we still have over 10,000 arrests in Colorado each year for marijuana possession?

 

Where does the "decriminalized marijuana" come from?  One Brown Mouse?

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner No, I live in Denver.  

 

You neve answered the question: what are you going to do with your life if A64 fails?  

 

If it does fail, it will be because the people in the state that hate weed and weed users (Ft. Collins/CO Springs/GJ prohibitionists) made the effort to get out and vote more than the indifferent 20-somethings that figured someone else would vote yes for them.  

 

The CO prohibitionists that vote against A64 would have voted down A70, too.

 

What is your plan to make marijuana legal in Colorado?

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner  "or self confessed non users and non growers of marijuana."

 

So where is a crime to be a non user and non-grower? 

 

Why does Donkey not argue with legendary prohibitionists SuperBenFranklin or Matt Landner?  Could it be that the Donkey does not want marijuana to be legal?  

 

Why does the Donkey say that hemp causes suicide and ball cancer?

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt  Because of 2 reasons:

 

1) the A64 promoters are lying about how many arrests actually happen.

 

2) those arrested in Colorado have more than 2 ounces, or are arrested for sales, or are cultivating more than 6 plants. A64 would not protect from any of those crimes.

Kevins_Mom
Kevins_Mom

 @kevin_hunt  It's no surprise that anybody who grew or sold marijuana did not want to know you.

 

You were unpopular, we get it.

 

You'd sell out total control of all marijuana to the government in exchange for 1 ounce, we get it.

 

You're not really a pro-marijuana advocate, regular user, grower or caregiver, we get it.

 

You're not the person anyone would fashion progressive marijuana legislation around. Hope you get it.

 

Your Mom.

 

 

 

 

Kevins_Mom
Kevins_Mom

 @kevin_hunt  It's no surprise that anybody who grew or sold marijuana did not want to know you.

 

You were unpopular, we get it.

 

You'd sell out total control of all marijuana to the government in exchange for 1 ounce, we get it.

 

You're not really a pro-marijuana advocate, regular user, grower or caregiver, we get it.

 

You're not the person anyone would fashion progressive marijuana legislation around. Hope you get it.

 

Your Mom.

 

 

 

 

A64_Lies
A64_Lies

 @kevin_hunt  It's no surprise that anybody who grew or sold marijuana did not want to know you.

 

You were unpopular, we get it.

 

You'd sell out total control of all marijuana to the government in exchange for 1 ounce, we get it.

 

You're not really a pro-marijuana advocate, regular user, grower or caregiver, we get it.

 

You're not the person anyone would fashion progressive marijuana legislation around. Hope you get it.

 

 

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner " Increase existing decriminalized limits.  ...Decriminalize cultivation and sales."

 

 Decriminalize?  You criticize A64 for not legalizing and you want to "decriminalize"? Decriminalize means that there is a penalty associated with the activity of possessing or growing marijuana. 

 

Does your plan mean that consumers, growers,  and sellers are going to have to pay a $100 fine with a court appearance like those caught with < 2 oz have to do now?  Why would I want to waste a day in a courtroom for an activity that would be legal (six plants one ounce) under A64.  

 

How many times have you had to make a court appearance for possession of < 2 oz of decriminalized  marijuana?  Was it fun going in front of the judge?  Would you recommend this court appearance as a valuable and enjoyable use of time for others; or would you recommend that they go to a doctor and make up a story about severe pain so they can get a card?

 

Stop calling it "weed"?  That's better than you constantly referring to marijuana consumers as "Stoners" and telling everyone that marijuana causes suicide and ball cancer.  Seriously, Donkey, do you think that helps the cause of legalization when you post stuff like that?

 

Also, Who are your backers on this donkey amendment you are proposing after A64 fails? Who are your backers?  Where is the money going to come from to promote your amendment?

 

You dodged the question last time: Who is backing your new amendment?

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner  I told  SuperBen that he can't prove that I use the stuff.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt  Let us know when you purchase your first legal ounce of marijuana from a recreational retail store in Colorado.

 

[ cue crickets chirping on infinite loop ]

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @Clayton  When, exactly, have they been tried? 

When, exactly, have they failed?

 

Slackers and losers love to justify their preemptive surrender, it's the easiest thing to do.

