Amendment 64's Brian Vicente on how act might be challenged, why he doubts it will be

jwright13

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There are many other implications the proponents of 64 and state officials haven't considered. I bet the Feds have though: Opening up this Pandora's box could lose them a lot more than Drug Enforcement: https://greendragontavern.com/CMS/GDT/articles/the-larger-importance-of-colorados-amendment-64

SaraBenetowa

Progress lies not in perfecting what is, but in advancing toward what will be. (inspired by and most of the words stolen from Kahlil Gibran)...

Free the Herb!

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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If Amendment 64 passes, what's to stop someone from buying the maximum amount of marijuana from multiple stores and then driving it out of Colorado?

The law, Vicente believes.

"It will remain absolutely illegal to transport marijuana out of state after the passage of Amendment 64," he says. "It's currently that way now -- and its passage would untie the hands of law enforcement to focus on interstate issues rather than their current focus, which is arresting over 10,000 Coloradans for personal possession every year. Their focus could be on interstate transfers and arresting the people responsible rather than arresting adults for possessing small amounts of marijuana."

The BIG LIE promoted by Lyin' Brian Vicente and Mendacious Mason Tvert.

Fact -- 10,000+ Coloradans are NOT arrested for personal possession every year.

Fact -- A64's pathetically puny 1 (one) ounce limit is LESS than what current Colorado Statute has decriminalized, 2 (two) ounces. Arrest reduction for personal possession = ZERO

Fact -- A64 deliberately EXCLUDES EVERYONE under 21 yrs old from any coverage - they are not allowed a single gram, nor a single plant. Arrest reduction for under 21 = ZERO

The grotesque cynicism of excluding the very age demographic that suffers nearly 50% of all marijuana arrests shows just how perversely pro-law enforcement the prohibitionists who wrote and promoted A64 actually are.

Fact -- A64 does NOT allow ANY personal sales between consenting adults. Even selling one gram remains a FELONY! Arrest Reduction for Sales = ZERO

Fact -- A64 does NOT allow ANY Public Display or Use. Arrest Reduction = ZERO

Fact -- A64 does not repeal or modify a single FELONY Marijuana Crime in Colorado. Arrest Reduction for Marijuana Felonies = ZERO.

HipTip: If your lawyer lies this much, in public, it's time to find another attorney ... before they get disbarred ... or lead you down the primrose path to the pits of purgatory.

jwright13

@DonkeyHotay Some people aren't happy with anything. Would you be happier if 64 didn't pass, is that your point? geez-louise. Once things have worked out for awhile, maybe the other problems can be worked on.

RPF2012

@DonkeyHotay You know this has already passed don't you?

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@RPF2012 You know it's still a fraud and a sham, don't you?

RPF2012

@DonkeyHotay How do you figure? More than 1/2 of your state and more than 1/2 of another state in the union agree that the War on Marijuana is a failed philosophy.

Are you just still bitter because the Amendment did not come out the way you liked?

The person I wanted to be president didn't win, but I'm not bitter.

ccapra

@DonkeyHotay

No one cares about your worthless dribble. It passed, you should to on to other items.

mattleising

@DonkeyHotay I see you've finally updated your debate to something a little more current. Still way off but I applaud you for figuring out something new to copy and paste. Took you long enough! Now troll on trolly pants!

kevin_hunt topcommenter

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@mattleising Troll on humble pants donkey.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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Vicente stresses that "we absolutely do not believe the passage of Amendment 64 will make Colorado a hub for interstate distribution. "

But it will increase Pot Tourism ??

DonkeyKicker

@DonkeyHotay STFU, Corey "Nut Job" Donahue - You fled to Mexico - keep your opinions there with you, boy.Or, be a man and come back and do your time.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@DonkeyKicker Only a fool would flee to Mexico ... which has an active extradition treaty with the U$A.

Barak M Webb

They may challenge it, but I would hope that our state elected officials will throw the 10th amendment to the constitution in their faces and tell them that the Constitution does not give them the authority to challenge it since this technically should be a states rights issue.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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-- Medical marijuana laws will kill 40 percent of dispensaries, Brian Vicente predicts --

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/06/medical_marijuana_laws_will_ki.php

Regulation Works !!

Vote for MORE REGULATION! .. or as Lyin' Brian advocates "STRICT REGULATION" !!

Connie Megel Long

Nope, as Obama got re-elected. He was the one who backed off the federal government in regards to medical marijana usage. He told the feds if this is what states want its what the states voted in. Obama is just going to tell the feds the same thing in regards to recreational marijuana.

