DU should give George W. Bush the Denver Boone Award, not the humanitarian award

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No matter how sensitive the University of Denver is these days, it keeps getting spanked. First, the school got bashed by boosters of Denver Boone, the onetime Pioneer mascot. Then some loyalists griped about a commission to investigate the role of John Evans, the territorial governor who founded the school, in the Sand Creek Massacre. And now DU is taking hits for attempting to honor former President George W. Bush with an award for "Improving the Human Condition."

The former president is scheduled to give the keynote on September 9 at the sixteenth annual Korbel Dinner, a fundraiser for the Josef Korbel School of International Studies at DU. The award has been given to Condoleezza Rice and Madeleine Albright, among others, and some students did not think that Bush deserved the same honor.

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Christine Hart.
"We do not believe that George W. Bush reflects the values, character, and leadership of an appropriate 'Improving the Human Condition' awardee," wrote 2012 Korbel grad Christine Hart in the online petition she started last month to protest the award. Within ten days, she'd collected more than a thousand signatures. The petition reads:
To: Christopher Hill, Dean, Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver
Robert Coombe, Chancellor, University of Denver

As students, alumni, faculty, and supporters of the Josef Korbel School and the University of Denver, we urge you to choose an alternative recipient of the 2013 "Improving the Human Condition Award" who better represents a humanitarian spirit, a commitment to human rights and human dignity, and whose contributions and leadership have truly resulted in positive change.

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The photo of George W. Bush that accompanies the petition.
We do not believe that George W. Bush reflects the values, character, and leadership of an appropriate "Improving the Human Condition" awardee. Moreover, we do not feel that he represents the values promoted by the Josef Korbel School of International Studies and the University of Denver or embodied by its students, faculty, and alumni.

We fail to see how this choice does justice to the talents, aspirations, and values of the students, faculty, and alumni of the Josef Korbel School and the University of Denver. As President, George W. Bush's choices resulted in greater instability and economic hardship worldwide, while even his laudable achievements, like the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) were sullied by the promotion of an agenda that hampered prevention and treatment efforts. This is evidenced in the recent Supreme Court decision that ruled certain requirements of the PEPFAR program unconstitutional.

Further, as President of the United States, George W. Bush left behind a legacy of human rights abuses, including the torture of detainees in extra-territorial jails, preemptive war, domestic surveillance programs, and other egregious actions that deleteriously impact the human condition.

Sincerely,

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Rob Prince.
Korbel lecturer Rob Prince urged people to sign the petition in a blog on the subject:
From what I can glean, this decision to honor George Bush -- cynical in its extreme but logical from the point of view of locating future funding sources -- included neither faculty, nor student input and was largely agreed to at a higher level.

I would note, that it is one thing to offer Bush a platform to speak, hard as it is for him to give a talk using complete sentences, and a horse of different color to honor him with a humanitarian award from what is, in this part of the country, a prestigious institution.

Other faculty members were drafting their own statement on the award last week. "Bush is an unrepentant war criminal who violated the convention against torture," says Alan Gilbert, a Korbel professor and John Evans scholar. "This was a terrible mistake but I hope, with many others that the award will be cancelled."

And by week's end, it had been -- sort of. President Bush will still give the keynote at the dinner and will be presented with an award, but it will have a different name. The administration is still deciding what that name will be.

Given the current controversy, why not the Denver Boone Award?

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Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

George Bush should be in Guantanamo Bay for the remainder of his pathetic life !!!

exton13
exton13

The comment here indicated that DU students and faculty have to be some of the most brain dead Marxist robots around. I bet NO ONE Student or Professor read Bushes speech to the American people and to the UN on why we invaded Iraq. How about researching history and how the Bush economy was doing great, until his last two years, when Nancy Pelosi and the Democraps took over. What hypocrites, and Dem Pres can be caught with his pants down and convicted of lying in court and getting other to lid, and he is considered a hero to the Left. Yet a President Bush that stood for HUMAN rights against a dictator is lied about and ridiculed.  I bet NOT ONE STUDENT OR PROFESSOR know anymore about Liberty and Tyranny than the do about fornicating, The comments and hatred is just obscene and based on propaganda. An education in a Liberal University like DU is worthless because the school only exists in a reality of its own that has no connection to the real world.

