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Marijuana: New Jersey MMJ program more restrictive (and less potent) than Colorado's

There are more dispensaries in Denver than locations of McDonald's and Starbucks combined, according to Sunday night's 60 Minutes report. But things are very different in New Jersey, the latest state to authorize retail cannabis sales.

Patients in New Jersey are just days away from the opening of that state's first medical marijuana center: Greenleaf Compassion Center in Montclair, a suburb of about 38,000 people that's best known for a few cameos in The Sopranos. The dispensary received its final permit from the state health commission last week, allowing it to begin seeing patients. Only five other medical marijuana dispensaries -- dubbed "alternative treatment centers" -- will be allowed to open in the Garden State.

Greenleaf's opening comes after a nearly two-year battle with officials in New Jersey, where Governor Chris Christie once said he would block implementation of the law because he wanted to prevent the "de facto legalization" that he says happened in Colorado. And the state's restrictive medical marijuana program reflects that.

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A sample of New Jersey MMJ patient cards.
Home growing is not allowed, and all patients have to get their cannabis from state-licensed operations like Greenleaf. Centers will be allowed to offer only three types of cannabis: low, medium and high strength. But high strength is hardly that, since the state is capping the maximum THC level at only 10 percent. By comparison, flowers in Colorado regularly test above 20 percent THC. The New Jersey law also requires the centers to log what strain a patient buys and whether or not that strain alleviated the patient's symptoms.

As of July 31, there were more than 100,000 medical marijuana patients in the Colorado registry. But right now, New Jersey has just 320 patients. Part of that could be due to the $200 licensing cost -- more than fives times what Colorado patients pay. The number of doctors signing referrals is also much lower. In Colorado, more than 900 doctors have signed medical marijuana recommendations; in New Jersey, the number is 175.

When we reached Greenleaf owner Juan Valentine, he didn't have much time to talk. The center has been slammed with calls over the last few days, he told us, but he promised that Greenleaf would be ready for the onslaught of patients when it finally does open to the public.

More from our Marijuana archive: "Marijuana: Michael Hancock rips Amendment 64, campaign responds (update)" and "Marijuana Majority website boosts Amendment 64 with power of celebrity, social media."


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nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

Yes We Cannabis!

 

Go NJ! Slow start, but your still ahead of the curve!

 

Colorado is leading the way!

 

Yes on 64!

 

No on Donkey Madness!

orson
orson

Some not so fun facts...

 

A64 would not reduce any marijuana related arrests.

 

A64 would not even increase the state's education budget by 1 percent.

 

A64 would not prevent children from getting access to marijuana.

 

A64 does not provide a way for 18-21 year olds to have any access to marijuana unless they happen to have a medical condition already authorized by A20.  Young soldiers 18-21 with PTSD are excluded from the right to use marijuana for any reason.

 

A64 would destroy medical marijuana in colorado.

IcePick
IcePick

Fun Fact...   A64 is on track to become law, but we still need your help so vote YES on A64!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova said "Fun fact: There are 10 Starbucks in the entire city of Denver."

 

ROTFLMAO !!

 

Who said stoners aren't detached from reality ?

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Monkey
Monkey

What's a good way to make people buy twice as much weed? Make them buy weed that's half as strong. What's a good way to keep the black market thriving? Enforce ridiculous regulations so the legitimate need the black market to survive. What's a good way to confuse cannabis consumers into supporting a commercialization campaign? Pretend you want to legalize weed.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

"There are more dispensaries in Denver than locations of McDonald's and Starbucks combined ..."

 

More BULLSHIT and LIES from the Prevaricating Media Pimps hyping the non-existent "burgeoning" mmj industry -- dying industry is more accurate -- for their own financial gain from Advertising Sales.

 

There are over 460 combined Starbucks and McDonald's in the Denver Metro area -- and less than 400 total marijuana dispensaries left standing in the ENTIRE STATE of Colorado.

 

Typical Lying Liars and Clueless Know-nothings.

 

 

 

Clayton
Clayton

 @Monkey Your argument is weak and unsubstantiated.  Just stop.