 

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Clayton
Clayton

 @Stupid_Stoner  @kevin_hunt You're really sitting there thiniking you're on to something aren't you?  You don't think those ideas have been tried and have failed?  This bill is a comprimise and like many bills it's not ideal for everyone.  To not vote for it is just dumb for the overall movement.  If you can't pass something like this you really think you can get a bill by with more lose language?  You live in a fairy tale where you are all knowing and the rest of us are stupid yet we're the ones that will get this passed and you are among those that just prefer to sit there and will criticize anything. And by the way, who "needs" more than 2 ounces at one time?  Because I can buy cases of Alchohol I buy one bottle at a time and go back to the store when I need more.  I know idiotic, I know. 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner OK, I'd vote for that, just like I would have voted for A70.

 

Who do you have lined up to push this initiative should A64 fail?

 

Chippi clearly has angered too many people to get the job done herself.  I can't believe how she interrupted Russ Bellville at the Denver Cannabis Cup.  She's just plain rude.

 

Who are your backers?

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 

 

1) Don't waste $3,000,000.00 on a fake legalization effort that has lower limits and more restrictions than what is and has been already decriminalized in Colorado for over 35 years.

 

2) Increase existing decriminalized limits.

 

Spend the political and financial capital raising the already decriminalized limits to include a significant portion, if not all, of the 10,000 people you claim are arrested for marijuana offenses every year in Colorado -- offenses that are obviously over 2 ounces.

 

3) Decriminalize cultivation and sales.

 

Include progressive sustainable cultivation allowances that actually eliminate the need for any individual to ever go beyond their own backyard for their supply. Include personal non-taxed private transfer / sales between consenting adults. 

 

4) Expunge the criminal records of all marijuana convictions, allowing those non-violent citizens full right, access to and participation in society, without prejudice.

 

Instead of empty symbolic ineffective "legalization" initiatives that instantly become a political lightning rod in a strongly divided electorate -- promote functional and effective decriminalization measures which have much more voter support is a far more efficient and effective means of positive change.

 

Note that it was the conservative Colorado legislature who passed recreational decriminalization back in 1975, for everyone without age restriction.

 

It was the conservative Colorado legislature who doubled the recreational possession limit to 2 ounces in 2010, again without any age restriction.

 

It's absurd that a citizen's initiative would shoot for lesser limits as A64 does, and insert arbitrary age restrictions that -- by the proponents own statistics -- exclude nearly 50% of those arrested for marijuana from protection under that initiative.

 

Forget trying to commercialize, monopolize, tax, restrict and control it with government bribes and submissive entreaties.

 

Stop conflating it with deadly alcohol, or any other drug of substance that harms, maims and kills.

 

Stop calling it "weed" and other such juvenile antics.

 

Stop telling absurd lies in support of marijuana, medical or otherwise, as it just alienates the voters and destroys any credibility. A64 has long ago jumped the shark in their ocean of deceptions and prevarications.

 

Enhanced decriminalization is a much easier political and public sell than "legalization", and can achieve more real world benefit, without surrendering total control, regulation and oversight of marijuana to the insatiable bureaucratic government, or running headfirst into the entrenched prohibitionist machine.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner Right, I get it.  I voted Yes on 64 and you voted no.

 

What is your plan to make marijuana legal in Colorado?

 

 

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt It should be clear to even someone like you -- who didn't know any of the tens of thousands of medical marijuana users prior to 2009, and only knows a few now -- that many long time pro-marijuana advocates, users and growers will be voting no on the empty and poorly conceived A64.

 

One reason you illustrate is that A64 allows marijuana haters in Ft. Collins, Colorado Springs, Grand Junction and elsewhere to ban retail outlets as they already have done under the local option of HB1284.

 

No true pro-marijuana constitutional amendment initiative would allow every local entity to deny the very rights it seeks to establish. A64 was written to fail, even if it passes.

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @orson I wish I could say that you are right about Romney, but you are wrong.  He hates the stuff because he is a square Mormon.  There is absolutely no way anyone could be clearer than Romney has been regarding the only issue that he has never flip-flopped on:

 

""Governor Romney has a long record of opposing the use of marijuana for any reason," a spokesperson said. "He opposes legalizing drugs, including marijuana for medicinal purposes. He will fully enforce the nation’s drug laws, and he will oppose any attempts at legalization.""  

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/mitt-romney-marijuana_n_1931995.html

 

Do you see any ambiguity there?  "has a long record of opposing the use of marijuana for any reason"..."including marijuana for medicinal purposes".

 

He would be much worse than Obama because he gets his advice from Mel Sembler.

orson
orson

 @kevin_hunt  An overwhelming majority of Mitt Romney's voter base support state rights to medical marijuana, including his running mate Paul Ryan who has said so publicly...google it...he may not express support for medical marijuana but there is no way he will use government resources to fight state legal MEDICAL marijuana related activities. 