John708
John708

They should protest it. And then protest Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, if we are being fair and nonpartisan about this whole thing...

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

The response to Christine Hart should have been "Who cares what you think you stupid bitch."

There always was and always will be positives as well as negatives attributable to every president we have ever had.  

I believe Bush and Obama are pretty good guys who tried, is trying to do what they believe is best for the country and mankind.  Neither very good presidents.  History will show that Obama did more harm to the country than any previous president.  We may never recover from his presidency.    

exton13
exton13

@Juan_Leg - comments are easy, but under what US Law did Bush break to be considered for this treatment?

djbarton1
djbarton1

@exton13 The Joseph Korbel School of International Relations is ranked as one of the top schools of its type in the nation, so I suspect that they do know about the things you mention. Alumni include Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Gen. George Casey, and Christopher Hill, current dean and former ambassador to Iraq, Korea, Poland, and Macedonia. How far does your connection to the real world extend - all the way to the cable box? AM radio? It sounds like some people have strong cases education envy, and I suspect that you are one of them. Anyway, no one's nominating Obama or Clinton for an award, we're talking about W here, so try to pay attention. Besides, members of the faculty and administration nominated him, so that contradicts your line of logic that everyone's in on the conspiracy. Pray, tell: Where do you get your information? If you don't trust higher education- and from a liberal university, no less, I'd love to know who has helped you form an "understanding" of liberty, tyranny, and history.

aeckert1
aeckert1

@John708 Why do people always bring Obama into this?  As far as I know, DU is not considering Obama for this award, and Bush and Obama are not the only two choices....

ChristineHart
ChristineHart

@fishingblues Charm school was apparently a massive success in your case - bravo!

Here's the thing, sweetheart. You don't have to like or agree with the response of Korbel students, alumni, and faculty. You can call us names 'til you're blue in the face (please do). But you don't get to hypocritically engage in the criticism of one president (discussion of whom is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand) while calling me a "stupid bitch" (can I get a plaque with that engraved?) for doing the exact. same. thing. In doing so, you come across as legitimately "stupid," to recycle your wildly creative adjective. 

"History will show that Obama did more harm to the country that any previous president." History DOES SHOW that Bush did more harm to the country than any previous president - foreign policy, the economy, you name it - did you sleep through the aughts? Further, very few folks who've spoken out would be enthusiastic about an Obama award (drones, anyone?). We're talking about MA and PhD students, not Average Joe who watches mediocre punditry and espouses baseless, ill-reasoned arguments (that hit too close to home?).

Finally, "stupid" connotes ignorance and a lack of education. I possess neither of those qualities--I do possess an advanced degree and a job in the highly competitive sector that said degree prepared me for, doing to the type of work that requires me to be genuinely knowledgable of U.S. foreign policies and the impacts thereof. Suffice it so say, my profession and those really expensive graduate classes on human rights law and torture mean that I am capable of rendering an opinion that is not, in fact, "stupid."

You, it appears, aren't capable of rendering a coherent argument, let alone a respectful one. But hey, thanks for playing, and better luck next time!

Oh, and Patricia, "Denver Boone Award" - brilliant!

YourMom
YourMom

@fishingblues So, perpetrators of crimes against humanity are "good guys" but your standard of behavior is to call a total stranger a "stupid bitch?" Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Clearly, a lot of people care - students, alumni, and faculty of the Korbel School, and other folks who see the profound hypocrisy in "honoring" a man whose leadership wrought untold devastation and death with a humanitarian award...in the interest of ideologically-motivated funding. You seem pretty skilled in the art of cognitive dissonance...

