Circumcision is "state-sponsored genital cutting"? Advocates' message to Colorado pols

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Should Medicaid payments for circumcision be cut off in Colorado?

That's the argument of The Whole Network, a national organization that's encouraging its members to contact Colorado legislators who might be thinking about reinstating such funding. A network spokeswoman says the fight has taken place behind the scenes at the State Capitol the past two years, and advocates are ready for another battle against what they see as harmful surgery on innocent victims.

"We believe that circumcision, and especially infant circumcision, is cosmetic surgery," stresses Sarah Kuester, whose also on the Whole Network's board of directors. "It's unnecessary, it's damaging, it's non-consensual, and there's almost never a medical need for it."

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A photo shared on The Whole Network's Facebook page.
Why the focus on Colorado?

"Circumcision in Colorado was covered by Medicaid until 2011," she says. "Then it was budgeted out in 2012 -- and it was reintroduced and defeated in 2013 by a tie vote in the budget committee."

As for the current session, sources on the ground in Colorado -- the most prominent local organization opposing Medicaid funding for circumcision in the state is Colorado NoCirc -- reveal that "it's been brought up to the budget committee again," Kuester continues. "From what we understand, it hasn't gotten as far as it being actually introduced, but it's in the process. So this is a preemptive strike."

The pro-circumcision crowd "tries to pass it off as preventative surgery," Kuester allows -- the idea being that the removal of an infant boy's foreskin enhances hygiene, among other things.

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A meme that also appears on the network's Facebook page.
But in her view, "the benefits absolutely do not outweigh the risks. If somebody wanted to give their baby a boob job, they'd be laughed off the face of the earth. But this kind of cosmetic surgery is practiced every day -- and we don't think Medicaid should pay for it."

Holding ground in Colorado is important, Kuester believes, because "Colorado is one of eighteen states that currently do not fund Medicaid circumcisions. But if it's reintroduced in Colorado, it could possibly be used as a tool in other states -- like, 'Colorado has reinstated it, so maybe we should, too.'"

Kuester feels the efforts to prevent such a development are off to a good start. Via e-mail, she points out that the action alert that went out to The Whole Network's 15,500 Facebook fans has already registered 17,000 views to date, and at least one Colorado legislator, Senator Vicki Marble, has responded with "I agree!!," which Kuester sees as encouraging.

"Basically, this is a human rights issue," she says. "To reintroduce state-sponsored genital cutting is a step in the wrong direction."

Continue to see The Whole Network action alert, plus a sample e-mail and contact information for members of the Colorado legislature.


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TLCTugger
TLCTugger

Any updates?  Is it still an appropriate time to send emails? 

lawrencenewman110379
lawrencenewman110379

MAle circumcision is as bad as if not worse than all forms of FGM bar type 3.  I was circumcised at 14 without my informed consent and I can say with 100% certainty that it destroys sexual pleasure; the cell biology of all penile structures has been mapped and backs me up on this.


People who circumcise their baby boys are committing the same human rights abuse as people who do it to girls.  They are committing a sex crime.  

WillieStortz
WillieStortz

Just because you're a dirty, filthy hippie it doesn't mean your children have to look and smell like Afghani sheep herders.


If you don't want to circumcise your child, fine, but please stay in your dark cave and keep your mouth shut.

ItWasThereAMinuteAgo
ItWasThereAMinuteAgo

It is quite the barbaric practice, isn't it? I have to admit I am guilty of letting my children get their junk chopped at birth myself. I did it for the babes they will eventually hook up with. So they don't go Eeww.......What a fucked up society we live in.....

