Reader: A campus gun ban would be as effective as a ban on 420 gatherings

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Yesterday, we wrote about retired Littleton police chief Heather Coogan and businessman Ken Toltz, who are attempting to put an initiative on the November 2014 ballot asking whether Colorado believe concealed weapons should be banned on college campuses. As always, the issue of gun control inspires a lot of emotional, polarizing debate with very little room for middle ground. But commenter GuestWho, while clearly on one side of the issue, seemed to offer some reasonable thoughts, a rare trick. Here are those thoughts:

Obviously laws are to protect our rights from being infringed, however, the gun control laws recently passed are mis-guided and do not address the real problem. Mentally ill people and people who don't know how to use guns can still obtain them easily and legally because it is not a crime to be stupid or crazy. A campus gun ban to prevent a mass shooting would be about as effective as a campus marijuana ban to prevent a 420 gathering. Create smarter laws that actually require gun training or mental competency tests before a gun purchase and maybe more people would support gun control. Taking away the rights of many because of a minority of unstable, violent people is un-american and does not solve the problem.

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Ryan Davis
Ryan Davis

Hmmmm, more dead students? Yes or No? That's a tough one.

Jason Hitchcock
Jason Hitchcock

NO noting to do with right more to do with the mental health and stress of all the ...kids are going to school at that time. If i thought all students where able to handle this responsibility.... sure. i know the wholes in this so yeah....

Kyle Gregory
Kyle Gregory

To the serial poster .. Guns are designed to protect not kill..

Matthue Kible
Matthue Kible

Ok Sterling, you are referring to unqualified individuals who have no business owning firearms. There are psychos with guns, untrained people with guns who are self proclaimed "cowboys" who would fantasize a shoutout with a would-be bad guy and straight up people who are law abiding but don't have the necessary training. I don't have any qualms with more training and stricter measures to make sure people who own weapons are legal in doing so and are safe in the same manner. What I do have a problem with is people, like yourself, who think they have the 100% solution to everything instead of looking at both sides, negative and positive. It's that extremist attitude, on both sides of the spectrum, that are dangerous. Also, if you are going to make references to other mass shootings, I would invite you to do a little research prior to engaging that little cocksucker of yours. Fort Hood was a tragedy indeed where many well-trained soldiers lost their lives. The level of their training, however, had nothing to do with their demise as ALL military installations are essentially gun free zones as well. You obviously don't know that a soldier, while in garrison, does NOT carry a rifle or firearm of any kind while on a base. All weapons are placed in a heavily guarded armory. The shooter at fort hood knew this and that's how he was able to kill so many well trained individuals. I will say that had those soldiers who were gunned down been armed, there would be many more of them standing today. Leave the physical security up to those who actually have experience in the field. On that note, if I want to know how to clean a bong or where I can go to get a good deal on a Prius, I'll be sure to look you up you fucking grass eater.

Shawn Wilson
Shawn Wilson

Sterling Meeks I hunt to feed my family and I have a cary conceal permit to protect myself and my family in the unlikely event that I have to do so and as far as gun crimes and such the vast majority of gun related homicides are committed in the places with the strictest gun legislation but I'm sure you know all about this being the mental giant that you are. By the way if you eat meat and have a problem with hunting you might want to check your drawers and stop taking about the size of other men's cocks. Dipshit.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

So let's just legalize murder, rape, and aggravate assault because -- gosh darn it -- laws clearly haven't prevented either of those from occurring.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

To the aspiring Cialis spokesman, motor vehicles are not DESIGNED to kill. Your argument is invalid.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Take a look at all of the homicides by gun in the entire country and you'll notice that the vast majority of them did NOT occur in "gun-free zones."

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Your kid is far more likely to kill you, him/herself, another loved one, or perhaps a combination/all of the above with that penile replacement of yours than you actually utilizing it to neutralize a potential intruder.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

They can't be manly with their other, far less potent "gun."

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Oh woe is you. Throughout your lengthy self-aggrandizing rant, you left out one important factor: the element of surprise. What made notorious spree killers successful is NOT the perceived "lack of resistance" but rather good ole fashioned methodical planning. Sure, they were angry (perhaps psychotic), but they were NOT stupid. Besides, the soldiers at Food Hood also had more extensive training handling dangerous weaponry than your typical civilian law enforcement officer. How'd that work out for them in 2009?

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Ok, fictional character that shouldn't have been made, instead of one psycho with a gun, you'd rather have that same psycho PLUS several Dirty Harry wannabes engaging in a shootout as if they're at the OK Corral, thereby racking UP the body count? Good to know....fucking morAn.

Betel Eli Guese
Betel Eli Guese

YOUR TOTALLY RIGHT. i just wish all the other school shooters new that.

Michael Sabin
Michael Sabin

"gunfree" zones do not work....Ban anything and only criminals will be the one who posses' it....

Shawn Wilson
Shawn Wilson

Matthue Kible thank you for your service and being the only sane voice on this thread

Shawn Wilson
Shawn Wilson

Mary Mary Johnson I have a pretty good gun collection and they just sit there and do nothing in fact not one of the has harmed a single head on anyone in my household but if anyone attempts to hurt anyone in my household I will personally kill the mother fucker MYSELF with one of my guns. It will be me nor my gun you fuck'n re re

Matthue Kible
Matthue Kible

^^"guns AND booze" it's illegal to have a firearm in your possession while intoxicated and it sounds like you know that. Those "buddies" were not examples of responsible gun owners who should be allowed to carry even a butter knife...

