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Medical Marijuana Industry Group likes not always flattering Newsweek "pot barons" article

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Newsweek may be abandoning print at year's end, but the venerable magazine remains an actual publication -- and its current cover story, "The New Pot Barons," shines a light on a major player in the Colorado weed biz: the Medical Marijuana Industry Group. The resulting article doesn't always cast MMIG in a flattering light, but a spokesman isn't complaining.

At the top of a piece featuring the subhead "Businessmen Bank on Marijuana," writer Tony Dokoupil writes about Denver "drug dealers" putting money into envelopes. But these aren't your typical pushers. The group includes a "finance veteran, two children of the Ivy League, multiple lawyers, and the son of a police chief," joined by "a Pulitzer Prize-winning communications consultant, two state lobbyists, and a nationally known political operative. And the guest of honor: a state senator who likes the look of those envelopes being stuffed."

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The participants aren't named, but as is clear from subsequent conversations about "a youth drug-abuse-prevention program and a bill to define 'drugged' driving," they are clearly industry heavyweights of the sort who make up the Medical Marijuana Industry Group, whose Norton Arbelaez serves as Dokoupil's de facto tour guide through much of the article.

The piece documents how Arbelaez and Jon Salfeld, pals from Tulane Law School, moved to Colorado in 2009 and set about pushing legislation that simultaneously professionalized the industry and wiped out half of it, all in the name of potentially monstrous profits and buy-ins from the likes of Philip Morris, which is rumored to have leased warehouse space in these parts.

When Dokoupil floats the prospect of whether "Colorado's burgeoning pot business could be the basis for a third huge, blood-sucking vice industry, dependent on converting kids and supporting heavy users," Arbelaez shrugs off the possibility, stressing that his peers "have families, and they employ families. They're about helping people, not hurting people." But the reporter has his doubts while hanging with the high-rollers at the Churchill Bar after an MMIG board meeting. "As a Bond-girl waitress delivered round after round of top-shelf conviviality and an electronic joint prototype appeared," he writes, "it was easy to see my hosts thirty years from now, when legalization is here, sitting in the same woozy affluence -- fatter, balder and famously rich."

Continue to read the Medical Marijuana Industry Group's take on the article.



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kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

Possession of up to two ounces of marijuana in Colorado is now a Class Two petty offense, punishable by a fine of up to $100 and up to 15 days in jail.

 

If 64 passes, the first ounce would be legal for those 21 and up, but possession of one to two ounces would remain a petty offense.

 

If 64 passes, growing up to six plants for personal use would become legal for those 21 and up.

 

Currently growing even one plant is a class one misdemeanor, which comes with a fine of up to $5000 and a jail sentence of up to 18 months.

 

http://coloradoindependent.com/125033/marijuana-in-colorado-from-the-black-market-to-the-corner-store

 

johnknock
johnknock

When marijuana is legal, and it surely will be please don't forget the citizens who are paying the ultimate price.  They are the non-violent, marijuana inmates serving sentences of life without parole.  http://www.lifeforpot.com  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Charles Gleason said "Fuck the industry they sold out the patients for a few bucks, so who cares how those whores are treated."

 

Word !!

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

Watch the Donkey go nuts when I post this...

 

A new report from the Marijuana Arrest Research Project just came out today. And the findings are startling.

In the 25 years from 1986 to 2010, police and sheriffs' departments in Colorado made 210,000 arrests for the crime of possessing small amounts of marijuana. That's enough to empty the cities of Fort Collins and Grand Junction combined.

It gets worse. Although young African Americans and Latinos use marijuana at lower rates than young whites, in the last 10 years, police in Colorado arrested Latinos at 1.5 times the rate of whites and arrested blacks at 3.1 times the rate of whites.

 

 

We know the Donkey response in advance:

 

"proven habitual liar and self-aggrandizing meddling dilettante lying scum sucking pot clown provacateurs..you=idiot...You = a fraud....You = hypocritical self-centered prohibitionist scum..blah blah blah"

 

Name calling makes you look childish, not me.  I am laughing at the Donkey..

