Marijuana: A64 task force member says buying limits about diversion, not jacking up prices

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Christian Sederberg.
Yesterday, in reporting about an Amendment 64 task force recommendation to consider purchase limits on cannabis for in-state residents, a marijuana attorney argued that such a move would result in pot prices going up in a big way.

But Christian Sederberg, the A64 task force member who helped push this advice forward, says getting people to pay more for less isn't the goal. And what is? Preventing weed from being illegally taken out of state.

As we've reported, the recommendations that emerged from Tuesday's task-force meeting included requiring child-proof packaging; nixing logos that might appeal to kids; mandating potency labeling; forbidding the addition to weed of addictive ingredients like nicotine; restricting shops from selling products beyond cannabis and items directly related to it (like pipes and papers); and disallowing advertising in venues accessible to children, including TV, radio and most newspapers.

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Warren Edson.
But the one that stood out above the rest for Warren Edson, a marijuana-law specialist and veteran pot-reform activist, was the possibility of limiting how much marijuana in-state residents can buy at any given time, rather than allowing them to purchase the one ounce authorized by A64 for adults 21 and over. An amount wasn't specified, but the most common figure floated has been a quarter-ounce.

To Edson, such a mandate contradicted the concept of regulating marijuana like alcohol -- a central precept of Amendment 64. And when people posting on Facebook likened a quarter-ounce to a keg of beer, he was left slack-jawed. He sees such a comparison as "insane and disingenuous," noting , "There are 1,920 ounces in an average keg of beer, which is the equivalent of 160 cans of beer. Put 160 cans of beer on one side of a table and put a quarter-bag of weed on the other and you can see how crazy that is."

More to the point, Edson argued that purchase limits could turn Colorado into a U.S. version of Amsterdam, "where you can only buy one or two grams at a time, and they cost $10 to $25 a gram.

"There are some people in the industry who'd like to see prices go back up," he added. "Right now, our prices in Colorado are half as much as the rest of the country, practically, including Oregon and California. But if you cap purchases at a quarter, there would be no more bulk-purchase discounts or deals, and we'd be getting close to the kinds of prices you find in Amsterdam."

Sederberg, who's also an attorney, and represents the Amendment 64 campaign on the task force, doesn't question Edson's economic predictions, since he hasn't gotten a chance to study them. However, he says Edson is incorrect if he assumes that marijuana inflation was behind the recommendation. The real point was diversion prevention, he notes, adding that industry representatives on the task force actually opposed the concept.

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stuka1
stuka1

Bottom line is that it IS corporate greed that is driving this. 

Sederberg = Mr. Fuck You, I Got Mine.


Asshole.

 The sad excuse that it's to stop this mythical "diversion" is Henny-Penny, Sky-is-falling prohibitionist made-up propaganda bullshit. Cannabis ADVOCATES have no business playing into that horseshit.

I am sorely disappoint.

garcia.jerome
garcia.jerome

"If I'm from out of state and I can buy an ounce at a time, I can go to sixteen stores to get a pound," he says. "But if I'm limited to only buying an eighth at a time, I'd have to go to 128 stores to buy an ounce" -- huh? wouldn't you have to go to 8 stores to buy an ounce. Its called an eighth for a reason. that reason is because it's an eighth of an ounce. But the most appalling thing about this is that some asshat who can't even do simple math is part of this task force.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

By the way, last night the 5ng DUID bill made it out of committee, expressly because (as at least three committee members said) "The constitution says we have to treat marijuana like alcohol."

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

Colorado isn't the DEA. Colorado shouldn't be making policy to prevent people leaving the state with it. It's not our business. It should be made clear that we don't condone it and are not making policy to encourage it, but out-of-staters should not be treated differently simply because they're out-of-staters.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 Sederberg: "I am saying that if the Attorney General's office thinks this makes sense for diversion protection, then we should keep that discussion open."

Good thing that Sederberg - Vicente are working so hard to please the AG.

