Dylan Redwine investigation: Justice for DYLAN page doesn't want Facebook fight

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Update: As the search continues for the person or persons responsible for the death of Dylan Redwine, a thirteen year old missing since November whose remains were found in southwestern Colorado last week (see our previous coverage below), the boy's friends and loved ones continue to communicate via Facebook pages devoted to justice. But which of these pages is most legitimate? The administrator of the one affiliated with Dylan's mom rejects the suggestion of a Facebook rivalry even as she remains convinced that the person behind the first Justice page to launch isn't who she says she is.

As we've reported, the Justice for Dylan Redwine page went live shortly after the La Plata County Sheriff's Office revealed that bones found during a search of the Middle Mountain Road near Vallecito Lake had been positively identified as Dylan, who'd been in the area visiting his father, Mark Redwine, for the Thanksgiving 2012 holiday.

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The Justice for DYLAN Redwine page features many photos of candles burning in the teen's memory.
Said to be participating in the project was Dylan's aunt, Lia Paredes Howard, but she subsequently repudiated the effort due to suspicion that the page's creator, who identified herself to Westword as out-of-state resident Becca Thompson, was actually Kimberly Kay Bowman of the Colorado Missing Children Foundation, Bowman had reportedly been asked by the family of Jessica Ridgeway, a ten-year-old Westminster girl allegedly kidnapped and murdered by teenager Austin Sigg, to stop selling items with her likeness on them. And this past December, the Redwine family demanded that she remove a Missing Dylan Redwine CMCF Facebook page.

Thompson denies she is Bowman and insists she only wants to provide a forum for facts about the case less vituperative than those on Calling Mark Redwine, a page populated by items suggesting that Dylan's father is guilty of his murder. She adds that Calling Mark Redwine is affiliated with Justice for DYLAN Redwine, a page that appeared after hers.

Not true, maintains Diane Hess, administrator of the DYLAN page. She describes herself as the best friend of Elaine Redwine, Dylan's mom, whom she refers to as Lainie. "I watched Dylan grow up," she says through tears.

Hess stresses that even though she turned down Thompson's suggestion that the two Justice pages be merged, there's no fight between them. "We are not rivaling any page," she says. "Our page went up later because we were busy mourning the loss of our Dylan, but after speaking with Dylan's mother and the family, they wanted a page for that purpose -- for justice."

She notes that the original Facebook page devoted to the search for the boy, Find Missing Dylan Redwine, remains in place because Elaine wants to preserve the posts of mourning and condolence on it -- although its name could be changed in the near future. In the meantime, "we're going in a new direction -- looking for justice for Dylan. But we're not trying to engage that other page. The family wants a page run by someone they know and trust."

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As for Thompson, Hess is "99.9 percent sure" she's actually Bowman. "She's done this repeatedly for the past seven months. She's created so many alternate Facebook pages under so many different names" -- including, says one source, "Kirk Vogel."

Early on, Hess says, Elaine and company tried to involve Bowman, "but she kept making decisions and doing things the family didn't like. That's what she does, and that's not the way Lainie wants it. Everything we do goes through Lanie. It's her son. And Kimberly Kay Bowman was creating events without checking with anyone, so we told her to stop -- and it got ugly."

Hess points for example to this recent post on the first Justice for Dylan Redwine page:

One thing that is odd in this, is that Denise Hess, Elaine Redwine's spokesperson, is referenced as saying that she received an e-mail from Kim Bowman about the merging of the two sites. I don't know how that could be true because it was me (Becca) who attempted to make contact with Denise Hess. For me, this calls into question anything that this woman says (Denise Hess/Katt Hawkins). How much other inaccurate information has she put in public view?
Hess also notes that Thompson's personal Facebook page, which she provided to Westword as evidence of her identity, appears to be something of a placeholder. It features almost no content other than a post from twenty hours ago that reads, "Welcome to my profile, stalkers! Justice for Dylan!"

Obviously, Hess wants Justice for Dylan, too. But she's not ready to demand that the first Justice page be removed. "At this point, we really don't care if there are fifty Justice for Dylan pages out there, as long as they're not harming the family in any way, shape or form."

Continue for our previous coverage of Dylan Redwine, including photos and videos.


