Guns on campus: Proposed ballot initiative aims to ban concealed weapons at public colleges

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Update: A proposed ballot initiative that would ban concealed handguns on public college and university campuses was given the go-ahead yesterday by a state board that reviews such measures. But that doesn't mean the initiative will automatically be on the ballot. Starting in mid-January, the proposal's backers will have six months to collect 86,105 valid signatures from voters. If they're successful, the question will appear on the November 2014 ballot.

Continue to read more about the proposed initiative.

Original post, January 2: Should concealed handguns be allowed on college campuses? Retired Littleton police chief Heather Coogan and businessman Ken Toltz don't think so, and they're attempting to put an initiative on the November 2014 ballot asking whether Colorado voters agree. This afternoon, the state board that gives the green light to proposed ballot initiatives will consider a measure proposed by Coogan and Toltz that would add public college and university campuses to the list of places where it's illegal to carry a concealed handgun.

In 2013, state Senator Rollie Heath and Representative Claire Levy, both Democrats from Boulder, proposed a bill in the state legislature that would have done the same thing. But although the House approved the measure, Heath killed the bill after realizing it likely wouldn't have enough votes to pass in the Senate.

Toltz, who testified for the bill, says he immediately began thinking of a way to bring the issue back. In October, he founded Safe Campus Colorado, an organization chaired by himself and Coogan, who previously served as the police chief on Denver's Auraria campus, which is home to three colleges. The organization's purpose is to get an initiative banning concealed weapons from college campuses onto the 2014 ballot.

"If the legislature fails to act, it's up to the citizens," says Toltz, who has two college-age daughters and taught as an adjunct professor at the University of Denver for four years. He currently works as a consultant for entrepreneurs.

"Interactions with students can sometimes be stressful for both faculty members and students," he says, "and I believe that the presence of concealed guns threatens the safety of everyone on a college campus."

In 2003, the state legislature passed a bill allowing permit-holders to carry concealed weapons. The law included a few exceptions, including that permit-holders cannot carry concealed weapons on the property of elementary, middle or high schools.

The proposed initiative aims to add public colleges and universities to that list. Toltz notes that private universities, such as DU, can already ban concealed weapons. But when the University of Colorado tried to do the same, a group of students sued -- and the Colorado Supreme Court sided with the students, ruling in March 2012 that CU must allow concealed-weapon permit-holders to carry their guns on campus.

Eight months after the high court's decision, a University of Colorado Denver staffer who had a concealed-carry permit accidentally fired her weapon while at work, injuring herself and a coworker.

While Toltz acknowledges that banning concealed-carry weapons from college campuses won't prevent gun violence from occurring -- a lesson learned from the incidents in Aurora, Newtown and, most recently, Arapahoe High School -- he says it's a step in the right direction. "When I started this, I didn't foresee all these things," he says, referring to the aforementioned shootings. "But that feeling of powerlessness is really debilitating. And a citizens' initiative gives people the opportunity to do something."

If the state Title Setting Review Board okays Toltz and Coogan's proposed initiative this afternoon, proponents of the campus concealed-carry ban will have six months to collect a total of 86,105 valid signatures from voters in order to get the initiative onto the November 2014 ballot.

That's a lot of signatures, but Toltz is confident that the effort will be successful. "I know that our society believes that guns are a threat; that's why we don't allow them on airplanes or in public buildings, and it's why they search everybody who goes into a football game," he says. "That needs to be the law on college campuses."

More from our Gun Culture archive: "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America calls for change after Arapahoe High shooting."


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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Look! -- another "law abiding good guy with a gun" --


MOUNTLAKE TERRACE -- A Mountlake Terrace woman was taken to the hospital Monday after her husband reportedly shot her by accident, police said.

The woman, 20, was taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle with injuries to her abdomen and leg. They weren't considered life threatening, Mountlake Terrace police Cmdr. Doug Hansen said.

The bullet grazed the woman and was recovered from a chest drawer.

Her husband, 22, recently received the handgun as a gift from his wife.