A suggestion - get a hobby or, at the very least, take your snark elsewhere. Ass.

exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotay @exton13  The Nation, you actually used The Nation?  Pravda is more truthful. It took about 5 years to get to the 4,000 number. This number was used because that was the death count on 9 11. And like ghouls the liberal press gave us the number each weak. How come, no one gives us the number now that obama is in? Also, let us compare it with the death rate of Americans caused by illegal aliens. If you do the math the 4,000 war dead averages about 2 deaths a day. Everyday illegal aliens kill about 30 people EACH day, about half through outright murder, and half through drunken driving. It is cultural to drive drunk in south of the border countries. So should obama be up for charges for allowing this massacre of Americans by and invading army?

ChristineHart
ChristineHart

@djbarton1 "Besides, members of the faculty and administration nominated him..." Not true. He was chosen by a small group within the JKSIS administration, not by faculty, let alone students and alumni. It was a choice made, in large part, to attract and appease donors of a particular political persuasion.

Your other points are appreciated!

exton13
exton13

@djbarton1- The proof they say is in the pudding. From the hateful comments here attacking GW Bush as a war criminal, is nothing but vacant hate speech. GW Bush was the first President with the courage to take the terrorist war to the terrorists. The USA had been attacked approximately 36 times over the years by Muslim Terrorist, no other President fought back. It was because of Clinton's mishandling of Mogadishu that told Bin Laden that the USA was a paper Tiger. The reality is there are dangers in the world, and as Reagan said "Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong." It seems like the policies of JKS is to teach that we solve the words problems by sitting  around and singing  kumbaya.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

@djbarton1Christopher Hill has implicated the Joseph Korbel School of International Relations in support for American fascism.  Many so-called "liberals" in America today represent the soul of reaction.  If the chief value of DU is hypocrisy and the language spoken on campus is Newspeak, go right ahead and invite the criminal incompetent Bush to speak there and give him an award for "Improving the Human Condition".

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@aeckert1 @John708 Obama is brought in to this because he is the current POTUS and an abysmal failure to which all other presidents can be measured for ineptitude.  Thanks for asking.   

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@ChristineHart You are certainly full of yourself, aren't you?  I have enough education to have achieved a very successful and lucrative career.  I retired very early and have plenty to take care of myself, my offspring and their offspring without any government assistance.  That is something you will never achieve, twit.

As to "stupid", you are right and wrong.  Stupid does NOT "...connote ignorance and a lack of education."  Stupid means obtuse and ignorant means lack of education.  I should have originally called you an ignorant bitch since you haven't a clue what is going on in the world.  You have subsequently proven yourself a stupid bitch as well.   

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@YourMom Additionally, the hypocritical, self-righteous, smug, ignorant and bigoted professors should be fired.  I certainly wouldn't take a class from these nimrod communists.  

College students are so naive and idealistic.  By the way, I have a hobby.  Calling snotty-assed know-it-all punk kids stupid bitches if their mouth overruns their limited brain.  Much like yours just did, stupid bitch.  Oh, and my mom is dead.  

exton13
exton13

Kozan, very insightful comment. How many debate classes did you have to take to come up with that zinger? DU must be proud of your debating skills.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@exton13

INDICTMENT of George Bush, et. al. for WAR CRIMES

This Criminal Indictment Charges George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Colin Powell, Donald H. Rumsfeld, John D. Ashcroft, Tommy Franks, and his successors as Commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq, George J. Tenet, L. Paul Bremer, III, John Negroponte and others to be named with Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and other criminal acts in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, International Law, the Constitution of the United States and Laws Made in Pursuance Thereof.

The Crimes Charged are:

1. Waging a War of Aggression against the sovereignty of Iraq and the rights of its people, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries among the people of Iraq, most civilians, from military violence and thousands of U.S. G.I’s. War of aggression is defined as “the Supreme international crime” in the Nuremberg Judgment.

2. Authorizing, encouraging and condoning the use of excessive force, in terrorem, tactics called “Shock and Awe”, targeting defenseless civilians and, civilians facilities and indiscriminate bombing and assaults.

3. Authorizing and ordering the use of illegal weapons including super bombs, cluster bombs, depleted uranium enhanced bombs, missiles, shells and bullets and threatening the use of nuclear weapons.

4. Authorizing, ordering, concealing and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murders, disappearances, kidnappings and torture. 

