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Reader: I'd rather let a TSA agent touch my junk than die

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A lot of folks weighed in on our post about a Highlands Ranch mom who filed a criminal complaint against a TSA agent following a pat-down she thought qualified as sexual assault. Here's an interesting take from a reader who feels such searches are intrusive but also necessary.

Greg Maher writes:

But you must analyze the risk. Last time I went through DIA, it was concerning to me how unsafe i felt. I could have gotten anything non-metal through, and there are plenty of devices that could harm a lot of people that are not made of metal. I would rather have a TSA agent touch my junk and straight up molest me than die because people are uncomfortable being touched. If you don't like it, you should travel by train, car or boat. You being uncomfortable is not worth putting thousands of people at risk. Nobody is forcing you to fly. You can't go to the doctors and get a physical and when they grab your balls and ask you to cough claim rape. Know what is required with flying. If it makes you uncomfortable, pick different means of travel. Nobody forces you to fly, So shut up, follow the rules and let them go to third base. Crybabies.

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jm017mustang
jm017mustang

you are a pussy Greg. You are welcome to give up your constitutional rights but don't think you can give up mine you friggin squid.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

The "unlocked doors/open windows" scenario was merely a corollary, you miserable piece of shit. It was meant to highlight the absurdity of your invoking (and outright bastardization) of Franklin's quote. While such Revolutionary-era sentiment may be shared by the vast majority of folks, in reality, we -- as individuals and society at large -- are CONSTANTLY "giving up 'essential' liberty" for the sake of security. When you lock your doors and windows at night, you are actually sacrificing your own ability to move about freely (especially in the event of some unfortunate internal crisis such as a house fire, gas leak, mentally unstable family member/roommate, etc.) in order to prevent unwanted visitors (criminals, wildlife, "agents of big gubmint") from easily entering your property. When the government -- courtesy of the "will of the people" -- enacts legislation to preserve the people's freedom to access clean air/water, that in turn sacrifices the "freedom" of industry to use up and pollute mass quantities of natural resources that are essential to life for pure profit. Simply put, you stupid, ignorant fucking Paultard LOON, there is always trading off one's "liberty" to protect another's. It's just a matter of PRIORITIZING such liberties.....you miserable piece of shit!

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Too bad passengers rarely, if ever, reciprocate such friendliness these days. Nope, they expect security personnel and flight attendants to cater to their own individual desires at the expense of basic services for everyone else.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

On a per mile basis, air travel is MUCH safer than car. The fatality rate via air travel is less than 1% than that for automobiles.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Sherman, Sherman, Sherman....I wanted Jim Armagost's OWN definition of "big government," not some random open-ended search query which may or may not leadeth me to SCHOLARLY, OBJECTIVE, & PEER-REVIEWED sources as opposed to the blatantly SLANTED, SUBJECTIVE, and UNRELIABLE paranoia-laced blogs that you and your fellow Nutters frequent.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Hey, fucktard, if you refuse the pat down, then you don't get to fucking fly. Don't pass Go; don't collect $200. It's not as if you are "forced" to fly. There are clearly other modes of transportation. It's that fucking simple. Go Greyhound or drive, bitch....oh wait, you need a valid ID/DL to do either....damn, that "big bad gubmint." I suppose you better start running a la Forrest Gump or pedal your way coast to coast or beg someone to drive you. Besides, it's not as if DWEEBY pencil-dicked little Libertarian wannabe loons even venture out from their parents' basement anyway, much less travel out of town.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

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udog
udog

Good for the mom, too bad there aren't more like her. The TSA pat-down is sexual assault in every instance and without exception. Why? Because the screener can just say no. He(or she) can say: "no, I will not commit sexual assault!"  No one can make him or her touch the intimate areas of a passenger's body, and any retaliation is grounds for a sexual harassment suit, which he would win. So when a screener touches a passenger knowing it is illegal, and the passenger is under duress to submit, it is sexual assault, every time, all the time. 


As for this nonsense about being necessary for security, that's all it is-nonsense. TSA has not caught a single terrorist, and their fancy body scanners can't detect explosives anyway. Who screens the screeners? Nobody! They and their bags go through with no screening at all. A recent GAO study found screener misconduct up 26% in the last three years. TSA fails their own tests up to 70% of the time. And of course, TSA is an equal opportunity employer, and does not discriminate on the basis of religion. 


And while they are molesting you, your wife, and children, guess what. A visiting delegation of Muslim Brotherhood gets the VIP treatment - no pat downs for them! 