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

No matter how many times the Donkey insults everyone, they cannot justify why our current "decriminalized" scheme is better than A64.

 

Under the current "decriminalized" scheme possession is punishable by a $100 fine and mandatory court appearance. Cultivation of a single plant is punishable by 18 months in jail.

 

A64 removes these penalties for adults over 21.  Anyone 18-21 who needs marijuana can still get marijuana under A20.

 

Quoting Donkey "if you are stupid enough to get caught with a pathetic ounce, you deserve to be fined".  That says it all, donkey wants marijuana users to be punished.

 

Donkey also cannot tell us who is backing their "decriminalization" measure that they are proposing if A64 fails.  I doubt that they have anyone backing them.

 

Go ahead and call me names Donkey, I'll continue to flag the posts as abusive and everyone will continue to see you as childish because you substitute insults for logic.

 

 

Jeremy Kilbourne
Jeremy Kilbourne

Wow Charles. I'm sure you really have some skin in the game right? I'm sure you put in everything you own to serve patients right? I'm sure you stood up willing to publicly risk your freedom to serve patients right? Fuck you pal. You know what they say about opinions right? They say your a asshole. One guess your a "caregiver" aka lazy law skirting self interested grower who is unwilling to pay taxes or give patients a safe environment. Good luck pal you lost.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

A64 = One ounce six plants no more doctor's visits.

 

Vote YES on A64.

Tony Soto
Tony Soto

60 Minutes is the only media that has given a non biased report in my opinion!

Clayton Capra
Clayton Capra

How did they sell out the patients? This should be interesting.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

Fuck the industry they sold out the paitents for a few bucks, so who cares how those whores are treated.

victorssecret
victorssecret

@Monkey:  Ever think licensed dispensaries might be a bit envious of your unregulated, untaxed and more often than not, illegal activity?  You have about an 80% edge when compared to dispensaries, no corp tax, no income tax, no fica matching, no sales tax, no workmans comp, no licensing fee, no cost of compliance.  And when one of you "caregivers" do get caught doing something illegal your defense is "medical marijuana".  This undermines the entire system and makes us all look like assholes.

 

@ ColoradoMMJPatient:  I don't call a maximum contribution of $100 cash a bribe... ha... $100 doesn't pay most parking tickets in Denver.  Read a few more of Tony Dikopul articles so you have a better understanding of his style... his articles read like a chapter from a book. 

 

MMIG is neutral on A64... while individual members beliefs vary.  Tony Dikopul was attempting to write a story on the future "steve jobs" of marijuana.  What's wrong that" Oh yeah, we're all going to be rich.. Is that a problem?  

 

MMIG meetings are help weekly and open to anyone that has an interesting in understanding what we're all about.  contact mike@mmig.com

coloradommjpatient
coloradommjpatient

So, MMIG likes the fact that they BRIBE elected officials? You know Barkowitz was this egotistical, and look what happened to him.

 

The good news is that we have a list of more MMIG dispensaries to boycott.

 

BOYCOTT MMIG Scum

RiverRock

MMJ of America

Local Product of Colorado

The Clinic

Dixie Elixirs

 

These few assholes think they "know" what is best for us. The lobbied for & SUPPORT(ed) a THC DUID bill, destroyed caregivers, helped ban out door advertising, & lobbied for the new laws that are strangling this industry. 

 

PS - Michael, you could learn a lot from this article, it did more to expose what is really going on than you have in the past 3 years. Why don't you do some of the real digging that Westword USED to be known for??? This is low hanging fruit man...a freaking softball!

donkeysareASSES
donkeysareASSES

Gurl - Oh yea! Where's that OTHER amendment anyway? Now these so-called "activists" fight against progress on fed. legalization. I guess money really does dictate how people behave...more important than safe patient access, keeping mj users out of jail, etc. Better to just hide out in ned and keep selling at high prices in illegal states while pretending to make a difference.