A64 = a continuation of criminal prohibition against marijuana users and growers, with extra taxes and regulations added for fun!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 Sederberg:"But if I'm limited to only buying an eighth at a time, I'd have to go to 128 stores to buy an ounce [sic]"

Stoners + Math = Epic FAIL!

So which is it, Michael? ...is Sederberg a blithering idiot whom you quoted verbatim, failed to note the error or ask for correction, or did you misquote him as stuka1 claims?



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Where are those LYING ASSWIPES who repeatedly declared that A64 would create no new laws against marijuana ?


tutonehcc
tutonehcc

The keg analogy is perfect, why the confusion Warren?  Yea, no kidding a keg has more than 1/4 oz, but REAL FUCKING POINT IS, you can buy as many kegs as you want.  Want a truck load of kegs, call Coors, they'll bring you a damn truck load tomorrow!


The point is NO LIMIT ON ALCOHOL!  Yet limit on marijuana to 1/4 oz?  Why play dumb, you know what the commenter was talking about, I know I sure did and I'm just another stoner.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Sederberg = blithering Marijuana McLawyer idiot and lying pimp who helped promote the clusterfuck that is  A64 ... a legal clusterfuck which he and his firm stand to reap $$$$$$$$ from.

Hey Fuckchop, if full blown CRIMINAL FELONY statutes haven't stopped millions of $$ of interstate marijuana traffic, what simpering stooge thinks that some limp-wristed, unenforceable and ineffective REGULATIONS will have any effect?

Fucking imbeciles leading the fucking retards.


Kevin McNeil
Kevin McNeil

I know they sell cigarettes without any limits and even can sell next to schools, now that's got to be good for the overall health of our nation. Why do cigarette companies get all the perks?

instntkrma
instntkrma

better stay medical if you use an 1/8 a day. Nothing like having to go to the pot shop 3 or 4 times a week.  They're going to make growing your own more and more attractive to people that would have just gone to the store.  

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

It will make it harder, but who cares if people want to break a law in another state?

stuka1
stuka1

Sederberg has turned into a prohibitionist shill.

Unbelievable that he would endorse this, much less champion it.

Mike Milos
Mike Milos

The only thing it will do is run up the price at a retail level. Pounds go out of state every day, and as long as there is prohibition in other states, they will continue to go out of state! This is about a bunch of greedy MMJ shop owners, and their representatives, using this as a ruse to inflate their prices! The EXACT same people are the ones who want to limit the first year of recreational sales to already existing mmj shops..... nothing greedy going on there huh?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... thank Allah that the Stupid Stoners and Prohibitionist Pimps had the foresight to expressly declare in A64 that DUI-marijuana shall always be illegal ...

... without setting any objective standards, definitions or limits as to what that actually entails, leaving it up to anti-pot legislators and law enforcement to decide.

Get REGULATED, chumps ... it's what you begged for.

5ng/ml = Huge $$$$$$$$ windfall for the Marijuana McLawyers and the Criminal DUI Industry !!



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter


                                *** Regulation Works! ***

... for the Regulators!

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyAssWipe's lack of reading comprehension skills causes him to strawman and lie. MY "claim" was that it looked like either Sederberg misquoted/misspoke on his talking point, OR Michael misquoted him. 

In any case, you need to have your mommy take you back to the Nice Doctor to get your meds adjusted.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@instntkrma ... THEY -- the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary interests that Sederberg-Vicente represent -- are going to make it as difficult as possible for INDIVIDUALS to legally produce their own sustainable home-grown supply.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 "Sederberg has turned into a prohibitionist shill."

Only stupid clueless stoners didn't comprehend that the Marijuana McLawyers like Sederberg and Vicente were ALWAYS prohibitionist ... who suckered fools like you into surrendering TOTAL CONTROL of marijuana over to the same Big Government Bureaucrats and Law Enforcement goons who've been running the Drug War against you for the last 40+ years.

Prohibition and Regulation are how the McLawyers make their $$$. If it were actually legal, you wouldn't need any fucking lawyers.

You got played like the ignorant chump that you are.