glharryman
glharryman

A one minute anatomy lesson for background:  Neurologically, the most specialized pressure-sensitive cells in the human body are Meissner’s corpuscles for localized light touch and fast touch, Merkel’s disc cells for light pressure and tactile form and texture, Ruffini’s corpuscles for slow sustained pressure, deep skin tension, stretch, flutter and slip, and Pacinian corpuscles for deep touch and detection of rapid external vibrations. They are found only in the tongue, lips, palms, fingertips, nipples, and the clitoris and the crests of the Ridged Band at the tip of the male foreskin. These remarkable cells process tens of thousands of information impulses per second and can sense texture, stretch, and vibration/movement at the micrometre level. These are the cells that allow blind people to "see" Braille with their fingertips. Cut them off and, male or female, it's like trying to read Braille with your elbow. A woman can live without the sensitivity of the visible part of her clitoris. A man can live without the only mobile and most sensitive part of his penis - the Ridged Band of the foreskin. But, both men and women are better off with their natural fine-touch parts intact. And so are their sexual partners. Forced amputation of any human body parts, male or female, infant or adult, is a violent violation of fundamental human rights that sub-normalizes the victim for life.  It is a crime against a person's humanity. To use tax dollars to violate people's rights is perverse. 

frankmcginness
frankmcginness

Cutting off 75% of the male's sexual receptors does diminish his ability for multi orgasms which for intact according to CAN-FAP and his video is around 7 orgasms in 12 minutes with the same erection using three quivering fingers, all with very noticeable ejaculate. Further his video shows the five most sensitive parts of the penis which are lost to circumcision, each part is capable of eliciting orgasm.


>While I'm at it there's this: And as Sex as Nature Intended, online, there's pleasure receptors inside the penis. At the tip, midway, and base. Tip receptors are right under the glans. The glans activates these by gentile massage action. A tight circ. will push the glans down on the receptors so there's no room for massaging. The mid and base are not nearly as sensitive as the tip interior receptors, but cut men will employ these more than those intact to gain needed sensations. Cut guys thrust left right, up down to increase pressure midway and at the base.

>Male and female both cut off as much as is possible and still be able to procreate.

>What is good to know about intact boys is their penis grows faster than the foreskin so they grow into their skin (there's really no extra and what seems like a good circumcision can during puberty's growing spurt can then cause tearing and blood). During the natural foreskin glans separation, nature provides it to itch thereby prompting the boy to itch manipulate which speeds the separation process and also introduces masturbation. Masturbation then teaches the male how best to please himself and by transference of the foreskin how best to please his partner. Circumcision teaches nothing except the pleasure of the hand. So just how does the hand play into intercourse?

frankmcginness
frankmcginness

. Foreskin For Her Dr Paul Tinari April 2012https://vimeo.com/56767851 (62 min.)

>http://research.cirp.org/news1.html John Taylor, heart specialist and world's penis researcher and expert says in his 2009 October Newsletter:
SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) and circumcision: What is the link?

>Cold/Taylor-the presence of smegma preputii is a rare finding; in a prospective examination of 4521 uncircumcised boys, only 0.5% had smegma.

>Dr. John Taylor penile and heart researcher - Sexual Function of the Dartos Muscle (loosely):
Upon erection the Dartos muscle tenses creating a one-piece solid skin tube, where any action on the penile shaft is transferred to act on the erogenous Taylor's Ridged Band and through its loop to the Frenulum, this action it transferred to act on the erogenous Frenulum, together the male's sexual nexus. No action on the shaft is wasted on these sexual structures.
Circumcision always removes all of the erogenous Taylor's Ridged Band and part to all of it's connecting Frenulum. Having this hangman's noose of the male's sexual receptors missing, no longer keeps the whole of the penile Dartos muscle tense. With tension gone, all action on the erect penile shaft is wasted to act on the Ridged Band and Frenulum. Action must be applied directly to the Frenulum remnant, if any remains. Meaning the intact man has his whole penile skin area to activate the erogenous receptors whereas in the circumcised if lucky has just the short narrow string, the frenulum remnant, and scarred and keratinized glands coronal erogenous receptors.

