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Reader: This tree-huggin', pot-smokin', gay-lovin' hippie thinks gun control's gone too far

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Earlier this week, Alan Prendergast introduced us to David Gunn, a former gun-store owner touting an electronically controlled firearms safety device he's invented. The concept inspired our readers to share their thoughts about gun control in general. The following post hardly conforms to stereotypes.

Jordan Snyder writes:

I'm a huge tree-huggin', gay-lovin', pot-smokin' hippie, but I have guns and I do not believe the government has the interest of the people in mind. And of my like-minded friends, no one agrees with all the hysteria around gun control. So, I believe you've fallen victim to the polarizing nature of bi-partisan politics, where most people actually fall somewhere in the middle but the extreme point of view is more interesting and attention-grabbing so that's the one more people talk about.

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Chelly Serna
Chelly Serna

you people do know there are other parties then just Republican and Democrat, right? try an independent party. the more people that support independent parties, the more likely we are to get off a two party dominate government, which is what our founding fathers wanted in the first place. choosing not to vote because you don't like the Dem/Rep candidates doesn't do you any good, in fact, it just helps them win. try googling a quiz that helps you decide which party you're most likely to affiliate with. the answer might surprise you.

whosdp
whosdp

In Fast and Furious, Eric Holder allowed around 3,000 firearms to be purchased and taken to Mexico.  Where is the outrage?

If there were any justice, he'd be in jail for 3,000 consecutive 20 year terms!

Joe Felice
Joe Felice

Personally, I do not understand this gun business. Nobody's guns have been taken away! If we want to follow the letter of the Constitution, then gun ownership should be limited to members of a militia, and it should be "well-regulated." The words are right there, in black & white. I don't think we need geniuses to tell us what the Framers were trying to say. So, now that we know that gun ownership should be well-regulated, why do we make such a fuss when it is?

whosdp
whosdp

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

That statement is as true, now, as it was, then.  Why that's so difficult to understand, will always be a mystery.

With MILLIONS of weapons in circulation, corralling every last one would be like trying to catch and deport every illegal alien, here.  Yeah, I own guns...come and get 'em...at your own risk!

Carol Allen
Carol Allen

I completely agree with Jordan and Che. I, too, am quite liberal in many of my opinions and I own guns (I also happen to be a member at BluCore) but wouldn't ever call my self a Democrat or Libertarian any sooner than I would call myself a Republican. With the way politics are portrayed in the media, I feel like a unicorn. Nice to see I'm not the only one - perhaps we should form our own Unicorn Party?

Che Harness
Che Harness

Of course I agree, I'm the same way. A gun totin' tree-hugger who believes in personal freedom. I think we're called Libertarians, but I would never join a political party so I don't know for sure.

Doug Hubka
Doug Hubka

What total crap. Colorado passed 2 very simple laws meant to protect the rest of us and the gun crazies are going nuts.

Jeff Buske
Jeff Buske

whatever...are all gun nutz bad at shooting or what?

KikoSan
KikoSan

@whosdpI just love how the deaths of two ATF officers and four diplomats in Beeeennngazi trump the daily deaths right here due to our glut of guns.   Justice, where's the justice for all the dead here?  No responsibility, none - kill someone - go to jail maybe.  Who pays the medical bills?  The U.S. is now the cave man capital of the world.

whosdp
whosdp

@Joe Felice Just because YOU interpret the Constitution, that way, doesn't make it so, Joe.  It's the same with the laws already on the books.  MANY of these laws, if enforced, would go a long way to deter those prohibited to buy guns, from buying them.

For instance, it's a felony for certain individuals to ATTEMPT to purchase handguns.  One would think that going after those who are turned down would be one of the best ways to keep guns out of their hands.  Alas, they are seldom, if ever, taken to task.

It's true...as constituted, our laws COULD curb much of the activity which operates in the bad guys' favor.  Instead of hassling legal gun owners with ridiculous restrictions, just enforce the law as it's written!

KikoSan
KikoSan

@whosdp There's also the saying " guns make for a polite society "  That's a load of hooey - I've read the comments from gun fanatics, they are anything but polite.  They mock, threaten and are big on name calling.  Just like your threatening "come and get em, at your own risk" threat.  

 Feel like a man do you?

whosdp
whosdp

@Doug Hubka I suspect your tune would change, were a bad guy to point his illegally obtained pistol at YOU, Doug!  LONG, minimum sentences for those attempting to BUY, illegally, would put more criminals where they belong--in prison.  Anyone USING a gun illegally, ought to spend a MINIMUM of 25 years behind bars.

