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Marijuana: Jeremy Usher, Navy vet, could go to jail for treating his PTSD with cannabis

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Jeremy Usher and friend.
After returning from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq ten years ago, Navy veteran Jeremy Usher experienced symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder according to the Greeley Tribune. He subsequently tried treating his condition with alcohol, resulting in multiple DUIs and a probationary sentence. But switching to medical marijuana to address his ailment could lead to jail. Marijuana-reform advocates have worked for more than two years to eliminate the kind of prospect currently facing Usher -- but thus far to no avail.

In July 2010, as we reported at the time, a group of veterans, lawyers and activists presented a petition to the Colorado Board of Health asking that PTSD by added to the list of conditions treatable by marijuana.

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Brian Vicente.
"We've been hearing from veterans for years who have been injured in the line of duty protecting our country and have PTSD related to that," said Brian Vicente, who'd go on to become one of the primary proponents of Amendment 64. "And they're concerned about the lack of veteran access for medical marijuana for PTSD. Currently, veterans face criminal prosecution for possessing or using medical marijuana to alleviate any sort of medical condition, and we just think that's unconscionable. People who have served our country deserve the best access to health care possible."

The following September, however, the state health department rejected the petition without even bothering to hold a hearing to look into the evidence presented by its supporters. Vicente was frustrated by this decision. "I feel like this is just an absolutely arbitrary decision on behalf of the health department," he told us, adding, "I think they've allowed their prejudice to cloud compassion. They should have at least allowed for a public hearing, so we could hear from experts regarding this issue."

Last year, a breakthrough on this topic seemed to take place at the federal level. In April, the Food and Drug Administration approved a study related to PTSD and marijuana, giving the go-ahead to the nonprofit Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) to analyze the effect of five marijuana treatments apiece on fifty veterans with PTSD for whom other more conventional approaches hadn't worked.

Problem is, another federal agency, the Health and Human Services Department, refused to sell MAPS government-grown marijuana provided to a handful of patients nationwide -- including Irvin Rosenfeld, subject of a November 2010 Westword blog.

Vicente's response to that?

Continue for more about marijuana and PTSD.


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stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay: " ... it is ENTIRELY a CRIMINAL probation issue ... "

And, more importantly for the purposes of THIS discussion, it is not an A64 issue AT ALL. 

QED, and thank you for conceding my point and destroying your own fusillade of bullshit posts whining about A64 being to blame for this.


Case
Case

Let's summarize some of the blatantly-wrong Stupa1 interpretations of A64:

Stupa1 says:

- growing inside a shed is considered growing outdoors

- A64 "personal use" does not protect a veteran using A64 to treat his PTSD. You have to be using marijuana to recreationally, with the intent to have fun, to be covered by A64



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Case ... don't forget that idiot's interpretation of "remuneration" to be limited to money.


stuka1
stuka1

@Case suffers from the same sort of chronic serial disingenuous Strawmanning syndrome that the Jackass does. 

1) Growing inside a GREENHOUSE is growing outdoors. \

2) A64 is irrelevant in Usher's case because it is a PROBATION VIOLATION issue. He can't drink alcohol either. If he does, A64 can't help him either.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay

re·mu·ner·ate  Pay (someone) for services rendered or work done.

Case
Case

@DonkeyHotay Yes, of course. This guy must be part of the A64 campaign. They all play fast and loose with the terminology hoping no one will notice. And throwing out BIG WORDS like "strawmanning" at every opportunity, sort of trying to create a "red herring-ing" situation. Signature mark of a puerile A64 pot pimp CU graduate wanna-be marijuana mcLawyer.. So easy to spot their pathetically wrong arguments and pathetically vain attempts to cover up their ignorance.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1

 A20 is irrelevant in Usher's case because it is a PROBATION VIOLATION issue. He can't drink alcohol either. If he does, A20 can't help him either.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 "Growing inside a GREENHOUSE is growing outdoors."

LOL!

Retard much?

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay  We = me and everyone else who has pwned you over your idiotic and fact-challenged rants.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 who's "we" ?

You and the other imaginary friends in your fantasy?

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay"A64 = ZERO reductions in Arrests."

