Are the homeless ruining brunch for Ballpark neighborhood yuppies?

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John Wayne Claybaugh
John Wayne Claybaugh

The most hilarious part of all of this was when someone whom I'm friends with who has a low paying job because in this economy that's all he can find was standing with me at the Lawrence shelter (DRML, if you only put DRM you are misinforming the public. DRM is way more than just DRML). We heard someone yell from a car, "Get A Job" and then we were both hit with eggs. I had been working for pay that week as well. My friend wasn't even homeless! DRML serves more people than just the homeless! Also, if it were up to DRM, DRML would have been rebuilt across the street and would have had lots more beds. How about someone do the research as to why that didn't happen?

John Wayne Claybaugh
John Wayne Claybaugh

Most of the comments here are so ridiculous it makes me want to puke. The 700 beds at 9th ave. wouldn't do much of anything. We have way more people experiencing homelessness in this city than 700. Learn the truth about homelessness before you allow manure to escape your mouth.

Haven Holmes
Haven Holmes

Oh boy, I want to take part in insulting people who don't agree with me! That's the best to create solutions and get people to agree with you.

Lynn Stiles
Lynn Stiles

You all chose to move into the " piss" smelling hood. AFTER they were already there. What did you tell yourselves to make it ok when you moved into their space? This is America! If you don't like the hood, move!

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

Honestly guys thanks for the comments and the convos-

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

Devin Jackal SixtySeven- Not sure what to make of your comment. I grew up in the neighborhood. I attended parochial school in that neighborhood. I feel like this community like many other low income communities; are often the forgotten neighborhoods. Which is functioning part of the city Denver. It is still a functional part of the city and people do actually have families in these areas. I agree with you on that Gentrification and crime rates; but it is still happening. I just have one question: when these small forgotten communities are torn down to build (gentrify) where does ever one think these families go?

Sean Nallen
Sean Nallen

They are a nuisance to everyone not just yuppies. Walk Down Town and have 30 different homeless people ask you for money or weed is just the best

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

Sorry about that, that comment was way buried in the thread when I posted it. I didn't know what you were referencing, that comment about ending services to eliminate homelessness was totally absurd.

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

Nick Bishop- you stated I sounded like an idiot etc.. I was simply explaining your points questions you asked in your post. Plus I'm pretty sure I made it clear I practice what I preach. Which I do not believe it is garbage but the next time I need parenting advice I will make sure and ask someone whom's opinion I trust. I do not have another way to explain to you that my solution is very simple: My goal in life is to change the world. And to be a better person than I was yesterday. How do I do this? I look first to myself, what can I change to be happy then I look at my surroundings. That is why I am involved and that is how change works. I was not defensive I am blunt and honest.

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

Tush, it was just a question, no need to get defensive about it or begin name calling or passing judgement about what I do for a living. I sincerely hope you're not passing that garbage along to your son, because it is at odds with the rest of your message, which is positive. The question was posed simply to see if you practice what you preach. Not everyone in commercial real estate is out to remake the map, many of us scrape by trying to earn a living like everyone else and try to do good work for our clients helping grow small business. Trust me, no one knows the effects of rapid growth on small businesses trying to find space in a hot market better than the tenant broker and small business owner. My point was that the references in the social media post have no content related to people complaining about the homeless, it claims as much by referencing the BNA article and citing hearsay, but the BNA perspective presents a much more workable solution than the City's approach to "hide the problem". There may be a few that complain about the homeless, but if that's the entire focus of the media, nothing good comes of it. My point was that instead of taking a tough look at the solution to the problem of homelessness, the posting slipped into the all too familiar (by Westword standards) of inciting outrage instead of taking a hard look at the best solutions to the problem which are pretty evident when you look at the two proposed solutions. When the media plays to the lowest common denominator no one wins and it makes the problem worse by obscuring the issue and fueling hate. No one should be "blamed" for gentrification, it takes two to tango in real estate market, you wouldn't see gentrification if the sellers didn't think they would have better prospects by selling instead of continuing to invest in the neighborhood. Just as much blame (if not more) for "selling out the neighborhood" resides with the sellers as the developers. Keep in mind that just as the market rises, so it falls and just as neighborhoods "progress" they also "regress" all it takes is time. Hope to see you in the serving line at the DRM sometime.