If these sentences were the law of the land, I'd feel a little more protected.  Since mandatory sentences are, as usual, under fire, I choose to protect myself!

whosdp
whosdp

@KikoSan...Pandora's box has been open for centuries.  There are millions of guns in circulation.  How do you propose to deal with this "glut of guns?"  Should we require them to be turned in to the police?  Should the government begin seizing everybody's guns?

Surely, you continue this dialogue because you're getting ready to enlighten me...right?  Before you do, ponder this...if you advocate a plan where all Americans turn in their guns...well, some law-abiding citizens probably would turn in their guns, just not many of them, I suspect.  Criminals aren't going to forfeit their tools of the trade, voluntarily...so I guess the other option is door-to-door search and seize all firearms.  Is that what you have in mind?

In a free society, there's only one way to deal with gun violence...and it has NOTHING to do with limiting citizens the right to buy and own firearms.  Violators of any of the NUMEROUS gun laws, already on the books, need to go away...for a very long time.  Make ALL gun crimes, Federal offenses, subject to ridiculously long prison sentences.

This isn't a cure...there's no cure for what ails violent criminals.  

Why is it, that gun ban advocates always attack responsible gun owners, while ignoring the real culprits--the bad guys.  Bad guys have no problem getting guns and nothing you can do will change that.  Only good guys follow the rules...which makes what Eric Holder did so despicable...he walked 3,000 guns right across the border to the bad guys.  And he's supposed to be on OUR side!!  Why do anti-gunners give Holder a pass for Fast and Furious?!?!?

Look, I've never, ever, aimed a gun at anybody, and hope I never have to.  I just don't want to be the only guy without one, in case some crook decides I look like a good candidate for armed robbery.  If you'd prefer trying to talk him out hurting you, super.  I intend on putting up a fight...let's roll!

whosdp
whosdp

@KikoSan @whosdp LEGAL gun owners--and the guns they own--are under assault from idealists who dream of a gun-free society.  These idealists believe guns are the root of all evil, not the bad guys who wield them.

With or without my guns, I feel like a man.  I just feel like a much safer man, armed.

KikoSan
KikoSan

@whosdp  It hardly matters how long someone sits in jail if once they get out since obtaining an arsenal guns is so easy in America. The NRA lobbied for criminals to get their gun rights back.   Domestic abuser and 3rd degree felon G. Zimmerman had no problems getting a gun did he?   We spend $74 billion per year to house criminals and more for elderly criminals. 


KikoSan
KikoSan

@whosdp Call me crazy I think Katherine Eban award winning investigative journalist for Fortune, Vanity Fair, and others is more credible than say Alex Jones or Glenn Beck.  There is no solution, we are fucked. The daily killings will continue and accidental shootings won't stop and somewhere in America the next mass murderer is plotting to outdo the last one.  My friend was married to a law abiding citizen until he shot their only child in the head. She's a broken woman now.  Then there was the time I went looking for my kid at a neighbors house. When I looked in the window, they were scurrying about to put a whole bunch of guns back in their useless hiding place.  Responsible gun owners indeed.  7873 killed since Newtown. 

whosdp
whosdp

@KikoSanLegal Community Against Violence.  THIS is the source on which the CNN blogger based her "facts."

Tell the Border Patrol Agents, who were gunned down with weapons Fast and Furious made available to cartel gunmen, that it's just a joke.

You STILL haven't 'enlightened' me as to your solution.  Would you compel me to turn my guns in to the government?  Or should the government merely seize the millions of existing firearms, most of which reside in the homes of law-abiding citizens?

KikoSan
KikoSan

@whosdp @KikoSan Nope ..fuck guns and the weirdos who own them.  Don't kill anybody okay.


whosdp
whosdp

@KikoSan The NRA has advocated, for DECADES, for enforcement of existing laws which specifically make ATTEMPTING to illegally buy a firearm a FELONY.  That's right, it's against the law for a prohibited person to attempt buying a firearm.

Of the thousands of applicants turned down every year, a mere handful are prosecuted.  Those who aren't prosecuted--well over 99%--find other avenues to illegally obtain guns.

Eric Holder (his predecessors were no better) is too busy dodging questions about his own competence in other matters, to see that laws regarding criminals obtaining firearms aren't being properly enforced.  Prisons exist to protect our citizenry from those bent on harming us.  

If your argument is centered around that $74 billion it costs to house bad guys, then it doesn't matter what the restrictions amount to...they will be ignored the same way present laws are.

Attempting to restrict law-abiding citizens from buying/owning firearms is far more difficult and expensive than throwing the book at those who violate EXISTING gun laws.

Lastly, I mention Fast and Furious.  Why?  Because Eric Holder APPROVED the purchase and movement of thousands of firearms which were KNOWN to be headed to drug cartels in Mexico.  If you're outraged that George Zimmerman can own a handgun, you ought to be...ahhhh, but you're not...are you?

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