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Videos: Fox31 denies marijuana activist's claim that THC driving story was rigged

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Videos below.
Update: Yesterday afternoon, after we shared an activist Max Montrose's claim that a Fox31 report on driving under the influence of THC was rigged (see our previous coverage below), the station released a 1,600-word response denying the claim. Reporter Mark Meredith insists the driving simulator wasn't rigged, and says the station's conclusions largely match Montrose's.

"Our story concluded that the state standard of Delta 9 concentration was not an accurate or objective way to test whether someone was too high to drive," notes the piece, credited to Meredith, Will C. Holden and Thomas Hendrick. "That is exactly what Montrose has stated his own YouTube report was hoping to prove.

"Since he appears confused about the findings of our report and intent on spreading gross inaccuracies about the way our study was conducted, we feel compelled to respond to his hidden camera video," the response adds.

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Max Montrose in a photo from the medicalmarijuana.tv website.
The piece's authors insist that Montrose's words weren't edited to make him sound like he was advocating for driving stoned. They say that because "the overwhelming majority" of the population wouldn't condone driving under the influence, they felt it wasn't important to include Montrose's opinion on the matter." To that end," they write, "we determined the omitted portions of the interviews were redundant and simply stated the obvious, and thus they were left out of the report."

The respondents also deny that the simulator was rigged, explaining that it gauges reaction time and is not meant to mimic "everyday driving." They also point out that the test was run by a third party with no affiliation to the news agency. As for the Fox31 camera guy in the story saying the test was "ridiculous"? Well, he's entitled to his opinion, they say. But his view was based on a quick joy ride, not an actual simulation, they maintain.

Most important, Meredith, Holden and Hendrick disagree with the premise that the news report somehow supported the 5-nanogram limit. At no point do they ever reach a conclusion other than that the evidence is questionable at best, they maintain. "If anything, a complete viewing of our story calls into question the fairness of the previously proposed Colorado statute that sets an arbitrary 5 nanogram limit," they write.

Continue for the complete Fox31 response to Montrose's claims, including a minute by minute breakdown.


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newsmom
newsmom

the first time i drove stoned i was so worried about speeding that i took extra care not to drive too fast.  i came to full stops, looked both ways several times, and took roughly three times longer to get home than i ordinarily did in a non-stoned state. weed-based hysteria is just another way to keep us all off balance and afraid. a frightened populace is more susceptible to government propaganda.  now i hate myself for even seeming to advocate paranoia...on the other hand, it's not really paranoia if the feds are out to get you...

betweenthelines
betweenthelines

Is Fox News trying to pretend they are a real news station again? They did a story on media 'bias' a while back. I couldn't quit laughing for a good full minute.......

WaywardBill
WaywardBill

I'll be having @Max Montrose , @Sean McAllister , @Robert J Corry Jr   and hopefully @Tae Darnell  on my premier show on Denver Open Media, "What's Next!" with Wayward Bill. in early January (date is floating at moment).. Plan on a show that will change minds.The bill has been shot down before and hopefully we will do it again or come up with something better than 5 nanograms. Don't believe in monkey see, monkey do. Washington was wrong to place a 5 nanogram limit but it's how they got I502 through.

Peace, Pot, Politics,

Wayward Bill Chengelis

Chairman, US Marijuana Party

Chairman, US Marijuana Party of Colorado

For DonkeyHotay: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/why-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/ dated but statistically true.

Chriss Hoffman
Chriss Hoffman

Fox31 whether independent or not, this was a blatant hack job set up to make one side look good. Faux News loosers as usual.

Daniel Hamilton
Daniel Hamilton

No local station or paper tells the whole truth on anything these days. They all have a agenda. If anybody thinks 9 news, 7 news or The Denver Post are any better than Fox news you are a fool.

Dan Brown
Dan Brown

Fox needs to spend some time earning a reputation for telling the truth. Their political stories are so full of lies that it's hard to trust them on anything.

Josh Bradley
Josh Bradley

I have never seen KDVR write so much for an online article trying to prove their point. That alone makes them look guilty or really butthurt, or both. The guy is right in that it was a poor example for stated reasons and flies (somewhat) in the face of real scientific studies. The fact they made testers crash is ridiculous. Some things are unavoidable, inebriated or not, and it sounds like this was how they chose to prove their point. They'll never admit it though.