5. Authorizing, financing, utilizing and condoning illegal violence, use of force and torture by highly paid paramilitary civilian forces operating anonymously and not accountable to U.S. supervisors for their acts, who kill, coerce, control and contain the Iraqi population.

6. Authorizing, ordering and condoning the systematic destruction of economic, social, cultural, medical, educational, governmental and diplomatic resources, properties and facilities throughout Iraq.

7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning acts designed to divide the Iraqi population to cause internal conflict and violence among major segments of the society, ethnic, religious, political and economic, in order to weaken and exhaust the population and bring all segments under the control of a new surrogate government submissive to U.S. command. .

8. Authorizing, imposing and maintaining a violent, criminal military occupation over Iraq which kills defenseless Iraqi’s daily and fans the flames of anti-U.S. anger worldwide.

9. Defying and incapacitating the peace making capacity and role of the United Nations by unilateral actions to undermine its potential effectiveness while continuing to coerce and use the U.N. to pursue U.S. policies in Iraq and elsewhere, and coercing and enticing other nations to support U.S. policies and actions in violation of international law in the U.N. Security Council and against Iraq and other nations.

10. Engaging in systematic acts to undermine and destroy international laws and treaties designed to prevent and control war, weapons of mass and indiscriminate destruction; limit participants in military service; protect the environment; prevent the economic exploitation of poor nations; and engaging systematic acts to obstruct justice by the evisceration of the International Criminal Court and manipulation or defiance of other international judicial and regulatory bodies that might seek to hold the U.S. accountable to international law and the will of the majority of the people of the international community. 

11. Manifesting their continuing commitment to world domination by ordering, directing and condoning violent regime change in Haiti in March 2004 to replace the independent, elected democratic President Jean Bertrand Aristide with a U.S. selected and controlled neo Duvalierist surrogate causing growing violence, hundreds of deaths and further impoverishment of the Haitian people.

12. Threatening the sovereignty and independence of nations, and acting to change regimes that refuse to yield to U.S. demands for economic subservience and political control for U.S. corporate and government interests, including most prominently Cuba, Iran, a divided Korea, the Philippines, Syria, Sudan and Venezuela; and supporting Israel’s illegal occupation, brutalization and expanding settlement of Palestine in defiance of the United Nations, international law and world opinion; all of which adds to international anger and violence against the United States and its citizens.

 13. Destroying the sovereignty, right to self determination, cultural integrity and control of its own resources of Iraq and its peoples by imposing an interim government headed by a long time C.I.A. asset who directed violence against Iraqi civilians for the U.S. in the 1990's; and manipulating procedures for the imposition of a new Constitution drafted by and installation of a new government chosen through controlled electoral processes and subservient to the will and command of the U.S. government.

14. Usurping the war powers delegated in the constitution to the Congress to pursue wars of aggression and other unlawful military actions; and attempting to pack the federal courts with judges committed to ideologies in conflict with the Constitution of the United States to achieve judicial decisions supporting those ideologies. 15. Systematically weakening fundamental human rights globally and the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution within the U.S. enabling U.S. forces to unlawfully seize individuals in 100 countries, including U.S. citizens and arrest thousands of aliens in the U.S. and hold them, transport them, torture many, deny all access to courts to determine the legality of such seizures, arrest and treatment.

16. Making Guantanamo [U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay] a symbol of U.S. power to imprison and abuse persons on the soil of a foreign sovereign nation, Cuba, against its will and to publicize U.S. contempt for human rights by displaying its power to arbitrarily seize, confine and abuse persons without revealing who they are, any charges against them, or what their future may be, placing U.S. power above all laws, international and national, and beyond the reach of all courts, including those of the U.S.

17. Giving economic preferences to favored corporations and business interests to extract enormous profits in both war and peace sectors of the economy from impoverished Iraq and U.S. taxpayers. 

18. Systematically utilizing, controlling, directing, manipulating, misinforming and restricting press and media coverage and deliberately presenting false and misleading reports to obtain support for U.S. military and political and actions; and to deprive the American people of knowledge essential to develop an informed opinion , which is essential to democratic processes and elections.