 

Mitt Romney ‘Softens’ On President Obama’s Immigration Policy…And On Marijuana?

http://www.mediaite.com/print/mitt-romney-softens-on-president-obamas-immigration-policy-and-on-marijuana/

 

In the article it shows that Romney is evading addressing medical marijuana and does not want to discuss it but continues to draw a hard line about fighting recreational marijuana.  Keep marijuana medical....don't gamble with my rights to medical marijuana....vote NO on amendment 64.

Kevins_Mom
Kevins_Mom

 @kevin_hunt  Now Kevin, you know your father and I never allowed you to hang around the cool kids.

 

Don't forget your violin lesson this afternoon.

 

Mom

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @orson  You are right on the order of the memos:

 

"In October 2009, Holder’s stated policy was memorialized in a memo written by then Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden to United States Attorneys in states with medical marijuana programs. "

 

http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/library/HolderObamaStatements.pdf

 

You are wrong that Romney supports medical marijuana laws.

 

Where did you get that Idea?

 

He said less than two weeks ago that all use, including medical use of marijuana is wrong.  He has said he will fight legalization "tooth and nail".

 

"Vote No on it already"?  Too late, I already voted yes.

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @orson  You are right on the order of the memos:

 

"In October 2009, Holder’s stated policy was memorialized in a memo written by then Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden to United States Attorneys in states with medical marijuana programs. "

 

http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/library/HolderObamaStatements.pdf

 

You are wrong that Romney supports medical marijuana laws.

 

Where did you get that Idea?

 

He said less than two weeks ago that all use, including medical use of marijuana is wrong.  He has said he will fight legalization "tooth and nail".

 

 

 

orson
orson

@kevin_hunt  Wrong Kevin.  It all happened because of the 2009 OGDEN memo like I stated. You can read it at the link below.  Here is an excerpt: "should not focus federal resources in your States on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana"

 

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/10/colorado_attorney_general_john.php

 

The Holder memo (in 2011?) upheld the 2009 Ogden memo.  Both memos only pertain to MEDICAL marijuana only.   A64 is bad for patients, it's risky, and unnecessary. Keep it medical and you won't have to worry on whether or not it will "go back to the days when you would have to "know a guy that knows a guy" who can get some weed of unknown type."  Romney and Obama both support MEDICAL marijuana laws, not RECREATIONAL marijuana laws like alcohol.  A64 is gambling with my rights to medical marijuana.   Vote NO on it already.

Kevins_Mom
Kevins_Mom

 @kevin_hunt  Now Kevin, everyone knows you were unpopular as a child. You don't need to rationalize it now hat you're an unpopular adult.

 

Mom

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

@Stupid_Stoner

I don't associate with the "guy that the guy knows" because they are violating state law by growing "decriminalized weed" and I don't want to be hanging around  when the cops kick the door in.

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt  "Regardless of whether A64 passes or not, my #1 wish is that we not go back to the days when you would have to "know a guy that knows a guy""

 

No doubt because you weren't very popular among "guys who knew guys" who could get marijuana.

 

Why is that?

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @orson  Regardless of whether A64 passes or not, my #1 wish is that we not go back to the days when you would have to "know a guy that knows a guy" who can get some weed of unknown type.  The truth is that the doctors didn't start advertising until the dispensaries started opening up.  Looking at the back pages of Westword, I see several advertisements for doctors who specialize in recommendations.  I didn't see those before 2009, despite what "stupid stoner" says.

 

I remember when "Herbal Remedies" opened in 2009 in Westminster..a one stop shop.  Get your card, get your weed...easy.

 

It all happened because of the Holder Memo. Of course, the Holder memo no longer applies since the Ogden memo came out.  The Ogden memo does not imply "hands off", it states that medical programs are subject to the whim of the Feds.  They still might find a way to tamper with the doctor-patient relationship, despite Conant v. Walters.

 

If you take away the requirement to seek a doctor, Romney cannot do anything about the hundreds of thousands of personal six plant grows in the state.

 

A64 gives us more protection from Fed interference than A20.

orson
orson

 @kevin_hunt  @Stupid_Stoner 

Mitt Romney + A64 = total disaster for all marijuana use ---- a tragic combination that would shove us back into the harsh drug policies of the Reagan administration 

 

Mitt Romney - "I oppose marijuana being used for recreational purposes and I believe the federal law should prohibit the recreational use of marijuana."