Corey Donahue
Corey Donahue

Corey, On November 30, 2012, the Governor’s Office received your Colorado Open Records Act (“CORA”) request for "any and all records relating to the passage of A64 held in both the governor's office and the governor's office of information technology (OIT)". On December 4, 2012 we extended our response period to December 1, 2012. We also informed you that we are not the custodian of record for OIT's documents. The responsive documents have now been identified and gathered and, as described below, are available for inspection or pick up. The Governor’s Office has 422 pages of public records responsive to your request. As per our agreement and as per the Office’s CORA Policy, the Governor’s Office spent a total of 8 hours collecting and retrieving the responsive documents. Thus, please be prepared to provide a check in the amount of $120 payable to the “State of Colorado” prior to reviewing any documents. Additionally, the Office’s standard photocopying fee is 25 cents per page. Upon receipt of payment, we will provide you with copies of the documents. Due to the volume of responsive records yielded in this search, please schedule a time with Lindsay Cox at Lindsay.Cox@state.co.us or (303) 866-6390 to review them. Regards, Stephanie Donner Deputy Legal Counsel Governor Hickenloooper -- Stephanie F. Donner Senior Deputy Legal Counsel Office of the Governor 136 State Capitol Building Denver, Colorado 80203 stephanie.donner@state.co.us

DummyHotay
DummyHotay

DonkeyHotay is clearly the most intelligent person and knows more than any one else on this subject. 

We should all bow to his knowledge and adorn him with kudos and likes. 

Without Donkey we would be left with only intelligent, fact based debate on a topic without juvenile name calling and copy/paste facts. 

All hail The Ass called Hotay!!!!!!!

Angela Bauer
Angela Bauer

This is BS.. If they really want to know how about setting up a coarse and use a real car... This I could do high one handed talking on my cell and fixing my makeup.. This was a Fox31 FAIL...

Marc LaDoucieur
Marc LaDoucieur

Fox 31 is manipulative and definitely has an agenda in all its reports. I don't trust them at all. They're all about sensationalism.

Tracy Strode
Tracy Strode

Does anyone with 1/16th of a brain buy anything that Fox News "reports"?

Joseph Crucia
Joseph Crucia

If Fox were really about the news, this kind of nonsense wouldn't even matter.

Michael Lewis Sr.
Michael Lewis Sr.

. Why noooooooo ........ what wouldever make you think that Fox would ever slant something ? . ;-)

Jim Mimna
Jim Mimna

Its Fox, they have misinformation as part of their mission statement.

Justice24
Justice24

The real story: In an effort to set back producers who can responsibly edit video high, a marijuana activist makes a YouTube video claiming a news station falsified a study about driving high ... when the study actually confirms his own beliefs.

You should all probably read FOX31's humorous response to Max Montrose: http://kdvr.com/2012/12/11/fox31-denver-responds-to-activists-claims-of-false-reporting/

I, for one, am disappointed that Max appears intent on giving us responsible marijuana users a black eye. As it turns out, when viewed in its entirety, the FOX31 report actually supports Max's opinion that THC affects everyone differently and states that the previously-proposed state standard of Delta 9 concentration was not an accurate or objective way to test whether someone was too high to drive.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

***  NORML McLawyers Support the 5 ng/ml DUI-m Standard !! ***

CA-NORML has an analysis of current THC-testing methods and discussion of the driver impairment thresholds on their website. 

They suggest that a blood test can accurately measure the psychoactive form of THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) in a driver.

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html

The site also discusses 8 peer-reviewed scientific studies of  'DUI Accident Culpability' for blood-levels of THC compared to alcohol including a meta-analysis of 42 different studies. 

Take the opinion of the California pot reform advocates:

NORML conclusion: Blood THC ≥ 5 ng: risk COMPARABLE to DUI.

NORML conclusion: Blood THC ≥ 5 ng: risk COMPARABLE to DUI.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 *** Colorado heading toward a too-stoned-to-drive 5 ng/ml standard, experts say ***

Law enforcers want to set the legal limit at 5 nanograms of active THC per milliliter of blood and recently made a critical compromise to get that standard into the state's DUI statute.

Unlike Washington state, where voters also legalized pot in November, Colorado's Amendment 64 included no provisions setting a cap on the amount of psychoactive THC that a driver could legally have in his or her bloodstream.

Washington set its limit at 5 nanograms per milliliter of blood. Two other states have set legal limits at 2 nanograms in criminal statutes, and several more have zero-tolerance policies.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22165300/colorado-heading-toward-too-stoned-drive-standard-experts

Regulation Works !!

robertweller
robertweller

Interesting that Hick has press on board with him claiming his signing of amendment 64 was low key. sure, he did almost immediately, after pressure. if he had guts he would have waited until jan. 5. why does the media buy this nonsense.

robertweller
robertweller

fox is fox. studies have shown their viewers are below average iqs.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

"Before even starting the 'sober' half of the test, he was already at 6 nanograms and passed without a hitch."

Let's remind the fans at home what that means. That means he was already stoned, according to the legislation they try to pass off on us every legislative session, before he had any medication. The "per se" DUID limit would be five nanograms per millileter if their law passed as it has been repeatedly proposed. What "per se" means is that it doesn't matter whether you're really impaired, you're still impaired by law--guilty!

