Juggalos Fight Back: Insane Clown Posse fans in Colorado and beyond claim discrimination

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Juggalos -- fans of the band Insane Clown Posse -- have an image problem. They see themselves as peaceful, music-loving members of the extended ICP family, but plenty of cops and the like think they're part of a potentially dangerous quasi-gang. Juggalo Nation is now countering this perception with Juggalos Fight Back, a website where Juggalos (including some from Colorado) tell stories about discrimination and more.

As we noted in this 2010 post, it's far too easy to blame ICP for producing murderous impulses in some of its followers -- and indeed, band member Violent J has always tried to distance himself from such acts.

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A graphic from the Juggalos Fight Back brochure, on view below.
In a 1997 Westword interview entitled "The Jeers of a Clown," he put it this way while describing record-label objections to the song "Boogie Woogie Wu," which veers from goofy humor ("Ouch! Fuck! I stubbed my toe!/If you'd stop leavin' your shit all over the fuckin' floor") to overt lethality ("Fuck it -- you're dead anyway/And I'll leave your head smack dead in the hallway").
"They said the song was about killin' kids. Now, I have to admit, it may sound like that. But as God is my witness, that is not how I intended it, not how I see it, not how I feel it. To me, it's just like a horror movie -- a scary movie, you know what I mean? And I don't know why the fuck it is that there's a problem when something like that's on a disc instead of a movie. I mean, in a fuckin' movie, you can fuckin' see guys gettin' their heads blown off, but in music, you just hear about it. So you'd think people should be protestin' movies way more than they do music, you know what I mean? But instead, they're protestin' me, even though most of what we do is just entertainment. I don't want people to work all week and then come to a show to get preached at, like fuckin' Rage Against the Machine. I want them to have fun. So when I say, 'Yo, I fucked that bitch and blah, blah, blah,' I'm not doin' it to piss somebody off. I'm doin' it because it's funny. We make funny songs, you know what I mean? A lot of it's tongue-in-cheek, but these dumb motherfuckers can't figure that out.

"That ain't stoppin' me, though. There could be fifty million protesters outside my concert, but I don't give a fuck, you know what I mean? Nobody is ever gonna stop me from doin' what I'm doin'. I don't care if I have to drive around with a bullhorn and yell it from the top of my car. I'm always gonna say what I say, and I don't give a fuck who I offend. Besides, all the times where we talk about killin' somebody, it's always a bigot or a greedy rich guy or a racist drunk or somethin'. So for you to be bothered by that, you got to be a bigot or a racist. I don't know why people don't understand that."

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Chip Kalback
A fan outside ICP's September 2011 show at the Ogden. Slide show: ICP and fans at the Ogden

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Tess Damm.
In 2010, though, two separate local incidents cast Juggalos in a bad light. That May, Tess Damm, a self-proclaimed Juggalette who'd been convicted of helping her boyfriend murder her mom three years earlier, was accused of a jailhouse escape attempt that involved strangling a guard with a shoelace. And the next month, Jeremy McKim was busted for a stabbing outside a Colorado ICP concert.

Online, Damm called herself a Christian and wrote, "My family means a lot to me." But she also declared, "A fucking bitch is what I am."

As for McKim, his social-media postings included the following blurb:

ILL RAPE YOUR DOG AND MURDER YOUR MOTHER FAGGOT, all day on that MOST HATED shit,JSG all the real fucking homies that aint fronting like some bitch ass queer made motherfuckers! Clown love to all my real juggalos and lettes Keep it ON THAT EAST SIDE!
These are the exceptions, not the rules, stresses Juggalos Fight Back, whose goal is to "educate the public on what we're REALLY about."

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Jeremy McKim, from an old MySpace page.
Part of that effort is encapsulated in a brochure reproduced below in its entirety. Here's the website intro to the document:
Let's face it, ninjas -- a lot of people just don't understand us Juggalos. Perhaps they never will fully grasp the special family ties that bond us together but does that give them the right to call us gang members or a menace to society? Of course not! But it's always easier to attack what you don't understand. So what we have to do is educate the public on what Juggalos are really about. And YOU can help spread this knowledge by simply printing out this pamphlet and giving it to folks who could use some Juggalo education. Do your parents, clergymen or employer sneer at you or eye you suspiciously because you're a Juggalo? Has a law enforcement official ever accused you of being in a gang simply because you're wearing a Hatchetman charm? Next time someone gives you the bone for being a Juggalo, simply hand them one of these pamphlets and tell them you'll be happy to answer any questions they might have about the Juggalo family. Education cures prejudice, Juggalos! Help spread the word!
However, another component is to allow Juggalos from across the country to share stories about how they've been mistreated simply for digging ICP.

Continue for the personal story of one Colorado Juggalo, plus the brochure.


