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Nederland task force finds common ground between marijuana and backyard chickens

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The implementation of Amendment 64 continues to unfold throughout the state. Lafayette placed a temporary ban on retail and cultivation-based marijuana businesses, but Nederland is trying to do the exact opposite. Last week, the town's Board of Trustees met to begin discussions about regulating marijuana prior to the completion of the Amendment 64 Task Force's official recommendations. The outcome would make Nederland the first U.S. town to regulate pot since prohibition.

The board comprises seven members, including Mayor Joe Gierlach and Peter Fiori, liaison to the Nederland Sustainability Advisory Board. At the meeting, members decided to create a task force that would include seven members and up to three voting alternates. As of this writing, names of the task force members have yet to be released, but Fiori, who will chair the group, said he expects to make them public "in the next day or two."

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Joe Gierlach.
"We've got six members, and we're still looking for a seventh member, and we've got one, if not two, alternates, and I'm in the process of interviewing another," he says.

Once the task force is selected, subsequent meetings will be open to the public. The first task force session is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, March 12, at 7 p.m., but that could change, Fiori says. He expects it to be a basic meet-and-greet among task force members, as well as an informational session.

"We're going to have a town administrator come and refresh us on Sunshine laws, and aligning our goals and the four goals" -- building/planning, zoning, licensing and taxing -- "the mayor tasked us to do," he says, adding that the group will be adhering strictly to Amendment 64 guidelines.

Among the difficulties in the town's regulatory efforts are the various zoning laws around town, says Gierlach. He emphasizes the need for public comment surrounding those issues.

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Peter Fiori.
"We're looking for community input, especially for topics around zoning and building codes," he says. "We want to talk to our community members between now and July and have open meetings where we can bring residents in and we can have conversations."

He thinks the zoning questions will pivot on definitions, as did another issue recently faced by the town: backyard chickens.

"If you define it as a pet, certain parts of the code are out -- you can't kill your pets," Gierlach says. "But if you define them as livestock, other parts of the code are out."

Similarly, Nederland's pot regulations will depend on how officials designate marijuana: house plant or agriculture.

"Let's say, for example, that we don't allow agriculture in the central district zone in Nederland, but you can have house plants," he says. "It is similar to the backyard-hens ordinance -- and our hen ordinance affected three different chapters in our code. So we would assume that this industry would affect more than one area of the code."

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stuka1
stuka1

Hey, lets do a little Maths here: Chippi and Colibri would allow out of town visitors to buy 5 GRAMS of marijuana, but FORCE them to consume ALL of it before they could stagger out the door. How much pot are we talking about?  An EIGHTH of an ounce is 3.5 GRAMS. Another 1.5 grams, which brings us up to the allotted 5 grams, would make the amount that our out of town friends would have to consume IN ONE SITTING to just under ONE AND A HALF EIGHTHS -- Just shy of a QUARTER OUNCE.

So let's take the Stuka Challenge: In one sitting, Chippi and Colibri will smoke one and a half eighths of top shelf hooch EACH and immediately thereafter they will each drive from Nederland to Denver. 

At the conclusion of this challenge, we shall decide whether their proposal to force out-of-state visitors to consume ALL of what they buy on-premise at the cannabis shop is half-baked, hare-brained horseshit, or stark, raving lunacy.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi " have removed the consumption on site language and added language from the liquor code that restricts law enforcement from targeting people leaving these types of businesses."


But why the fuck did you put that idiotic bullshit in there in the first place? You have completely destroyed any credibility you might have had!



KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

A big difference in the pot cultivation and the chickens laws is that livestock was illegal in all residential zoning and it was illegal to kill pets BUT crop cultivation is legal in all residential zoning (Ned) and home occupations are legal also. 

Under CURRENT Ned Code having a home occupation of crop cultivation is currently permitted in zoning. (not retail and not manufacturing of product in residential--only the crop cultivation and home occupations can not be more than 50% of the living space) One could grow herbs or vegetables in all residential zoning in Ned right now as a home occupation and lawfully wholesale to retailers. 

 As far as the POT cultivation home occupation: it is legal to do but you have no legal way to wholesale it and you can't retail it.--A64 requires a pot cultivator be locally regulated/licensed. Everyone should consider: Do we change the current Ned Code that already allows pot cultivations as home occupations and why is that different from other crop cultivation? And where will the pot be grown in town limits instead of in the homes where they are right now? And shouldn't we be trying to include all the locals? In order for regulation to work, people need to have a reason to chose the regulated way over the black market way. 

