Marijuana: Could Colorado Springs Approve 26 Percent Tax on Recreational Pot?

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Colorado Springs voters could decide whether to allow recreational cannabis sales in the city next April -- if, that is, pro-pot and anti-pot city leaders can find some common ground first. Recreational cannabis sales are currently banned in the Springs because of a city council vote last year, but in recent months councilwoman Jill Gaebler has been working to get a measure on the April 2015 ballot that would give voters the chance to repeal that ban. Her goal was to have council approve the proposal on August 11; if it failed then, she said, the public would still have time to collect enough signatures for a citizen initiative.

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But two weeks ago, when the measure was brought up at a city council meeting, councilman Keith King threw a wrench in the works by demanding a 10 percent special city tax be included in the proposal. The tax would come on top of the 10 percent special state sales tax, the regular 2.9 percent state sales tax, the 1.23 percent El Paso County tax and the existing 2.5 percent Colorado Springs sales tax, bringing the total to more than 26 percent tax on a bag of herb.

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Councilman Keith King.
With high prices on recreational cannabis due to price gouging and burdensome special taxes becoming such a concern that even lawmakers can't ignore it, King's proposal could likely have a chilling effect on recreational sales if Colorado Springs voters approve them.

Gaebler asked city attorney David Andrews to draft a measure in time for the meeting this past Monday, August 25 -- but that was too tight of a deadline, it seems. Last night, Andrews came back to council and asked for guidance. His questions: Did the council want one proposal for voters that ties recreational sales and taxes together or two that separate the issues? And if the latter is the preferred option, do the two measures still tie together or could recreational sales pass without the tax question being approved?

The move irked King, who said he was frustrated with the delays, and other members agreed, since they mean there'll be less time for a citizen initiative to gain steam. "Now we kicked it down the road," Miller told the Colorado Springs Jill GaeblerGazette. "The whole reason was to give citizens time. Now we have cheated them out of two weeks."

Andrews will now have to ready draft measures for the September 9 council meeting. If one or both of them fail to get approved, that would mean voters have fewer than six months to get the nearly 20,000 signatures needed to put the measure on the April 7 ballot.

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muhutdafuga
muhutdafuga topcommenter

Nanny state conservatives just love those big taxes on anyone other than their rich corporate cultmasters.

Stephanie Sarad
Stephanie Sarad

Good! the only people that go to rec stores are either stupid or from out of state.

Kevin Lawson
Kevin Lawson

recreational pot is a cancer on what used to be a great industry

Kendall Young
Kendall Young

Also what Rebecca Repp said. I've never been to a rec shop. Nor Will I probably ever when my growers beyond their top shelf anyways. So I say fuck the tourists haha

Kendall Young
Kendall Young

You know C springs sucks when the rest of Colorado hates C springs

Matt Leising
Matt Leising

Basically, Colorado Springs wants organizations like the cartel to still thrive obviously...

Steven M Palmer
Steven M Palmer

Burger King doesn't want to pay 35% tax and moves to Canada and the Left calls them "unpatriotic." Can the same thing be said of pot buyers who don't want to pay the tax? Dwell on that thought over your next bowl...

Rebecca Repp
Rebecca Repp

Nobody that lives here will buy their pot from the retail store. They will keep getting it from their source that they do now. This is for the tourists that come here. That's how it is in denver too and no locals buy their weed from the retail shops up there.

Reign Peace
Reign Peace

Hypocracy at it's finest, not surprised by this. The only way CS can afford to pay for all the misdeeds it has committed against it's lower income citizens, is to make them pay.

Melissa Durgin
Melissa Durgin

Makes sense. Conservatives tend to say they hate all taxes but most will approve vice taxes. Plus, like everyone, they like what taxes pay for.

Eric Frees
Eric Frees

If we got tourist advertising out there we could just shame the Springs. "Come enjoy recreational liberty in beaitiful Colorado, accept for Colorado Springs"

Steve Fesch
Steve Fesch

Keith king sounds like a complete idiot. Yes that will drive sales right back underground.

Cindy Kleh
Cindy Kleh

Stupid. Now everyone in CS will drive somewhere else to buy pot. And CS needs those tax revenues badly!

Douglas Evans
Douglas Evans

26% tax. .. What a fucking joke. That's robbery. .... sorry greedy ass suits. When does the revolution start already?