Keeping you safe? Don't make me laugh. TSA agents steal from passengers and their bags all the time. They take bribes to "look the other way" They can cause you to miss your flight or even throw you in jail on a whim.  Want to contest the charge? They will make the video of the event "disappear", and lie in their reports. TSA agents have run theft rings, prostitution rings, and engaged in just about every crime you can think of. 


One last thing. Everyone has a right to travel in the manner they choose without being robbed or sexually molested. Congress could not and did not mandate irradiation or molestation as a condition of flying. Neither can the airlines lawfully mandate that passengers submit to illicit sex acts as a condition of flight. A TSA screener who commits sexual assault under color of law cannot be trusted to keep anyone safe.     

Rodger Sherman
Rodger Sherman

TLDR. I'm glad you're content being a subservient bitch to the state. I'm done mincing words with a vapid lemming that can do little more than parrot the state's tired rhetoric like a broken record. Also, if I'm forced to read DWEEB one more time I might claw my fucking eyes out with a spork.

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

And once again, thank you for confirming that you are just a pissed off guy that only knows one tune. Kill yourself

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

" Good thing people have REPEATEDLY snuck shit past TSA agents. " While no one is arguing that the TSA is perfect by any means, it also should be noted that it isn't that "incompetent" as whiny Internet DWEEBS it makes it out to be. Year after year, the TSA has done a better job of detecting banned items during the screening process, and despite its flaws, is a huge improvement over the private contractors that were responsible for pre-boarding screening before 9/11/01. It's just that bitter, whiny little DWEEBS like you gripe that if a gov't agency isn't 100% effective, then it should be completely abolished, whereas even a significant lapse amongst comparable private sector enterprises should be accepted as "side effects of the marketplace." Once again, thanks for confirming to us what you're REALLY about.....DWEEB.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Sherman, you stupid motherfucker. It is not a "violation" of personal space since passengers know (or should know) what to expect prior to entering any airport terminal & boarding any commercial aircraft in the US of A. When unable or unwilling to go through a scanner (whose cancer "risks" have been grossly exaggerated by tin-foil wearing DWEEBS like yourself), then a pat down is necessary, or simply put, you don't get to enter. You are NOT forced to fly a commercial airline, so your rights are not the least bit violated, and ergo, it is NOT "rape." Millions of passengers each year follow these relatively simple procedures without incident. It's often these very few "horror" stories that the media loves to blare out to scare a fickle public and give more verbal ammunition to paranoid fucking little Paultards lke you and Ben Dover when, in reality, a fraction of a fraction of percent that these overly-hyped incidents constitute turn out to be nothing more than some self-entitled asshole who couldn't follow seemingly simple instructions. " Way to have faith in your fellow man. " Oh, so everything we do life should just be based purely on "blind faith?" Ironic coming from a paranoid anti-government crack pot like yourself. Thanks for confirming what we already thought of you as.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

"I know you are, but what am I?" Seriously, Ben Dover, it is painfully clear that you and Sherman spent WAY too much quality time together engaging in circle jerks with other DWEEBY Tin Foil Nutters on the web.

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but Sterling is a DWEEB NUTTER LOON

GregMaher
GregMaher

When you purchase an airline ticket and step on to airport property you are surrendering all your rights, and giving consent to TSA or any security personnel that they have your permission to search you whether it be cavity, or pat down. My comment and this article are not about whether or not the TSA is stopping terrorist's, or preventing terrorist actions, its about a woman who obviously does not know what is entailed when going through airport security. Flying is a privilege not a right, just like an business can refuse service to any customer, it is the same with an airport. If you don't follow the rules, you will be asked to leave and not come back. There is a possibility that the TSA agent in question may have found an opportunity to touch his first titty, I don't know, but that is the name of the game. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TOUCHED BY A TSA AGENT DON'T FLY, it's that simple. Also I wouldn't be surprised if this lady felt like she found a golden ticket and wanted to be like Jenny from the block, used to have a little now she's got a lot. It's the American way.

Rodger Sherman
Rodger Sherman

1. You're seriously going to blame the TRAVELER for the agent violating their personal space and cupping his balls? Excellent example of victim blaming, you traitorous republican cunt. 2. Everuthong is pretty useless if they get a bomb on board. Good thing people have REPEATEDLY snuck shit past TSA agents. So far, nothing too terrible has occurred, but if you haven't heard of all the failings of TSA, maybe you should learn to work the goddamn googles. While you're at it, pick up some vocab. So far, it's DWEEB, Nutter, and LOON over and over. Really lame. 3. Way to have faith in your fellow man. I think you're projecting your own terrorist loving cowardice onto others.