 PS--peoples initiatives are not some underhanded way to pass law--just the opposite-they are the truest from of democracy and A64 was a peoples initiative at the state level and Ballot 1 (Michigan Mike and Vince Herman) was a peoples initiative at a local level. They are written and passed by the people. They are the legal option for the people. They are not even part of the town government writing and passing laws through the BoT.

Treesy
Treesy

Ms. Chippi is NOT a Nederland resident. I don't care what it says on her Drivers License, the truth is, she does not live in town and has no right to vote in town elections. The ownership of her business in town does not give her voting rights in town elections. Real locals resent this outsider intrusion.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 *** Vote NO on Colibri - Chippi! ***

Nederland needs Pot FREEDOM, not the Fist of Regulation !


CoreyDonahue
CoreyDonahue

"We're looking for community input."

What the fuck do you think a citizans initiative is moron? But you all squashed that.

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1 so you would waste your time with an anonymous name for weeks now freaking out about it in the blogs......I don't see any Colorado resident freaking out about that specific subject, especially when it was changed weeks ago...but your still ranting,.....So what state are you from that your panties are up your ass? 

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@Treesy And why ignore  Max Rashbaum, who is a proponent?  He was born in Ned and raised and still here.  Were you born in Ned, Treesy? 

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@Treesy --  so now I'm attempting to vote in Ned?  evidence of?  oh, your talking out your ass with an anonymous name.  If I wanted to vote in Ned I would just move into one of my rentals. 

"Real locals"? excellent. identify yourself and your address so we can all decide if your "real".  

So you must oppose Jessica Cheesecake sitting on the Ned task farce as she has NEVER had her living address or business in Ned?  And you must question why the hell the BoT would put her on the Ned task farce?

Do tell: do "real locals" support banning all residential grows that are currently legal like the Bot want?  Or the BoT 'creating' a 'local excise tax on pot on top of the 40% proposed by the state and regualar retail sales tax?  Is that 60% tax on pot is good with "real locals"?    

Is that why you use an anonymous name?   And do tell why I rarely see "real locals" show for a single town meeting?  Why I was the only written comment to the task farce?  Where was/has your "real local" input been, "real local"?  

And how many "real locals" realize they overrode Ballot 1 (also a peoples initiative written by Brian Vicente (Denver) and Shawn McAllester (Breck) and the local proponents were Michigan Mike and Vince Herman when they voted for A64 (also a peoples initiative written by Steve Fox (DC))  

And where are the "real locals" submitting language to protect themselves from the town government's planned over regulation?  


KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@CoreyDonahue Exactly!!!   But it's not squashed. no lawful way to stop it from getting a fair and accurate title.  The town is now wasting money on having the town attorney 'negotiating'? with the proponents attorney.  Any reason to blow more unnecessary town money.  Peoples initiatives shouldn't cost the town a penny.   And if it isn't resolved asap charges will be filed costing the town more. 

stuka1
stuka1

@CoreyDonahue That "citizen's initiative" would have thrown out-of-state visitors to the wolves of the Imprisonment/"treatment" Industrial Complex. And the set of Kathleen Chippi and Rico Colibri is hardly "The People of Nederland".

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi : "I don't see any Colorado resident freaking out about that specific subject"

Hard to see with your HEAD UP YOUR ASS.

 I live in fucking DENVER, moron. UnFUCKINGbelievable that you refuse to see the sort of damage that provision would have done. And unfuckingbelievable that you would add it in the first place. You have the gall to strawman and sneer at the Jackass about not striking the provision forbidding serving a visibly intoxicated person, yet you refuse to see that this is EXACTLY what you were trying to mandate in your hare-brained, half-baked, idiotic provision to force out-of-state visitors to smoke up to 5 grams on site in the cannabis shop before turning them loose on the streets. You DO see a Colorado resident freaking about it, and THIS Colorado resident, like many others, has friends who visit from out of state that I fucking care about and don't want to see caught in the TRAP your proposal would lay for them. It's fucking GREAT that you finally came half-ass to your senses -- after **I** reamed both your and Rico's asses for a couple of days over it -- and you finally struck that from your proposal, but it's disturbing as fuck that you would be so short-sighted and selfish as to include it in the first place. It's CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR that you didn't think this through, and that you still don't understand the ramifications and the consequences that preposterous bullshit would have caused. You should be THANKING me for catching your idiotic mistake, and yet you are so fucking blind to the damage it would do that you sneer at me, like some clueless moron standing on the tracks with a train coming, laughing at the people trying to save her sorry ass. All you are doing is demonstrating that you are a selfish imbecile who has no business whatsoever attempting to write anything into law. You are absolutely fucking clueless. And you STILL haven't answered my fucking question, which I will rephrase: WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING??