Pheenix Wonder
Pheenix Wonder

Greedy much, as if the taxes aren't already rolling in....

meesterbig
meesterbig

26% is a good start... the dopers must pay their fair share.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

The Fascists of Colorado Springs behave very much like the Collaborationists of Denver; both act against the will of the People to loot the regulated market in cannabis -- for the benefit only of the black market and prohibitionist pigs!

pueblogrow
pueblogrow

BREAKING NEWS

BREAKING NEWS

CONSPIRACY AFOOT?

Dear Human Being,


It seems some evil doers are trying to add language to the Colorado state marijuana regulations that SPECIFICALLY PUNISH GREENHOUSE AND OUTDOOR CANNABIS GROWERS!



CALL YOUR SENATOR, CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN, CALL THE POLICE!!!!


This SEPTEMBER 2, 2014 there is a hearing scheduled in Denver that you MUST attend if you are in any way concerned about the earth, the environment, oppression, the American dream, the marijuana industry or people trying to manipulate the law to their own benefit.



Public Comment Hearing September 2, 2014

8:00 AM - 5:00 PM

Old Supreme Court Chambers

State Capitol Building

200 E. Colfax Ave., Room 220

Denver, CO 80203


In the NEW PROPOSED REGULATIONS greenhouse owners are SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWED TO REQUEST HIGH PLANT COUNTS. The special plant count extension would be reserved only for WAREHOUSE GROWERS in an attempt to protect their territory and their massive antiquated, dirty, indoor, pollution machines.  They will railroad us if you don't stand with us on Tuesday. 



Please read this:


5. Application for Additional Plants.

c. A Retail Marijuana Store THAT OPERATES AN INDOOR CULTIVATION THAT IS NOT A GREENHOUSE OR SIMILAR STRUCTURE may apply to the Division for a waiver of the plant limit described in paragraph E(3) of this rule....


That means ONLY WAREHOUSES CAN HAVE HIGHER PLANT COUNTS. You're not going to stand by and watch this travesty of justice take place are you? You're going to get involved and come to the meeting, right?


STOP PROTECTIONIST SCHEMES, CALL YOUR SENATOR, CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN, CALL THE POLICE!!!!



http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Rev-MMJ/CBON/1251592984795


Proposed Medical Marijuana Rules for September 2, 2014 Hearing



Public Comment Hearing September 2, 2014

8:00 AM - 5:00 PM

Old Supreme Court Chambers

State Capitol Building

200 E. Colfax Ave., Room 220

Denver, CO 80203



In the document there are 4 specific places "greenhouses" are mentioned. 

E. 5. C. 1. (Page 16) Discusses not allowing an additional plant count waiver if you operate a greenhouse.

B. 1. (Page 17) Discusses limiting the plant count to 3600 if you operate a greenhouse.

B. 1. (Page 17) Discusses limiting the plant count to 1800 if you are new and operate a greenhouse.

C. 1. (Page 18) Discusses not allowing a plant count waiver if you operate a greenhouse.


All of these NEWLY ADDED CLAUSES are specifically designed to punish people who use any type of natural lighting and rewards those who choose to reproduce mother nature by burning very inefficient high powered sodium lights that put out more heat than light.  Guess what they do with the heat they produce?  They run giant Air Conditioners!


This is a direct attack on the forward thinking marijuana growers who are trying to reduce their carbon footprint and actually become carbon CONSUMERS.  This is a protectionist scheme by parties who prefer to burn cheap coal over embracing nature.  Please help us, we can't get this message out fast enough.  By the time you read this it may already be going on TUESDAY 9/2!



(Sorry for the late notice but This is so important that the "DENVER INDOOR PROTECTIONISTS" are trying to ram this down our throats after the long holiday in an attempt to catch us off guard).


Don't stand by, STOP THEM ON TUESDAY.


P L E A S E   P L E A S E   P L E A S E   PASS THIS ON!!!!

pueblogrow
pueblogrow

You are a cancer on what used to be an intelligent neighborhood.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Matt Leising <== works for the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

... or in Ted Haggard's case -- Mega Meth Churches.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

You would seem to be determinedly ignorant of the facts regarding the unconstitutional taxes Gov. Hack and the General Assembly imposed on the regulated market in cannabis.


