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Grover Norquist, anti-tax-hike guru, opposes pot tax Proposition AA

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Grover Norquist.
Grover Norquist, the founder of Americans for Tax Reform, is among the most powerful figures in conservative politics thanks to his "Taxpayer Protection Pledge" -- a promise to oppose tax-rate hikes for individuals or businesses that 41 U.S. Senators and 238 U.S. Representatives have signed.

In recent weeks, Norquist made news by saying a vote for pot taxes wouldn't necessarily violate the pledge. But that doesn't mean he's in favor of Colorado's Proposition AA. Today, he confirms that he opposes it.

"If I was a citizen of Colorado, I would vote against proposition AA, as a 25 percent tax is too high," Norquist writes in an e-mail to Westword this morning. "Send this back to the state legislature."

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Joe Megyesy.
The spur for this statement was an October 31 Westword post headlined "Marijuana: Yes on Proposition AA tax proposal winning handily in polls." In the item, Joe Megyesy, spokesman for the organization backing Prop AA, mentioned Norquist, as noted in the following paragraph:
He adds that national activist Grover Norquist's recent statement that voting to raise taxes on pot wouldn't violate a no-tax pledge, since prohibition is the ultimate tax, could reassure some conservative voters who are on the fence.
The link above connects to a Forbes article, which references comments Norquist made to the National Journal. Here's an excerpt:
"When you legalize something and more people do more of it and the government gets more revenue because there's more of it...that's not a tax increase," he explains. "The tax goes from 100 percent, meaning it's illegal, to whatever the tax is."

At 25 percent on three levels of sales (on top of the state's standard sales tax of 8.75 percent), Colorado's marijuana tax is significantly higher than its levy on alcohol, but it's all the "same zone," says Norquist.

The last part of the statement certainly implies that Norquist specifically approves of Proposition AA -- unlike Amendment 66, the Colorado education proposal that he's directly attacked in tweets like this one from yesterday:

Nonetheless, Larisa Bolivar, executive director of the No on Proposition AA campaign, decided to challenge Norquist on his reported stance. We've included her entire note to him below, but at one point, she wrote, "Since you are who I and a lot of Republicans
go to for tax related issues because your fame connotes authority on the issue, I am tremendously disappointed by your decision to support the highest tax on a retail item in Colorado history based on 'Reefer Madness.'"

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A photo from Larisa Bolivar's Facebook page.
A short time later, Norquist replied to Bolivar with this note: "I have certainly not endorsed any tax hike on marijuana. I answered the question --does it violate the pledge to legalize marijuana and have an excise tax. I sent out a tweet reiterating this. I would recommend no tax higher than the sales tax of the state."

Continue for more about Grover Norquist's position on Proposition AA.


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McShyster
McShyster

Grover Norquist gets BITCH-SLAPPED again !!

TAX that SHIT !!

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McShyster
McShyster


Englewood Ballot Question 2B

Shall the Englewood Municipal Code of the City of Englewood, Colorado BAN the retail sale of recreational marijuana, ban recreational marijuana cultivation facilities, ban recreational marijuana manufacturing facilities, and ban recreational marijuana testing facilities ??

Yes !!

52.5%  

(2,237)


No

47.4%

(2,016)


McShyster
McShyster


Ballot Issue AA -- Massive Marijuana Taxes

current reporting  -- 590 precincts 


Yes

65.5%

(227,366)


No

34.4%

(119,388)


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McShyster
McShyster

"The big dispensary players want more regulation, more taxes; a phenomenon of any business sector, not just canna-business." -- Rob Corry

Nominated for the Most Idiotic Comment of the Year.

Who would dare hire a lawyer this stupid or drunk? ... and you fools allowed him to "help write" A64 ... ROTFLMAO !!



KathleenChippi
KathleenChippi topcommenter

This is what SCAMpaigns do --LIE!!  I filed a complaint with Stan Garnett over the "regulate like alcohol " being a LIE --  Stan decided not to prosecute....and what happens when you are 'permitted' to LIE--MORE LIES...

 A64 said regulate like alcohol.  The highest liquor tax is 2.9%

The state issues over 14,000 liquor licenses yearly with 12 employee's and a budget of 1.6 million. 

The cost of  liquor license ranges from $3.50 to $1,250, yearly. 

The budget divided by the conservative number of licenses (14,000)  comes to $114 per license. 

The state MMED failed it's MMJ audit.  The audit said the MMED/DoR blew over $10 million to license and regulate (they got on F on enforcing also) 300 of the 600 plus MMJ business applicants. 

So for MMJ, the DoR spent and average of $33,333 per business and did not enforce. 

The DoR also just bombed on it's Lottery audit. 

Now the DoR needs $60-80 million to regulate maybe 100 MJ businesses who have ALL already been licensed for MMJ?

So the DoR want's to spend $600,000-$800,000 per non lethal MJ business while they can handle deadly alcohol licenses for $114?  Amazing. 

I'll be voting NO on the ADDITIONAL taxes.  Right now the regular old retail sales tax is more than enough and what ALL herbs sold in Colorado are taxed.