Now Bück Dich!, sucker.


Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

WRT the "McLawyers," this particular version of the bill, if it becomes law, would be a windfall for them, because they'll get to bill even more hours to patients who now get to "prove" they're not impaired in light of the now "permissible inference" that 5ng/ml makes them impaired. (It'll usually be patients, because those are the most "chronic" users, who are known to read high even when they're not impaired.)

Unfortunately, a court challenge will probably be useless, as "permissible inference" has already been through the wash in other contexts, even though it flips the board and makes the victim of the legal system guilty until proven innocent.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident Yup. It was repeatedly expressed by the public that no one wants anyone "under the influence" of anything. the question has always been with regard to the ridiculous arbitrary measurement of 5ng/ml "Delta-9 THC" (they sound like they almost know what they're talking about) in whole blood. 

When asked why the only medicine they single out for such an arbitrary chemical test is pot, they now have the above-quoted excuse ready.

When asked why not exclude patients, they said they are duty-bound to treat everyone (except prescription-drug users and other legal drug users, apparently) equally. 

WTF?

orson
orson

@stuka1  

This is the second westword article that quote has been used in and the mistake was pointed out in the first article.  Making the mistake one time is understandable, repeating it on the other hand...

orson
orson

@stuka1@instntkrma 

 "stay medical" ... unless you are a stupid stoner.  i'm all for regulating stupid stoners.

stuka1
stuka1


@DonkeyHotay go upstairs and tell your mommy that its time to up your meds

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident I think you'd find in a libertarian society, individuals would find themselves required to be responsible for themselves and their actions. That's really the point. 

Frankly, I wouldn't doubt if insurance would find a market incentive to basically require people who test positive for impairing substances to demonstrate driving competence before getting behind the wheel (not entirely unlike alcoholics having to do a blow test to start their car.)

It wouldn't be mandatory, though. You could choose not to buy insurance, but no road owner would let you on his road uninsured.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident "I don't drive in that heavily medicated state"

If only all stoners, druggies and alcoholics were as circumspect as you ... society wouldn't need any laws regarding DUI ... a Libertarian Shangri-La ...

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Motor skills, yes, cognitive function, no...and the interesting thing about that is, it'll keep me from getting in the car long before it'll make me wreck it. I know I'm trashed in that case and I don't drive in that heavily medicated state. It's very much unlike being an overconfident drunk. I sit in a steam room waiting for the pain to release. 

Coincidentally, I've had conversations with people on the order that would indicate my cognitive abilities simply aren't affected.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident 

CBD does have a deleterious effect upon motor skills and cognitive function, though different than THC.

CBD is the "medical" part of marijuana, THC is the "high". CBD modulates some of the psychomimetic effects of THC ...  not so well in some users.

Heroin un-impairs  people from pain too ... yet no fool would argue that nodding junkies should be encouraged to drive vehicles on public roadways.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident Some clown even claimed that CBD is "worse"than THC, even though he obviously pulled the assertion out of his ass.

That's particularly insulting to me, since it's my headaches and neck pain that do impair me, and it's CBD that un-impairs me (from what I'm told, and THC just comes along for the ride.)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... The PEOPLE -- i.e. stupid stoners, prohibitionist pimps and self-serving marijuana McLawyers -- have SPOKEN! 

A64 clearly and unequivocally declares that "Driving under the influence of Marijuana shall remain illegal" ... even if science proves that driving under the influence of marijuana is not hazardous, it must remain illegal!

Fucking idiots and imbeciles who voted for A64 DESERVE to have this idiocy rammed all the way up their rectums.

Arrests prevented by A64 = Zero!

Arrests and New Crimes CREATED by A64 = UNLIMITED!



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 @orson 

WW stories are aimed at stoners, they don't need to be accurate.

... especially with hard stuff like math and spelling.


stuka1
stuka1


@DonkeyHotay yes where she doles out rusty trombones to hobos who wander in from colfax

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... stupid stoner ... I live upstairs, mom lives in the basement.


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