Boycott Burger King!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

¡Viva El Mercado Negro!  

muhutdafuga
muhutdafuga topcommenter

Conservatives are hypocrites. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Eric Frees ""Come enjoy recreational liberty in beaitiful [sic] Colorado, accept [sic] for Colorado Springs"


or Come enjoy the Stoner Illiteracy in Colorado.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

If King's friends are the prohibitionist filth ensconced in law enforcement and DA's offices, then driving sales back underground is exactly what he wants.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

... when ignorant fucktards like you get smart enough to READ and comprehend what you actually vote for.


muhutdafuga
muhutdafuga topcommenter

Just vote out all conservatives.  America is better every time a conservative loses.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

-- into the Marijuana Tax Cash Fund, which can only be spent trying to salvage Prohibition, not on schools, or anything else Colorado needs or wants!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@meesterbig ... the stoners did claim marijuana would generate a BAZILLION $$$ and make the state RICH !!



fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@RobertChase


Gosh bobbie, good thing for you that blowing the donkey boy is still free.

(Well free is relative since he has a rotted dick from AIDS.)  

No Fascists or Collaborationists  to stop you, so you can SUCK all your little heart desires.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RobertChase ... Proposition AA passed by a LANDSLIDE!


The People have Spoken! -- Tax the SHIT out of it !!



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@pueblogrow ... you clueless fool -- it's Mike Elliot and his "Marijuana Industry Group" -- MIG -- Cartel of a handful of closely owned self-serving Big $$ Dispensaries are Lobbying FOR said restrictions upon their Competitors ... as they have done for years even since they convinced the politicians -- and clueless stoners -- that they represented the "industry". 


This is no different than McDonalds asking for special legislation that outlaws flame-broiling of hamburgers.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RobertChase "regarding the unconstitutional [sic] taxes"


That were OVERWHELMINGLY passed by the VOTERS !!

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 35% of voters opposed Proposition AA -- you have no reason to suppose that Douglas wasn't one of them!

numberonedad7311
numberonedad7311

@RobertChase Show the facts! I live in Colorado and I can clearly see that our economy is booming since the legalization of marijuana. 90% of our roads are being fixed right now! People like you said that the usage of pot in schools would go up, but the facts actually say that usage has gone down. People also say that everyone in Colorado is getting high..... Also untrue! Since the legalization, people stay home to smoke, so there are a lot less people smoking in public. The revenue created from alcohol isn't used for schools or anything else and alcohol is proven to be worst than pot. Are you against booze as well? Or are you just a hypocrite?

meesterbig
meesterbig

@DonkeyHotay @meesterbig The stoners also claimed that legalizing it would remove the criminal element from it... it seems the cartel black market very much alive and well, the pot is being sold and shipped out of state illegally, and the kids have greater access than ever to it.

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @RobertChase Constitution of Colorado, Article XVIII, Section 16 (1) (a):  "... the people of the state of Colorado find and declare that the use of marijuana should be legal for persons twenty-one years of age or older and taxed in a manner similar to alcohol".

Colorado does not apply enormous sales tax surcharges to the sale of alcohol.  The sales tax surcharges on cannabis are unconstitutional.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@numberonedad7311 " I live in Colorado and I can clearly see that our economy is booming since the legalization of marijuana. 90% of our roads are being fixed right now! "


Total stoner idiot.

numberonedad7311
numberonedad7311

@meesterbig @DonkeyHotay Well maybe, if every state followed Colorado then this supposed cartel wouldn't exist. Also, it would be legal for weed to be shipped from state to state. Boom easy solution for your problems! And about your "greater access" for kids comment. The marijuana usage in schools has gone down since the legalization. Look up your facts before looking like an ass!

RobertChase
RobertChase topcommenter

@meesterbig @DonkeyHotay -- proponents didn't count on Gov. Hack and the General Assembly doing their utmost to sabotage the Amendment.  The Establishment and its lapdog media stonewalled the public, telling us that our anti-representatives in government were implementing the Amendment, while they were pulling out all the stops to salvage Prohibition.  We heard nothing whatsoever about the re-felonization of cannabis from these enemy combatants against the truth, nor did voters realize that none of the heavy sales tax surcharges would go for anything Colorado needs or wants -- there was also no public debate over the effect of such taxes on the regulated market; had the swine wanted to do away with the black market, they wouldn't have slapped a tax so large as to support it on cannabis sold legally!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@pueblogrow ... Exactly! ... yet the MIG is perceived and received by the Legislature, MED and the ignorant Media as an actual INDUSTRY-wide objective representative, instead of the self-serving handful of closely related dispensaries who are continually lobbying against their competition.


MIG and Mike Elliot are behind this legislative / regulatory attack on Eco-friendly Greenhouse growers, since all their $$ is tied up in wasteful, expensive indoor mega-warehouses.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RobertChase ... the Taxes on Marijuana were approved by THE VOTERS!


Obey the Will of the People!

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