Sally
Sally

 @DonkeyHotay It's actually pretty funny that the media is putting this spin on the marijuana movement in Colorado. There's no mention of all the hundreds of dispensaries that were put out of business by the new regulations. First to go were the felons, followed by those who couldn't pay their initial licensing fees, followed by those who couldn't afford the security camera system, followed by those who were banned by their city or county, followed by those that were shut down by the DOR regulators, followed by those that got letters from the DEA, followed by those that couldn't afford their second fee to the state, to be followed soon by all that are left. It's as if the media think that we are all marijuana-crazed hippies out here, but have no concept of the reality. Oh, well, there's worse things in life than seeing your home state featured on 60 Minutes with the headline "Rocky Mountain High"!  Way to grow, Colorado! There are still plenty of people growing good herb here that are NOT commercialized.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Dude seriously, you need to take a look at what you post before you post it.The quote is that there are more dispensaries in Denver than McDonalds and Starbucks, so you bring out the number of Starbucks and McDonalds in the entire metro area.Congrats. 

nemopunk15
nemopunk15 topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Anything that puts donkey out of business has to be good for the rest of Colorado!

 

Yes on 64!

 

No on Donkey Madness!

IcePick
IcePick

 @DonkeyHotay Donkey, I keep asking and you keep ignoring... give me one valid reason to vote against A64, please.

 

Yes on A64!

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

I love when you make a troll mad enough to make a new thread. Smells like someone without any tangible evidence.

ViceRoySchulz
ViceRoySchulz

 @DonkeyHotay  @Monkey If this were real "legalization" of medical marijuana, you wouldn't have any such thing as a "black market". "Legalization" means the end of the black market. If you still have a black market after your "legalization" scheme has gone into effect, then what you really have is "regulation" or "more prohibition." 

 

If your scenario ends up with there being what Bryan Vincente called "bad apples" in the mj industry, then you haven't legalized, have you? It's legalization only for people who the government decides is not a "bad apple" and that's the same situation that we have now.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @Sally " There's no mention of all the hundreds of dispensaries that were put out of business by the new regulations."

 

Regulation Works !! ... for the regulators!

 

The lying, hyping media -- Westword included -- only care about protecting and inflating their advertising dollars -- which is why they avoid any honest or rational coverage of how UTTERLY DESTROYED the MMJ industry is under the "regulations and taxes" the greedy myopic dispensary clowns BEGGED for.

 

They still haven't got the journalistic courage to call out the BIG LIE that is A64, and the lying liars promoting it with laughably absurd LIES of 10,000+ reductions in arrests, and phantom millions for schools, etc.

 

A Democracy DESERVES to suffer under its own IGNORANCE.

 

 

 

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @IcePick It provides no functional benefit nor any reduction in arrests for real-world marijuana users or growers in Colorado, while surrendering total control to The Government -- the same Regulators that have DECIMATED the medical marijuana dispensary industry -- and imposes an absurd special $40,000,000.00 tax on marijuana users, and arbitrarily discriminates against young adult users excluding them from any proposed protections ... all for NOTHING.

 

Only an idiot would drop that festering turd into the State Constitution.

 

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova 

 

So the 133 Starbucks and McDonalds listed in the current edition of the Yellow Pages are all fake, eh?

 

Keep sucking on that bong, maybe your delusion will catch up with reality one day.

 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay So from Starbucks and McDonalds own websites, they have a combined total of 45 franchises in the city of Denver. Compared to 78 licensed dispensaries, and a pretty large percentage more (according to the links you provided we're talking about 200% more that have applied for licenses but have not been accepted, that would make a rough estimate around 234 but I've also provided a link that lists over 380 that you've yet to dispute so I'm still waiting on that).

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay I acknowledged that I made a mistake using the Starbucks store locator, there are 24 total. A mistake, ooooooohhhhhh scary.I don't have a problem admitting that, but for some reason you're afraid to admit that you were completely wrong to call the statement "there are more dispensaries in Denver than McDonalds and Starbucks combined" a lie because, as it turns out, it's more than true for licensed dispensaries, much less the full amount of actual operating dispenaries that sell cannabis on a daily basis for profit to people who may or may not even have be authorized patients (because YES it IS fully legal to purchase marijuana for 35 days from the day you mail in your patient information so long as you haven't been denied).The great state of Colorado, and the amazing city of Denver. 

 

Some of us love it. It's too bad you're so filled with hate to enjoy much of anything. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova "Fun fact: There are 10 Starbucks in the entire city of Denver."

 

LOL! ... the gift that keeps on giving!

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ViceRoySchulz  

 

Brian Vicente is on record as saying that A64 will free up law enforcement resources so they can go after "the criminals" who dare exceed the limits of A64 -- one (1) pathetic ounce and three (3) flowering plants ... and ANY personal sales, even a single gram.

 

Brian Vicente = pro-law enforcement, prohibitionist SCUM !!

