Marijuana ordinance to make Nederland first U.S. city to regulate pot since its prohibition?

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Nederland.
The Amendment 64 Shadow Task Force is made up of activists monitoring a governor-appointed group charged with making recommendations about the implementation of A64, which allows adults 21 and over to possess small amounts of marijuana. Now, the shadow task force is trying to beat the state to the punch via an ordinance that would make Nederland "the first town in America to regulate marijuana since it's prohibition some 76 years ago."

Key members of the shadow task force include Kathleen Chippi and Rico Colibri. They're driving forces behind the aforementioned document, entitled the "Marijuana Establishment Regulation Ordinance."

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Rico Colibri.
The act can be found in its entirety below, but here's an excerpt from the "Findings" section that describes the shadow task force's interpretation of Amendment 64:
On November 6, 2012, the voters of the State of Colorado approved Amendment 64. Amendment 64 added section 16 of article 18 to the Colorado Constitution and created a limited exception from criminal liability under Colorado law for adults 21 and over to possess and cultivate marijuana for recreational use and to establish the licensing and regulation of marijuana establishments in a manner like alcohol as described in Amendment 64.

The intent of Amendment 64 was to enable adults 21 and over and licensed marijuana establishments who comply with the provisions of section 16 or article 18 of the Colorado Constitution to legally obtain, purchase, possess, cultivate, grow, use, distribute, sell and display marijuana like alcohol without fear of criminal prosecution under Colorado law.

More than two years earlier, on April 6, 2010, the Town of Nederland approved its own marijuana-related measure: Ballot Issue 1, which, according to the ordinance, "removed municipal penalties related to buying, selling, possessing, consuming, transporting, cultivating, manufacturing and dispensing marijuana and its concentrate and related paraphernalia among persons 21 year of age and older."

The ordinance contends that A64 gives Nederland the right to regulate marijuana-related establishments. But why not wait until the entire state has done so? The ordinance argues that to delay action until statewide laws are blessed (a process expected to take much of this year and perhaps stretch into 2014, with or without federal intervention) would be to empower criminals and endanger the citizenry as a whole, as explained in another segment of the "Findings" section:

If marijuana establishments pursuant to section 16 of article 18 of the Colorado Constitution were not allowed to operate before October 1, 2013, Colorado marijuana consumers who wish to obtain marijuana would have no option but to purchase from the black market, bolstering the profits of criminal organizations, increasing criminal activities and endangering otherwise law-abiding citizens. To allow recreation use of marijuana without providing a lawful source to purchase marijuana is detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare.

Marijuana regulations at the state level have yet to be adopted, but given the threat to public health and safety, the town of Nederland is enacting regulations to combat the illegal trafficking of marijuana. The majority of Coloradans voted to regulate marijuana like alcohol, and as such, the Town of Nederland will regulate marijuana establishments in a manner similar to alcohol.

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Kathleen Chippi.
The bottom line, according to the ordinance: "This article is necessary and proper to provide for the safety, preserve the health, promote the prosperity and improve the order, comfort and convenience of the town and the inhabitants thereof."

Chippi elaborates on this statement in an e-mail. "After watching the task force and a handful of elected officials undermine the vote of 1.3 million Coloradans who voted for A64," she writes, "the residents of Nederland decided the way to implement the will of the voters under the new Constitutional amendment was to run a local initiative and set an example for the rest of the state."

The next step for proponents is to collect 420 signatures from registered voters in Nederland and submit them to the town's board of trustees. Afterward, backers hope the board will take up the ordinance and pass it within thirty days after the signatures were verified.

Doing so would obviously be a bold step. But as indicated by the passage of a measure eliminating municipal marijuana-related penalties more than two years before voters approved A64, Nederland is a community known for going its own way. Or, as the Amendment 64 Shadow Task Force puts it: "Move over Netherlands, here comes Nederland."

Continue to see the complete ordinance and an A64 Shadow Task Force news release.