"He was trying to secure it to put it away into a small safe," Hansen said.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

  Real Men don't need to Conceal their Precious Pistols


hth.

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

QUINIPAC STUDY REVEALS STATES WITH RESTRICTIVE CONCEALED CARRY LAWS EXPERIENCE MORE HOMICIDES

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Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level.

“Specifically, the study shows that less restrictive concealed carry laws save lives, while gun control can endanger them”.......

Link:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UsgnDvuQOdz

poshh5
poshh5

Most students do not want guns on campuses. People can easily become irrational after a disagreement or discussion with somebody on a school campus and start shooting everybody in sight. There are plenty of good things people can do other than walking around the place carrying guns. http://ow.ly/sihdv

fognl7
fognl7

My thoughts are somewhere in the middle, TARDS.

Jon_S
Jon_S

You know who doesn't want guns on campus? Actual college students. Who wants guns on campus? Uneducated redneck gun nuts who are too dumb to go to college. Just check out the posters on this thread for proof.

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

Lib-Tard Logic = Make our schools the most attractive place in town to go on a shooting spree using our children as targets. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

"Law abiding" "good guys" strike again !!


 *** Man killed in hunting accident in SW Colorado ***

POSTED:   01/04/2014 

UPDATED:   52 MIN. AGO

TELLURIDE, Colo.—Authorities say a 28-year-old man was accidentally shot to death by a fellow hunter during an outing near the tiny community of Egnar in southwestern Colorado.

The Telluride Daily Planet reports ( http://bit.ly/194yKbp) Trenten Tyler Sutherland was shot in the head while hunting coyotes with two companions the night of Dec. 27. The accident happened on Sutherland's parents' property, and investigators say the group was using an optical device known as an illuminator, which highlights animals' eyes in darkness.

San Miguel County Sheriff Bill Masters says the group became separated and one of the hunters was using the device with a rifle when he apparently mistook Sutherland's eyes for those of a coyote.

Doh!


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

So it would only ban "concealed" firearms, and not ban those carried openly and visible?


The second amendment doesn't say anything about "concealed" arms, just the right to keep and bear them. The U$ courts have repeatedly decided that "concealed" carry is NOT a constitutional right.



Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@DonkeyHotay Yet, the notion that someone might be armed silently saves lives…and speaking of "real men," the people who suffer most are real women. Pick up a copy of "Armed and Female" or "In the Gravest Extreme."

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

@poshh5 Whatever, Lib-tard. I want kids protected in our schools from mentally disturbed liberal shoot-em-up freaks. Why do you guys not understand that criminals 'love' the gun-free-zones you freaks created? Are you stupid?.....Mentally Ill.....Both?

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@Jon_S You might ask yourself why they're in college. It's because they don't know everything and neither do you.

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

@Jon_S Atleast i'm not a liberal whacko. You guys have an all-star track record of going into schools and shooting the places up. 

Monkey
Monkey

@Jon_S   "a group of students sued -- and the Colorado Supreme Court sided with the students, ruling in March 2012 that CU must allow concealed-weapon permit-holders to carry their guns on campus."


I guess the "actual college students" you claim don't want guns on campus, actually do. That's ok, I don't blame you, prejudice people are often stupid.  



FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed

Behold the violent fantasies of the typical gun-tard.

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

@DonkeyHotay So what is the point of your story? Are you trying to tell us that there is going to be a freak number of hunting accidents unless the 2nd Amendment is shredded, freak? Do you guys even listen to yourselves for a brief second during the day? Lib-Tard freaks.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@DonkeyHotay  Actually, that's not true. If you actually read about the history, you'd know that some states leaned toward only concealed carry, while others leaned toward only open carry, and still others did not disrespect your right to keep and bear arms. The real controversy over the first 100 years was under what circumstances people should be allowed to bear weapons of war publicly, but until 1939, the individual right to keep and bear arms was universally accepted.


If you truly want to be educated, you should consider reading "Firearms Law & the Second Amendment; Regulation, Rights, and Policy."