"Earlier this year, Romney vowed to fight marijuana legalization "tooth and nail." In explaining his position, he outlined his belief that marijuana was a gateway to harder drugs. "

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/mitt-romney-marijuana_n_1931995.html

orson
orson

 @Stupid_Stoner @kevin_hunt   Kevin does have a point on this one.  Prior to the obama administration it seemed harder to get a physician recommendation for marijuana and doctors wanted documentation of a chronic condition justifying the need for medicinal marijuana.  However, once the obama admin adopted the position that the feds would not intervene with state legal MEDICAL marijuana operations via the ogden memo it seemed doctors started accepting patients with no medical history and I've not heard of anyone being denied by a clinic doctor since.....which is why there are now 100k registered patients in colorado.  The ogden memo, hands off approach to state medical marijuana laws does not apply to "recreational" marijuana laws so if A64 passes....we are back to 2008 in the fed-state legal discrepancy.  A step backwards!  If obama gets re-elected in a few years we might see a similar memo that will turn a blind eye to state legal "recreational" marijuana.....but....if Mitch Romney ends up winning and A64 passes then all marijuana rights in colorado will be in jeopardy.  A64 is gambling with my rights to medical marijuana.  A64 is bad for patients, it's risky, and unnecessary.  Vote NO on it already.

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt Impossible for whom?

 

Certainly not for the tens of thousands who did obtain physician recommendations prior to 2009.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner "can't find a physician anywhere in Colorado to write them a recommendation. "

 

Why was it nearly impossible to find a doctor to make a recommendation before 2009?  

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner What are you going to do when you don't have Amendment 64 to kick around anymore?  Are you going to take a vacation?

 

 I know you don't like to argue with prohibitionists.

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 1) There was no need to waste any time on the dubious arrest data, since whatever the total marijuana arrests actually are, 10,000 or 5,000 or 1000 or 500, none of them would be protected by A64. All current arrests for marijuana in Colorado fall outside the limits and restrictions of A64.

 

2) You keep worrying about your mythical "perfectly healthy" person who only wants to grow 6 plants, and can't find a physician anywhere in Colorado to write them a recommendation. The rest of the voters are more concerned with the real world and not your strained fantasies.

 

 

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

 

I am not going to waste any more time with you on the arrest data.  Anyone else that reads this will conclude that you have no data to refute mine.

 

 

" You made the hypothetical assertion that some person who might want to grow only 6 plants would not be able to qualify under A20. So prove it."

 

If that person is perfectly healthy and does not have any health issues like cancer, MS, severe pain, or any other qualifying condition, they currently cannot legally grow six plants (3 flowering), like Amendment 64 would allow them to do.

 

Like I said, your hero the "Donkey" has already come out against "gaming the system", so they can't lie to obtain "the card".

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 1) The person asserting the positive claim has the obligation of proving it. There is no law enforcement data to support the 10,000 arrest claim made by A64 proponents.

 

Nonetheless, those mythical 10,000 people would not be protected from arrest under A64's proposed limits, as shown above.

 

2) You made the hypothetical assertion that some person who might want to grow only 6 plants would not be able to qualify under A20. So prove it. What person who actually wanted a physician referral under A20 has not been able to obtain one? 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

1) "There is no actual law enforcement data "

 

There is no data provided by you for to refute my claim, so you merely avoid the question.  Typical Donkey...back to the wall..it dodges the question.

 

The claim was not made by CRMLA, it was made by Jon Gettman , Ph.D."The Bulletin of Cannabis Reform"

 

 2)" It's a relevant disposition to the hypothesis you asserted, that someone who wants to grow 6 plants would not qualify under A20."

 

Again, not answering the question.  Someone that does not have a medical condition to make them eligible for Amendment 20 would currently face 6-18 months imprisonment as well as a fine between $500-$5,000.

 

Of course, being an illegal grower, you knew that, "One Brown Donkey".

 

The cultivation of 6 plants or fewer is a Class 1 misdemeanor 

18-18-406(8) of the Colorado Revised Statutes

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 1) Correct. There is no actual law enforcement data to prove the wild 10,000 arrests claimed by the A64 proponents.

 

2) It's a relevant disposition to the hypothesis you asserted, that someone who wants to grow 6 plants would not qualify under A20.

 

In fact, obtaining an increased plant count recommendation from a mmj physician is trivially easy and used by many patients and growers to cultivate a reasonable supply not possible with the 6 plant limit.

 

A64 provides no exceptions or reasonable increases from its 6 plant limit.

 

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

 

1. So where is the actual law enforcement data?  I have asked you to provide it, but so far no citation.

 

2. "What person in Colorado that actually wanted to obtain a physician recommendation under A20 has ever been denied ? "

 

Why is that relevant?