19. All for the purpose of dominating, controlling, and exploiting Iraq and other non compliant nations by military force and economic coercion. In addition to full accountability for the foregoing crimes and full reparation to victims, the offenses constitute “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States requiring the removal from office of all the participating civil Officers of the United States upon impeachment for and conviction for their acts.

Dated: August 5, 2004

exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotays Give me a break, this is a Leftest legal advocacy organization Not a real court or government institution. Anyone can form any group and say any thing they want, but it does not make it true. Your example is rejected and proves nothing. But then only the stupid kids in college that never do their own research would fall for such garbage.   Hey Wiz Kid, ever see the videos of the REAL torture that Saddam Hussein did? He had people pushed off of roof with their hands tied, broke arms and legs. Committing real painful injuries to people. Just about none of the stuff listed in you link was what was reported. This is an example of what I meant when I said the DU students live in a intellectual ghetto and not the real world. Get off your duff and to some real research and stop listening to stupid Marxist professors who are more interested in pleasing themselves as opposed to teaching you to think. 


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@exton13

More Iraqi Civilians Killed by US Forces Than By Insurgents, Data Shows

September 25, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis - most of them civilians - as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry and obtained exclusively by Knight Ridder.

According to the ministry, the interim Iraqi government recorded 3,487 Iraqi deaths in 15 of the country's 18 provinces from April 5 - when the ministry began compiling the data - until Sept. 19. Of those, 328 were women and children. Another 13,720 Iraqis were injured, the ministry said.

While most of the dead are believed to be civilians, the data include an unknown number of police and Iraqi national guardsmen. Many Iraqi deaths, especially of insurgents, are never reported, so the actual number of Iraqis killed in fighting could be significantly higher.

Iraqi officials said the statistics proved that U.S. airstrikes intended for insurgents also were killing large numbers of innocent civilians. 

exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotay @exton13
- Look at my other posts I have it explained why it is garbage. You obviously have never taken a statistics class, and do not know how to interpret results and so called analyses.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@exton13

BAGHDAD — A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here.

The figure breaks down to about 15,000 violent deaths a month, a number that is quadruple the one for July given by Iraqi government hospitals and the morgue in Baghdad and published last month in a United Nations report in Iraq. That month was the highest for Iraqi civilian deaths since the American invasion.

It is the second study by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. It uses samples of casualties from Iraqi households to extrapolate an overall figure of 601,027 Iraqis dead from violence between March 2003 and July 2006.

djbarton1
djbarton1

@ChristineHart @djbarton1 Thanks for the correction- I assumed that there had to be some other people on board. I'm relieved to know that faculty, students, and alum had nothing to do with it, but disturbed by the actions of the cabal......

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

@exton13  I believe that you meant "vacuous", not "vacant", but your assertion is nonsense.  Anyone who believes that GW Bush discharged the duties expected of the President is anti-American.

exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotay @exton13 @djbarton1 Sorry not a  legitimate source. Just more agenda driven propaganda. You really need to study propaganda and how to recognize it. Like I said before I am not impressed with students coming out of universities like DU. They have a lot of self worth, but no common sense, nor have they been taught to use their brains. They have been taught what to think, not how to think.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@exton13 @DonkeyHotay @djbarton1

Iraqis say brutality of US regime worse than Saddam Hussein
*** The people in Iraq say the US regime is worse than Saddam Hussein ever was. Describing the horrors of torture inflicted with glee by American personnel, an Iraqi who was tortured by the deposed regime said "Saddam didn't do this to us." In past two years The US and UK have killed more Iraqi civilians, mainly women and children., than died during 26 years of bloody war and insurgency under Saddam Hussein. American and British politicians can claim whatever they like, but the facts and figures speak for themselves, and the only verdict that matters is the opinion of the Iraqi people. ***

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0786

exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotay@exton13@djbarton1 

As I mentioned earlier the Lancet's methodology was highly flawed.  They used the same techniques they use when estimating the spread of illness. To do this correctly you need random samplings. HOWEVER, the Lancet people followed the troops and counted the dead because they were too lazy to go to parts of the country were there was no war. 