Dan Brown
Dan Brown

Very interesting Sterling. Thanks for that info.

Rodger Sherman
Rodger Sherman

I'm not sure what the fuck you're saying. Not only are you a self-righteous cunt punter, but you can't even manage to make sense. Is DWEEB the only fucking insult you know, you childish, illiterate, TSA butt fucking suck up? You look like a jackass screaming that in response to everything, regardless of context.

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

Seriously though man, what is your story? Why all the hostility toward people for not wanting to be felt up? Are you TSA? Must suck to be that pissed off all the time.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith

Before you start attacking me, don't you realize that by removing your consent to the naked image scan that radiates you that you are FORCED into the pat down. I'm not consenting to being raped, they force it upon me. Now if you had made the point that I had consented to fly instead of taking a bus or train, then that's another whole issue. Also, you missed my point. It's about the children. Kids don't consent to flying, they do as they're told. Just like you said shut up and just walk through their radiation scanner..the child will do whatever their parent says. So if the parents are smart enough to avoid the radiation and naked image scan of their young one, then the government forces their children to be raped. Yes raped.

Craig Struthers
Craig Struthers

I don't think she knows an airline bootle of whiskey can be used as a weapon if someone was so inclined.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Ben Dover, I'd wager you would be the one raiding those "amnesty boxes" at The Springs airport. Silly stoner DWEEB.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Not everyone...just roughly 4/5 of all international travelers departing Tel Aviv...even those that don't necessarily fit the young bearded Arab/Muslim anti-Western stereotype. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that their heavy profiling tactics even work to deter potential terrorists, which are literally an arm's throw away from the militarized fortifications surrounding the airport grounds. It's mostly for show. \

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Ben Deco must be one of those more than 150 unregistered sex offenders WW recently published an article on. The thought of having dismal employment prospects and still living with his parents while STILL having those urges for prepubescent minors has to be more than he can bear.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Ok Mr. Rodger Sherman, please leave your door unlocked and windows open. Let's see how much you enjoy your "newfound freedom."

Natasha Schwertley
Natasha Schwertley

If only they actually made you safe instead of just providing the illusion of safety to the sheep.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

1. Your balls aren't "getting cupped." If they are, it's because you were too stupid to follow otherwise simple instructions prior to screening. 2. Air marshals are useless if someone has an explosive device aboard (as well as metal detectors not being able to detect certain components used in many incendiary/explosive devices). 3. The majority of the flying public are not anything like the few souls that attempted to "take back control" of United 93. (Oddly enough, many of your fellow conspiracy-monger imbecilic LOONS even consider the United 93 incident to be "manufactured" by the government in order to gain support for increased security measures as well as invading Afghanistan after 9/11/01.) Nope, the typical traveler will simply sit still and hope for another to intervene a la the "bystander effect." Once again....silly Nutters don't know which ship to sail.

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

Sterling is a TSA agent who loves playing with old mens balls, so he gets very passionate about this subject. The thought of an 8 hr shift and coming home with hands that only smelt like his own balls is more than he can bear.

Dan Brown
Dan Brown

Sterling - they do a lot of things at Ben Gurion, but they don't do them to everyone. They train their security to look for suspicious items and people, not to give everyone who walks up to them a cavity search.

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

Sterling, I think you would be a great candidate for some of that legal marijuana stuff.

Rodger Sherman
Rodger Sherman

Jesus christ, ANOTHER bloody twat correcting me for PARAPHRASING and then a TYPO. Why don't you go Todd yourself, you petty piece of cunt excrement. I got the bleach right here. Wish the worst kind of cactus rape on you and your family.

Charles Buckley
Charles Buckley

Easy partner. I have no problem with letting the carnal passions flow between myself and the TSA.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

@ Greg. Isn't it ironic that those who try to make it a gender issue are usually the ones who blatantly abuse the terms "rape" and "sexual assault" in regards to VOLUNTARY TSA pat downs? Fucking tools.

Rodger Sherman
Rodger Sherman

Maybe I didn't think it was worth it. Maybe he fucking said it best and there's no need to expand. Maybe you're a vapid, shit-talking troll that needs to locate the nearest electrical socket and fuck it to death, you fuckin piece of insect shit

Ben Deco
Ben Deco

If I was looking for a savior I would call Offensive Jesus. I'm looking to get on a plane without getting my balls cupped. The cockpits are locked. We have air marshals. We have metal detectors. We have a public that will never stand for the plane they're on being hijacked again. I will take my chances.