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@KathleenChippi ... wasn't it your heckling that helped open up the Town meetings on this?

Have you RENOUNCED -- unequivocally -- that worthless prohibitionist turd that Rico is attempting to smear all over the good folks of Ned?


KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1 and the town government and their special local pot excise tax dreams and keeping all the home growers illegal is representing Ned?  


Whats your real name and does your drivers license say Nederland and for how long?

CoreyDonahue
CoreyDonahue

@Matt_in_Boulder @CoreyDonahue Matt what Colorado citizen wrote A64? None. as it was written by Steve Fox of a MPP a coporate DC lobbing firm.  So no, I spend every waking hour fighting a coporate and governmental initiative which leaves citizens unprotected and allows for more crimes assoicated with cannabis.  What do you do aside from, and thank you for letting me quote Bill Hicks, act as one of the suckers of satans cock at the ecoporate gang bang?

stuka1
stuka1


@KathleenChippi And whover this "James is, you can shove him up your ass, along with your abortion of a NOT-the-People's initiative.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi  I'm thinking that your arrogant, ignorant and cavalier response betrays your utter indifference to the People your proposal should be designed to protect. And your abject incompetence in crafting legislation.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi @DonkeyHotay 

So let's take the Stuka Challenge: In one sitting, Chippi and Colibri will smoke one and a half eighths of FuckMePumpedUpTheAssKush EACH and immediately thereafter they will each drive from Nederland to Denver. At the conclusion of this challenge, we shall decide whether their proposal is half-baked, hare-brained horseshit, or stark, raving lunacy

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi @DonkeyHotay And by the way, lets do a little Maths here: Chippi and Colibri would allow out of town visitors to buy 5 GRAMS of marijuana, but FORCE them to consume ALL of it before they could stagger out the door. How much pot are we talking about?  An EIGHTH of an ouunce is 3.5 GRAMS. Another 1.5 grams, which brings us up to the allotted 5 grams, would make the amount that our out of town friends would have to consume in one sitting to just under ONE AND A HALF EIGHTHS. (Please check my work here). 


stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi @DonkeyHotay 

"Please quote the language you want changed? or find to repressive -- and if it's "it shall be unlawful to serve a visibly intoxicated person" sorry but we have too many drinkers in town that should not be served if you as a business don;t want to be sued if they crash."


And yet that is EXACTLY what you would do to out of state visitors: pump them up with the up to  5grams you would allow them before they would be allowed to leave the herb shop, turning them loose on the streets fucked up out of their minds.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi @DonkeyHotay "We can't rewrite A64. If we could we would have i70 language"


..so you :want

blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/04/marijuana_legalization_initiative_70_regulate_tobacco.php?page=2

"Retail sales would be taxed and 25 percent of taxes generated would go to a "safer communities fund," with 10 percent earmarked for public K-12 schools, 10 percent directed to state health care and 5 percent split between state drug and prison rehab programs. Voters can also approve an excise tax on cannabis up to 21 percent of the listed price, though such taxes wouldn't apply to industrial hemp or seeds.


It's not a bill for the no-taxes, no-regulation crowd of "hippies," Colibri says. "I'm pro regulation. If you aren't talking regulation, you should be excused from the room.""

Yeahhhhhhh..



stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay You wouldn't know an honest fact if it bent you over and fucked you up the ass. Too bad about your severe reading comprehension problem.

And you haven't spanked ANYONE here, idiot.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 

Clue -- when you post honest facts, those get thumbs up.

When you post contemptible bullshit and legal imbecilities, as in the other thread, you get SPANKED, repeatedly.

hth.


stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay And by the way I love how you jump up and down and yap at me like the fucking chihuahua you are, all the while "Liking" most of my posts here. What a twat you are.

stuka1
stuka1

@DonkeyHotay @stuka1 AS YOU KNOW, I was not in favor of that provision of A64, and I will work to have it changed just as soon as YOU turn 21. Heh.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stuka1 @KathleenChippi 

They fit in the wolves mouths about the same as EVERYONE under 21 yrs old that YOU and the A64 scumbags sacrificed just so you could obtain 1 (one) pathetic ounce for yourself.


stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi  "Rico's quest is for a fair playing field for everyone. And he can speak to that publicly better than most."