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gulagi
gulagi

This business about the Facebooks is ridiculous. And can barely be kept straight, as far as who is who. For those of us who know nothing about this, but read news of interest, it's a super annoying sidebar and confusing on the face of it. Why is it even an issue; who does this kind of stuff and then rolls around in it, at such a time?  

Fact -  There's a new industry of "concerned" strangers who create "MISSING" and "Bring X Home" websites and Facebooks. Uninvited and without consulting families. They track news to find missing persons to satisfy their own voyeuristic self-interest. Some of them beg for contributions - on the family's behalf, of course. Some of them pretend to be organizing search efforts - and they are usually not. Often, they have not the slightest idea what limitations there are with state and local resources. Some of them are taking it upon themselves to call local enforcement. <b>Most</b> of them have some level of psychic stuff and some of those people actually track down the families, cruelly and thoughtlessly offering "information" that NEVER EVER is accurate or even realistic.

Then they have a whole bunch of people who just pray and pray and pray.

Fact - Expanding on this new generation of "helpful" strangers are the handful of even weirder people who create private "charities" (Colorado Missing Children’s Foundation) as a source of income for _themselves_. Capitalizing on criminal loss of a family member. The worst possible exploitation I can think of. And, yes, these people really do think they're helping.

Colorado Missing Children Foundation is such a one. There are tons. With very official sounding names that make them sound legit and nationally affiliated.

Bowman dissolved her company in January 2013.

jodilynnprty1
jodilynnprty1

There is only one person responsible for Dylans death. And they know who they are.. It is the one person that knew where he was.. it was the one person that probably would not have left him alone the second day he arrived at his home.. this sickens me..because the obvious suspect is the one he was with... I am in Montana and some man brought his 3 year old son here and Killed him basically because his wife would not let them take a road trip from Washington to the East Coast.. People are selfish and they do things for selfish reasons.. I know that what most people on here say 99 percent of child murders are done by a family member.. that is no joke.. so stop pissing around and get your suspect.

lmc599
lmc599

Thanks for a continuing blog and updates on this story. Even the facebook stuff that is going on.

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

If you were to take the last 1,000 cases,(nation wide), where a child was killed by a parent, 999 of the thousand were committed by the MOTHER !

Rarely does a father kill his OWN child ........

It does happen but, .........

DHisALiar
DHisALiar

Do you realize yet how ignorant you seem?

laurahoover
laurahoover

Do any of you talking nasty , live nearby , or KNOW he family ?????

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

Thompson denies she is Bowman and insists she only wants to provide a forum for facts about the case less vituperative than those onCalling Mark Redwine, a page populated by items suggesting that Dylan's father is guilty of his murder. She adds that Calling Mark Redwine is affiliated withJustice for DYLAN Redwine, a page that appeared after hers.

Not true, maintains Diane Hess, administrator of the DYLAN page. She describes herself as the best friend of Elaine Redwine, Dylan's mom, whom she refers to as Lainie. "I watched Dylan grow up," she says through tears.

^^^What's not true?  That the family Justice for Dylan page is not affiliated with CMR?  DH=admin on CMR, DH=admin on Family JFDR page.  Yep the two pages are affiliated thanks to DH being involved.  Also, FMDR is affiliated to both because DH is also an admin there.  

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

Hess also notes that Thompson's personal Facebook page, which she provided toWestword as evidence of her identity, appears to be something of a placeholder. It features almost no content other than a post from twenty hours ago that reads, "Welcome to my profile, stalkers! Justice for Dylan!"

^^^^^that's funny.  So because the page is private, she is suspicious.  LMAO.  Hey people, if you value your privacy DH is going to be 99.9 per cent convinced you are KKB.

gulagi
gulagi

@Juan_Leg  Why would you even say such a thing in the first place? 

Go ahead, do the research. Take the last 1,000 cases of murdered children and find out if it's mothers or fathers doing the unthinkable. What about step-parents? Or the mom's boyfriend who kills the baby? Will you count that as "a father?" 

Who cares?! What a completely useless perspective. And creepy, too.

GuestWho
GuestWho topcommenter

@Juan_Leg

Sorry but you are incorrect.  Here it is again -

http://hunterreschfoundation.com/facts.html

Facts and Statistics "Among children under age 5 years in the United States who were murdered in the last quarter of the 20th century, 61% were killed by their own parents: 30% were killed by their mothers, and 31% by their fathers."  If you research filicide you will also find that mothers are more likely to murder daughters, while fathers are more likely to murder sons.  Sad but it happens.