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stuka1
stuka1

Hey, lets do a little Maths here: Chippi and Colibri would allow out of town visitors to buy 5 GRAMS of marijuana, but FORCE them to consume ALL of it before they could stagger out the door. How much pot are we talking about?  An EIGHTH of an ounce is 3.5 GRAMS. Another 1.5 grams, which brings us up to the allotted 5 grams, would make the amount that our out of town friends would have to consume IN ONE SITTING to just under ONE AND A HALF EIGHTHS -- Just shy of a QUARTER OUNCE.

So let's take the Stuka Challenge: In one sitting, Chippi and Colibri will smoke one and a half eighths of top shelf hooch EACH and immediately thereafter they will each drive from Nederland to Denver. 

At the conclusion of this challenge, we shall decide whether their proposal to force out-of-state visitors to consume ALL of what they buy on-premise at the cannabis shop is half-baked, hare-brained horseshit, or stark, raving lunacy.

stuka1
stuka1

Throwing out of state tourists under the bus = a wonderful crime creation program for the incarceration industry!

IMAHEAD
IMAHEAD

Don't give up the fight!

stuka1
stuka1

We have come to a decision! We have agreed…that you are not Orcs.” ...

Pot tourism in CO? Marijuana regulators OK idea

 Pot tourism in CO? Marijuana regulators OK idea - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_22623357/pot-tourism-co-marijuana-regulators-ok-idea#ixzz2LObzXbGm

DENVER—Marijuana tourism is on the way to Colorado, but the state will put up signs in airports and borders telling visitors they can't take pot home. That was a recommendation made Tuesday by a pot task force set up to suggest regulations for the drug made legal by voters by year.

The task force agreed Tuesday that that Colorado's marijuana amendment does not specify that adults over 21 must also be Colorado residents to have recreational pot The recommendation suggests limiting marijuana sales to non-residents, but left a specific cap to state legislators.

The task force failed to agree to home-growing regulations and public use rules. Coloradans voted last year to allow adults over 21 to have up to six plants.

Way to go, Chippi&Colibri! Your proposal throwing tourists under the bus is FAR more restrictive than even Nixonlooper's prohibitionist task farce recommendations!

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi

"You have been blabbing nonsense about this language over-regulating..."


So, now, in light of this new news that even the governor's prohibitionist task farce is expected to vote AGAINST a residency requirement, was it really babbling? Was it really nonsense? Or are you going to finally admit that your proposal to throw out/of/state visitors/tourists under the bus really was half-baked, over-regulating, fear-mongering tripe?


stuka1
stuka1

 @KathleenChippi: "You know the state wants to ban sales to non residents all together.  I don't want that so what is the answer?"

 http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_22620719/marijuana-potency-tourism-up-co-debate

***The marijuana task force is also expected to vote against a residency requirement, making pot tourism possible*** 

 Remember what I said about Henny-Pennny? The fucking sky is falling? 

 THIS is what I mean when I say we don't need to make a bunch of stupid laws out of hysterical fear of what the Feds or the task farce MIGHT say or do. 

Congratulations, your proposal is FAR more restrictive than even the task farce's expected recommendation.

Is it starting to dawn on you what I am talking about, that you are jumping the gun here?



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Kathleen Chippi's new "strategy" = if we don't hurry and rush to FUCK OURSELVES in the ASS with our own FIST of REGULATION, the Town of Nederland might not let us do it at all.

Hey World -- Look at Us! ... we were "the first" town to FUCK OURSELVES with our own fist!

Welcome to Nederland, Folks ... where the Pot Clown Circus performs daily ... over by the Wheel of Delusion ... step right up and watch the hot stoner on stoner action.

stuka1
stuka1

"After watching the task force and a handful of elected officials undermine the vote of 1.3 million Coloradans who voted for A64," [Chippi] writes, "the residents of Nederland decided the way to implement the will of the voters under the new Constitutional amendment was to run a local initiative and set an example for the rest of the state."