Yeah, he actually "wrote the book" they use in law school.

MilkWasABadChoice
MilkWasABadChoice

@DonkeyHotay Quiet, Donkey bitch. Your lack of regard for the 2nd Amendment will not give you favor in the eyes of this government. Enjoy your FEMA cell, sucker.

stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay We couldn't have open and visible carry, otherwise little pussy bitches like you would piss all over yourself with fear.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... so if you want a truly well behaved and safer society, then ARM only the women, and deny all men any legal access to firearms.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MilkWasABadChoice ... so why don't you deploy to the nearest school with your precious pistols in tow, eh Rambo?


Too scared?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... they know enough about themselves and their fellow drunk and stoned cohorts that they don't want them packing weapons of death on campus.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@Monkey @Jon_S There's also the issue of "tyranny of the majority," where a bunch of people who don't need protection (or perceive that they do) prevent those who do from defending themselves. Yeah, that's how America was designed--NOT!

FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed

" a group of college students" = a handful of young republican shills recruited by the NRA gun-tard lobby.

hth.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident  "but until 1939, the individual right to keep and bear arms was universally accepted."


Funny how Law and Society EVOLVES, eh?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1 = admits he's too much of a gutless piss-pants coward to carry his precious pistol openly and visible.


Noted.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident ... so you and your family would be comfortable living in a college-age neighborhood, surrounded by fraternities, sororities and student dorms where those teenagers 18+ were all armed with rifles and shotguns, and those 21+ who flunked out were all packing Glocks and Sigs, concealed or not?



Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident 

I'm sure they are less qualified than Freud, in all his folly, to analyze their peers and find them to be suffering from their one psychoses. 

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@stearnsw @DonkeyHotay  

There is no significant difference between a "democracy" and a "republic." 

In this republic, democracy is practiced. Democracy and Republic are basically the same word from different roots, referring to government by the people.

It's disturbing when people go on about this like there's some big difference.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep settling on dinner."


Moral of the cliché = don't be a sheep(le)


In 'murrika, all animals are created equal, so it really wouldn't matter if it were 2 sheep and a wolf, or a monkey, and donkey and a pig.


Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident 

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep settling on dinner. The term, "tyranny of the majority," came from Alexis de Tocqueville, in the book "Democracy in America." Maybe you've heard of it. de Tocqueville, who came to the US to study the prison system in the mid 19th century, decided that if something really upset the apple cart in the US, it would be the tyranny of the majority.

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@FreeTheWeed Life is easy for people ignorant enough to believe that everyone who supports all of your rights is a Republican NRA lobbyist. For the record, I'm neither, and I support every fucking right.

stearnsw
stearnsw

@FreeTheWeedone of those "shills" sleeps next to me every night. She is neither an NRA member nor a republican. She is however a loving, caring, well educated human being who just happens to exercise her right to defend herself. Next argument?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MilkWasABadChoice ... why can't you gun-tard libertoonian teabaggin' Rambos stop it?


Are your precious pistols impotent in the real world?


Or are you scared gun-tards all talk and no action, as usual?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident @DonkeyHotay @MilkWasABadChoice 


If you want to get that "farm vehicle" from the John Deere dealer to your barn, it will have to travel upon a LICENSED, REGISTERED and INSURED vehicle.


And your "farm" trucks and trailers that leave your personal property will need "farm plates" registration, insurance and licensing.


No other way to get your grain to the Cargill scales.


hth

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Cognitive_Dissident @DonkeyHotay @MilkWasABadChoice 


Always the gun-tard who wants to equate (distract) guns with cars ... like the clueless stoners who foolishly attempt to equate pot with alcohol.


So you's support Licensing, Registration and Insurance for all guns/owners, just like cars, eh?

Cognitive_Dissident
Cognitive_Dissident

@DonkeyHotay @Cognitive_Dissident 

This is where you show your ignorance. The exception was the Miller decision, in which Miller fled the country, and the Supreme Court, without a defendant, made up the law in the state's favor. It took something like 70 years, but ecently, that was corrected.