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

@DHisALiar  

Why, because I refuse to let a grieving & conniving ex-wife, along w/ the media, influence a community where up to now, didn't have ANY issues w/ the senior, Mr. Redwine .?!?

I have very close friends in the area & I'll talk w/ them before listening to ANYTHING the media has to report !

BeccaThompson
BeccaThompson

@whyyagottalie You know, my understanding is that Denise Hess and Kim Bowman know each other.  Why did Denise never respond to me so that I could speak to her on the phone and clarify this with her?  Lia Howard was offered my phone number.  No body bothered to verify the assumptions they made before making accusations.  Strangely, this does leave me wondering about all conclusions presented as factual.   When one thinks something is true, one must check it out with all tools available.  This did not happen.  Why?

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

@GuestWho @Juan_Leg  

I checked the site but would personally question where it got it's numbers .

I DO appreciate the correction & will ALWAYS check out a provided link !

JusticeforDylanRedwine
JusticeforDylanRedwine

@Juan_Leg @DHisALiar 

The guy shot up his neighbors house and burned his own kitchen down to get the insc. money. The people have issues with the senior. Check your sources. Particularly the ones who live in shooting range of his gun.

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Maybe DH had other, more important, things to attend to like, for instance, planning the memorial for Dylan? Perhaps she was grieving and supporting her grieving friend?

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Offtopic

@BeccaThompson @whyyagottalie I only met Denise Hess once, other than that our conversation have been through Facebook private messages.

Denise Hess/Katt Hawkins is a good person, she is only protecting her friend. We may not all agree with her approach, but she has Elaine's best interest at heart and that is admirable.

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@BeccaThompson @whyyagottalie 
The only reason I can really think of right now is that the truth of THIS didn't really matter to them.  If none of it mattered then why was the big stink raised in the first place? Things that really make you go hmmm.  I stand by assessment that it didn't have anything to do with KKB at all and KKB was just a tool they could use to steer people off the first page and to their own.  If there was no rivalry and it was something the family wanted, and was aware that the first page existed, then why did another need to be made at all?  If what you are telling me is true, that you offered your phone number up then all they had to do was take steps to verify if you were who you were, again...the truth just didn't seem to matter.  Control.  Bottom line.  It bothers me when people feel like they have to control every single thing. 

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

I find it hysterical that -I- was being called "illiterate" and this post has been left alone. Just to calm my OCD a bit: *strangers, *latter (a "ladder" is an item used to climb); *unjustly

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Perhaps you missed my point. Children should not be used IN ANY WAY. Not in threats. Not for the purpose of stroking your ego. Children should not be used as little pawns- this is NOT a game.

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Offtopic

@EyesandearsVL You're right it should be but unfortunately that has not been the case.

That is what hate provokes...more hate.

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Using people's children in any way is awful and should be off limits.

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

You know what you've done. the article touches on some. I'm not your old friend, Dani and I'd rather not spam post after post in regards to everything you've done. In response to your "how can you insert scripture as a defense?"- You had a very vague "::insert bible verse here::", I inserted one. I think it fits quite nicely, actually.

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Offtopic

@whyyagottalie I'm so sorry that happened to you Emma. Being me isn't easy these days. I have come to terms with the harassment and slander, but the threats to harm my children are a bit unsettling.

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@JusticeforDylanRedwine @whyyagottalie @EyesandearsVL The admin of the page recently posted that Lia is not admining anymore.  She also said tbe merge offer was rejected.  I looked at the family supported page last night and saw something about someone licking lollies(in grotesque form).  It is starting to transform into CMR already.  

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

It's been suggested and avoided. IMO, the only reason it continues to stay up is pure ego.

JusticeforDylanRedwine
JusticeforDylanRedwine

@whyyagottalie @EyesandearsVL 

Not sure why I didn't suggest this earlier, but here it is. Where the family is in support of the page Justice for DYLAN Redwine, and the administrator of the page Justice for Dylan Redwine suggested a merge earlier on, why not just shut Justice for Dylan Redwine down and refer those on the Dylan page to the DYLAN page supported by the family? It's a thought, if the admin is clearly suggesting Lia to be as admin there, why not just go to the page Lia is admining now?