>Circumcision cuts off 65%-85% of the male's sexual receptors (85% when the frenulum is cut or scraped off infant). This leaves 15% sexual receptors located in the glans corona where it's overpowered by the more populous pain/thermal receptors, ratio 5% to 95%. It is this case that men report "If I felt anymore sensitivity, I think I would die of a heart attack!" (Larry David) Circumcision changes the way, means, and type of sensations felt. Circumcision sexually handicaps.

kevinadvocate
kevinadvocate

Confusing headline. Does the author deny that circumcision is genital cutting?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

It's a FELONY to Mutilate a Girl's Genitals ... but common practice to Mutilate a Boy's Genitals.


Talk about Gender Inequality!


TLCTugger
TLCTugger

NOT ONE national medical association on earth endorses routine circumcision.  Most of the world does not circumcise.  

CO medicaid ALREADY covers infant procedures WHEN they are medically indicated.  The impending proposal would be adding COSMETIC surgery to the public budget.  The crime of it is that the person affected for life would
have no say.  Hundreds of thousand of men are enduring non-surgical foreskin restoration to undo some of the sexual damage of circumcision.  

Circumcision alters sex dramatically.  Foreskin feels REALLY good.  Only the patient has the ethical standing to request amputation of healthy parts.  

MoritheMohel
MoritheMohel

Lol no special care or cleaning?  I know people who are not circumcised, the smegma build up is routine and requires routine cleaning with soap not just a rinse of hot water.  Oy. 

vegetasgrrrl
vegetasgrrrl

Numerous studies prove that circumcision is healthier. In fact, almost every study out there proves the benefits of circumcision. Everything from The Whole Network is lies and deceit.

Yes, it is proven to be better to be circumcised, but NO I do not think every boy should be. If you don't want it, I don't think we should make you. So likewise, don't prevent me from having it done on my sons.

jackoper
jackoper

CO should not pay to violate the human rights of its new citizens. 


The parts that are cut off the MALE are some of the most highly innervated parts of the human. A whole range of sensation and sexual and protective function are lost. The lips, fingertips and nipples have similar touch sense. To take this away from another person without their consent is heinous. To do this to a newborn baby is creepy, child abuse and a human rights VIOLATION.

EVERY HUMAN (male and female) has the RIGHT (a human right) to reach adulthood with all of the tissue (particularly all of their erogenous tissue) that THEIR genetic code provides.


Forced genital cutting needs to END.

EPAM
EPAM

@WillieStortz Excuse me, Willie,  but your remark is typical of the provincial and ignorant mindset of so many Americans on this subject.  For your information , Afghani sheep herders are all circumcised because they are Muslim.  In fact, 70% of all the men in the world who are circumcised are that way because they are Muslims.  No European nation, including those with sexual health statistics far better than those of the predominantly circumcised United States, has ever practiced circumcision.

koffeewitch
koffeewitch

@ItWasThereAMinuteAgo  I love your honesty about the reasons..but YES it is quite barbaric and a sick society, indeed.  If only women could realize that the foreskin has many advantages for women sexually, as well as for men.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@kevinadvocate  ... Michael Roberts couldn't write an accurate, honest headline if his foreskin were on the chopping block.



koffeewitch
koffeewitch

@MoritheMohel Who cleans mucous membranes with soap?  Maybe you cut guys do that, but the natural penis is self-cleaning and just needs water.

tora227
tora227

@MoritheMohel As a mohel, unless you live in a part of the world which does nt routinely circumcise (85% of men in the world are intact), and as a circumcised man, how would YOU know how routine cleaning is done with an intact penis? You don't, you are guessing. The smegma build up is routine, over time and is easily cleaned with a rinse of warm water. Since women have 3 times the amount of smegma as men and most still have a foreskin, I can safely say that I know many people who are not circumcised and that a rinse in the shower or bath is all that is needed to clean the genitals, be they a penis or a vulva.


dolores10
dolores10

@MoritheMohel  Both males and females need to wash their bodies.  Whether or not a person's genitals are cut apart, those genitals still require cleaning.  

adam0cornish
adam0cornish

@MoritheMohel

I seriously doubt your credibility, when you say smegma buildup is routine.