Marie Angela Gunn-Redfeather
Marie Angela Gunn-Redfeather

wow not all homeless are bad some were money making people just like you all maybe you would have a better attitude if you walked in their shoes quit complaining just be thankful for what YOU got you could have it worse and who knows in the future you could be without the way this world is going

Daniel J. King IV
Daniel J. King IV

Awwhhh, the Poor Yuppies in their Subaru's and Land Rovers...

Mane Rok
Mane Rok

Mr. Elliot, 1. The pseudonym-while stupid to you-is just my stage name. Feel free to come see me at a show if you'd like-Westword covers a lot of my work (in fact I'm in this years Showcase again). Feel free to criticize the name, my work or whatever...but regardless, good job on being juvenile...and please remember to be brave enough (since you have no issue calling me cowardly) all the same, if you do come, to introduce yourself. 2. You didn't have to bring up ethnicity-it's easily recognizable in this case and others where gentrification is obviously making headway (whether we are speaking of the North Side aka the Highlands, Baker or even what's about to happen with Swansea/Elyria.) That doesn't make me a hypocrite in any way-that means I'm recognizing, as a native of Denver, what has been happening since I was a kid. As for the issue at hand, when I speak of "privilege" in regards to yourself and others who obviously see themselves as the folks "with the means, the motive and the opportunity to improve the neighborhood" (Refers to statement about "messiah complex",) where in the entire fuck where you "saviors" when the neighborhood was majority Black and Brown?? Did these problems (which as a Mr Bishop pointed out above have been around for about 50 years in this neighborhood) mean nothing then? Were they not problems at all because at that time they belonged exclusively to "that" community??? Now that YOU and THESE BUSINESSES have moved in, they SUDDENLY seem to be a problem at large. So, from what I surmise, that in fact makes you the hypocrite sir. Because "turning a blind eye toward it" is exactly what the City, you and all these other folks that 'now' have an issue with this have done...for 50 fucking years. 3. I don't have a solution and I never claimed to. I have many thoughts about this regarding the situation and possible solutions, but like many others, I don't have a solid one because homelessness has many more far reaching factors that need to be worked on-it's not just a "one and done" type thing. But if I do know anything, I know looking down my nose at these people, name calling people who call you out for doing/saying such ignorant shit aint a solution either, sir. Devin: I do see a trend. Blighted neighborhoods facing gentrification or going through it, are doing just that. As you have an 'upper' class taking over land of a lower 'class,' there's a war. Those with less are resorting to petty crimes and to hurting themselves because there aren't many other options. But regarding said gentrification, this is one of the smartest things anyone has said about it "Cleaning up the area does not require gentrification, and avoiding gentrification does not mean letting it further devolve.""

Jena LiVecchi
Jena LiVecchi

How are you so certain that only the homeless are responsible for this behavior in the area?

John Elliott
John Elliott

There's a vast, vast difference between not like a person and not liking their behavior. Pretty sure that people don't like the behavior - drug dealing, panhandling, public defecation/urination, public intoxication to the point of being passed out on any horizontal surface available, robberies, assaults, rapes, etc. Or are you just fine and dandy with all of those things?

John Elliott
John Elliott

"Tush Jones" - you apparently don't understand the term 'Manifest Destiny' and given your words in this and other posts, you're just a closet racist waiting to blame anyone not just like you for the problems in the neighborhood...

Wesley Honegger
Wesley Honegger

So there I was, eating a $150 lunch when this stinky homeless guy hits me up for change, said he was hungry. I called the cops and sent him to jail. Free food and board. You're welcome homeless guy.

John Elliott
John Elliott

"Mane Rok" (what a fucking stupid pseudonym, since you're too cowardly to post under a real name)...I'm pretty goddamned sure I NEVER brought up anyone's ethnicity in any of my statements - not once. If anyone has a racism issue, it's you, who label anything you perceive as negative as a "white thing", more or less. That makes YOU the solutionless hypocrite...