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@EyesandearsVL Oh you mean the threatening message I got from someone one day in my other box, calling me all these names.  I got harassed personally because of this.  Called vulgar names.  So yeah, it does seem to incite harassment from others, to be called KKB.  

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Kimberly, the things you have done to these families evokes suspicious behavior directed at, possibly, well-meaning souls. ::insert Ezekial 25:17::

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Offtopic

@whyyagottalie @EyesandearsVL I agree, but I am trying to understand and justify the behavior in light of an awful tragedy. I don't think I will ever understand the amount of hate brought on amongst stranger during such suffering. I have seen it over and over. I have also seen good come from these cases. I pray for the ladder in all horrible situation. If I died tragically at the hands of another injustly, I would want my suffering to be used for good.  ::insert bible verse here::

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

What impact did it have on YOU, specifically?

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@EyesandearsVL Let's see what impact occurred from that.  Well, BT has a page for DR right?  It seems a great many people went to that page causing a big stink about how she was KKB, a total disruption from discussions going on there, IMO.  So I would say it had an impact.  In fact all those people that went over to her page accusing her could have been said to be harassing her, so, let's just say, harassment.  

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

What impact does it have on you, specifically, what DH says or thinks about KKB?

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@EyesandearsVL But she had time to do other things like making false allegations against someone?  So far, the allegations have not been proved true and you KKB here saying she isn't that person, BT saying she isn't KKB.  Right now, looking like false if they only thing one has is a "feeling" and well, like I said, she managed to make time to libel and slander, but not time to verify. Before she opened her mouth about it, she should have investigated it.  Convenient.

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Offtopic

@whyyagottalie @Offtopic I don't think that you will ever get a truthful answer to that question. I think that the level of protection portrayed can only be understood by those close to this tragedy.
I understand the difficulty in understanding the "why" questions, believe me!!! I think that it is time for all to put the hate, rumors and judgments aside. A child is dead and none of this will change that. I think it is up to us as adults to be a lesson and example on how do deal with conflict in a positive manner for future generation.

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@Offtopic I get what you are trying to tell me about DH, but I don't see that.  I see her making blatant accusations against everyone who doesn't share her opinion or disagrees with her methods of being you, without even "investigating" if what she is claiming is true.  If she is asked to post her "proof" she won't.  She just "claims" to have it.  I see her using this as a tactic to discredit people, but why is she trying to discredit them?  What purpose does it serve?  

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@JusticeforDylanRedwine @whyyagottalie @EyesandearsVL 

I don't really have a problem with that, but it seems like it's a one way street with others.  They want to demand to know who others are, but then again they don't want to answer that question themselves.  I believe I disclosed my identity here because I was being accused of being two other people when I was posting.  Someone kept ASKING me if I was these two posters.  Wouldn't you agree that if you wanted to know who someone was you should tell them who you are too?  Or if you are going to preach "FULL DISCLOSURE" is key to everything that both parties must practice it?


JusticeforDylanRedwine
JusticeforDylanRedwine

@whyyagottalie @EyesandearsVL 

It is your decision to disclose your identity and it is my decision to not disclose my identity. I wish not to have a relationship, but rather only share views. Of course, you may derive my integrity based on that, either way you so choose.

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Why does it feel like hyenas circling around their potential kill here?

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@JusticeforDylanRedwine @whyyagottalie @BeccaThompson I see plenty of talk of MR did it over there.  Whatever are you talking about?  You must not really have read the page.  The only thing I have seen the admin state would be deleted was comments that didn't pertain to Dylan and his case, or comments that used profanity or called names.  So it's the admins fault if people can't discuss something without calling names or using vulgar language?  

JusticeforDylanRedwine
JusticeforDylanRedwine

@whyyagottalie @JusticeforDylanRedwine @BeccaThompson 

The aunt of murdered boy has no reason to lie. However, an aunt of a murdered boy has every reason to protect those in her family who are already in pain, hence, doing an about face and running, not walking, from the direction of a page supporting someone they believe put their nephew in this position to begin with. The answer to your last question, the conclusion was drawn when the deletion of posts in support of the maternal family theory were deleted as they were on the Find Dylan First page. Rocket science this is not. The discussion needs not be furthered. Unless of course Justice for Dylan Redwine is completely fine with folks heading over there and suggesting theories that support the father had something to do with this. Is that acceptable? If so, problem solved. We are not saying there is anything wrong with them not being okay with this. But we are saying this is WHY there will not be one page that is biased. There are two sides to this coin. And no, please review paragraph two, I did not indicate these profiles were created the same day.