I rinse, I don't use soap, and haven't seen smegma since I was 4.  I am in my 60s.

Few women use soap on their vulvas, for the same reason, it can irritate mucous membranes.  Women produce lots more smegma than men.  If this was really a problem, there would be a lot of sexual gossip about hygiene.  There isn't.  European men and women have few taboos about oral sex.  What does that tell you?

adam0cornish
adam0cornish

@MoritheMohel

Do you know them well enough, to know that routine rinsing with water is not enough to keep them clean?

I don't use soap in my mucous membranes, and neither does my wife.  No complaints from either of us, in 40+ years.

Sorry your job is threatened by the conversation, but what you say is simply not true.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MoritheMohel  


    Herpes Infected Mohel Kills Infant after Sucking Penis Blood



http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618


New York City is investigating the death last September of a baby who contracted herpes after a "ritual circumcision with oral suction," in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish ceremony known in Hebrew as metzitzah b'peh.


In a practice that takes place during a ceremony known as the bris, a circumcision practitioner, or mohel, removes the foreskin from the baby's penis, and with his mouth sucks the blood from the incision to cleanse the wound.

Freedom101
Freedom101

@MoritheMohel My understanding is that if you use soap, it can cause infection, such as yeast.  It would be like cleaning the inside of your vagina with soap.  The bodily fluids are there for a purpose, and only water should be used on the inside of the foreskin.

natalieyoungblood
natalieyoungblood

How is that any harder than washing an circumcised penis? And you should never retact a baby or child foreskin! Its still fused to the glans and when they can retact it themselves then THEY can start cleaning it

koffeewitch
koffeewitch

@vegetasgrrrl Uh...NO.  Out of dozens and dozens of studies, 3 talk about the benefits.  3 that are funded by people with economic interests in developing circumcision.  And even if circ. were healthier, let's assume you''re right about that...how about we let the person decide for themselves whether they want the surgery.  Cutting the genitals of children, male or female, is WRONG.

ml66uk
ml66uk

@vegetasgrrrl  These medical organizations all seem to disagree.

Canadian Paediatric Society

http://www.cps.ca/en/documents/position/circumcision 

"Recommendation: Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed."


http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/handouts/circumcision 

"Circumcision is a 'non-therapeutic' procedure, which means it is not medically necessary."

"After reviewing the scientific evidence for and against circumcision, the CPS does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn boys. Many paediatricians no longer perform circumcisions."


Royal Australasian College of Physicians

http://www.racp.edu.au/index.cfm?objectid=65118B16-F145-8B74-236C86100E4E3E8E 

"After reviewing the currently available evidence, the RACP believes that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand."

(almost all the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was about 90%.  "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia.)


British Medical Association

http://bma.org.uk/-/media/Files/PDFs/Practical%20advice%20at%20work/Ethics/Circumcision.pdf

"to circumcise for therapeutic reasons where medical research has shown other techniques to be at least as effective and less invasive would be unethical and inappropriate."


The Royal Dutch Medical Association

http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Diensten/knmgpublicaties/KNMGpublicatie/Nontherapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-2010.htm

"The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children's rights to autonomy and physical integrity."


http://www.crin.org/resources/infodetail.asp?id=31830

"[30 September 2013] - At a meeting today in Oslo, the children's ombudspersons from the five Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland), and the children's spokesperson from Greenland, in addition to representatives of associations of Nordic paediatricians and pediatric surgeons, have agreed to work with their respective national governments to achieve a ban on non-therapeutic circumcision of underage boys."


German Pediatric Association

http://www.intactamerica.org/german_pediatrics_statement

(very long, but very much against circumcision, and includes the following)

"Therefore it is not understandable that circumcision of boys should be allowed but that of girls prohibited worldwide. Male circumcision is basically comparable with FGM types Ia and Ib that the Schafi Islamic school of law supports"


http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896.abstract

"The other claimed health benefits, including protection against HIV/AIDS, genital herpes, genital warts, and penile cancer, are questionable, weak, and likely to have little public health relevance in a Western context, and they do not represent compelling reasons for surgery before boys are old enough to decide for themselves."