Kyle Hartman
Kyle Hartman

Hi Daniel J. King IV (if that is your real name), Thanks for writing the stupidest most poorly written post of the week. Immigration officials will be contacting you soon to ship you off to the land of your dreams .....a place with no taxes at all! (our country has reached it's quota of Stupid for the week and unfortunately you will just have to go) How lucky are you? You're be going to the lovely destination of Somalia. Enjoy your trip....douche. (Also: Just so you know I'm not a democrat just because I'm liberal. I think they are almost as bad as the republicans. Go learn about taxes and government. Then maybe you can talk with the adults.)

Daniel J. King IV
Daniel J. King IV

Hey IDIOT Kyle Hartman, the road of High Taxes is littered with your fellow Dumbocrats CHASING PEOPLE AWAY from High Tax Areas ALL ACROSS the USA !!!

McShyster
McShyster

LOL!

Politically clueless Puerile Pot Punks are getting BUTTFUCKED with their OWN Amendment 64 !!

Priceless!!

You brain-dead bong-sucking stoners VOTED FOR IT but were too ignorant and illiterate to read, much less comprehend what it proposed.

Remember fools -- REGULATION WORKS !! -- and Taxes fund the REGULATORS!

Now Bück Dich! stoners, and receive the DOUBLE FIST of Strict Regulation and Massive Taxation that Repuglycan Rob Corry, Lyin' Brian Vicente and Mendacious Mason Tvert DELIBERATELY WROTE into A64 !!

.

Yeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ... how's that feel, eh suckers? Ignorance and illiteracy make for a rather poor lubricant, don't they?

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stupidstuka
stupidstuka

What part of a permanent excise tax starting at 15% and rising to UNLIMITED with a proposed minimum annual target revenue of $40 MILLION don't you stupid stoners comprehend?

You fuckwits wrote that self-abusing idiocy into A64.

Kyle Hartman
Kyle Hartman

This man is an awful human being. When will our country understand taxes are a necessary part of any society? #theroadtodecayispavedwithlowtaxes

robert.corry
robert.corry

Why would the Yes campaign tout an endorsement IT NEVER HAD?!? This throws into doubt all of their b.s. claims about the Feds wanting Prop AA.  Vote NO on Prop AA! Today is the last chance!


stuka1
stuka1

A little late to be running this story, don't you think, Michael?

stuka1
stuka1

@McShyster <------- prohibitionist shill, sucking on Kevin Sabet's asshole

McShyster
McShyster

@KathleenChippi ... vote YES on MASSIVE TAXES and CRIPPLING REGULATIONS ... so that NO ONE shops at the overpriced, overtaxed, government snooping, greedy big $$ retail dispensary pigs!

Stop the Corporate Cannabis takeover! -- return to the "mom and pop" gray market of tax-free, unregulated, individual caregivers, growers and dealers -- i.e. friends, family and acquaintances --  that has functioned for MILLIONS of pot users for decades.

Boycott the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Pigs and their insatiable bedfellows and law enforcement goons at the Dept. of Revenue!!


WeBeCorruptYo
WeBeCorruptYo

@McShyster Stop making excuses for corrupt politicians. If the voters had a REAL choice, the majority would vote for legislators who follow the law. Unfortunately, honest people can't afford to get on the ballot. The law as it was written is not being followed here. Your legislators are gangsters.

McShyster
McShyster

@stupidstuka This is my alternate screen name I use to carry on conversations with myself as well as "like" all my comments.

McShyster
McShyster

@robert.corry 

Why would the lying liars behind A64 tout a phony endorsement from Pat Robertson?

... or spew the laughably impossible lie that A64 would prevent 10,000 marijuana arrests every year in Colorado?


stupidstuka
stupidstuka

Why would you shove your cock into the mouth of your wife's unconscious friend?

Vote YES on massive taxes and strict regulations -- destroy the greedy profiteering big $$ dispensary cartels!

stupidstuka
stupidstuka

Didn't see you complaining when Michael and Wasteword run false stories in favor of pot.

Sauce, Goose, Stoner.

davebarnes
davebarnes topcommenter

Exactly. Some of us (many of us) voted weeks ago.

The press should stop referring to Voting Day and start calling it Results Unveiling Day.

McShyster
McShyster

plus, I'm actually just a "gray market" dealer (I refuse to call myself black market) who likes to sell unregulated cannabis and not pay taxes on it.

I'm part of the problem, not the solution. Why do you people listen to me?

McShyster
McShyster

@McShyster


Don't pay attention to me. I'm delusional and have no idea how the economy really works.

McShyster
McShyster

@WeBeCorruptYo ... how FUCKING STUPID are the Stoner Voters and authors of A64 to have SURRENDERED TOTAL CONTROL of Marijuana over to those "corrupt politicians" ... and imposed a PERMANENT UNLIMITED EXCISE TAX on marijuana ... all for a PATHETIC OUNCE of pot ??