Sterling Meeks
Sterling Meeks

Hey fucktard. What the TSA performs does not even meet the very definition of rape. You have to CONSENT to a pat-down. (Otherwise, you don't get to fly. Plain & fucking simple.) Clearly, you are a fucking idiot tin-foil hat wearing LOON.

virgildunn1
virgildunn1

@udog  
"Everyone has a right to travel in the manner they choose without being robbed or sexually molested."

uuhh...dumbass....1.  private screeners  and airline baggage handlers have been stealing from and "molesting" passengers for as long as there has been air travel, so stop acting like as if this is some recent "gubmint-created" phenomenon.  

2.  your rights only go so far as to not conflict with state interest of security.  

3. you have a general right to travel, but NOT a right to a SPECIFIC MODE of travel.  

4.  the so-called "cancer clusters" that were being bitched about ad nauseum by raging anti-government loons in regards to body scanners never occurred....the alleged cluster amongst Logan Airport screeners never has been verified since it is likely that their cancer (the type which hasn't been disclosed due to medical privacy statutes) was NOT attributable to the machines.



udog
udog

@GregMaher  Where do you get this idea that When you purchase an airline ticket and step on to airport property you are surrendering all your rights? When you purchase a ticket, it is a contract between you and the airline - TSA is not a party to the contract. Contracts convey rights and duties - they do not take away or require you to surrender your rights. Lawful contracts cannot require either party to submit to or engage in an unlawful act, such as sexual assault. 


Nothing in the law authorizes TSA to touch, fondle or squeeze the intimate parts of passengers' bodies, or to conduct cavity searches. Even prison strip searches do not involve contact with the prisoners body. As a party to the contract, you, the passenger, define how far the search can go - not the TSA. 


Flying is not a privilege, it is a right, under the constitution, under statute, and under contract law. As common carriers, airlines cannot refuse to serve anyone without good cause, anymore than a restaurant, hotel, or any other public accommodation can refuse to serve customers. If you have the fare, and they have the seat, they cannot turn you down. 


Finally, why should this woman or anyone else have to submit to sexual assault as a condition of air travel? Because it's the name of the game? IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TOUCHED BY A TSA AGENT, INSIST YOUR CONGRESSMAN CHANGE THE LAW ! If he (or she) won't, back their opponent, and let them know it. It's that simple.


Don't get any ideas that suing the government is a golden ticket. If you can't fight city hall, you don't stand a chance suing the feds. They have more money and lawyers than you do, and the judge is on the federal payroll as well. Good luck with that. 

FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed

Pathetic sycophant who cowers for government agents and the charade of security theater.

I'd rather let TSA agents anally rape you and your family than touch my junk.

Any questions?

udog
udog

@virgildunn1 @udog  So, government employees stealing from and molesting passengers is okay? "Everybody else is doing it, why can't we?" Is this what you mean by "highest ethical standards" and "we treat passengers with dignity and respect"? 


Seems to me TSA checkpoints are little more than brothels, where passers by are forced to either be participants in a peep show and/or be molested by paid sex workers, while their belongings are pilfered for valuables. Check out the definition of public nuisance, see if it doesn't encompass the activities of the TSA:


The term public nuisance covers a wide variety of minor crimes that threaten the health, morals, safety, comfort, convenience, or welfare of a community. Public safety nuisances include ... practicing medicine without a license,(a TSO playing doctor?) or harboring a vicious dog (TSO). Houses of prostitution...are examples of nuisances that interfere with public morals. Obstructing a highway or creating a condition to make travel unsafe or highly disagreeable are examples of nuisances threatening the public convenience. 


TSA - a public nuisance, and a threat to every but terrorists. 



udog
udog

@virgildunn1 @udog What you seem to be saying is that we have no rights. No right to expect our property to be respected, no right to be safe from abuse of our person. No rights at all for that matter.


1. Private screeners were licensed and bonded - TSA screeners are not. TSA screeners have the justice department as their attorneys - baggage handlers and private security do not. Yes, this a recent phenomenon.


2. "your rights only go so far as to not conflict with state interest of security". Where does this appear in the Constitution? Have you even read the Bill of Rights? Did you skip the study of civics?


3. Yes, everyone has the same right of public transit, where did you get the idea they don't? Guess Rosa Parks was before your time. Do you even know what a common carrier is? So yes, I and everyone else have the right to travel by the mode of our choice, and we don't need your permission either. 