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96 comments
Artemis
Artemis

Okay, everyone seems to be against the Juggalos, but why? How is it fair that the government can call the Juggalos a gang just because they listen to music? That'd be like the FBI throwing my whole family in jail just because one of us commits a crime? Or calling all country music lovers a gang? Is that fair? Everyone has different views. I've been listening to their music, it's not really that bad. Same with the Juggalos. Even if one of them commits a crime, it's not fair to call the whole family a gang. That's what they are-a family. I will continue to support the Juggalos, even if it causes me to get in trouble! 

allways80s
allways80s

Do the juggalos follow the rules of hierarchy like that of other "societies"?  There is a group in Western Co that call themselves juggalos but let me tell you........it's people like them that give this organization a bad name.  I truly wish there was people out there (like other societies) that would put them in check and teach them what it is to be a juggalo.  I'm not a member of this group, don't like the music but to each is own.  I grew up with Ozzy....what better person to have the do-gooders hate right?  Not many liked him either so I live by the rule of let it be but when such blatant disrespect comes into play....what then?  I grew up with and still belong to a "society" that is also a family.  A family that doesn't want some putz shooting his mouth off hiding behind the "family".  Those are the ones that get put in check real quick.  No matter who you are there is a certain level of respect that must be given.  My nephew got involved with these people and they are pulling some awful crap and they are doing it in the name of juggalos.  And that's wrong!

btheclown
btheclown

hey I know that guy in the red shirt with the face paint

Carrie Appel
Carrie Appel

Yes, let's all have sympathy for the assholes because they're being treated like...assholes.

Aaron Wells
Aaron Wells

My favorite quote in this is "They see themselves as peaceful, music-loving members of the extended ICP family," yes because nothing says "love and peace dude" like strangling a guard with a shoelace and helping your boyfriend kill your own mother way to stay classy juggalos.

Kim Daub
Kim Daub

We all have the music we like or hate. But I've always hated clowns - Poltergeist, It, Bozo. So entire posses of clowns = not my thing. I just hope my niece outgrows this.

Aaron Wells
Aaron Wells

@ Kim Daub "Jughead" might be the perfect word to describe Juggalos.

Kim Daub
Kim Daub

I might have to unlike this page. Twice in one week? My 15 year old niece thinks being a jug head is cool. It's not....

Aaron Wells
Aaron Wells

Juggalos are nothing but white trash meth-head idiots it's not descrimination they do it to themselves you act like trash expect to get treated like trash.

Rob Ruby
Rob Ruby

"That juggalo is going to be really successful", said nobody ever.

Legen Dairy
Legen Dairy

No. I was on the train with a juggalo wearing a clown mask. He smelled and was telling other riders to suck his dick.

Thinks4Self
Thinks4Self

So let me get this straight, act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug and then complain about being treated like a thug?

DeadLenny
DeadLenny

While mere words can't express my indifference for ICP --- to be frank, they bore the piss out of me --- I can empathize with the fans.  In the 1980s, San Diego cops and sheriffs were convinced there was a street gang called The Iron Maidens: yeah, the headbangers I went to high school with were, in fact, a highly organized criminal enterprise.

But law enforcement has been rock stupid when it comes to music for decades.  How 'bout all the time and money wasted by the FBI trying to decipher the lyrics to 'Louie Louie?'  My favorite is the Link Wray song 'Rumble' being banned from the air in various locales in the late 1950s; quite an accomplishment for an instrumental.

Ivy Martinez
Ivy Martinez

Really westword? A story about a fad of the 90` ....juggalo shmuggalo... .

koolboi21
koolboi21

In high school some friends and I rented a motel room to do a little partying. I didn't stay the night, but some of my girlfriends did. One of the girls was a former Juggalette and she had a hatchetman sticker on the back window of her car. That night someone rolled by the car and shot out the back window. Thank God the girls were safe, but it seems that not only does law enforcement see them as gang members, but real gangs perceive them this way too. After that incident she decided to break all ties with her life following ICP.

mamakeepzitreal
mamakeepzitreal

2 every1 on this page here from the Juggalo/Juggalette FAM, STOP RESPONDING! 2 these ppl who r simply on here typing insult after insult. They r obviously seeking attention in whatever way they may recieve it. My point, 'the attention seekers' will accept negative feedback. It is a form of attention 4 them. IGNORE THEM! None of us can do anything from behind a computer screen. Nothing in history has ever been properly delt with by responding 2 ignorance with ignorance. Dont let any1 who is so unhappy that they would rather come visit this site & cuss & insult rather than go 2 a site that they might enjoy. Every1 that has felt attatcked by 'the attention seekers' should simply take a breath, & concider how much U really care about what sum1 who obviously lives their life on a different level thinks about us. SO WHAT! The FBI case will most likey be dropped. As FACTS & PROOF r what hold up in a court room. Not isolated events.

mamakeepzitreal
mamakeepzitreal

@ RedHotMissy. Follow me on twitter or contact me on facebook. Simply send me a private mssg announcing Urself. I will further enlighten U of ways 2 take legal action against such things.