No, really, you could have looked it up.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1


ZERO evidence of any "confrontation" between the SRO and Pierson.


ZERO.


Keep flailing, chump.



stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay HAHA! You're the dumbshit accusing a cover-up of the situation by Grayson Robinson, you stupid little fuck. When did you stop beating your wife? The only coverup in this situation is the Denver Post and other media outlets whitewashing this little fuck's political ideology (same as yours), when, if the bitch had an NRA bumper sticker and was a member of the Tea Party, little mouth-breathing sycophantic zombies such as yourself would be out en masse screaming about it. He's one of yours, though....like most of them.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1 = typical gun-tard coward, gets caught LYING as usual, starts stammering and squealing like a stuck pig.



stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay @stanley1 Yep, all conspiracy....the last vestige of the stupid, gutless, and worthless. Fucking piece of shit, go blog about wealth inequality and make sure you're set with your unemployment benefits. Fatass little bitch.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1 ... keep spewing your pathetic gun-tard lies about the non-existent "confrontation" you gutless shitsucking mealy-mouthed puke.



stanley1
stanley1

You're right....all contrived and bullshit. I bet the NRA and Robinson were behind it all. Probably Halliburton and GW, too. How does it feel to know that you and the little cowardly bitch that shot up the school are so similar-entitled punkass dysfunctional leftists who are so cowardly that they have to take to shooting unarmed children? Do you feel a connection, you little bitch?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1 ... you'd just continue to INVENT "facts" not in evidence, and spew gun-tard lies.


There is NO EVIDENCE of any "confrontation" between the SRO and the shooter -- none whatsoever.



stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay I'd go into the action of securing the area, etc, but it's apparent you are absolutely too stupid to connect the dots, you gutless fucking bitch. How does it feel to wake up a pussy ass loser everyday?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1 = too stupid to click on the gigantic link contained in the quoted piece.


@stanley1 = too stupid to do simple math


The SRO made the original call after the first shot were fired, the entire shooting episode, including the self-inflicted suicide shot was over in 80 seconds, the SRO eventually found Pierson's already dead body in the library 5 minutes after the original call.


That's nearly 4 minutes LATE for any mythical "confrontation", you lying piece of crap.





stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay It's telling that you can't reconcile how the episode itself and the finding of the body could be different lengths of time. No wonder you're an unemployed fatass that hasn't been laid in a few years.

stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay Oh, precious. Link, please?  


"5 minutes after the initial RADIO CALL". Jesus Christ, you really are that fucking stupid, aren't you? You're not even worth the time, because apparently reading comprehension above a 3rd grade level is too much to ask from you.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1  


"Pierson was found dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound 5 minutes after the deputy assigned as a school resource officer made an initial radio call about the "active shooter" situation inside the school, Robinson said."


5 MINUTES AFTER ... the whole event was over in 80 seconds!


 ... the SRO was nearly 4 minutes LATE to the ex-post-facto invented "confrontation" by the wishful "beliefs" of a revisionist sheriff desperately attempting to make his department look more useful than they were.





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stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay @stanley1 Yawn. Where's the police report, you little bitch? And you calling anyone a coward is hilarious, you chronically-aggrieved perennial loser.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1  "Nothing is,"


So BEAR your ARMS openly and visible, Rambo, only a cowardly shitwipe like you would need to conceal them.





stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay @stanley1 Nothing is, I'm not the one that wants to prohibit people from protecting themselves, like you, little bitch. Where's the report, pussy?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@stanley1  "We couldn't have open and visible carry,"


So what's stopping you, besides your own fear and cowardice?



stanley1
stanley1

@DonkeyHotay Just the mere sight of a gun causes you to shit on yourself....much like someone else's shadow, more than likely.  What happened, continually picked last for dodgeball? Didn't get enough participation medals?


Duly noted.


Hey, where's the ORIGINAL police report that Grayson Robinson scrubbed? Lying little fuck.

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