MMJbroadway
MMJbroadway

COLA - These people bitch and moan, but its a lot easier to complain than actually build something. They should try providing for patients and offering them REAL services instead of just spitting on lobbyists and legislators, smoking / yelling at rallies, and shipping garbage bud out of state. Then they have the nerve to claim they're putting "patients before profits". Of course, they miss the days when mj was completely illegal bc its the last time they had any money. But their antics never helped anyone. Rather, they only reinforced stereotypes about mj. Fortunately, thanks to smart dispensary owners, nobody listens to them anymore. They spend most of the time trying to convince Rob Corey to take their dumb "cases" for free. Oh yeah, and lets not forget their amendment  that was supposed to compete with 64...what was it called again? LOL. Nice try accomplishing something that requires sophistication and discipline. Yeah, their work for the movement is as spectacular as its always been. 

COLAbear
COLAbear

Donkey - You wacktivists are so DONE. Guess its time to find a job other than making an ass out of yourself. 

J.T.Gurl
J.T.Gurl

I work at a dispensary along with 5 other young adults. There are another 10 of us in the grow. No "caregiver" ever offered me a job. Not that I would have known where to apply or whether I could have relied on a safe working environment. Obviously, there should always be a place for people who want to grow their own medicine. But this idea that "caregivers" (most of whom don't care for anyone except themselves) are growing for altruistic reasons is retarded. At our shop we form personal relationships with patients and help the needy any way possible. We also EMPLOY people and spend lots of $ on contractors to build beautiful, proper, pest-free grows. A "caregiver's" money goes straight into his pocket. Maybe he hires one friend to help him out now and then. All the work is shoddy in an effort to cut costs as much as they can and most of the bud stinks and unreliable in every way. They make their $ and cowardly hide in their basements and forest grows in shame. Thank God for these people who took risks and created nice businesses that help thousands of people (with more than bud!) every day. Love u guys :D

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@kevin_hunt= proven habitual liar

 

There is NO JAIL for simple possession of < 2 ounces of pot.

 

Why do you repeatedly LIE about current Colorado Statute?

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @kevin_hunt 

 

None of those alleged 210,000 arrests for marijuana possession would be prevented by A64 -- not a single one.

 

A64's pathetically puny limits are LESS than what is currently decriminalized in Colorado ... decriminalized for EVERYONE, not just those over 21.

 

hth.

orson
orson

 @kevin_hunt   Again, off topic kevin.  What goes around comes around.  Get used to it.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @kevin_hunt 

 

A64 would reduce ZERO arrests for possession of marijuana, since its pathetically puny limits are LESS than what is currently decriminalized.

 

Why do you support the CONTINUED CRIMINALIZATION and ARRESTS of "10,000+" citizens every year?

 

A64 specifically DENIES and EXCLUDES any coverage to ALL ADULTS < 21 yrs old.

 

Why is marijuana so harmful and dangerous that YOU would deny protection to ALL ADULTS < 21, as A64 does ?

 

Why would you EXCLUDE the very demographic -- under 21 -- that is responsible for nearly 50% of all marijuana arrests ?

 

 

You = hypocritical self-centered prohibitionist scum.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @kevin_hunt What legitimate MEDICAL patient suffering from chronic debilitating diseases would not visit their doctor ? ... at least once a year?

 

You = a fraud.

 

 

 

 

coloradommjpatient
coloradommjpatient

 @victorssecret I have been to those meetings. Those are just show for the lemmings MMIG was trying to get to pay their fees. 

 

The meeting that took place that this article highlights, was that open to anyone or even the other MMIG members???

Monkey
Monkey

 @victorssecret I think they were envious of caregivers, and tried to eliminate them. When that didn't happen, they just got pissed, realizing they volunteered to pay for licenses, fees and taxes while caregivers only had to fill out a free waiver. As for caregivers using medical marijuana as a defense when accused of illegal activity making you look like an asshole..........That's a joke right? Patients and caregivers are the only ones Constitutionally allowed to use medical marijuana as a defense, I guess the industry is envious of that too. MMCs using licenses and fees to make them appear legitimate undermine the entire system, especially when they get caught doing something illegal.

tonydokoupil
tonydokoupil

 @coloradommjpatient Hi, this is Tony Dokoupil, the guy who wrote the Newsweek piece. I just want to say that what I describe in the opening of the story isn't a scene of MMIG "bribing" anyone. It's a scene of MMIG participating in politics, plain and simple, and that's what I hoped to underscore -- the way a marijuana industry group was pulling traditional levers of power, acting like insiders not outsiders. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @MMJbroadway = another pathetic shill for the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels

 

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michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

 @J.T.Gurl Really interesting post, J.T. -- one we're going to make an upcoming Comment of the Day. Appreciate you weighing in.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @J.T.Gurl 

 

**** Silver Lizard dispensary hit with 59-count criminal indictment ****

 

The office of Colorado Attorney General John Suthers has just announced a 59-count indictment against The Silver Lizard, a Denver medical marijuana dispensary.

 

Among the claims: The center was selling marijuana for non-medical purposes to thirteen states and Washington, D.C.

 

The indictment, which is on view below, names Tanner John Kimberlin, 29, Jeremy S. Crawford, 23, Kyle Abt, 26, and Leon Cisneros, 49.

 

They're accused of directing marijuana illegally to "Arizona, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and the District of Columbia."

 

According to an AG office release, Kimberlin and Abt are accused of "participating in the cultivation of marijuana at their individual Elbert County homes, acting as suppliers, and utilizing members of the enterprise to assist in harvests." Kimberlin is also accused of "transporting approximately 100 pounds of marijuana from Colorado to Iowa as part of the distribution ring."

 

Cisneros, who owns The Silver Lizard, allegedly "used his position...to illegally sell dispensary marijuana to undercover law enforcement officers," who "specifically told Cisneros the marijuana was destined for sale to out-of-state college students."

 

He's also said to have "diverted nearly $16,000 in state sales tax money from his marijuana dispensary sales," and providing false information about total taxable sales after being confronted by a Colorado Department of Revenue employee last April.

 

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kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

@DonkeyHotay

The DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education) program, a national program that was initiated in 1983 by then Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates, has become yet another tool disinforming the public on hemp.

    Typically, a police department spokesperson will conduct a 17-week course at a local elementary school to promote personal responsible behavior by young persons while irresponsibly giving them distorted information and outright lies about cannabis.

    Most of the course does not deal with drugs as such, but rather with making choices about how to act when there are opportunities or pressures to drink, smoke, steal, lie, break laws, etc. However, the program’s truly useful support for good behavior is undermined by an undercurrent of lies and innuendo about marijuana’s effects and users.*

    * In an interview, L.A.’s main DARE instructor, Sgt. Domagalski, gave information on the program and made such unsubstantiated—and untrue—statements as marijuana leads to heroin, “The guy across the street or next door has been smoking marijuana for years and there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with him. There is something wrong, but it may not be obvious.” And, “People in the Sixties smoked marijuana and thought there was nothing wrong with it. Now it’s watered and sprayed and pampered—and they’re not concerned what they spray it with, either. But parents don’t know this. They got all their information in the Sixties, and they’re not interested in this new information.” (Downtown News, July 10, 1989. Also see letters section, July 31, 1989 for BACH’s reply.) See chapter 15, “Debunking” for the facts on his “new information.”

     In 1999, DARE still consciously teaches these same lies to our children and threatens any community that dares to tell DARE to stop or cease in their school disrict. However, in 1997 the city of Oakland, California, withdrew from the DARE program and has so far suffered no consequences.

 

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay  No, you are here under false pretenses.  You are an agent of the drug-police.  Get you hence!

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

@DonkeyHotay

Military/factory worker marijuana urine tests are only partially accurate and do not indicate the extent of your intoxication. They indicate only whether you have smoked or been in the presence of cannabis smoke or have eaten hempseed oil or any hempseed ffod product in the last 30 days. Whether you smoked or ate it an hour ago or 30 days ago—and sometimes if you haven’t smoked it at all—the test results are the same: Positive.

    John P. Morgan, M.D., stated in High Times February 1989 (and in 1999 he still says), “The tests are far from reliable. Tampering and high rates of false-positives, false-negatives, etc. are common, and further these testing companies are held to no standards but their own.”

