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Marijuana activist thinks state should consider a glass of wine proof of alcoholism? Sort of

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Should a glass of wine be considered proof of alcoholism? If a child sees a parent sip some booze, should state personnel remove the youngster from the home? These suggestions and more are part of an open letter to Governor John Hickenlooper (see it below) written by Bill Althouse, a cannabis activist who's started an organization called Regulate Alcohol Like Marijuana -- a reversal on the Amendment 64 pitch to regulate marijuana like alcohol. Althouse admits that he's not really calling for such measures -- but he's making a serious point.

Althouse is no fan of recommendations made by the Hickenlooper-appointed Amendment 64 task force. In his view, the group's members were motivated by what he calls the "Oh, we've got to save the children!" philosophy voiced by "all those parents who can't protect their kids and want the state to do it." But he thinks such folks have chosen the wrong target.

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Bill Althouse.
"If they're really serious about protecting kids, they've got to get alcohol away from them," he maintains. "That's the real killer. So if they're willing to get into people's lives, they should address the real dangers, not the perceived dangers."

A lifetime of experience led Althouse to these conclusions. He says he has "the alcoholic gene...it killed my father, it killed my grandfather," and it might have done the same to him if he hadn't quit consuming intoxicating spirits 37 years ago, in part by using marijuana to kick the habit.

In more recent years, while living in New Mexico, Althouse has focused on the biotechnology end of the marijuana industry. He says he was one of the country's "first producers of cannabidiol," the cannabis compound that has many medical applications but doesn't contain active THC. In his words, "I think the no-high potential of this plant is even more spectacular than the get-high potential."

His efforts got the attention of Albuquerque Journal, which profiled him in April 2012 -- and he saw Colorado as just the place for him to take his research and enterprise to the next level. But after relocating to the state, he says his dream of starting a cannabis cooperative ran afoul of regulations that appear to be coming down the pike.

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What's John Hickenlooper drinking? Beer or fracking fluid?
"When I look at the recommendations, I see a vertically integrated monopoly controlled by a small group of people with huge piles of cash," he allows. "And if the reason for these draconian laws is fear for our children, let's look at that. If 75 percent of domestic abuse and violence is alcohol-related, then let's get draconian on what's really causing all those problems."

With that in mind, he suggests applying the restrictions either in place or suggested for marijuana to alcohol. No consumption of liquor in public, for example -- and no advertising anywhere other than adult publications.

"If it's about a threat to our kids, let's deal with the greatest threat," he argues. "Because if we're not going to deal with the greatest threat, it's obviously not about our kids."

Continue to read Bill Althouse's open letter to Governor John Hickenlooper about regulating alcohol like marijuana.



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Chris Estus
Chris Estus

@Tim the part where they took that statement out of the title and body of A64. Read what was voted for it says nothing about regulating pot like alcohol. this is the problem in this county people vote but have no clue what they are voting for.

stuka1
stuka1


It's Reductio ad Absurdum, pplz!

Tim Lozar
Tim Lozar

what part of "regulate like alcohol" does the task force not understand? He makes a good point. If alcohol were regulated like they want to regulate weed we'd be worse than Utah for alcohol rules.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

"A lifetime of experience led Althouse to these conclusions. He says he has "the alcoholic gene...it killed my father, it killed my grandfather," and it might have done the same to him if he hadn't quit consuming intoxicating spirits 37 years ago, in part by using marijuana to kick the habit."

When I openly expressed a wish that my father, who passed away from alcohol abuse, had done the same, a certain infamous troll indicated that I was stupid to believe it was possible.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident topcommenter

I spy with my little eye, an alcoholic authoritarian in digital array.

I assure you, Nixonlooper, that cannabis is here to stay.

kadargo
kadargo

My position exactly!  Thanks Bill!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

The Stupid Stoners did this to THEMSELVES by conflating Marijuana with Alcohol in the dysfunctional turd that is A64 ... then SURRENDERING TOTAL CONTROL of Marijuana over to the same BigGovernment Regulators, the insatiable Dept. of Revenue and the Law Enforcement Goons who've been running the Drug War for the past 40+ years.

Stoners = Self-Destructive Epic FAIL!

johnsullivanmusic
johnsullivanmusic

This is brilliant.  I believe that in this legalization phase that the ountry is going through the big sabtaging industries will be;  Alcohol, Tobacco, Big Pharma, Cops and prosecutors.  They will all do whatever they can to prevent the part of their market they fear Marijuana could displace.  Alcohol is by-far the most dangerous drug legally available.  Cigarettes kill as many per year but Domestic Violence, crimes against children, traffic fatalities, and I could go on are astronomical with booze and non-existant with Marijuana.  If anything is a gateway drug, at least in my family, it is alcohol.  Adults are expected to imbibe in our culture.  The main reason that people choose to not drink is not the foul taste or undesired effects or, they just don't like it it's because they have encountered a problem in themselves or others that makes them afraid to drink.  That says a lot.