 

The Donkey told me once that they disapproved of people using fake excuses to get a doctor's recommendation.  Are you condoning such behavior?  

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 1) A64 proponents are asserting the 10,000 number as fact. The obligation is on them to prove it. It's absurd on its face, but makes excellent illustration of how many people A64 would fail to protect.

 

2) What person in Colorado that actually wanted to obtain a physician recommendation under A20 has ever been denied ? 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

 

1. "Yes, the grossly inflated10,000 arrest figure is unsupported by any actual law enforcement data."

 

So where is the actual law enforcement data?  I have asked you to provide it, but so far no citation.

 

2. " fall outside the limits of decriminalized 2 ounces, and would therefore fall outside the protections of A64."

 

What about someone that does not qualify for A20 and wants to grow six plants (three flowering)? What would happen to those people now under the current decriminalization?  Wouldn't they be arrested and face jail time?

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 1) Yes, the grossly inflated10,000 arrest figure is unsupported by any actual law enforcement data.However such a wild exaggeration of arrests just makes the failure of A64's proposed limits all that more obvious.

 

2) You don't speak for most people. 2 ounces is already decriminalized, and per the stats you claim, More than 10,000 people do not stay under the 2 ounce limit, much less the 1 ounce proposed by A64, or are caught selling, or growing more than 6 plants, none of which are protected by A64.

 

3) A64 will not "force" anyone to go "legit" anymore than A20 forced people to go legit. Per your own stats, 10,000 people every year since A20 passed fall outside the limits of A20 and fall outside the limits of decriminalized 2 ounces, and would therefore fall outside the protections of A64.

 

4) A64's own inflated statistics also show that nearly 50% of all marijuana arrests in Colorado are for those under 21 years old.

A64 excludes everyone under 21 from coverage, so immediately 50% (5000) claimed arrests are factually excluded from any possible protection under A64.

 

As Donkey, Kathleen and Monkey have clearly shown, A64 provides no actual reduction in arrests. A64 would fail, by design, to protect the 10,000 people it's proponents claim are arrested every year.

 

 

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner "so A64 does not help your 10,600 at all. "

1. So you are not refuting the number of arrests?  You said " the A64 promoters are lying about how many arrests actually happen."

 

2. "The arrest number for possession will be the same before or after A64 since only 1 ounce is allowed under A64."

 

I beg to differ, most folks will stay under the one ounce limit and run to the weed store to get more when they need it.  No need to stock up if the supply is steady.

 

3.  "All marijuana is "black market" under federal law, A64 does not change this."  And neither did A70, which your buddies were promoting.

 

My point was that your "decriminalized" weed comes from growers that violate STATE law and occasionally get arrested and incarcerated.  A64 will force many of them to go legit or go out of business, thereby reducing arrests for illegal sales and cultivation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 

1) No possession arrests for up to 2 ounces, it is decriminalized. Any current possession arrests are for more than 2 ounces, so A64 does not help your 10,600 at all. The arrest number for possession will be the same before or after A64 since only 1 ounce is allowed under A64.

 

2) No license required for caregiver growers under A20. All marijuana comes from the same place -- marijuana plants.

All marijuana is "black market" under federal law, A64 does not change this.

 

3) All personal sales illegal under A64, so no reduction in arrests for sales.

 

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

 

1)  How many arrests in Colorado each year for marijuana possession?  Use a number this time, instead of dodging the question.  My sources say 10,600.  Refute away.

 

http://www.drugscience.org/States/CO/CO.pdf

 

2) "same place all marijuana comes from"  

 

Wrong, in Colorado, marijuana either comes from growers who are licensed under A20, or it comes from growers that are producing marijuana in violation of Colorado state law.  If they are selling "decriminalized marijuana" under A20 protections, then they are violating state law.

 

Specifically, what type of grower produces "decriminalized marijuana" in Colorado?  Illegal or "decriminalized" growers?

 

 

 

 

nemopunk15
nemopunk15

 @Stupid_Stoner  @kevin_hunt 

1. Stop lying.

2. Your mean the Black Market, it has a name, and not all Marijuana comes from there.

3. I agree, then disagree quickly.

Stupid_Stoner
Stupid_Stoner

 @kevin_hunt 

1) none for possessing 2 ounces or less, so A64 does not help at all.

2) same place all marijuana comes from

3) no, I'm just a stupid stoner who knows more than you.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @Stupid_Stoner 

 

1) How many arrests in Colorado each year for marijuana possession?

 

2) Where does the "decriminalized marijuana" in Colorado come from? 

 

3) Are you Donkey Hotay?

 

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