I love the way Chippi refers to herself and Rico Colibri as "the residents of Nederland". As If.

stuka1
stuka1

http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_22603037/advocates-push-nederland-enable-pot-sales-but-mayor

 " Mayor Gierlach referred to the ordinance as "premature" and said that while Colibri may recently have moved to Nederland, he is clearly not familiar with the local planning process, which involves a healthy dose of resident input.

"We don't even build a sidewalk in our town without consulting our people," Gierlach said. "We're moving forward with our code revisions and we're going to use the Nederland planning process and that is what is best for our citizens."

...

The town has a public meeting scheduled for Feb. 26 during which the town attorney will give an update on the implications of what is taking place at the state level, Gierlach said, and a local implementation task force will be seated.

From there, the mayor said, additional meetings with the town's advisory boards will be scheduled and sustainability criteria will be applied to any new regulations.

"Until we can revise our codes in a very sensible way that makes sense for the community, who knows?" Gierlach said. 

 "I don't think people even want Rico (Colibri ) to write our local code." 


GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE."

GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE."

 GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE."



Monkey
Monkey

I hate government control too, but the arguments against the measure is "visitors" can't leave with their herb? Are you just as pissed at bars and restaurants for making you finish of forfeit your drink when you want to leave? Not really a question I want answered, more of an observation....And I'm not looking for an argument, I have not read any of the proposed regulations, just making a comment.

stuka1
stuka1

http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_22603037/advocates-push-nederland-enable-pot-sales-but-mayor" Mayor Gierlach referred to the ordinance as "premature" and said that while Colibri may recently have moved to Nederland, he is clearly not familiar with the local planning process, which involves a healthy dose of resident input."We don't even build a sidewalk in our town without consulting our people," Gierlach said. "We're moving forward with our code revisions and we're going to use the Nederland planning process and that is what is best for our citizens."...The town has a public meeting scheduled for Feb. 26 during which the town attorney will give an update on the implications of what is taking place at the state level, Gierlach said, and a local implementation task force will be seated.From there, the mayor said, additional meetings with the town's advisory boards will be scheduled and sustainability criteria will be applied to any new regulations."Until we can revise our codes in a very sensible way that makes sense for the community, who knows?" Gierlach said. "I don't think people even want Rico (Colibri ) to write our local code."

GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE."

GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE."

GIERLACH: I DON'T THINK PEOPLE EVEN WANT RICO (COLIBRI) TO WRITE OUR LOCAL CODE

DonkeyHotay
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Troxell filed a campaign finance complaint with the city alleging supporters of statewide ballot question Amendment 64 to legalize recreational marijuana and backers of Fort Collins municipal Measure 301 to repeal the local ban on medical marijuana businesses blurred the lines between issues by pooling resources for signs promoting their passage in tandem.

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DonkeyHotay
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Lakewood police have linked narcotics to the explosion of a shed Saturday night that sent four people to the hospital but are so far undecided whether anyone will be charged.


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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

                                        *** Vote NO on Rico! ***

                    *** Vote NO on Xenophobic Prejudice and Hatred! ***

                           *** Vote NO on this Prohibitionist Puke! ***


PR420
PR420

If anyone would like to provided feedback on the proposed recreational marijuana initiative before we circulate petitions please email me your ideas or concerns at rico@cannabis-alliance.org

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi

"so you have a problem with non Colorado residents not being able to buy enough pot in Ned?"

Thats far more restrictive than A64, but what I have a HUGE PROBLEM with is you forcing out of staters to consume ON PREMISES what they buy, so they can be waylaid on the way out of town with an unbelievably high THC blood count and stoned out of their minds by the Highwaymen in Blue, and FUCKED by the police/addiction treatment/ court/prison industrial complex. Come to fucking Colorado on fucking vacation, leae on fucking Probation!

At least it treats fucking cannabis just like fucking alcohol!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1... or the way the newbie Rico Colibri instantly alienates, denigrates and disparages the majority of longtime Ned residents -- private growers -- by not only calling them "Black Market Drug Criminals" ... but by proposing NEW LAWS and REGULATIONS which would use the FORCE of Government to destroy their lives.

