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Guns in Colorado public schools? GOP politicians want concealed handguns in class


Referencing some of the details that emerged last week during the preliminary hearing of James Holmes, who is accused of killing twelve and injuring dozens more last summer at an Aurora movie theater, Renfroe says, "That evil criminal took the time to study the place, take pictures. He picked it out and he knew what he was doing."

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Pro-gun protest at the Capitol last week.
Renfroe notes that he spent eight years on a school board and held the position during the Columbine shootings. He also currently serves on a charter school board. He argues that there are probably school employees throughout the state who are well trained and could stop intruders if they had the opportunity.

"I know several examples of retired military veterans that are teaching now or retired police officers in our schools," he says. "What a tragedy it would be if someone like that [who]...is completely skilled and able to protect is not given that chance.... We need to look at the bigger picture."

In response to arguments that more guns are not the answer and can only increase the risk of accidents, he says, "If we trust teachers to educate...I think you could trust a teacher to decide if they are comfortable and qualified to carry.... If they are going to make that choice to carry, they're also going to take that responsibility seriously."

Given all the talk of gun policy in Colorado, Saine says, "The timing is perfect.... It's time to have this conversation. It's actually past the time to have this conversation."

She says, "It's changing the conversation about what is compassionate -- protecting our children in any way that we can."

Both Saine and Renfroe say they do not support gun control policies that favor stricter regulations, arguing that criminals will always find ways to violate the law.

"They are trying to restrict law-abiding citizens from receiving weapons," Saine says of gun control proponents. "Folks who do things like shooting up a theater...do they follow laws?"

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Pro-gun protest at the Capitol last week.
Renfroe says banning any kind of weapon means law-abiding citizens will only be that much more defenseless against criminals.

"I believe in the Second Amendment and I believe in protecting myself and my family and my property," he says, "And I want to be able to do that with at least the same amount of firepower that a criminal is going to come at me with."

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Monkey
Monkey

....And with all the accidental shootings noted below, accidental death by firearms is only 0.03% of all accidental deaths. You are more likely to accidentally die from water or fire than you are from firearms.

http://www.anesi.com/accdeath.htm


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Jared Laughner and James Holmes were "Law Abiding Gun Owners" ... 

... right up to the moment they pulled the trigger.


Deborah Watts
Deborah Watts

HELL..O! NOT..PROVEN MOLESTERS..surely would NEVER SHOOT YOUR KIDS!

Monkey
Monkey

 Ban gun-free zones! You don't have to have guns, just don't advertise to the public that there are no guns there. Schools became popular targets for young mass murderers in the mid 1990s, around the time that the Gun Free School Zones act of 1994 was enacted. Why do we want to make schools a more attractive target for disturbed youth who want to end their own lives with a dramatic killing spree? Holmes didn't chose the theatre closest to his home, he chose the only one where people were not allowed to bring their gun inside. Sometimes just the threat of a gun is a deterrent, but self proclaimed gun-free zones have been proven to encourage gun violence. 

Carrie Appel
Carrie Appel

Too bad JFK didn't have armed guards, he might still be alive today. Oh, wait...

JimTom
JimTom

Why are schools the only government buildings without armed security?

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

Teachers, cops, and school staff can go nuts, too, and not everyone shows signs of mental illness before they snap.  One of my teachers killed her own two kids a while back.  You'd give someone like THAT a firearm in a classroom full of children?  Brilliant!  

Bill Menezes
Bill Menezes

Only if you make said employees personally liable for deaths or injuries caused by their own weapon.

Emily Glander
Emily Glander

No! What about the theaters, malls or any other public place? No bill or law is going to help. More guns or less guns, there are still mentally ill people that will get a hold of guns no matter what we do. Lets start with more research on these people and why they do what they do. What are warning signs we can all watch for?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Monkey ... BTW, the shootings below were not "accidental" ... every one of them was a DELIBERATE pull of the trigger -- of a "legal" firearm owned by a "law abiding gun owner" and deliberately aimed at another human being.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Monkey  ... so focus on the DELIBERATE DEATHS, MURDERS and Mayhem by firearms.