4. I didn't mention the cancer clusters, but since you did, I'm sure your comments are a great relief and comfort to all those screeners who didn't get cancer from the baggage xrays or body scanners. After all, how would they know? They were forbidden to wear dosimeters, and they were standing next to x-ray machines all the time. Everytime I had a medical x-ray, the doctor went to a shielded room. I wonder why?


5. Give my regards to your coworkers at the TSA and the 18 new twitter accounts that were created to mediate news coverage. How's that working out for you?


GregMaher
GregMaher

@udog @GregMaher You should go back to school. Your facts are completely off. It is not a constitutional right to fly. It is private property, and anybody can be asked to leave at any time. Airlines DO NOT have to board you on a plane. If they don't like the way you dress, they can ask you to leave the plane, or deny you a flight. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. And nobody has to submit to sexual assault, but in order to get to the terminal's you do, and if you don't want to be, then you don't get to pass go. Your stupidity is blowing my mind right now.


GregMaher
GregMaher

@FreeTheWeed It wouldn't be rape since I would be a consenting adult to the anal search. If I said no you cant search me, and they did and touched me, then yes, it would be. But they would kick me out if I said no, therefor no rape would happen.Thanks for wishing rape upon me and my family, that is very mature and respectful of you.


udog
udog

@virgildunn1 @udog The only failure is your own, as evidenced by your use of vulgar language, and your attempt to tell people they have no rights. Now as to your contentions:

Yes, the airlines do offer their services to the general public - at ticket offices, by telephone, and on websites. They are public transportation, not public transit. 

Yes Airlines are regulated, for the public benefit. 

There is no need to establish any privilege or right because the right to travel already exists, and it predates the constitution, and is established in the statutes of the United States. Once a passenger purchases a ticket, he has a contract with the airline - That does establish a specific, individual right to transit.

Now, if the bureaucracy truly deems an individual a risk, they can always have him arrested and bring charges in open court. By the way, how do they decide if a particular individual is a high security risk? Do they always get it right? What happens when they make a mistake? Oh, now we understand why you claim there is no individual right. That way you never have to apologize or say you're sorry. 

Your argument fails at every bullet point, not just one. You can't argue the facts, you can't argue the law, so you resort to name calling. That's what I call an "epic fail".  



virgildunn1
virgildunn1

@udog  You dumb fuck.  The term "common carrier" only refers to those companies that offer its services to the general public without discrimination (as opposed to a contract or private carrier that provides only to specific clients or does not offer services to the public at all, respectively).  As such, such companies become subject to regulation by act of Congress or other regulatory body with applicable authority.  It does NOT establish any privilege or "right" for any INDIVIDUAL consumer to access such services, and does NOT prevent any regulatory body overseeing such operations of common carriers deem that particular individual to be of high security risk to the general public.  Commercial airlines are NOT "public transit."  

It's funny how people on the webz love to fancy themselves as "legal scholars" only to have their entire schtick fall apart by a single bullet point.  The rest of your post consists of nothing more than paranoia-tinged, innuendo-laced anti-government drivel we've all come to expect and "love" from loons like you.  Epic FAIL!!!

udog
udog

@GregMaher @udog  Sorry Greg, maybe you should go back to school. The right to travel predates the constitution, and is included in the all other rights not enumerated. By the way, the Constitution does not grant rights - it guarantees rights that already existed. 


Not convinced? Read 49usc40103: "A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace." That's the law. 


Airlines and airports may be private property, but they are also businesses engaged in interstate commerce,  catering to the general public. They may not refuse to serve anyone without good cause. Nor can they order anyone to leave without good cause. The relationship between airlines and passengers is governed by the contract of carriage, not by whim, and no lawful contract can require either party to engage in unlawful activity. 


Airlines are common carriers: "The duties of such carriers are, 1st. those which arise on the commencement of the journey. 1. To carry passengers whenever they offer themselves and are ready to pay for their transportation. They have no more right to refuse a passenger, if they have sufficient room and accommodation, than an innkeeper has to refuse a guest."


Now as to your contention that "nobody has to submit to sexual assault, but in order to get to the terminal's you do..." this is not the law. It is a policy that was developed and implemented by TSA HQ without going through the steps required by the Administrative procedures act. It's also a crime in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It adds nothing to airport safety. Indeed, it imposes an ethical compromise on TSA screeners, who have become paid sex workers. No wonder TSA has a problem with theft! 






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