JimTom
JimTom

If the alcohol industry thinks the movement has a chance you had better watch the rear view mirror. Hypocrtites never see simple logic like this. Alcohol has a more negative effect on society than ALL other harmful substances and practices combined.

Matt Leising
Matt Leising

Lmao the title of Amendment 64 is Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act of 2012 meaning they are passing legislation that mimics the alcohol industry. For instance, no one under the age of 21 is allowed to consume or posses marijuana just like in the case for alcohol. Try research Charles it helps a lot. Hell your in front of a computer, do a Google search damn.

jtheroux
jtheroux

@Cognitive_Dissident  I do not believe that anything should be made illegal. It was your own fault that your an alcoholic. Its your dad fault he was an alcoholic. Stop pointing the blame at ypur genes and except the fact that you fucked up.  Alcoholics are the worst to point the finger at other people then except responsibility. Although I do believe that Cannabis does help, but technically you are switching one habbit for the other. Even though pot is good for you, you never really completed the steps to help you healthly. IE blaming everyone else for your addiction, and not taking responsibilities for your own actions. My mom's an alcoholic, my grandma is, both my grandpas, and most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins. Do I drink alcohol yes. Do I drink to get a buzz no. I drink a couple of beers and I am done. Just like I smoke my joint at bed time not to get high but to take the edge off the pain, and to be able to sleep. To have a drug addict backing the a 64 task force is wrong, and makes all us stable people that do smoke pot look bad!

jtheroux
jtheroux

@DonkeyHotay  You are still hazy from the donkey punch your boyfriend gave you. The big government doesn't need to control it.  Also it sounds like the person that gave the interview already been talking to the DEA for a while. I am a disabled veteran, I am a stoner, and you are what wrong with this country. It makes me sad that I went and fought for this country to protect your hypocritical ass. Please kill yourself and do the world a favor!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@JimTom ... then how utterly idiotic were the Stoners who begged the GOVERNMENT to REGULATE "harmless" marijuana LIKE DEADLY Alcohol via A64 ??


Patrick
Patrick

@Matt Leising Show us where Article XVIII, Section 16 says these words:  "Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act". I'll save you the time -- it doesn't contain that phrase at all. Talk about reading comprehension problems!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Matt Leising = another stoner retard who didn't even read, much less comprehend, the actual PROVISIONS of A64.

Where in Colorado Alcohol Regulations is there a LIMIT on how much beer or wine a citizen can purchase from a liquor store, or possess in total?

Stupid Dispensary Criminal Matt Leising only read the title.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jtheroux  "I do not believe that anything should be made illegal."

Legalize ALL Drugs! ... no more special rights for Potheads!



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jtheroux "I am a disabled veteran, I am a stoner,"

Obvious from the cognitive disabilities shown in your posts.

@jtheroux  "and you are what wrong with this country"

... yours is not to wonder why,
yours is but to fight and die.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... every large group has anomalies.

stuka1
stuka1


@DonkeyHotay @JimTom I think its just awesome that you continue to whine and cry over A64. Gives me a warm feeling to see you in such misery.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick(a) IN THE INTEREST OF THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES, ENHANCING 

REVENUE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF 

COLORADO FIND AND DECLARE THAT THE USE OF MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR PERSONS 

TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND TAXED IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL.<----- First paragraph please read :)

Also, were talking about A64. Do keep up :)

Craighkw
Craighkw

@DonkeyHotay You sound really angry and stressed.  You should smoke something for those nerves. 

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay = Supreme Victimization Whiner!

@DonkeyHotay : "Stupid Stoners Ruined My Life, Passed A64, Made Me Waste My Life Trolling Obscure Entertainment Blog All Day Every Day For a Year!"

Read all about it in The Star....


mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Where does it say regulate marijuana EXACTLY like alcohol Charles? I believe it says like which is to say, in a similar fashion. The English language is fun, work on those comprehension skills and you can join in on some! Can't wait to smoke some marijuana with you and your of age family. Love you!!!

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay Reality Check -- The Jackass makes up his own "facts" as he goes along. This is what pathological liars do.

Fucking pathetic loser, King of the Victimhood Whiners

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay "good luck finding your Libertoonian Fantasy Island."

Pot. Kettle. 

JimTom
JimTom

collectivism is for pussy's!

JimTom
JimTom

Still not sure where I siad anything about A64 or MJ. My comment was about what the alcohol industry will do to this guy if he keeps pushing.