*** Gun deaths in America projected to soon top car fatalities ***

Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gun-deaths-in-america-projected-to-soon-top-car-fatalities-8426644.html

Monkey
Monkey

@DonkeyHotay Do everything they did except pull a trigger.........Let us know how many charges are filed against you.

COEngineer
COEngineer

@BackOffImStarving, if the teacher is going to go crazy and shoot up a school, do you think the current gun-free-campus laws are going to stop him?  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Bill Menezes ... EXACTLY!

MANDATORY Licensing and Registration of ALL GUNS / OWNERS in the U$A!

MANDATORY Liability Insurance for ALL GUNS / OWNERS in the U$A to pay for ANY harm, injury or death done by those guns!


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Emily Glander  ... Go Emily !

JimTom
JimTom

Thats not an answer it is avoiding the question changing the subject all the best tools of liberals when they don't want to answer a striaght question.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving "Speaking of fantasy land, where does one go to be surrounded by people with perfect aim, no mental illness, and criminals who are reasonable enough to be deterred by the possibility of a victim carrying a gun?"

Any Hollywood Movie staring Tom Cruise or Arnold Schwarzenegger ...

... where an imaginary hero with a pistol can outshoot multiple assailants with automatic weapons.

The delusional gun-loon fuckwits think they live in the same fantasy land of omniscient foreshadowing, perfect multi-angle vision and slow-motion replay and do-overs.


Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving Advocating that a group of people do it on your behalf is the same thing, only shows more cowardice, because you aren't willing to do the deed yourself. Collectivists like you are the reason republic never had a chance.

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident @BackOffImStarving Funny, I've never disarmed anyone.  I've never done the killing, yet you spout your rhetoric about the blood being on MY hands?  Why so defensive?  I ain't dat derr gubment tryin' to git mah hands on ur piece.  When did you go cuckoo for Cocoapuffs?  

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving You're the one driven from fear, and you're demonstrating it right now. The blood is on the hands of the people like you who disarmed people, creating an attractive nuisance for nuts. It's not about arming "everyone." It's about not disarming peaceful people who have no history of violence. The blood is never on my hands, because I did not do the killing, nor did I make them victims--people like YOU did.

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident @BackOffImStarving "You can come up with all kinds of scenarios that have never happened before (like a teacher shooting a child, which he's more than capable of doing today)..."  Arm everyone and wait.  It'll happen and you'll be left with no alternative other than to blame the liberal media or some shit for the blood on YOUR hands.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving I'm not sure, but it sounds like you just made that up. The reality right now is that any nut job with or without permission can do whatever he wants to a classroom full of unsuspecting children. This allows people who have already demonstrated a level of trust (because they're allowed in the school legally) to assert a measure of self-defense. You can come up with all kinds of scenarios that have never happened before (like a teacher shooting a child, which he's more than capable of doing today) but you still can't indicate what's actually WRONG with it. 

As for "reasonable" enough to be deterred by a gun--it just requires the "reasonable" fear that the recent mall shooter had when HE was confronted with an armed would-be victim. The real world beats your fantasy land every time.

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident @BackOffImStarving Speaking of fantasy land, where does one go to be surrounded by people with perfect aim, no mental illness, and criminals who are reasonable enough to be deterred by the possibility of a victim carrying a gun?

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving  I never stated nor implied that bureaucrats should be given a single weapon, nor did I state or imply that they should be the only ones with their right to carry protected.

Your willingness to choose fantasy land for yourself is one thing. Your willingness to choose fantasy land for the murdered children amounts to blood on your hands for supporting their victimization.

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident Well, if giving guns to a bunch of underpaid, overworked state employees makes it so that you can stop fingering your feed ramp to get to sleep at night, then I'd choose the blue pill.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@BackOffImStarving

They'd do better than if they were disarmed, as now, Cypher.

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