John Elliott
John Elliott

No, Jason Wagner...it's about this CITY and ALL of its inhabitants, which you and others seem to blatantly ignore. Do we need better services and solutions to the problem of homelessness? Yes. Do you, and all of the other fucking morons bitching about "yuppies" and "white privilege" need to realize that the people you're bitching about are taking huge risks bringing locally owned businesses and becoming residents of this area? Absolutely. I guarantee you that no one - the homeless, the residents, the business owners, their employees - wants to put up with ANY of this shit. But turning a blind eye toward it and pissing on those with the means, the motive and the opportunity to improve the neighborhood for EVERYONE is no way to get any solution other than to prove "how much more you care" and how much of an activist you want others to see you be. The real fix IS NOT continuing to clap stupid additions onto an already overtaxed and underperforming building such as the DRM. The REAL fix is to identify current city commercial or large-scale stock available and PURPOSE-BUILD a solution. There is NONE of this in the Ballpark Neighborhood, the current DRM location included. We know this directly from the DRM, which already tells us every winter that they do not have enough bed capacity or enough service capacity for all of the constituents they serve. So, you know, let's spend the best part of $10 million on a day use, outdoor, walled off courtyard to hide the homeless instead of invest that $10 million in revamping and revitalizing a building in RiNo (where large-scale commercial buildings exist), along Brighton Blvd (same building stock available) or at the old University Hospital Complex on 9th & Colorado.

Adam Aedro Drotar
Adam Aedro Drotar

Theodore why don't you do us a favor and become a bum, catch syphilis and die the smelly, burdening, piece of shit drain on society that you are.

Jason Wagner
Jason Wagner

Smells like piss, used condoms. No way that could be Lodo Partiers.

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

Denver Westword stupid? These are real issues happening around the city? My guess would be that words like Gentrification and Privilege are a bit touchy? Manifest Destiny and superiority in full effect...

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

P.s. I read the article but I can see how my post can tick you off being a real estate broker and all!

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

I volunteer on a daily basis all around my city for not just the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless but for so many organizations including non-profit; all over the city. I'm a master volunteer. I PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH! I also make my son volunteer all over with me. So he can see first hand how Gentrification and other issues around his city affect him and his people and culture!!!! FYI Nick Bishop!

Jaci Davis
Jaci Davis

Wtf would yoy buy and live within 2 miles of all the homeless shelters then complain it. Money kills brain cells and good Realtors talk you ouf of more mobey than a car sell man and make you buy in the hood and hope its all good.

Mane Rok
Mane Rok

I wasn't talking about the blog post genius---the first part of my comment says specifically "Re: Comment on Story." Thanks for reading.

Mane Rok
Mane Rok

1. Since you seem to know so much about the "crimes" in the area, it'd be nice if you provided some numbers to your claim of under reporting, and compared those to the other portions of the city, you know, to give us perspective. 2. Referring to addicts and those who are obviously in a shitty situation as "shitbags" points to the larger failure of our society as a whole: viewing someone's value--life's value, if you will--as simply numerical. This "messiah complex", that pumping in money and the people with it as though that's a fix to the problem since it "fixes" the area doesn't take in to account the ACTUAL problems at hand. It's obvious the City's first mistake was doing just that; pumping money to further gentrification...because turning things 'white' has always been America's answer. They should've dealt with the homeless/drug issue first and foremost. But here we are, with "opposing" classes, so of course those with the most money and leisure time are going to win the fight for what's "right" for the neighborhood as opposed to "doing" what's right. "Fixing" the neighborhood to suit the wants of the privileged who's only thought when purchasing condo's in the area was "Wow! I can buy low and sell high...once we move out the homeless" as opposed to doing our best to "fix" the real problems in the neighborhood which is the drugs etc are two different things. The first is more akin to the idea of saying "My engine on my car sounds fucked up, so I'm just gonna turn the music up so I don't hear it." So as well written as your rant is, doesn't make you less of an ass (because yes, kicking people while they are down indeed makes you an ass.)

John Elliott
John Elliott

Aaron McMurray - here's a proposal. Relocate ALL shelter and mission services to the mothballed 9th & Colorado University Hospital campus. 700+ beds, VA hospital, medical & mental health facilities via Rose Medical Center and associated clinics, on a main artery with high public transportation traffic, large open areas available for outdoor facilities that can be walled/protected from dealers & gang members, large facilities to be reworked into job training and service provision facilities. Total reopening and retooling of that facility could probably be done for well under the $8.6 million proposed to build the walled courtyard at the DRM. Of course, all of you close - suburbanite and trustifarian fuck yards wouldn't want your Trader Joe's, Starbucks and Bar Car experience sullied, so you'll decry this and gnash your teeth about idiotic reasons to keep the Ballpark Neighborhood as the city's open sewer and central drug trafficking district.

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

When was the last time you volunteered to help the homeless? For someone against complaining, there sure is a lot of complaining in this post. No one is complaining about this. If you read the blog post, the Ballpark Neighbors want strategies to END HOMELESSNESS, not building a day shelter to keep them out of sight during the day. Point your outrage at the City, and read the actual article before you comment. You make yourself sound like an idiot.