    At 20-50 nanograms (billionths of a gram) per milliliter of THC Carboxy Acid (a metabolite) these tests can be read as positive or negative—yet results derived from this part of the scale are known to be meaningless. To the untrained eye, any positive indication sends up a red flag. And most testers are untrained and uncertified. Still, the decision to hire, fire, detain, re-test, or begin drug abuse treatment is made for you on the spot.

    “I believe the tendency to read the EMIT [the urine test for THC metabolites] test below the detection limit is one of the important reasons why the test was not often confirmed in published reports,” Dr. Morgan said.

    In 1985, for the first time, Milton, Wisconsin, high school kids were ordered to have urine tests weekly to see if they smoked pot. Local “Families Against Marijuana” type organizations were demanding this testing, but not for liquor, downers, or other hazardous drugs.

    Hundreds of communities and high schools throughout the country were awaiting the outcome of constitutional challenges in Milton in 1988 before implementing similar testing programs in their own school districts. Because of this ruling in Milton’s favor, testing for high school students participating in extra-curricular activities has since been widely adopted and continues across the United States in 1998.

    For instance, in Oregon the testing of high-school athletes has spread by court order to any and all extra-curricular activity. Band members and majorettes—even debate team members, some debating on the marijuana issue—can now be tested at will in all states except California, where even a high school student can, since 1996, legally have a doctor’s recommendation or acknowledgement for the medical use of marijuana.

    (NORML reports, High Times, ABC, NBC & CBS News, and LA Times, 1981-1998, Oregonian, October 23, 1989.)

 

 

orson
orson

 @Monkey  Anyone who cares about patients and caregivers must be against A64 by logic.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Monkey  @victorssecret 

 

Greedy Selfish Profiteering Big $$ Dispensary Pigs DESTROYED the functioning medical marijuana industry that existed peacefully in Colorado for 8+ years ... bringing Law Enforcement heat and Legislative blowback to their obnoxious puerile pot-clown antics ... and forever disparaging and denigrating the reputation of true Medical marijuana in the public / voters opinion.

 

Fuck the Greedy Profiteering Big $$ Dispensary Cartels, and fuck what they stand for.

 

*** Viva Amendment 20 -- Private Patients and their Private Caregivers !! ***

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @tonydokoupil  @coloradommjpatient 

 

Did you even bother to verify the "membership" list of this self-declared "industry group" ?  

 

It's a near empty shell of a handful of financially related businesses that are owned by the SAME few people, lobbying for their own self-interest and NOT that of any INDEPENDENT industry advocate. They don't even represent a tiny fraction of the industry, much less the best interests of the industry as a whole.

 

You got scammed by self-promoting scammers. 

 

And Colorado's MMJ industry isn't "booming" or "burgeoning" or any other absurdly inaccurate adjective you and other media tools what to hype your "stories" with. There were over 1000 dispensaries operating ~24 months ago when the industry WAS booming -- then self-serving greedy charlatans like MMIG began lobbying for "regulations" -- read restrictions that would advantage their profits while eliminating competitors -- and now 24 months after the special interest "regulatory framework" was dropped in the industry, over 800 dispensaries -- mostly smaller mom+pop stores -- have been forced out of business by the myriad arbitrary and financially onerous "regulations" -- regulations that did NOTHING to serve the actual interests of individual PATIENTS themselves -- regulations, rules, restrictions and fees that sought to maximize corporate and state profits! ... profits that are ripped out of the pockets of individual patients.

 

All the extreme costs and millions of $$ in fees the Big $$ Dispensary cartels offered and bribed the State with in an effort to eliminate the smaller, more personalized competitors are ALL passed on to the poor suffering PATIENTS in the form of higher prices for their precious medicine.

 

MMIG did everything they could to attempt to gut the Constitutional Provisions of Amendment 20 -- established in 2000 -- which guaranteed the right of Private Patients and their Private Caregivers to be able to grown their own supply and not be dependent upon an overpriced, overtaxed, privacy-invading, impersonal retail store.

 

The BEST INTERESTS  -- financial, medical, personal, political, legal -- of individual patients and their private caregivers are in DIRECT CONFLICT with those of profiteering commercial retail dispensaries and their parasitic bedfellows at the Dept. of Revenue.