(Written in direct response to the AAP's position statement on male circumcision, and signed by 38 senior physicians, about half of them presidents or chairs of national paediatric or urological organisations).

adam0cornish
adam0cornish

@vegetasgrrrl

You are mistaken.  Europeans don't routinely circumcise, and their rates of sexually transmitted diseases, and problems of the genitals, are substantially lower than Americans.  Even American studies, by the Navy, and in a clinic in Puerto Rico, show no benefit to circumcision, when it comes to health.

Are these lies?

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22897699

 http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA458066

"There appears to be no clear pattern of association between male circumcision and HIV prevalence. In 8 of 18 countries with data, as expected, HIV prevalence is lower among circumcised men, while in the remaining 10 countries HIV prevalence is higher among circumcised men".

 http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/CR22/CR22.pdf

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@vegetasgrrrl  "So likewise, don't prevent me from having it done on my sons."


Funny, inbred Neanderthals make the same argument with regards to Female Genital Mutilation.




frankmcginness
frankmcginness

@vegetasgrrrl Please bear with me. I'm not attacking as I see it, just because you can bear boys does not give you privilege to own their bodies, taking away their right to own all their body. You obviously think it okay to cut off part of someone's body without their permission and without medical need. In other words, it's all about you.  This is selfish. you're taking away their ability for multi orgasms seeing it cuts off 65%-85% of the male fine-touch sexual receptors. please google 'foreskin bio industry' to see the money being made just on foreskins, yes they are valuable, even more so to the owner of the penis. These foreskin fibroblasts are stem cells that would at puberty turn into the male's sexual receptors. This is why the industry wants the youngest and most valuable foreskins because they have more stem cells, blasts. All this information is available on the net and so your sons will know eventually. Circumcision is the original body dysmorphia. Is this what you want to teach your sons, that their penis wasn't good enough? whenwill you tell them their penis is good and fixed? You're not giving, you're taking away. See Foregen.org  I chose circumcision and know it to be the worse.

Freedom101
Freedom101

@vegetasgrrrl You do not own your sons.  They are in your charge to nourish them, and guide them to be responsible adults, where THEY will make the choices about their own bodies.  Even though it is common practice, it still is not right for the parents to make this kind of choice for their sons (or daughters).  If your son grows up and doesn't want it, what are you going to do??? You can never undo it.

Oh, and the studies about it being healthier really don't hold any water.  Such as trying to say that it prevents HIV when HIV has a much higher rate in the US where circ is higher, than in Europe, where circ is practically non-existent.

natalieyoungblood
natalieyoungblood

How is it healthier to have a open wound in a diaper with urine and poop? A baby has a better chance of having complications from circumcision than to ever need one! His body his choice!

Mike
Mike

@DonkeyHotay Great that you've created yet another alt, but the only reason you're not for this is because you like licking the filth from under the foreskin as you felate the young boys.

Darren
Darren

@Freedom101 @MoritheMohel  Great have fun with your smelly cock's then sheesh.  And Natalie, you don't have a penis stop giving advice on how to clean one.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Mike "Great that you've created yet another alt"


You really are dumber than a bucket of dirt, aren't you boy?



natalieyoungblood
natalieyoungblood

@Darren having two sons I believe its important I know and maybe you shouldn't talk about intact penises because apparently you don't have one.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@adam0cornish  Cornish - you appear to be an oversensitive twit.  You must be a liberal. Go have a good cry and get over yourself.   

adam0cornish
adam0cornish

@Mike @natalieyoungblood

Mike, you are one rude, crude, bigoted, defensive, insecure guy.  You have no idea what a whole penis is like, and how easy and fun they are the whole two seconds it takes to wash one. Why all the hate, towards both genders?

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