Tai Kahn
Tai Kahn

Are you still trolling this bullshit.

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

Actually the Ballpark Neighbors Association proposal was to develop strategies to END HOMELESSNESS such as job programs and housing stipends instead of building a day shelter to corral them off the street during the day which is what the City has proposed. Read the blog post, you're making yourself look as stupid as Denver Westword

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

Actually the Ballpark Neighborhood Association had a pretty good suggestion, don't hide them, find ways to get them work and apartments. Read the blog post before you comment, makes you sound stupid.

Nick Bishop
Nick Bishop

Meanwhle, Denver Westword completely ignores the content of the Ballpark Neighbors Association approach (which reasonably seeks a more well rounded comprehensive approach than hiding them behind a 10 foot wall and calls for substantive services to END HOMELESSNESS not hide it). Instead they post inflammatory social media posts that insinuate that people are upset about brunch being ruined (and referencing their article about all the great restaurants in the area), while ignoring the actual substance of the claims or comments. Denver Westword continues to ignore the greater gentrification issues such as racist flyers cropping up all over North Denver. All you're really good for is the music section, happy to finally get this off my facebook, grow a brain Westword, you're losing touch.

Aaron McMurray
Aaron McMurray

You people are utterly amazing. Where are the homeless supposed to go?? Not one of you fucking idiots has given any kind of suggestion of that..... You just going to murder them all? Get a grip you pathetic people!

Sher Quintana
Sher Quintana

To bad yuppies!! The homelss were there first!

Blazar Seeda
Blazar Seeda

GOOD It's called living in the inner city. Deal with it. Screw your brinch go to cherry creek .

Septimius Prime
Septimius Prime

Seriously! When I was kid growing up on cap hill, you only went down to that neighborhood to vandalize, do crime or get mugged? Not saying that's how its hould stay, but fuck gentrification!

Tyler Travis
Tyler Travis

The protesters are more obnoxious than the hobos or the yuppies.

John Elliott
John Elliott

No one gives a shit about brunch. What most normal people DO care about is walking through shit, piss, crack pipes and used condoms every fucking morning and night going to/from work. They give a shit about being accosted, aggressively, by crack, meth and herein dealers every 30 feet when they're walking their dogs or taking out trash. They give a shit about the (largely reporting- suppressed) assaults, rapes and hold - ups at gun or knife point in the parking lots, by the old Ravenbrick building, by Ireland's Finest Painting and walking by the boxcars sculpture. They give a shit about coming out to find their cars broken into for whatever valuables there might be to feed addicts' drug habits. They give a shit about walking outside at any time of day or night to find come crack whore fucking or blowing a drug dealer or random shitbag for drug money. The "homeless problem" isn't about some douchebag brunch - it's about finally fixing and lifting up a neighborhood that almost literally has been pissed and shit upon by this city for 40 years, and about NOT preserving and growing Denver's skid row. Finally, no, the homeless, dealers, whores and criminals have NOT always been in the neighborhood. Up until about 1967-68, the neighborhood still had decent local businesses, local residents in apartments or some single - family homes, and wasn't piled high with drug-addicted shitbags. That all started to change around 1973-74, with the "death spiral" happening in the late 70s/early 80s as this crap spread up from what is now LoDo and across from the train tracks. The downtown will never grow, expand, thrive economically or offer maximum value (quality of living wise) as long as massive numbers of criminals, addicts and yes, homeless, turn the neighborhood into an open air sewer and drug market. THAT'S what people give a shit about, and what the City of Denver needs to address in what it continues to permit, build and support there.

Tush Jones
Tush Jones

What people do not realize is they moved into their neighborhood! If they want change, change! Change starts within you! If you don't like the homeless here's a hint volunteer around your city that you chose to move into. Don't complain cause you bought a million dollar cracker-jack made condo by the plat river where the homeless sleep! God forbid you have to see "homeless" while carrying out GENTRIFICATION! Colorado has an atrocious amount of homeless compared to most of the nation. What does that say about us? Or you? You move here from another state and you bitch and complain about the homeless- well do something about it! Besides complaining about the homeless not being productive? Especially when you're doing the same BEING A COMPLAINING UNPRODUCTIVE PERSON !!!

Chandler Smith
Chandler Smith

no you wouldn't...and then when you don't get in that night, (or worse you do and take a bed from someone) are you going to sleep out in crack alley with everyone? or go back to your warm apartment?

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