Where do the out of town visitors you threw to the wolves fit in that "everyone"?

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi "Tomatoe's cultivated for sale require a license with ones. name, SS#, phone etc."


Do we restrict out of state visitors to purchasing 5 grams of tomatoes, and force them to SMOKE that 5 grams of tomatoes before they leave the supermarket?

stuka1
stuka1


@KathleenChippi AND you apparently (because you failed to tout it) left in the bit restricting out of town visitors to 5 grams, something the Guv's task farce shit canned in the end! WTF???

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi " have removed the consumption on site language and added language from the liquor code that restricts law enforcement from targeting people leaving these types of businesses."


But why the fuck did you put that idiotic bullshit in there in the first place? You have completely destroyed any credibility you might have had!


KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

"YOU can do better -- don't sink your own legacy on Rico's vainglorious quest for fame."   

Please... now your believing Jessica Cheesecake rants on how Rico is a media whore?  Should he have turned down the CBS interview about the initiative he co-authored and is a proponent of?  JHC.  

I can say this--I have now worked with Rico pretty much every day for the last 3 years, with many 5-14 hour days and all for no pay.  He is the only person I know who would work for no financial gain as hard and long as I do.  I have allot of respect for Rico.

Rico's quest is for a fair playing field for everyone.  And he can speak to that publicly better than most. 

Why not ask Cheesecake if her 'appointment' to the Ned Task Farce is for fame?  She has never lived in Ned nor raised a single penny of retail sales tax in Ned.  

Peter is her friend and Peter was at the last pot meeting arguing that he wanted private meetings and had no time for public comment and he wanted no minutes of the meetings.  The Jessa I thought I knew, wouldn't approve--but when she's the one getting included in the town conversation, is it all of a sudden okay?  

How would Jessica have responded if language she had filed was illegally 'delayed' for 6 weeks by the government, makes her miss the April ballot with the delay all while the town government creates a task farce to try to pass repressive language first?   

She told me 'maybe you would have qualified for the Ned task farce if you had physically attended all the Governors task farce meeting like me.'  LOL.  Miss 'the DoR is violating the Sunshine laws' and Miss 'they are violating our rights'.  Some activist--as she jumps right into the mix in a town she has never lived in. 

Funny enough, town fucking around and kicking us to the Nov ballot instead of April means it will replace any BoT language created by the A64 Oct 1 deadline with a vote from the people.  How many people in Ned want residential grows banned and special local excise taxes?  The town attorney advised them to make more restrictive language than the state on advertising, time, etc.  she's even got them looking at DUI locally....????  is that what Ned people really want? 

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Donkey--the time, manner and place in the initiative language is just like any other business.  Equal treatment, not special good or special bad.  Tomatoe's cultivated for sale require a license with ones. name, SS#, phone etc.  I'm not understanding what you think is extra?  or not something already happening with other businesses in Ned?  

There are no additional taxes, rules or restrictions.  Seriously--please tell me what language you think is extra?  And 'manner' includes many things including the Colorado Clean Air Act.

We did define things that weren't required in A64--but to protect people--like to make clones and cuttings not plants since the federal law already does that and MMJ fucked that.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@KathleenChippi"A64 only authorizes local regulating of time, place and manner of business."


Retail:

Time = Anytime that any other retail is allowed, without any additional restrictions.

Place = Anyplace that any other retail is allowed, without any additional restrictions.

Manner = In any manner that any other retail is allowed, without any additional restrictions.


Commercial Production:

Time = Anytime any other agricultural growing is allowed, without any additional restrictions.

Place = Anyplace any agricultural growing is allowed, without any additional restrictions.

Manner = ... you get the picture.


Private Grows:

NO additional REGULATIONS beyond what A64 states. Not One!


There is nothing in A64 that mandates Local Governments regulate Marijuana LIKE Alcohol, or impose any ADDITIONAL regulations other than what A64 contains at a minimum -- 21 yrs old, 1 ounce, 3/6 plants. 

Flush that "like alcohol" SCAMPAIGN PROPAGANDA from your brain.

Cities can Regulate Marijuana LIKE Tobacco if they desire ... or like ... wait for it ... here it comes .... just a little bit longer .... LIKE FUCKING TOMATOES  ... only the bare MINIMUM restrictions of A64 need be maintained.