 

Always have been, always will be.

 

 

 

coloradommjpatient
coloradommjpatient

 @tonydokoupil So let me get this straight. Filling an envelope of cash, handing it to a State Senator, then laughing about what has happened and what will happen in not bribery???

 

I wonder, does the IRS know of this stuffed envelope? What other "noncrimes" did you witness being committed at this meeting?

 

PS. This may help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery

J.T.Gurl
J.T.Gurl

 @DonkeyHotay ok, so u got two. maybe, you'll find a 3rd or 4th. But there are HUNDREDS. Caregivers = 99% illegal dealers. ANU YOU KNOW IT.

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

@DonkeyHotay

Another recent development has been the formation of the PDFA (Partnership for a Drug Free America) in the media. PDFA, with primarily in-kind funding from ad agencies and media groups, makes available (free of charge to all broadcast and print media) slick public service ads directed primarily against marijuana.

 

    In addition to releasing such meaningless drivel as an ad which shows a skillet (“This is drugs.”) on which an egg is frying (“This is your brain on drugs. Any questions?”), PDFA is not above lying outright in their ads.

 

In another ad, a sad looking couple is told that they cannot have children because the husband used to smoke pot. This is a direct contradiction both of the clinical evidence developed in nearly a century of cannabis studies and of the personal experiences of millions of Americans who have smoked cannabis and borne perfectly healthy children.

 

    And in yet another ad, the group was so arrogant in putting out lies that it finally got into trouble. The ad showed two brain wave charts which it said showed the brain waves of a 14-year-old “on marijuana.”

 

    Outraged, researcher Dr. Donald Blum from the UCLA Neurological Studies Center told KABC-TV (Los Angeles) News November 2, 1989, that the chart said to show the effects of marijuana actually shows the brain waves of someone in a deep sleep—or in a coma.

 

 

kevin_hunt
kevin_hunt

 @DonkeyHotay flagged offensive

 

 While waging its self-styled “War on Drugs” against Third World peasants and American civilians, the Reagan/Bush/Quayle/Clinton/Gore administrations (1981-1999) have encouraged and covered up drug smuggling and distribution by high ranking officials of the U.S. government.

    On one hand, Bush violated international law by invading Panama to bring reputed drug smuggler and long-time Bush/CIA employee Manuel Noriega to the U.S. to stand trial.

    On the other hand, he refused to extradite Oliver North, John Hull, Admiral Poindexter, General Secord, Lewis Tambs, and other Americans to Costa Rica, where they are under indictment by that government for operating a drug smuggling operation there.

    (The Guardian, British newspaper, “Cocaine shipped by contra network”, July 22, 1989.)

    Federal hearings conducted by U.S. Senator John Kerry’s (MA) Subcommittee on Terrorism and Narcotics in 1988 and 1989 documented widespread acts by the CIA and National Security Agency (NSA) to block investigations by the Customs Department and FBI into cocaine smuggling by “intelligence operatives” under the guise of national security. No indictments were ever handed down, and witnesses testified under grants of immunity with little media attention.

    Special Iran-Contra investigators failed to act on this information or evidence developed by the Christic Institute implicating government complicity in narco-terrorism. And when General Secord was convicted in January 1990 for crimes related to the Iran Contra drugs-for-arms scandal, he was given a fine of $50 and a brief probation when a federal judge decided that the poor fellow had already “suffered enough”.

    This from an administration that promotes the death penalty—even beheading —for marijuana dealers.*

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @kevin_hunt A64 provides NO protection for ANYONE from Employmer, Insurer or Government discrimination.

 

In fact, the assholes that wrote A64 specifically authorized and enshrined the ability of Employers, Insurers and Government to fire, deny or punish any marijuana user, even those who are within the tiny limits of A64!

 

You = a fraud AND an idiot.

 

 

coloradommjpatient
coloradommjpatient

 @victorssecret So let's say there were 10 guys there. When did 10 100 bills "fill an envelope"???

 

So video tapping an illegal drug transaction is good for patients? Supporting a THC DUID Bill is good for patients? Lobbying to erode our constitutional rights is good for patients? Trying to limit competition through banning outdoor advertising is good for patients? I just don't follow you...