Monkey

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With MMJ, the feds are kind of stuck, they received allot of objection from the public because of sympathy for the sick. They don't want weed stores, but they don't want the public to view them as armed terrorists against the sick, much like the armed raids in Cali. turned public opinion against them. They learned letters were more civilized and received much less resistance from the public, and continued to use those tactics here in Colorado., which worked extremely well. I fear the "recreational" stores will not pose the same moral threat to the feds as MMJ does, and they might go back to the old days of disregarding public opinion all together and using their full force. If they don't shut it down before it starts, the industry will explode even more than what we saw with the MMJ green rush. Will they let that happen? Will they bring in the military if it does? I kind of think they will do it in court before we can flip from MMJ to MJ, but like the article says, no one is standing in the way of letting the people have, and cultivate, some personal weed, and I really believe that's what the people voted for anyway. Whatever the feds do to the commercial side of things, the voters still got what they want, a little more personal freedom, and as some of you know, that's all I care about.

michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Monkey A thoughtful post, as usual. Thanks, Monkey.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@Monkey

What?

You don't think that Puerile Pot Clowns like IcePick and nemopuke15 make sympathetic Poster Punks for the "recreational" marijuana cause?

LOL!

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @Monkey What about Puerile Pot Clowns like me that are advocating recreational industrial hemp?

Wanna smoke some of my homegrown Finola?

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@Monkey -- Here you go! ... the Quintessential "Patients" of "Medical" Marijuana --

http://www.dailycamera.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=4760297

And who said MMJ in Colorado wasn't a SHAM ??

LOL!

ccapra

@DonkeyHotay @orsonIf they're in a dispensary they obviously have a card and are not excluded from getting what they want. God you guys are so bitter.

DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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@orson ... too clueless to realize that they are EXCLUDED by A64, along with every other Colorado citizen under 21 yrs old.

orson

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@DonkeyHotay Looks like a trio of A64 supporters.

Monkey

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@DonkeyHotay Maybe that's a picture of the two most obsessed with you. Those jars on the table are from the (greenest green MMC) in Boulder, they were issued a letter and have since closed. I think Boulder is letting them re-locate but I'm not sure.

aspencurator

It's the movement friends, get behind it!

http://coloradocannabisreviews.com/

doctornamtab

Hopeful article but this is the federal government we're talking about here. We've invaded other countries and killed millions for less than this. OF COURSE they're going to turn it down and they don't even need a reason. They didn't need a reason to invade Iraq.

Tracy Strode

I'll blow a big bong hit in their face. Ignorance like this should be completely unacceptable in this day and age, but as we've already been reminded hundreds of times this week, a large portion of our country just wants to stay firmly rooted in the 1940's.

Faycless

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"Basically, a state has a right to set their marijuana penalties at any rate they choose, and Colorado has chosen to allow adults 21 and over to possess and grow small amounts privately. So the federal government can't touch that." Yes. They. Can. And. Will.

kevin_hunt topcommenter

@Faycless So are you saying that the feds are going to bust everyone in Colorado for one ounce and six plants? Good luck getting a conviction in Colorado for that. The last time the DOJ pursued a personal possession case was in CA and the judge threw it out saying the govt "is not going to win the war on drugs 2 grams at a time".

SJSJ

@Faycless Uh, no they can't and won't. Wait...are you a lawyer, like Brian, who has been working this issue for years and years and knows it in and out? If not, stop making yourself look like an ass.

IZen

@SJSJ @Faycless Google search 'faycless' and you will see that they don't just 'look' like an ass they are the genuine article.

IZen

@SJSJ @Faycless OK, that may have been a little harsh, in comparison to some of the trolls out there. I'll preemptively apologize for my personal attack and for not pushing the discussion in a positive direction :-)

Wendy Dennie

Let them challenge it....the people have seen the tax revenue that is generated and it will cause the War on Drugs to end at the Federal level. Us people have spoken and we will continue our forward movement, regardless of the naysayers and profiteers of jailing citizens

Ehron Moats

don't take our Freedom and our rights away. Let try this first then challenge it if it doesn't work .

Jason Garrison

Washington goes in effect before us, so I guess we'll see

Oi'Ram Arejan

highly doubt it

Brad Aerts

these fucks arent gonna stop the war on drugs...all those probation officers out of work ....yea rigghtt!...look at them like theyre from another planet or something

Lisa Hill

What about driving? Has anyone forgotten about that little driving nano thing?

Matt Planteen

Doubtful. This would not be a good climate to get into a state's rights fight with two typically democrat-leaning states. Further, I think they'll likely have to quietly reschedule down to a Sched II narcotic, both because of Wash. and Colorado's new stance, and the fact that they now have a very blue state in the NE with MMJ. It would political suicide of the highest order for the DEA to start raiding businesses in Massachusetts. Drug testing for work will still remain, both for government and private jobs.