Mo Nd Oh
Mo Nd Oh

base your judgment on individuals not what music they listen to. charles manson loved the beach boys but not everyone who likes em are cult leaders. i work hard all week so if i wanna paint my face and go to the roxy and cut loose then let me be. But i dont think im a gang member of any kind. And if you think all juggalos suck hit me up we'll kick it and i bet i'll chage your mind!

mamakeepzitreal
mamakeepzitreal

My comment is 4 RedHotMissy. I was wondering outside of the ICP/GANG crap issue, were the police officers who removed ur clothes male or female? #1-a male officer is NOT ALLOWED 2 remove a females clothing. & the physical abuse U r speaking of, were U released from jail in enough time 2 go 2 a hospital & have documented Ur injuries obtained while in jail? If so, then U have Urself a lawsuit! Those 2 issues alone have nothing 2 do with ICP. Those acts were a violation of Ur HUMAN RIGHTS! There r cameras n every jail. As U stated while feeling violated being left naked & moniterd by a camera. I would personally get an attorney & deal with the violating of ur rights & the abuse u were subjected 2 while in the state of Colorado's care. Also, U stated that U were attacked by Ur previous landlord. U stated that the police who responded 2 U refused 2 listen 2 U when U tryed 2 tell them that U had already been assaulted. Did the officers who responded notice any ICP tat's or merch b4 U spoke a word 2 them in regaurds 2 ur attempted assualt report? BTW, I have been an ICP fan since I 1st heard, HALL'S OF ILLUSION, in 1996.

Rican James
Rican James

This one time I tried to dig up a corpse, I was really horny and needed a hole to put my dick in, buuuut I ended up just hangin out at the graveyard and ate a sandwich. Turns out I was just hungry, not horny. I see how no one would really give a fuck about this story, but I am using it's relevance of 'shit no one cares about' to relate to the ply of the faction of useless idiocy and moronic alpha behavior that the Juggalos present to our culture. Basically I am trying to say, a good 80 to 90 percent of people really don't fucking care. I, however, in that 10 to 20 percent window care enough to state that I DETEST Juggalos with a passion. Why you may ask? If you used your influence on people as constructively as perhaps individuals who actually pushed for a more presentable image, you would promote better material rather than being psychotic clowns. It just doesn't look good, and never will.

Ashley Trotter
Ashley Trotter

...and people over the age of 14 actually still listen to it.

BillStewart2012
BillStewart2012

Washington State's motor vehicle department allows customized license plates unless somebody complains about bad language on them, and of course some people are really creatively prudish about what they object to.  JUGALETE got banned because some cop thinks the ICP and their fans are a criminal gang.

Jennie Trujillo
Jennie Trujillo

I find it super amusing how someone who does not give a fuck about what anyone thinks feels it necessary to let everyone know they don’t give a fuck about what anyone thinks! Like if the people who are going to judge you based on your funny big red fro & super huge Ronald McDonald shoes are going to take you more seriously because you use the word FUCK so flagrantly. Hello chick obviously the world CAN HATE on you bitch ass hoes included. But what your ignorance fails to shine the light on for you is that YOU ALL DO CARE! Other wise why would this be a topic of discussion? Why would one of you feel the need to ride a round on your unicycle & try to jump through rings of fire to let people know that your getting a bad wrap. Like someone commented earlier there are good & bad in all groups, and some my dear are just fucktards!

MirandaTwizted GigglezGarcia Rivas
MirandaTwizted GigglezGarcia Rivas

Fuck you Mainstream conformist pieces of shit.You Hate on us for no other fuckin reason than to have something to bitch about.. Well let me tell you bitch ass hoes something YOU CAN HATE US CAUSE WE DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK SO STICK THAT IN YO MAMAS ASS AND TAP IT

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Carrie Appel Ouch! Thanks for the post, Carrie.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Kim Daub Bet a lot of people can relate to your post, Kim. Thanks.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@Aaron Wells Strangely enough, it is. Thanks for the post, Aaron.

michael.roberts
michael.roberts moderator editortopcommenter

@mamakeepzitreal Fascinating perspective, mamakeepzitreal. We're going to make your post an upcoming Comment of the Day. Thanks for posting.

mamakeepzitreal
mamakeepzitreal

@BillStewart2012 Unfortunatly Bill, until the ICP vs the FBI case is resolved, there is not anything that any1 can do about all this. 4 those who choose 2 ride with ICP on this present issue, the best thing all Juggalo's & Juggalette's can do is simply obey these 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH VIOLATING' laws. MCL

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