 

Prices are down yes, but heavy fertilizer & pesticide use are up. We are working on a lawsuit that will blow the whole thing wide open. While you were groveling for support from the State, you neglected the very people who support you....

 

PATIENTS.  And it is going to come back and Filet you. Well actually your overlords because I guarantee with a name like "victors secret" you are some trimmer or water boy.

 

PS. People have been making hash, oil, edibles, etc long before MMCs hit the scene. To think your industry discovered them is laughable, but it is on par with your hubris..

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @victorssecret  "you cannot find a patient in the State of Colorado that will say they aren't better served today than they were before the dispensary model started"

 

 

100% BULLSHIT ... from a pathetic Big $$ Dispensary shill.

 

The MMJ in Colorado functioned just fine for 8+ years before the greedy profiteering self-serving dispensary pigs bumrushed into the state hoping to loot the pockets of patients by lobbying for regulations that would FORCE patients to shop at overpriced, overtaxed, sub-standard retail stores while scheming to restrict and eliminate the rights and ability of Patients and Private Caregivers to grown their own personalized supply.

 

Fuck you, and fuck what you stand for.

 

hth.

 

 

victorssecret
victorssecret

 @coloradommjpatient  Are you saying anyone that makes a political contribution is guilty of a crime?   Simply brilliant... How would you suggest making political contributions?  With the bank accounts they won't allow us to have? Or are you saying we shouldn't be involved in the political system?  Read a few of Mr. Dokoupil's stories and you will understand that they read like a chapter out of a book, a bit sensationalized, but a very enjoyable read.  This story is no different, "drug dealers," "envelopes full of cash,"   etc etc.

 

coloradommjpatient, I mean caregiver, you cannot find a patient in the State of Colorado that will say they aren't better served today than they were before the dispensary model started.  In the last three years Colorado has leap frogged both California & Holland with cannabis advances and discoveries.  Many world renowned breeders and cultivators now call Colorado home and it isn't because commercial cannabis destroyed the plant or trampled on the patient.

 

Good luck in your basement or with your basement "caregiver"... i

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Patients-First  @coloradommjpatient 

 

""My six plants is legal, you have seven plants, so you DESERVE to go to jail."

 

Lyin' Brian Vicente went on record recently saying EXACTLY that !

 

He said that A64 would free up valuable Law Enforcement resources so they could go after real "criminals", then proceeded to define and encourage the full enforcement of criminal laws against ALL marijuana users and growers who dared exceed the pathetically puny limits that A64 proposes!

 

Brian Vicente = lying prohibitionist scum!

 

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Patients-First
Patients-First

 @DonkeyHotay  @coloradommjpatient  Yup, this is where their fake legalization scheme takes us, fighting against each other. The DEA couldn't have done a better job, pitting the "legal" grower against the "illegal" grower, and creating a whole other underclass of "illegal" mj smokers, who are even more lowly than the "legal" smokers (who were formerly illegal smokers themselves just a short while ago, and never mind that everyone is illegal under federal law.)

 

Instead of "Let's legalize it for everyone", now we hear: "My six plants is legal, you have seven plants, so you DESERVE to go to jail." or "I'm 21 and you're only 18, so you DESERVE to go to jail." or  "I'm a dispensary and your ONLY A CAREGIVER so you DESERVE to go to jail."

 

It's pretty sick that someone would call someone a "caregiver" derisively. If this is your idea of "legalization", let's go back to prohibition.

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 @DonkeyHotay  @J.T.Gurl moron - im obviously talking about state law. not federal. You people dont even give anyone reason to sympathize with CHANGING the federal law. People like you just wanna act like children.

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 @J.T.Gurl 

 

Greedy Profiteering Retail Dispensaries = 100% ILLEGAL Continuing Criminal Enterprises under Federal law ... and being targeted by the Feds for their wanton criminal actions in pursuit of personal financial gain.

 

 

Private Individual Caregivers as authorized by Colorado Constitutional Amendment 20 ... not so much, per the Ogden and Cole memos.

 

LOL!

 

 

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