EyesandearsVL
EyesandearsVL

Why was Lia's comment removed then? The inconsistencies with what your true intentions seem to be are extremely blurry.

BeccaThompson
BeccaThompson

@JusticeforDylanRedwine   I'm Becca.  I'm affiliated with no other page for or about Dylan Redwine.  On my page, Justice for Dylan Redwine, the only comments I deleted were the  accusations that had NOTHING to do with Dylan or his case and were about people who happen to give a dam(n).  I'm done with this entire question.  You made this about Kim Bowman.  I don't know the woman.  I don't know you.  I don't care.  It's over.  Moving on.  I'm signing off here and won't be back.  This is the most ridiculous diversion I have ever seen.  I'm out of here and those of you with any sense will exit the drama too.    Justice for Dylan Redwine!  

whyyagottalie
whyyagottalie

@JusticeforDylanRedwine @whyyagottalie @BeccaThompson I haven't looked at ALL the admin's profiles for that page.  But I did look at Becca's.  She had a cover photo back from 2012, that tells me the statement that ALL of the profiles were created THAT day is false.  My question is, did Lia herself look at these profiles or did someone else who then told her they were all created that day?  It goes back to someone lying.  Because the comment was, they were ALL created that day, but I have already found that at least one was NOT.  See what I am saying here?

Are you operating on the assumption that the Justice for Dylan Redwine page is the same admin as FDF?  

JusticeforDylanRedwine
JusticeforDylanRedwine

@whyyagottalie @BeccaThompson 

This is the bottom line: The Find Dylan First Facebook page is a direct support of Mark Redwine's views on what happened to Dylan. The Calling Mark Redwine page is a direct support of Elaine Redwine and her family's views on what happened to Dylan.

Who manages and doesn't manage these pages is not of concern. What is of concern, is when the Find Dylan First Facebook page administrators and contributors create a page called Justice For Dylan Redwine and delete comments that are from supporters of Elaine Redwine, that is the direct opposite of equality in views. One of the admins of that page, Justice for Dylan Redwine, for a short period of time was Lia. Lia was privy to all the admin names (which were all ironically created in Facebook within days of the page going up which leads one to believe these are completely false identities) and also was witness to the deleted comments of those who supported the mother of Dylan. It was then she realized she was admin of a page who is direct support of the father of Dylan, one whom that entire side of Dylan's family believe he was involved in death of their son.

Therefore, there is no way the maternal side of the family was going to be okay with only one page. When only supporters of the father of Dylan were allowed to speak for justice (do you see the irony here?) and not the mother's supporters. In the end, everyone should be a supporter of Dylan, but also in this country there is something called freedom of speech, which means, you are entitled to your own opinion as well as being entitled to forming opinions based on facts, as to who was involved in this case, hence, have the two pages, as DH said, she has no issues with that. Look at this page for instance, people are speaking out all over the place on here about many topics, not just this case.

In closing, there will never be a single person who support the theory of Dylan's father as NOT being involved in the disappearance and subsequent death of Dylan, who are comfortable with having ONE page dedicated to justice who are clear supporters of the father. It is literally impossible. As the one page, Justice for Dylan Redwine, believes there is some person out there in the ethers who has done this to Dylan and that the father should be allowed to grieve his sons death. Then, on the other hand, you have the Justice for DYLAN Redwine page with people who believe this man has done something horrible to his son. Joining these forces in the eyes of  those who believe the father is involved is not unlike OJ Simpson's family asking Nicole's family to share a justice page for her. Has it not occurred to anyone out there that this family is privy to details supporting their theory and that regardless of the outcome of this case and they will never be comfortable with such a suggestion?

The pages should remain separate and I also welcome you to peruse the land of Facebook and see the myriad of pages supporting as well as protesting those subject to question in a criminal case. This should come neither as a shock to the administrators of Justice for Dylan Redwine nor a slight that this maternal family of Dylan is blatantly opposed to "joining forces" as it were.

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