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova  "You realize that only 1 store was shut down by the DEA right? The rest of them relocated."

 

100% BULLSHIT!

 

Another idiotic quote for the Archive of Shame.

Sally
Sally

 @DonkeyHotay That video is so wrong on so many levels, yet it feels sooooo right!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @IcePick = the little monkey on the platform in the video who likes to get "regulated" !

 

LOL!

IcePick
IcePick

 @ryan.cordova  @DonkeyHotay I know he won't respond.  I like to point out how he has no basis for his position to discredit him; though I find it hard to imagine any could believe his blather.

IcePick
IcePick

 @DonkeyHotay this is an offensive video that the jackass likes to think people will watch. DO NOT WATCH IT!

 

Vote Yes on A64, because Donkey can't provide a valid reason not to!

Sally
Sally

 @DonkeyHotay Maybe not the whole democracy deserves to suffer? What about legitimate patients, people with cancer or AIDS who are too sick to participate in politics. They don't deserve this shit. The only people that deserve to suffer are the greedy dispensary owners, the rogue cops, the politicians and the lawyers. If someone gets some kind of hot thrill over bending over and being "regulated", then they should be allowed to do that as long as they don't hurt anyone else. But don't drag the patients, and indeed a whole market system down with you, with your forced DUI blood draws and your RFID chips.

 

Regulation works, ahhhhhh yesssssss, we can FEEL it working now. Doesn't if FEEL GOOD?

 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay So from Starbucks and McDonalds own websites, they have a combined total of 48 franchises in the city of Denver.Compared to 78 licensed dispensaries, and pretty large percentage more.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Unless you've got anything that says the 380 number I provided evidence for is wrong then you're still lacking evidence. But for fun, a quick recap of the "evidence" you've provided: You said there were 400 dispensaries total in the state of Colorado (a stat you've since changed twice and refused to back up at all), you then made up an amount for how many McDonalds and Starbucks there are in Denver Metro (which not only has nothing to do with the discussion but you of course didn't provide a source). Then you claimed that "There are more than 222 McDonald's and Starbucks in Denver City/County." So yeah, keep trying short stack.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova Until you get PROOF of how many more than the 78 licensed by the MMED, you got NOTHING.

 

And you can subtract the 1 (one) Starbucks you claim is closed by you ... as if you're credible ... LOL!

 

You = still LOSE!

 

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ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay YellowPage is listing more Starbucks than are open, it lists the one down the block from me that closed a year and a half ago. I'm gonna go with the Starbucks website over that. Either way, licensed dispensaries are still a fraction of the dispensaries that are legally operating in the city of Denver.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova Keep flailing, you ignorant tool.

 

There are 92 Starbucks in Denver city/county + 41 McDonalds in Denver city/county, for a total of 133 in the city proper.

 

Per your own admission, there are 78 licensed MMJ Centers.

 

You = Epic FAIL !!

 

Sucks to be you, don't it Ryan?

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay  @IcePick "MMED spokeswoman Julie Postlethwait says that ultimately, there will be more licensed centers than the ones currently listed as approved. As of now, there is no list of denied centers -- and no estimate of when the list of approved licenses will be updated. However, patients and licensed centers can continue to legally do business with unlicensed shops under state law so long as the unlicensed shops are currently in the application process and have not been denied." It's in your own link moron.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay  There are 65 combined McDonalds and Starbucks in Denver.There are 78 licensed MMJ centers in Denver proper. Even by those numbers you're wrong, but then you add the 100+ OPEN dispensaries that are serving customers while waiting for their paperwork to be completed you just look even stupider. 

IcePick
IcePick

 @DonkeyHotay  @ryan.cordova I'm counting all the pending applicants, like the rest of the thinking people do and that ads about 150 to the number reported in the fish wrapper.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @IcePick  There are more than 222 McDonald's and Starbucks in Denver City/County.

 

hth.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay If it's so laughably absurd why do you have to find numbers that don't relate to what they're talking about to try to disprove it?Shouldn't it just be easy for you to find the number of operating entities in Denver and compare that to McDonalds and Starbucks?Why the need to include the entire Metro area? 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Fuck you can't even figure out how many dispensaries there are in the state, and you expect anyone to honestly believe you know there are less in Denver than there are McDonalds and Starbucks? Way to not provide any evidence.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

So wait, is Orson right and there are only 200 dispensaries in the state of Colorado, or were you right and there are 400?

 

You're changing your opinion more than Mitt Romney at a debate. 