Do you see the difference between understanding and just posting propaganda? I have studied this and can tell you why they are wrong. You just post some left wing story and except someone to trust it without verification. I suggest you read  Karl Popper "Science as Falsification. "You can find it on the web and it is an excerpt from his book. Conjectures and Refutations, but I do not think you have the patience to read the whole book.


exton13
exton13

@DonkeyHotay@exton13@djbarton1 

Boy you guys are brain dead. Once you find a cockroach in the salad, you don't look for more bugs. This quotes the propaganda of  "1,000,000 Iraqis killed." It took 10 years of fighting in Vietnam to kill that many. If you had done your research that number comes from a Left wing group ORB and is not based in reality and  nothing statistical, The Lancet came up with a number of 600k due to a bad statistical assumption in that they only counted dead in war zones and extrapolated it for the whole country. This gave a number higher than random sampling for it did not include any areas not involved in a battled situation. ACTUAL counts  brought the number to around 100K, of which about 30k were may bed killed during the invasion.

So students taught by teachers that never had a job in the real word, but have lived in a socialist environment, give you other liberal websites and facts, also not based in reality, and you think that is proof? No it is not.

djbarton1
djbarton1

@fishingbluesWow, an antagonist and an asshole. Truly the definition of a troll, just trying to reduce the conversation to ad hominem attacks. I'm proud of what I've achieved, and regardless of whether your dubious claims of education and wealth are true or not, the tone in your posts suggests that you're actually a petulant teenager with a limited worldview. Now go bother someone else, idiot. 

djbarton1
djbarton1

@RobertChase @djbarton1 I hope you realize that in no way am I condoning the actions or mentality of Christopher Hill, merely pointing out that 1) the commenter shouldn't be so quick to paint the school with a broad paintbrush. Apparently there are some people at the school that actually represent his ridiculous opinion, by virtue of the fact that GWB is even invited to attend an event. And 2) a prestigious school within such a well-regarded institution probably has at least some students and faculty that are familiar with social movements, knowledgeable about history, and understand the concepts of tyranny and liberty. 

Personally, as a DU alum I'm embarrassed that GWB is even visiting campus, let alone in consideration of any award regarding the human condition. The hypocrisy of such an action belongs in the headlines of The Onion, not at the school I attended.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@exton13    Yes, I've noticed.  The problem with snot-nosed college students like Miz Hart is they have just had their empty little heads filled with a bunch of liberal jibberish by communist professors and they think they are educated.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @fishingblues I was wondering why I hadn't heard from the half-ass.  I thought you might have tripped on your tail and fell on your soft head again.   

exton13
exton13

@fishingblues@aeckert1@John708 Have you noticed when the pompous Marxist Liberals cannot refute your comments with an intelligent or even coherent argument they resort to name calling and insulting the messenger?  How does printing "teabagging derp derp" bring anything to the discussion, other than to prove that the respondent is not very bright and not used to dealing with adults in the real world. Do they teach that in DU as a debating technique?

aeckert1
aeckert1

@fishingblues @aeckert1 @John708 Unless you're "that" person who thinks Obama is ALWAYS relevant and creates the tornados that hit tornado alley, he's got no real connection here.

aeckert1
aeckert1

There's a reason why Bush had a 25% approval rating when he left office.  The poorly prosecutied, unnecessary war in Iraq is just part of that story.

BackOffImStarving
BackOffImStarving topcommenter

@fishingblues @ChristineHart  Ah, name-calling.  The last resort of someone who just got punked by Christine Hart.  Stupid: given to unintelligent decisions or acts.  Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness.  Regurgitating every repetitive talking point made by paranoid Teabaggers and/or Libertarians does not lift you above either label, fishingblues.

By the way, for your edification (go ahead and look up that word):

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/07/02/survey-ranks-obama-15th-best-president-bush-among-worst

Not that I completely agree with Obama's relatively positive ranking, but you'd need some very persuasive arguments to convince anyone that Bush doesn't belong among the five worst presidents.

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