Lowlife Self-Serving Prohibitionist Scumbag.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1... or the way the Newbie Colibri instantly alienates  denigrates and criminalizes the majority of longtime Ned residents -- private growers --- by not only calling them "Black Market Drug Dealers" ... but also by proposing NEW LAWS and REGULATIONS which would use the FORCE of GOVERNMENT to destroy their lives.

Lowlife Self-serving Prohibitionist Pig.


KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1You understand that the Mayor and everything you just quoted from the story above only shows how local government is pretending a peoples initiative is something the town government can stop or interfere with?  Well they can't and legally have no say and no legal means to stop it. 

You understand that the meeting was set in response to a peoples initiative being filed and has no effect on the initiative process?

You understand A64 was the same thing?  a peoples initiative written by the people, for the people because the government has failed to act on the will of the people?   

""I don't think people even want Rico (Colibri ) to write our local code." "  

You get that the Mayor and the BoT would prefer to listen to the Colorado Municipal League and just outright ban businesses? That that was what they talked about (off agenda) at the last BoT meeting? 

You have been blabbing nonsense about this language over-regulating and you support the comments from the town government not caring about the pure democracy of the vote of the people via a peoples initiative?  

Well aren't you credible--not.

stuka1
stuka1

@Monkey 

Since you can't be fucking bothered to read the proposal, Monkey, here is the portion that we are discussing and you are fucking strawmanning:

"6) it shall be unlawful to sell a non-colorado resident marijuana or marijuana products that exceed five (5) grams or five (5) servings (edibles) per consumer per day and all sales shall be for on premise consumption only"

 Which means, Genius, that Joe or Jane Vacationer has to consume ALL of the up-to-5 grams of FuckMePumpedUpMyAss Kush they buy at a retail store in order to leave, making them highly vulnerable to the inevitable cops who will be vulching the parking lot or the highway out of town to nail them for $10,000 worth of DUID.


Do you have any idea what 5 grams can do to a person?  Would you have a liquor store customer be forced to slam an entire bottle of vodka before they could leave the liquor store, because they were from out of state? 


It's fucking lunacy.

stuka1
stuka1

@Monkey 


WRONG. I have no problem with finishing or forfeiting drinks at a bar. You are misrepresenting my argument. The proposal YOU HAVENT FUCKING READ says that out of town customers must consume everything they buy at ANY establishment. Would you have them consume a fifth of vodka at a liquor store before they were allowed to leave? Fucking derp.

orson
orson

@stuka1 

Sounds like another marijuana scampaign.  Everybody's trying to cash in...local gov, state gov, lawyers, doctors, mental health care, law enforcement, and certainly marijuana vendors.  Forcing customers to consume on site guarantees more revenues for marijuana vendors.  The language is intended to increase their profits.  Modeled after amsterdam's quasi legal "coffee shops" ... what a fucking joke.  This is just the beginning of stupid regulations to come.  A continuation of prohibition through over regulation fueled by greed, religion, and stupidity.  "Recreational" marijuana is a sham!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... I'd vote for this pathetic piece of crap ... provided that Chippi and Colibri were permanently barred from all commercial marijuana enterprises, and that Chippi and Colibri were subject to the same prohibitionist restrictions on purchase/possession/use they would foist upon out-of-state citizens, and that Chippi and Colibri were forced to consume all their purchases at the point of sale ... before they got into their vehicles and were promptly busted for DUI-m.


Sauce ... Goose ... Stupid Stoner.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1... what fools would want a semi-literate bong-sucking self-loathing closeted prohibitionist stoner with no legal or legislative experience to write ANYTHING ... much less something as important as LEGAL code ?

stuka1
stuka1

@PR420 

ME:

  "6) it shall be unlawful to sell a non-colorado resident marijuana or marijuana products that
exceed five (5) grams or five (5) servings (edibles) per consumer per day and all sales shall be for on premise consumption only"


You have already seen my objections to this horseshit on the Westword blog.  Now fucking explain yourself.