We have already proven that to be a lie many times over. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... well, it certainly IS an issue for the Stupid Stoners in Colorado Springs who claimed they were operating under A64 offering "free" pot and are now facing LIFE in PRISON for their Marijuana Crimes.

A64 = ZERO reductions in Arrests.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay @stuka1 You are the ignoramus who has not provided even a single cite to oppose it. It's really not an issue for me anyway, as I do not intend to "sell" anything anyway.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... you're the legal ignoramus who claims that "remuneration" requires "money" to change hands.

You = Legal FAIL again.

HipTip: If you're going to continue to FUCK YOURSELF in Public like this, use more lube and it won't chafe so much.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay = can't back up his bullshit with anything at all, can only sneer at others' cites. 

DonkeyHotay = Debate 101 FAIL!

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay As distinguished from the regulation of medical use of marijuana, which is covered by A20, you fucking dolt.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... sounds like "semantics"  ...

"precise about language" = "BECAUSE, DUMBASS, A64 pertains to RECREATIONAL USE ONLY."

LOL!

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay Funny that you would confuse being precise about language and rhetorical devises vs Sophistry as akin to Asperger's. Too far over your head.

stuka1
stuka1

@Case @DonkeyHotay Strawmanning is a "big word" for you? Wow. But a Straw Man IS a form of a red herring argument, which is what you and the Jackass excel at to the detriment of any ability you might have had to engage in any sort of real communication, discussion or debate.

Your chronic reading comprehension problem is raising its ugly head again. Of course your childish accusations of me working for A64 are simply Argumentum Ad Hominem, yet another form of red herring. You really have nothing else to argue with.

stuka1
stuka1

= MISREPRESENTS (LIES ABOUT) the positions of those who PWN him and SPANK HIS ASS every day.

You = despicable Cuntstine TatumTurdstone Project SHAM prohibitionist shill

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 = claims the CRIMINAL LAWS that will CONTINUE to send people to Prison for Marijuana use are "frivolous and trivial".

You = vile reprehensible puke


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay@stuka1 

"NOT ONE Criminal Statute was Repealed by A64!"

Quibble:  to evade the point of an argument by caviling about words 

See: "DonkeyHotay

 Cavil: to raise trivial and frivolous objection

See: "DonkeyHotay"

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay "... and don't forget,  A64 did NOT revoke a single Criminal Statute against marijuana in Colorado."

It SUPERSEDED a shitload of them.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay

"... it is ENTIRELY a CRIMINAL probation issue ..."

You just flip-flopped your position. Nice.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1  ... it is ENTIRELY a CRIMINAL probation issue ... 

... and don't forget,  A64 did NOT revoke a single Criminal Statute against marijuana in Colorado.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay@stuka1 "A20 is irrelevant in Usher's case because it is a PROBATION VIOLATION issue. He can't drink alcohol either. If he does, A20 can't help him either."

 He can legally take Marinol. It IS MOSTLY a probation violation issue, yes. Big of you to finally admit it.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... run along home now ... don't forget to take your ball with you.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay @stuka1 That might prove interesting, but Black's is clear that a fenced yard is an enclosed space.

QED Game Set Match. 

Good night, loser.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 ... so you intend on using the Mathematical Paradox defense when you get busted for growing your 3 (three) pathetic plants OUTSIDE ?

-- If the Polygon doesn't fit, you must Acquit !!


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay = has no idea what wonderful paradoxes lie in mathematics. Sorry you didn't finish fifth grade, retard/.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1  says plain Geometry 101 = Cubes with 24 sides.

Noted.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay in simple, plain Geometry 101. Already cited. Is a YARD more like a Polygon, or a Cube?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 = claims a Cube has 24 (twenty four) Sides !

In what version of Supersymmetric String Theory and at what Quantum scale(s)?


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay = has never even HEARD of Reductio Ad Absurdum. No surprise here.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay @stuka1 \

<retard on>
Inside City Park is Inside! Inside City Park isn't Outside! 
</retard off>

Precisely. Welcome to Reductio Ad Asbsurdum, numbnuts!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1"INSIDE a YARD is INSIDE!" "INSIDE a YARD isn't OUTSIDE"!