Any additional REGULATIONS, RESTRICTIONS, RULES, TAXES and FEES are just anti-marijuana PROHIBITIONIST BULLSHIT!

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Donkey--A64 only authorizes local regulating of time, place and manner of business.  We can't rewrite A64.  If we could we would have i70 language. 

Please quote the language you want changed?  or find to repressive -- and if it's "it shall be unlawful to serve a visibly intoxicated person"  sorry but we have too many drinkers in town that should not be served if you as a business don;t want to be sued if they crash. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@KathleenChippi 

Rico's wanna-be legislator prohibitionist initiative still has way too many RESTRICTIONS, REGULATIONS, RULES and RETARDATION in it.

Think LESS REGULATION, MORE FREEDOM.

Now throw out that bastard turdlet of A64 and write an initiative the grants the MAXIMUM Freedom for ALL marijuana users and growers, with the MINIMUM Regulation and MINIMUM government control, and NO FUCKING NEW TAXES.

YOU can do better -- don't sink your own legacy on Rico's vainglorious quest for fame.



KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @KathleenChippi No, you heard a BoT rumor.  LOL! with you trusting the government so.  My outburst came after the town government delayed the initiative for 4 weeks and it was 20 minutes after a meeting they refused to give public comment at..

The mere filing of the peoples initiative that irked the town government enough to have now delayed putting a fair and accurate short title on the initiative for 6 weeks now- and of now putting time and money into their own language.  They are planning their own local excise tax and banning crop cultivation as home occupations--something that is currently legal now in Ned.  It's the town gov who will smear the voters, not the initiative.

And no, Donkey, I have not renounced it and I am a co-author, not a proponent.  We have removed the consumption on site language and added language from the liquor code that restricts law enforcement from targeting people leaving these types of businesses.  

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi

" you want pot sales with no retail sales tax? blah  blah blah..."



Did I say that? Fuck, but you are a strawdogging idiot.

But here you sit pointing your finger at the BoT, and YOU would tax it 21%%  yourself. Pot. Fucking Kettle

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1 @KathleenChippi  So you want pot sales with no retail sales tax?  You understand even tomatoes that are sold require retail sales tax? 

I don't live in that unrealistic world.  All herbs sold in Colorado have retail sales tax.   Equal treatment is what i70 was about.

And we even direct the retail sales tax to schools, health care and getting felons some chance of getting a job in their future.  Are you against that too?    

keep trying, stuka0

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi "and the town government and their special local pot excise tax dreams..."


blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/04/marijuana_legalization_initiative_70_regulate_tobacco.php?page=2

"Retail sales would be taxed and 25 percent of taxes generated would go to a "safer communities fund," with 10 percent earmarked for public K-12 schools, 10 percent directed to state health care and 5 percent split between state drug and prison rehab programs. Voters can also approve an excise tax on cannabis up to 21 percent of the listed price, though such taxes wouldn't apply to industrial hemp or seeds.


It's (Initiative 70)  not a bill for the no-taxes, no-regulation crowd of "hippies," Colibri says. "I'm pro regulation. If you aren't talking regulation, you should be excused from the room.""


Yeahhhh...

stuka1
stuka1


@KathleenChippi And actually you are STILL throwing them under the bus if you kept the 5 gram limit, as even the Task Farce ultimately shitcanned that abortion.

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi 64 sucks in many ways, yes. I don't see your crystal ball that tells you the future, you are pulling your prediction right out of your ass.

I get what you said to ME, and your comment was irrelevant to what *I* said. *I* wasn't talking about businesses and your interjecting it into what *I* said was just a sad attempt at a dodge. FAIL, idiot.

Now when are you going to answer why the fuck you and Colibri tried to throw out-of-state visitors under the bus, destroying any credibility you might have ever hoped to have had?

KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

@stuka1 @KathleenChippi  LOL! A64 sucks and most of it will lose in court.  

"You think they can make home grows illegal? A64 says you can grow at home."  

LOL--you don't even get what's being said in this conversation.  The initiative is for businesses--not personal. 

stuka1
stuka1

@KathleenChippi My real name is none of your fucking business. 

I don't live in Nederland. You assholes are touting your idiotic "initiative" (which the two of YOU AND RICO are NOT "The People of Nederland") as a model for every municipality, and that makes it MY fucking business.

You think they can make home grows illegal? A64 says you can grow at home.

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