Rico:

 It is the same in Amsterdam (http://www.iamsterdam.com/en-GB/press-room/city-of-amsterdam-press-room/dossier-coffeeshops/faq)  and concerns interstate and intrastate commerce issues. I do not read westword blog comments nor do I feel the need to "explain" myself. However if you have something viable to offer I will consider it and pass it along to the other proponents.

ME:

 FUCK Amsterdam.  We are not Amsterdam. You invited comments and I invited to you to review what has been discussed on the site you made your invitation on.


Since you refuse to read the blog you posted your own comment onto, I will reiterate:


"6) it shall be unlawful to sell a non-colorado resident marijuana or marijuana products that
exceed five (5) grams or five (5) servings (edibles) per consumer per day and all sales shall be for

on premise consumption only"


My reply is, since you insist on being fucking spoon-fed:


Wow. Just fucking wow. So if I am from out of state and want to pick up some mj to enjoy at Red Rocks for a show (just as an example) I have to consume ALL of it on premise and drive to RR fucked up.  And the Blue Stripe Highwaymen are waiting on the side of the road for me. Great! Way to feed the police/"addiction"/prison industry pigs! 



Now ANSWER how that is supposed to make the Colorado cannabis market a free and legal enterprise rather than a fucking faux-criminal mill.

 

stuka1
stuka1

@PR420 "If anyone would like to provided feedback on the proposed recreational marijuana initiative before we circulate petitions please email me your ideas or concerns at rico@cannabis-alliance.org"


And be prepared to wade through a fusillade of evasion, strawmanning, finger-pointing, condescension, and tap-dancing as he desperately tries to defend this idiotic, over-reaching, prohibitionist, and most significantly IRRELEVANT piece of shit.


Oh, and even worse, be accused of being DonkeyHotay when PR420 has no arguments left.

stuka1
stuka1

@PR420 


Soooo.. in other words you intend to simply ignore the objections folks raise here, on your big sounding-off platform?  Awful short sighted, methimks.

DoctorJimmy
DoctorJimmy

@PR420 No on 64......but lets regulate the fuck out of it so I can get rich! Yahoo!

stuka1
stuka1


FUCK, I just can't get over how you would just casually throw the out of state tourists that contribute so much to our economy under the police/court/moneygrubbinglocalgovernmdnt/addiction"treatment"/prisonIndustry bus. Its fucking obscene.

stuka1
stuka1


It's irresponsible as fuck. Joe or Jane Tourist can buy 5 grams of 22% FuckMePumpedUpKush, but HAS to smoke ALL of it right here, right now, and out the fucking door you go, sweetie, have a nice ride, because the cops vulching this place from across the street are gonna ride your bank account from here to your used/to/be retirement as soon as you try to make it back to Denver or your hotel or wherever you thought you were gonna go. Welcome to fucking Colorado. How you likin' your newfound freedom from prohibition? 

stuka1
stuka1


And by the way  ,this is the second time I have made a point and you have attemted to dodge it by latching on to the opening clause and completely ignoring the point itself. Fine if you want to pull that sort of disingenuous horseshit, but know that I will never let you get away with it and it only makes you look like an idiot.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi 

"You have been blabbing nonsense about this language over-regulating..."

How is it "nonsense" when you have admitted below -- in the same breath, actually, that your throwing out of state tourists to the wolves is wrong?  Derp

"I agree with you on the 'on premise' consumption and we can and will remove it--since the town clerk has unlawfully stalled giving it an accurate title for a month since submission--the language can change.  I also didn't like it."

WAITWHAT???But I thought that your proposal was The Will of the People -- Did you consult The People before deciding to make this change, or are you now admitting that it's just you and Rico kidding yourself that you two alone speak for The People? 

"... and you support the comments from the town government not caring..."

You can FUCK your army of strawmen that you keep trying to misrepresent my comments with.  

"Well aren't you credible--not."

Credible enough to shame you and Rico into dropping that piece of shit throwing out of state visitors under the bus! Democracy at work! The People have Spoken!