JimTom
JimTom

And my comment was about alcohol.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@JimTom 

HipTip: the SUBJECT of the Story is A64, and its absurd conflation of marijuana with alcohol.

JimTom
JimTom

I knew I was right when I siad you couldn't read. No where in my statement did I mention A64 or pot. So I was correct you need to go learn to read.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay The only Stupid Stoner crying and whining here is YOU. You are the KING of Victimization Whiners.

hth fucking moron

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 @DonkeyHotay @JimTom

It's the Stoners who are crying and whining, such is the TOPIC of this ARTICLE ... crying they are getting FUCKED by what THEY ACTUALLY VOTED FOR ... because they were TOO STUPID to READ, much less comprehend what A64 proposed.

Boooo hoooo hooooo! 

stuka1
stuka1

@Patrick = quibbling troll, JackassHoBoy sock

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick @mattleising Thanks, I'm good at making people laugh! You make a poor reader though. Evidently comas and such don't register in your brain as to how it breaks down a sentence. Nice trying to pull something out of context though lmao

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising LOL... Matt sez:

"like alcohol", but "not EXACTLY LIKE "

AND THEN

"that's -exactly- what they are doing"

This is almost the definition of being imprecise. Good try. Thanks for playing.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick @mattleising LIKE alcohol not EXACTLY LIKE so yeah we are :) And that is taking the law seriously because, as you've read, that's exactly what they are doing

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising Except that it is not. What state regulates alcohol so you can only have one ounce at a time? That's not "like" alcohol, is it?  What you mean is they are going to regulate it "kinda like" alcohol and "kinda like" medical marijuana, and since you refuse or have no ability to read the LETTER OF THE LAW, you will not be taken seriously.

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising Sorry, Matt, once again, your imprecise language will get you in trouble. I never said that the "title is all that matters" to me, and it is disingenuous of you to say so. Once again, you are playing fast and loose with the facts to suit your own personal agenda. What matters to me is that people are PRECISE and ACCURATE on all aspects of the law. 

When you're dealing with the LAW, if you are not precise and accurate, you or someone else you have misinformed could end up in jail, so it is very important to get it right.

I'm glad you will NOT be calling Art. XVIII, Section 16 the "Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act" in the future. Education is the key to ending prohibition. But only PRECISE and ACCURATE education is useful. Anything else sets us back.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick @mattleising  Word. I may be a little off on the title but no wrong about the info. Sorry the TITLE is all that matters to you. No one is going to take you seriously if that's all you care about.

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising LOL, what matters is that people get it RIGHT and stop LYING. Is that too much to ask? How do you expect people to take you seriously if you can't get something as simple as the title of a section correct?

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick Lol is the title the only thing that matters to you or the verbiage like when it says regulate marijuana like alcohol?

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising OMG, you are slow. One more time slowly:

Article XVIII, Section 16 is not called the "Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act" as you have claimed.

The only true and accurate "title" for Article XVIII, Section 16 of the Colorado constitution is the "Personal Use and Regulation of Marijuana" Act.

You can't make up "titles" that don't exist.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick Which they are using verbiage in the article to regulate like what? Where's the misinformation?

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising:  As predicted, you cannot come up with a placce in the constitution where it calls Article XVIII, Section 16 the"Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act". 

I never argued the word "alcohol" wasn't in there, I just argued that your fictitious title was misleading and wrong.

Since  Article XVIII, Section 16 also says "in the interest of efficient use of law enforcement resources", it would be just as accurate in your world to call it the "Regulate Marijuana like the Cops Want it Regulated Act."

The thing about law, and especially constitutional amendments, is that the wording DOES matter and you CAN'T play fast and loose with the wording just because it sounds cool. The constitution says what it says, and for you to write that it says something other than what it actually says, is a LIE. Just like the whole A64 campaign, you are misleading people who haven't bothered to read it, thus doing a great dis-service to the marijuana community.

The only true and accurate "title" for XVIII, Section 16  is the "Personal Use and Regulation of Marijuana" Act.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay = still crying, four months and 15 days after A64 passed and broke the grip of his beloved Prohibition. 

I love the smell of Donkey tears in the morning.

Every one of them makes me smile.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jtheroux @stuka1 

Tax the SHIT out of Marijuana -- the Stoners like you DESERVE to pay till they bleed!


jtheroux
jtheroux

@stuka1 Your right he sound like he is the one that is the illegal grower. That is mad that he has to pay taxes now and instead evading taxes.