You fools got EXACTLY what you bargained and voted for, chump.


stuka1
stuka1

@stupidstuka <=== why would you allow a stinking hobo on Colfax to shove his cock in your mouth? 

robert.corry
robert.corry

@stupidstuka Sorry, but a Yes vote actually enriches the larger cartel dispensaries and harms the smaller mom and pop shops, why do you think they are campaigning for it?

stuka1
stuka1

@stupidstuka <--- says the biggest panderer of hysterical prohibitionist propaganda in the state.  Go fuck yourself with a cactus, loser.

McShyster
McShyster

@stuka1 = didn't legalize shit.


@stuka1 "A64 has huge problems."

@stuka1 "ANYTHING is illegal under 21 with A64 for rec purposes"

@stuka1 "DISPLAYING AND POSSESSING over an oz is illegal."

stuka1
stuka1

@McShyster  <---- sucks Christard Turdstone's dick on Colfax for crack

McShyster
McShyster

@McShyster

Sorry doug, I'm just a pissed off pot dealer who has watched my price per pound plummet in the last few years and I'm a real bitter asshole about it.

Doug
Doug

@McShyster @Doug Again you can't prove anything you spout so you resort to childish remarks.  You are a loser and HUGE one at that.

McShyster
McShyster

@Doug = ostracized loser who had no friends or family willing to sell him pot when he was growing up ... always got picked last for the dodgeball team.

Sucks to be you, don't it Doug?



Doug
Doug

@McShyster @robert.corry Based on what data?  Besides the data you've made up in your head.  Plus you know he's from Colorado because he is and always has been ass backwards about the reality of obtaining pot in states that aren't friendly.  It's not that easy moron and people will travel here because they can get it. 

McShyster
McShyster

@robert.corry

@robert.corry utter NONSENSE.

The VAST majority of self-respecting stoners do NOT purchase their pot from overpriced, over-regulated, overtaxed greedy big $$ retail dispensaries offering government approved warehouse schwag  -- they instead have and will continue to obtain their pot from the same "black market" friends, family and acquaintances they've always purchased from ... or grow their own -- all tax free.

Fuck the "tourists" ... they can obtain their pot from the same local friends, family and acquaintances they've always done -- in Anytown U$A -- no need for their riff-raff to travel to Colorado just to get high.

Lower Taxes and Fewer Regulations on the Big $$ Retail Cartels will make them MORE COMPETITIVE to the traditional black/gray markets -- mom and pop growers --  you drunken Repuglycan stooge.

Now run along next door to the DC for your afternoon handjob, Rob, economics 101 class is over ... say hi to those "elderly and clean-cut suburbanites" ... and don't Bogart that joint.


robert.corry
robert.corry

@McShyster @robert.corry OK, so congratulations on including a few actual arguments rather than only false ad hominem.  To respond: You must not be writing from Colorado since there are hundreds of smaller dispensaries throughout Colorado.  They, and the working class consumer, will be harmed most by this excess tax, plus licensing fees, plus crippling regulation.  Boycotts announced by anonymous internet posters without muscle behind them don't succeed, so you'll need to give out your true name if you want a boycott.  The big dispensary players want more regulation, more taxes; a phenomenon of any business sector, not just canna-business. A better option than a failed boycott is to defeat the tax, and today is the last day to do so at the ballot box.  Using unregulated friends and family growers is great too, but some people, especially tourists, but also non-stereotypical consumers like elderly and clean-cut suburbanites, may not have that option.

McShyster
McShyster

@robert.corry

Ah yes, the false myth of the "mom and pop" dispensaries ... as dead and gone as the other LIES spewed by you, your "desk lawyer" pal lyin' Brian Vicente and mendacious Mason Tvert during the A64 scampaign.

The "mom and pop" dispensaries were all destroyed and forced out of business back in 2010 with MMIG pig sponsored HB1284, and have since returned to the traditional gray (black) market from whence they came.

Crippling Retail Taxes and Strict Regulations will forever render the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels at an insurmountable competitive disadvantage to the traditional supply market of Private Individual Caregivers, Private Growers and the same UNTAXED, UNREGULATED Friends, Family and Acquaintances that millions of marijuana users have ALWAYS obtained their dope from.

Vote YES on MASSIVE TAXES and STRICT REGULATIONS for the RETAIL MARKET -- then boycott and bankrupt the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels and their parasitic bedfellows at the Insatiable Dept. of Revenue and the Law Enforcement Goons that they help finance.

END the Corporate Takeover of Cannabis!

Support your traditional tax-free, unregulated, gray market "mom and pop" growers and suppliers!

¡Venceremos!


McShyster
McShyster

@Doug "as if his original sentance [sic] didn't clue you in on that."

Completely ignorant of Rob Corry's extensive criminal history.

Stay clueless Doug, it's your only skill.


Doug
Doug

@robert.corry @stupidstuka Rob you're arguing with a madman, don't expect to get any real conversation; as if his original sentance didn't clue you in on that.

stuka1
stuka1

@McShyster  <---- only leaves his crack-whore mommy's basement to suck dick on Colfax

McShyster
McShyster

@stuka1 = supports continued criminalization of marijuana for Adults.

@suka1 "The fact is, I'm fine with kids 18-21 not being able to buy it"

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