 

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi 

I understand that you and Colibri are not The People, and do not represent The People, and do not speak for The People,  and it is not the will of The People to enact a far more restrictice law that throws out of state visitors (among others) under the imprisonment industry bus. I also understand that the Nederland government process includes a great deal of input from The People, and your attempt to bully The People into enacting exttemely bad law is going nowhere.

Monkey
Monkey

@stuka1  Sounds like a bar, not a liquor store. A bar with a 5 drink (per day) limit for non-residents. I guess they don't want non-residents to buy weed in a liquor store type setting, for some reason. It's probably so they can pretend they're saving all the other states from Colorado weed being exported. Politics is disgusting, everyone has to fool the other side into believing it's for their own good.

Case
Case

@orson @stuka1 The Chippi/Colibri law is a sham. When are people going to figure out that legalization means the *absence* of laws, and cannot be achieved by making more laws?

Case
Case

@stuka1 @PR420 It will benefit the Colibri/Chippi commercial enterprise in Ned, and isn't that the American way of writing laws to protect special interests? "He who has the gold makes the rules."

Case
Case

@stuka1 Yep, you know someone is at the end of their rhetorical rope when they start accusing you of being Donkey Hotay! When all else fails, point fingers at the ass!

stuka1
stuka1


For starters, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THROWING OUT OF STATE TOURIST SUPPORTERS OF OUR ECONOMY TO THE FUCKING PROHIBITIONIST POLICE/TREATMENTMONGER/GREEDY COURT/LOCALGOV/PRISON/INDUSTRY PIGS?????

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 

5 grams of Bud ... or 5 grams of Hash ... or 5 grams of Hash OIL ... or 5 Deca-dose Cheeba Chews ... all consumed on the premises!

... before they stumble to the other Ned dispensaries and repeat!

Only the pro-law enforcement prohibitionist Rico Colibri could have come up with this insane BULLSHIT.

Imagine a Liquor Store FORCING you to consume 5 bottles of vodka on the premises ... simply because you're from out-of-state.

FUCKING STONER RETARDS are as FUCKING STONER RETARDS do !!


KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1  I'm not so sure I'm the one looking like an idiot if you read the thread--maybe the one being libeled and trashed on, but not the one sounding like a 6 year old having a tantrum and lashing out.  

Like is it that bad to make it illegal to sell to an intoxicated person?   Who does that harm?  Who is violated? 

I suggest you use all of your intelligence and start writing an initiative for the town you live in.  Please send it in to the WW so we can all read it and make comments.

I agree with you on the 'on premise' consumption and we can and will remove it--since the town clerk has unlawfully stalled giving it an accurate title for a month since submission--the language can change.  I also didn't like it. 

But we do need to address something to attempt to prevent out of state trafficking from the regulated business framework of A64.  Do we really want attention from the feds and other states because out of staters are entrepreneur's and taking pot home?  Then getting pulled over and then everyone saying Colorado can't control the pot so the state amps up more crazy regulations on Coloradans--because of the actions of non Coloradans?  You know the state wants to ban sales to non residents all together.  I don't want that so what is the answer?

Anyone have any idea's on how to at least attempt to prevent non Coloradans from fucking it up for Coloradans?  I think a limit on retail sales per day and no sales of plants clones or seeds.  The hopeful interstate traffickers can still get unlimited pot from resident friends, then the A64 regulated system would have a better chance at not being deemed a failure by everyone from around the country.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 @KathleenChippi "I agree with you on the 'on premise' consumption and we can and will remove it--since the town clerk has unlawfully stalled giving it an accurate title for a month since submission--the language can change.  I also didn't like it."

So what ignorant cunt came up with, proposed and wrote that absurd piece of shit ... that would deny out-of-state residents what little freedom was granted by A64? 

The 1 (one) pathetic ounce granted by A64 wasn't ridiculous enough, some ignorant cunt pretending to be a lawmaker decided to REDUCE it to 5 (five) fucking grams ... and then randomly attack and target "other people" with it?