It's possible to have metabolites in your blood long after being medicated, and it's metabolites they test for. No state should have such a DUID law. It simply doesn't work, and punishes people who not only aren't stoned, but who also drive feeling alert because they haven't had any medicine for a long time. Such drivers could be "caught" with no reason to suspect wrongdoing.

So the next time someone wants to know what the big deal is about the per se DUID law, you can tell them.

Anna Gingher
Anna Gingher

Seriously who in the world thinks weed gets you that floored to drive???! Like really? Being drunk is on a completely different plane than being stoned!

Anna Gingher
Anna Gingher

Sorry no. Driving high is NOT like driving drunk. Not in any way at all.

Chriss Hoffman
Chriss Hoffman

TopGear UK show did a much fairer test using real cars on a closed track. Drunk drivers failed predictably, stoned drivers actually performed better, finishing the course slightly faster and more accurately. It was attributed to the increases attention to the task of the obstacle course. When involving a surprise event both drunk/high reactions were slowed to a dangerous level, as we're non impaired drivers. Moderate marijuana use shouldn't improve driving, but it does not really hinder it in a measurable way. One should still use it like alcohol in moderation and not when driving, shooting, skiing, swimming, or any activity that could injure yourself or others, duh!

donleyhotay
donleyhotay

I'm a stupid fucking retard who lives in my mom's basement and has a micro penis.  I feel good about myself when I sit behind a desk all day and call other people names.  My self esteem is that of a fly.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@newsmom Thanks for sharing your experiences, newsmom. Much appreciated.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@WaywardBill "Washington was wrong to place a 5 nanogram limit"

The PEOPLE have Spoken! ... respect their self-destructive democracy in action!

betweenthelines
betweenthelines

@Justice24 It would be interesting to get a hold of the 'report' the police officer gave to his superiors concerning the 'study' Fox News created for themselves....I DOUBT if it agrees with your statement: "the previously-proposed state standard of Delta 9 concentration was not an accurate or objective way to test whether someone was too high to drive."....I imagine it would read something like this:"After an extensive study by highly trained professionals it was determine that THC levels as low as 5ng demonstrated 'obvious' impairment in individuals driving a simulator in standard driving conditions. It is therefore the opinion of this body that a 5ng driving limit is necessary to save the kids and shit..Blah..Blah...Blah...It's all horse-shit, no matter how you paint it.......

betweenthelines
betweenthelines

An 'accurate' report would be one that cites the current state statistics of a 'decrease' in traffic crashes, drunk-driving, and fatalities in states with more liberal marijuana policies...It's pretty EASY to compare this data to previous year's in the state's history.....They should start with that FACT before reporting on something they 'created' for a story......

betweenthelines
betweenthelines

@Justice24 After viewing the tape made by Max, it is refreshing to see what REALLY happens during these news stories and what is actually reported.....The two 'versions' really are not even close to each other...Fox made some 'un-biased' statements but I hope you are not suggesting that because they had to 'appear' neutral at some point this excuses them from reporting accurately....I'm not saying they are necessarily LYING, they are just choosing what they wish to report on....Lots of organizations do this....Like the government....Trust.

D0NKEYH0TAY
D0NKEYH0TAY

@DonkeyHotay If somebody is impaired to the point that they shouldn't be driving perhaps they should stay off the road.  They would have to fail a roadside evaluation before they can draw blood to test to confirm THC levels wouldn't they?  Anybody that fails a roadside evaluation should be off the road.

iWannaTalkToSampson
iWannaTalkToSampson

@robertweller 

Because most of the media around here is nonsense, the night of the election I watched the local NBC station run a story on amendment 64 with a list of facts including:

-Marijuana is proven to be a gateway drug

-Marijuana is proven to stunt brain development in children and youths

-Marijuana has serious health risks

-A64 could cause an increase in marijuana use among children and teens

All statements which have been proven untrue and were downright lies. It's sad that they will stoop so low

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@Annaleisle Gingher Well, the first time I got REALLY high, I couldn't walk or talk.  I definitely wasn't in any shape to drive... I probably couldn't have even worked the whole put-the-key-in-and-turn thing.  Now, I can get myself to a reasonable level and driving isn't an issue.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@donleyhotay  ... everything you said about yourself is true, Donley

Have another bong hit, loser.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@iWannaTalkToSampson @robertweller 

A64 states specifically that Marijuana is a Public Health and Safety risk, so much so that NO ONE under 21 years old should be allowed ANY legal access -- not a single gram.

D0NKEYH0TAY
D0NKEYH0TAY

@DonkeyHotay I think he's right... you are somewhat of a douche constantly polluting the discussion boards with your spew.

betweenthelines
betweenthelines

@D0NKEYH0TAY @DonkeyHotay Kid's have access to medical marijuana in this state via prescription. I would imagine even more so now that it's more acceptable in our society. Read. It works.

D0NKEYH0TAY
D0NKEYH0TAY

@DonkeyHotay  of course children should have free access. It makes learning long division easier.

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