Jeffrey Grubesic
Jeffrey Grubesic

You don't need to bring your guns to school kids. I had some buddies do some extremely stupid stuff involving guns and booze while in college, and it's a miracle no one died or ended up in jail.

Matthue Kible
Matthue Kible

^^ the majority of posts on your page are related to pot... You don't even qualify to own a firearm, so I'm pretty sure no argument you have to bring to the table is valid.

Ryan Darling
Ryan Darling

a sicko with a stick of butter isn't killing anyone... a sicko with a ar-15 can kill 26 toddlers at a day school... see what the gun variable brings to the table?

Matthue Kible
Matthue Kible

@peace will win. So people WITH combat training wouldn't make a mess? Well I'm a combat trained Marine who was in special operations and no I don't have PTSD. I've seen the evil the world produces on all spectrums, from the Middle East, to Africa, to Southeast Asia and all the way back to Arapahoe high school, which I used to attend. After that, I carried a gun when I did federal security for three years, many of those times at the FBI. Now, after ten years of protecting others lives with a firearm, I'm attending school to further my career opportunities and I'm being questioned as to why I want to continue to carry a concealed weapon, knowing that school shootings have happened in my own back yard. Given my experience and training, I can tell you first hand I would trust myself with a firearm over any police officer in an active shooter situation. While I do agree that there need to be very strict rules, regulations and strenuous training involved to be able to carry a concealed weapon at all, I do not agree that schools would be safer places by straight out banning well trained people from carrying them on the premises.

Felipe Lins
Felipe Lins

The "we should ban cars also cause they kill more people than guns" argument is so pathetic I can't even start.

Peace Will Win
Peace Will Win

people with no combat training would make any situation a mess, get guns out of my classroom

Mick Paul
Mick Paul

sick people, WITH GUNS, kill people. you fucking morons cannot even agree on simple background checks to ensure the wrong people do not own them. I know your rebuttal, "they will get them anyway", and perhaps they will, but why make it easier with no background check, and in some cases not even an ID is required at gunshows. That is pathetic. I need to show ID to purchase ciggarettes, alcohol, weed, car rental, hotel rental, and I have had to take background checks for employment. Why is it so out of line to ask the same of somebody purchasing a potentially deadly weapon?

Mick Paul
Mick Paul

kyle, that is taken right out of the NRA handbook. you're right, guns are only the vessel in which sickos who should not own them in the 1st place use to kill people. I think you all were born in the wrong time period. maybe the old west days woulda been better suited for the dum dums who think conceal n carry should be allowed at schools of all places.

Zac Ricciardi
Zac Ricciardi

It's doesn't matter what you or I think. The second amendment is law people!

Robert Favuzza
Robert Favuzza

Anyone notice that the mass murder shootings take place in "gun free zones"? Making something illegal doesn't stop those will evil intent from doing it. It only prevents the law avoiders from protecting themselves.

Kyle Gregory
Kyle Gregory

Mary johnson .. Guns don't kill people.. People kill people.. And using your logic we should ban cars because they kill more people than guns do

James Gold
James Gold

Of course guns should be banned from college campuses. It's a place of higher learning-- there's no justifiable reason to have a gun in such a place.

Steven M Palmer
Steven M Palmer

No doubt. How can the people who used to put out such a great local paper get so pathetic online?

Charlie Whiskey
Charlie Whiskey

Yet if you remove a guns from a shooting then there is no shooting. Weird!

Brendan Flynn
Brendan Flynn

People kill, not guns. Guns are inanimate objects. Never blame the gun.

Mick Paul
Mick Paul

ok westward, you ask this question everyday, and everyday you get the same 2-4 responses. Maybe, and this is just a thought, but maybe it is time to come up with some new material, instead of serving the same leftovers daily. If your creative facebook crew cannot come up with new stuff to post, maybe you should appoint, or hire people who can?

Kevin Doyle
Kevin Doyle

I don't trust 99,9% of the people driving on the roads with me. Why the hell would I trust these yahoos with guns?!?

Mary Johnson
Mary Johnson

Wake Up People And Open Your Fucking Eyes; Gun Can Kill.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

HipTip -- the CU 420 gathering was COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN last year.


hth.

Monkey
Monkey

Gun training is already required for a concealed carry permit, and a mental competency test would eliminate most our police force unless it was easy enough for mass murderers to pass.

Monkey
Monkey

@DonkeyHotay Not by banning marijuana on campus. Or banning those with a medical cards from concealing their weed.

JimTom
JimTom

@MonkeyYou mean the 2 hour class I took where they taught me to say "I felt my life was in eminent danger and my only recourse was the use of deadly force"? Other than that the guy boasted about flashing his CCW to get out of tickets. I would have preferred something a little more testing, like maybe something where I prove I can handle my firearm correctly. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Monkey ... so you admit that dangerous and mentally unstable people are allowed to possess firearms, eh?



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Monkey ... by Robust Enforcement of their Strict Regulation they completely shut down the 420 event on campus.



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