Fuck you Kathleen, Fuck you Rico, and Fuck what you're doing to the People of Nederland and all those who would visit Nederland.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1

Kathleen + Rico certainly do NOT represent Legalization or the Rights of Marijuana Users with this repugnant, overly restrictive, dysfunctional, mypoic piece of shit they've proposed.

Kathleen = destroying her entire legacy as a marijuana activist with this obnoxious regulatory prohibitionist Colibri-crap.

stuka1
stuka1


@Monkey @stuka1 Yes they are applying bar or Amsterdam cafe rules, But this isnt Amsterdam. And bar rules arent applied to liquor stores (or shopping centers or 7 11's), amd their language clearly belies that they have not thought any of this through.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Case ... no, he's the convicted criminal sex-offender Repuglican McLawyer with gullible semi-literate bong-sucking self-loathing closeted prohibitionist stoners as clients.


anon14
anon14

@Case @stuka1

We are all Donkey Hotay.

stuka1
stuka1

Well, Kennedy and Sabet and Turdstone and Kerlikmearse will love this, because it will fill their "treatment" coffers with oodles of coin and much "evidence" of "addiction" they can claim was "caused" by "opening Pandora's Box". Good job, Kathleen, the fucking prohibitionists are laughing up their sleeves.75

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... it follows their depraved, hypocritical delusion that Out-of-State Stoners are bad "black market criminals" who DESERVE to be PUNISHED, RESTRICTED and PROHIBITED from enjoying what little Constitutional freedom applies under A64. 

That's as vile and repugnant as the overt exclusionary bigotry, hate and racism espoused by the KKK.

Kathleen must be abusing crack or meth to have signed on to this contemptible piece of crap.

Forcing people to consume up to 5 grams of pot/hash/oil at the retail store will GUARANTEE they will be over the 5 ng/ml DUI-m limit ... for quite some time.

It's grotesquely irresponsible, and utterly insane.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay 


Well, that's my point. I wouldn't drive after a single hit of ANYTHING, and even that would just be a "drag" like one would do on a cigarette, rather than a full-blown, suck/it/down/like/its/your/last/breath toke like so many people mistakenly (a lousy way to titrate, IMHO) do.  

Slamming  5 edibles, I can't even imagine what that would do to me.  No. Fucking. Way. And what happened to the philosophy behind this law of facilitating  lawful sale and use here and now? This clause sacrificed that noble goal on the altar of.....hell, I dont know WHAT the fuck what. What is the point of throwing tourists who come support our economy under the prohibitionist bus? I just dont fucking get it.

stuka1
stuka1

--And the other half of that, that I haven't even gotten into, is when you turn someone loose on the street after 5 grams of FuckMePumpedUpMyAss Kush, they just might get in a wreck or run over and KILL SOMEONE in their car. What a great way to end a vacation, yathink?

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi "Like is it that bad to make it illegal to sell to an intoxicated person?   Who does that harm?  Who is violated?"

Jesus fucking Christ -- *I* am the one who is objecting to your plan to pump out-of-state visitors up on-premise with all the pot they buy, and my clearly stated intention is that they DON'T have to leave the place intoxicated! Duh Duh Duh! I *know* where the fucking HARM is in THAT! I KNOW who gets VIOLATED, too!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@KathleenChippi "But we do need to address something to attempt to prevent out of state trafficking from the regulated business framework of A64."

Complete and total BULLSHIT!

... and utterly impossible.



stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi

 "@stuka1  I'm not so sure I'm the one looking like an idiot if you read the thread"
You are the one who told me I have no credibility in one breath and in the next breath said you are going to dump the section I objected to.
"but not the one sounding like a 6 year old having a tantrum and lashing out. "
If you can't handle colorful language, then get the fuck off the internet. Your sad attempts at condescension are impressing no one. Nor convincing anyone.
"Like is it that bad to make it illegal to sell to an intoxicated person?   Who does that harm?  Who is violated?"
DAFUCK? Can you cite where I objected to this? Or said ANYTHING about it AT ALL?? You can stuff your army of strawmen up your ass and light them on fire.