LOL! ... you've gone completely mental, haven't you?

<retard on>
Inside City Park is Inside! Inside City Park isn't Outside! 
</retard off>


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay@stuka1 

What is the NATURE of a CUBE?

 http://www.mathopenref.com/cube.html

Parts of a cube Face Also called facets or sides. [stuka's note: see that "SIDES" has TWO definitions here, one being a cube FACE, adn the other being the EDGE of a cube FACE] A cube has six faces which are all squares, so each face has four equal sides and all four interior angles are right angles.

6 FACES X 4 SIDES = 24 SIDES

So I ask you, Jackass, is a YARD more akin to a CUBE, or a POLYGON?

stuka1
stuka1

What is a SIDE?

http://www.mathopenref.com/square.html

Square: A 4-sided regular polygon with all sides equal and all internal angles 90°

A square can be thought of as a special case of other quadrilaterals, for example

  • a rectangle but with adjacent sides equal
  • a parallelogram but with adjacent sides equal and the angles all 90°

A FENCED YARD is an area with all SIDES ENCLOSED by a FENCE. 

 DERP.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay "INSIDE a YARD is INSIDE!" "INSIDE a YARD isn't OUTSIDE"!

Fucking dolt.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay : 

"PopQuiz -- How many SIDES does a Cube have?

Take your time, it's an open book test"

A CUBE has SIX SURFACES: ***FOUR SIDES***, a TOP and a BOTTOM

The Jackass is PWNED again!

stuka1
stuka1

You want to provide a citation for that. Black's is online, BTW.

 Like this one:

The Law Dictionary Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.

 (http://thelawdictionary.org/curtilage/):

What is CURTILAGE?

The ENCLOSED SPACE of ground and buildings immediately surrounding a dwelling-house. In its most comprehensive and proper legal signification, it includes all that space of ground and buildings thereon which is usually enclosed within the general FENCE immediately surrounding a principal messuage and outbuildings, and yard closely adjoining to a dwelling-house, but it may be large enough for cattle to be levant and couchant therein. 1 Chit. Gen. Pr. 175.


Read more: What is CURTILAGE? definition of CURTILAGE (Black's Law Dictionary)The Law Dictionary

As you see here, my fine A64 McLawyer Friend, Black's is using the term ENCLOSED SPACE in this definition to include a YARD surrounded by a FENCE.

But thanks again for the Amateur Hour. Batting you guys around in the corner has been an absolute blast.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1

PopQuiz -- How many SIDES does a Cube have?

Take your time, it's an open book test.


stuka1
stuka1

@Case @stuka1 YES, on ALL SIDES. That doesn't mean the top. Nor does it mean that the top has to be a solid roof. Yes, take your amateur hour down the road.

Case
Case

@stuka1 Black's Law Dictionary defines "enclose" as "inclose" meaning to surround "ON ALL SIDES". 

I am done with Amateur Hour. The A64 McLawyers are bad enough, but the A64 wannabe McLawyers are worse.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 "Growing inside a GREENHOUSE is growing outdoors."

@stuka1 "BECAUSE, DUMBASS, A64 pertains to RECREATIONAL USE ONLY."

@stuka1 "I retract nothing."

lololololololzzz!

HipTip: INSIDE a Jail Cell is not Outside.



stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay  Really, idiot, the red herring is yours. You claim it can't be grown  outside. the A64 Task Farce is trying to push language that states that "Enclosed" also means "covered". That is NOT in the amendment. And the Task farce's RECOMMENDATIONS aren't law.

Case
Case

@DonkeyHotay

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Regulation is legalization.
Indoor is outdoor.

Pot-tard Double-speak!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 = red herring-ing attempts to distract from his ABJECT FAILURE!

In the Retardo World of Stupka1 -- INSIDE is OUTSIDE!



stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay @stuka1 We have been  over this before, Donkey. The difference is indoor vs outdoor GROWING METHODS. A greenhouse doesn't require special lights, ventilation, completely artificial watering, etc.


DonkeyHotay = quibbling, strawmanning, idiotic caviller

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