JimTom
JimTom

And it also only applies to the statement of taxation, no where else EXCEPT the tax statement does the word alcohol appear. Certianly it doesn't use the word in the titile or was it in the blue book. Actually it was removed from the blue book title because it was mis-leading.

buddy
buddy

@DonkeyHotay @mattleising Oh...Donkey doesn't get the entire premise of the letter by Althouse. That's hilarious. Trolling up the forum and he's not even bright enough to comprehend the gist of the letter. lol. Classic. rofl.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Patrick

Matt LIEsing = too stupid to read beyond the A64 scampaign's prevaricating propaganda.

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising Here's your lie, and I will quote you:

"The title of Amendment 64 is Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act of 2012" 

There is no such title anywhere in the constitution, therefore, YOU LIE.

You even prefaced this quote with "LMAO", making fun of someone else for getting it wrong, when in truth, it is you that is spreading lies and misinformation.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@Patrick Lmao Patrick were talking about A64 but as you can clearly see in Article XVIII Sections 16 it mimics that of what? Alcohol regulation  YAY we found the answer to your issue together and no one ever lied to you :) Here's some examples 

(1) Purpose and findings.

(a) IN THE INTEREST OF THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES, ENHANCING 

REVENUE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF 

COLORADO FIND AND DECLARE THAT THE USE OF MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR PERSONS 

TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER AND TAXED IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL.

(b) IN THE INTEREST OF THE HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENRY, THE PEOPLE OF 

THE STATE OF COLORADO FURTHER FIND AND DECLARE THAT MARIJUANA SHOULD BE REGULATED IN A 

MANNER SIMILAR TO ALCOHOL SO THAT:

(I) INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF AGE BEFORE PURCHASING MARIJUANA;

(II) SELLING, DISTRIBUTING, OR TRANSFERRING MARIJUANA TO MINORS AND OTHER 

INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY-ONE SHALL REMAIN ILLEGAL;

(III) DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MARIJUANA SHALL REMAIN ILLEGAL;

(IV) LEGITIMATE, TAXPAYING BUSINESS PEOPLE, AND NOT CRIMINAL ACTORS, WILL CONDUCT 

SALES OF MARIJUANA; AND

(V) MARIJUANA SOLD IN THIS STATE WILL BE LABELED AND SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL 

REGULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT CONSUMERS ARE INFORMED AND PROTECTED.

(c) IN THE INTEREST OF ENACTING RATIONAL POLICIES FOR THE TREATMENT OF ALL VARIATIONS 

OF THE CANNABIS PLANT, THE PEOPLE OF COLORADO FURTHER FIND AND DECLARE THAT INDUSTRIAL 

HEMP SHOULD BE REGULATED SEPARATELY FROM STRAINS OF CANNABIS WITH HIGHER DELTA-9 

TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL (THC) CONCENTRATIONS.

(d) THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF COLORADO FURTHER FIND AND DECLARE THAT IT IS 

NECESSARY TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY AND FAIRNESS IN THE APPLICATION OF THIS SECTION 

THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THAT, THEREFORE, THE MATTERS ADDRESSED BY THIS SECTION ARE, 

EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED HEREIN, MATTERS OF STATEWIDE CONCERN.

Notice the word alcohol in there. It's pretty early on. Read it :)

Patrick
Patrick

@mattleising The "title" says nothing of the sort. Our newest constitutional amendment is Arcticle XVIII, Section 16 "Personal use and regulation of marijuana". NOWHERE in the whole amendment is it called the "Regulate Marijuana like Alcohol Act" or anything of the sort. It didn't even say that on the ballot title, let alone the actual constitutional amendment. MORE LIES from the A64 campaign, still trying to pull the wool over people's eyes as to what the amendment is called and what it actually does.

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @mattleising Since when are we regulating marijuana EXACTLY like alcohol Charles? I believe it's like alcohol which is to say, in a similar fashion. You want to buy more? I'll sign your petition :)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mattleising ... so what Alcohol Regulation limits how many six packs or bottles of wine a consumer can purchase from a liquor store?


mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay As for the similarities, do a Google search and save yourself the humiliation...again

mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @mattleising Lmao Donkey the title of 64 is Regulate Marijuana LIKE Alcohol, I was simply stating that and why it's stated as such. Gotta work on those comprehension skills Charles :)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mattleising ...  you're the retard who said LIKE Alcohol

... so besides the arbitrary 21 yr old exclusion -- which excludes the largest demographic of those arrested for marijuana, leaving them subject to ALL criminal penalties -- what other parts and provisions of A64 are "LIKE" Alcohol regulations?


mattleising
mattleising topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Also, Charles just talk to me on FB. You commenting on here and praying I don't make you look foolish again because hopefully I won't see it is getting old. Be a man, only cowards hide behind some alias

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