"I suggest you use all of your intelligence and start writing an initiative for the town you live in.  Please send it in to the WW so we can all read it and make comments."
When did I ask your advice? I suggest you go fuck yourself.

"I agree with you on the 'on premise' consumption and we can and will remove it..."
After all your flailing and crying and finger-pointing and strawmanning, you finally see a little bit of the light.  Fucking Bravo.
"...the language can change.  I also didn't like it."
Then why the fuck did you put it in the proposal in the first place?   Jeebus, what lunacy.

"But we do need to address something to attempt to prevent out of state trafficking from the regulated business framework of A64."
NO, we don't. What happened to all your happy horseshit about We The People telling Big Government to fuck the hell off?  What happened to "baby steps are bullshit"?  What happened to "we don't need 20 new laws where one would suffice" when now you are proposing twenty fucking PAGES of new laws?
  "Do we really want attention from the feds and other states because out of staters are entrepreneur's and taking pot home?"
That's already happening, and has been happening for a long time. You seem to conveniently "forget" that we have had MMJ here for over a decade.  You act like every tourist is really an out of state dealer trying to horn in on your territory and undercut your prices.  That's no fucking way to write law.
"Then getting pulled over and then everyone saying Colorado can't control the pot so the state amps up more crazy regulations on Coloradans--because of the actions of non Coloradans?"
And your "solution" to this non-problem is to amp up more crazy regulations of your own. That's fucking stupid.
"You know the state wants to ban sales to non residents all together.  I don't want that so what is the answer?"
The STATE??? The legislative process hasn't even started. You keep trying to bully the people with your Henny-Penny hysteria and it's not working. A64 doesn't restrict sales to residents only. The task farce is not "The State".

"Anyone have any idea's on how to at least attempt to prevent non Coloradans from fucking it up for Coloradans?"
Again, here is you Henny-Penny doomsaying. It is not a given that "non-residents will fuck it up for CO".  That is just your propaganda trying to protect yoru empire.

 "I think a limit on retail sales per day and no sales of plants clones or seeds.  The hopeful interstate traffickers can still get unlimited pot from resident friends, then the A64 regulated system would have a better chance at not being deemed a failure by everyone from around the country."
You admit yourself that anyone who would want to get around that will. What is the point of writing a law you KNOW has no teeth? And won't it be nice when the police start running stings all over the place "befriending" unsuspecting residents and duping them into buying them a small portion of cannabis and sending them up the river on federal trafficking charges.
I don't have a HUGE problem with limiting sales to non-residents, IF that sort of measure becomes absolutely necessary because of REAL (and not imagined or feinted) legal pressure from the Feds.  BUT we have not seen that, and with Polis' and other bills seeking to curb the feds (and I think they have a lot better chances of passing now than what we are hearing in the media), it's too early in the game to be caving in to their hemming and hawing.
IF we were to HAVE to enact restrictions on non-resident sales, I agree that would be reasonable to limit retail sales per day, and I also agree up-front that it is reasonable to argue that from a legal standpoint a non-resident from a state that has not enacted recreational or MMJ laws (and who cannot legally posess them under their own laws) has no legitimate legal need under current law to buy plants, clones or seeds here. Good luck limiting daily retail sales to non-residents, though.  I can look down some streets and count four or six MMJ shops at once.
But I DO NOT AGREE that we need to just enact a bunch of mindless restrictions out of fear caused by wild speculation about what the feds or the task farce (who carry NO legal weight) might or might not say.
And I don't really give a shit what you all do in Nederland, but you are touting this horseshit as some sort of model for the rest of the state -- and no, it's not -- and you're going about it all wrong, so please just quit pretending you speak for The People, because you and Rico are not The People, your parochial interests are not in The People's interests -- certainly not for the entire state, and it looks like not even for the little town of Nederland -- and you making up shit in your living room isn't you speaking for The People. The People are not an extension of your little mind. The People and the world do not revolve around you.

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