 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay I love how your bringing up licensed now.You're adorable with your moving goalposts. But way to not be able to back up your original "they're liars!" crying rant.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @orson 

 

Orson for the WIN !!

 

Ryan Cordova = FAIL !! ... again!

 

LOL!.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova  THC finder as a valid source of currently licensed and operating dispensaries in Denver?

 

ROTFLMAO !! 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova They provided ZERO evidence, other than the laughably absurd assertion.

 

 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @orson Hell, by your own numbers there are more LICENSED dispensaries in Denver than McDonalds and Starbucks combined. Not helping your case, bro.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @orson "MMED spokeswoman Julie Postlethwait says that ultimately, there will be more licensed centers than the ones currently listed as approved. As of now, there is no list of denied centers -- and no estimate of when the list of approved licenses will be updated."Seriously, read your own article, it's right in front of your face.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @orson  I was using the default search results for the Starbucks store locator which only yields 10 results, so my mistake, turning up the results to 50 still only found 24 within the city of Denver. 24 Starbucks + 43 McDonalds is not more than 380 dispensaries.

orson
orson

 @ryan.cordova

"700 applied specifically for dispensary licenses" - 700 dispensary applications for the entire state. 

http://www.mpp.org/states/colorado/co/colorado-nets-734-from.html

 

Either way, odds aren't in your favor.  There are definitely more than 10 starbucks in denver city limits.  Are you lying or?????  My results on the starbucks site showed way more than 10.

 

How many unlicensed McDonalds and Starbucks businesses do you shop at?  When the world thinks of denver, even people in colorado springs, they include glendale, englewood, etc.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @orson 1. You should probably read the rest of the what has been said before you jump in, the quote is within DENVER, not within the Denver METRO AREA, those are two vastly different areas. 2. "That’s just a fraction of the number of applications received. While some of the initial applicants are now out of business, many MMJ companies are still eagerly awaiting their licenses – something the MMED blames, in part, on long delays for approval from local governments." Is within your own link, and it's patently dishonest to ignore it just because it kind of disproves part of your argument. 

orson
orson

@ryan.cordova  Wrong!  I did my own fact checking.  Guess what?  yellowpages.com - 150+ McDonald's and 300+ Starbucks - in the Denver metro area

 

As of August 2012 - "MMED has awarded 347 premises licenses for MMJ businesses in the state (204 dispensaries, 25 infused-product companies and 118 cultivation operations)" - 204 licensed dispensaries in the entire state of colorado

 

http://mmjbusinessdaily.com/2012/08/23/only-8-applications-submitted-for-new-colorado-mmj-business-licenses-since-end-of-moratorium/

 

450+ licensed mcdonalds and starbucks businesses in the denver metro area vs 204 licensed marijuana dispensaries in the entire state

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay In other words, your challenging their evidence, the onus is on you to disprove it, not on me to prove it correctly.You provided stupid evidence that doesn't at all address the comment made, I pointed that out. Move one, get better information.Quit crying because you're wrong and move on. You really do represent everything that is wrong with whatever you stand for. 

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Backtrack any faster and you might break your ankles there holmes.You're the one who started this off by calling the original claim "BULLSHIT and LIES." A bit premature, eh? Especially considering that you yourself don't have all of the evidence for that claim.But I'll wait for you to find something that actually proves your original point. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova My evidence is true and accurate -- there are more Starbucks and McDonald's in the Denver metro area than ALL the Dispensaries in the ENTIRE State of Colorado.

 

That's an incontrovertible fact.

 

If you've got ANY evidence to support the absurd claim that there are more dispensaries in Denver City and County than there are Starbucks and McDonald's combined, then put up or shut up.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay I'll take your silence as a retraction of your idiotic statement. Have fun with school tomorrow, don't stay up too late using the computer or your mommy will yell at you again.

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay I never made that claim.You're the one saying you have evidence that disproves it, I'm showing you your evidence is false.Nowhere in there did I make the claim that there are more dispensaries in Denver than Starbucks and McDonalds, you'll have to take that one up with 60 Minutes.But thanks for playing. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @ryan.cordova Prove that there are more Dispensaries in Denver than Starbucks and McDonald's combined.

 

{{{ cue crickets chirping }}}

ryan.cordova
ryan.cordova topcommenter

 @DonkeyHotay Prove what? That you can't read?The quote is right there for you. It says in "Denver" and you yourself brought up the statistics for the Denver METRO area.You should probably find some better stats to back up your own point. 

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