SlutWalk Denver plays host to a bizarre, somewhat creepy Facebook comment war

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Update, July 3: See photos from SlutWalk Denver

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Courtesy of Seattle Weekly
Given that its very name is designed to provoke, it's not all that surprising that SlutWalk would be creating some controversy. Set off by a Toronto police officer who had no idea what he was getting into when he suggested a group of women avoid rape by not dressing like sluts, the concept has been blowing up around the nation and the world, with its message that women -- no matter how short their skirts -- are not to be held responsible for rape. Seems like a no-brainer: as SlutWalk organizers point out, there is not statistical correlation between attire and assault, and even if there were, rape is rape, and it's pretty pig-headed to blame the victim. Nevertheless, there are evidently some holdouts to that hoary old "she was asking for it" adage, and they are making their views loudly -- and kind of creepily -- known in a surprisingly public forum.

Moreso than the Facebook page for the SlutWalk group itself, it's the group's event page that's been bearing the brunt of the controversy -- possibly because it's getting circulated by more people. "We had over 8,000 people RSVP to our event page," notes Samuel Schimmel, one of the organizers of the Seattle SlutWalk, which happened last week, and the guy whose job it was to moderate the comments on that page -- and, as it turns out, he had exactly the same problem. "Pretty much everybody in Seattle got invited, and it was just this constant barrage of trolling. One of my biggest jobs, actually, was just moderating the Facebook page. It was kind of a full-time job."

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As far as what kind of timbre the comments took, Schimmel adds, "There were really two directions: There were the misogynists who say that women should not be allowed to dress as they wish, and then there's the whole radical feminist take, which is just a whole 'nother beast -- I had a discussion that ended in a barrage of fruitless attacks."

It would appear that, in Denver at least, the criticism is coming mostly from the former group. Because the event page is essentially a public forum, we've elected to give some examples in the form of unedited screenshots. And some of them are pretty shocking.

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And that's actually one of the tamer ones. The best, below, were probably the ones that subtly and unintentionally implied that the commenter himself had rapist inclinations.


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New York City Hotel

As gene exhibitionist is greatly based in females, then the major gene and extreme existence in the men karyotype. Also, do not place the terms that were not there. I never realized men ridiculous, I'm not saying that men were elephants and ladies became skin. It was a genuine innovation of your thoughts.

xxxtruthordare
xxxtruthordare

Since the exhibitionist gene is deeply rooted in women, then the dominant gene and the presence of an aggressive male karyotype. Also, do not insert the words, they are not. I never knew men stupid, I'm not saying that men and women were the lions became flesh. It 'was a pure invention of your mind.erotic game

gametruthordare
gametruthordare

Well. I started reading through the comments of the wall on the event page and it's fucking infuriating. I want to make some generalizations about my sex ashamed, but there are women out there saying the same thing. It is absolutely amazing, and I hope at least someone in the lives of these wild people with problems, horrible has the gall to speak up and say, "This is not right."erotic game | XXX Board Game

dhood2009
dhood2009

Women are and always have been walking targets no matter how they dress ! Even Nuns have been raped in the past. Did they dress inappropriate ? When a man targets a women , it is because of the deranged thinking in his mind and not because of the way she dresses. Female children are raped as well, and are they dressed inappropiate ? I would say not ! Known fact ; women all over the world are being raped every so many minutes of every day . What can we do about that ? We can only do so much, but it has to start somewhere . I am for the Walk that supports our freedom to live comfortably and securely no matter what our choices might be . Men always think with their penus instead of from the heart ! Obviously there are a lot of unsatisfied men in the world because whatever they have at home isn't enough to keep them from doing the things they do. That is not our fought .

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As gene exhibitionist is deeply rooted in females, then the dominant gene and aggressive presence in the male karyotype. Also, do not insert the words that were not there. I never knew men stupid, I'm not saying that men were lions and women became flesh. It was a pure invention of your mind.

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ColinSTL
ColinSTL

I'm from St.Louis, and one thing I've learned is that when someone says "just saying," it really means that he or she doesn't have the courage of their convictions to back up what he or she is saying.  It pisses off a lot of people, but then again, that's their problem. 

IntoTheStorm
IntoTheStorm

First off, I'd like to say that I'm heavily with Patrick on this one. This "walk" is telling people it is "OKAY" to dress like a slut. First off, no it isn't, it's unsightly and it sets a fire off in some people's minds towards the girl in this outfit. Now, while I'm not blaming the women at all, because they did not "ask for it", they certainly didn't make it any easier on themselves. You're going to the convenience store at four in the morning, put a sweater and pants on. Not short skirts and skimpy tank tops. Rape is a terrible, terrible thing and it is by no means the victim's fault. Albeit a few special occasions, that I cannot name, because I've never heard of or witnessed any of these crimes.

Blaming rape on the victim is like blaming murder on the person who was murdered. It's dumb, and stupid. But, you put things into perspective. If this person murdered was into gang violence, and had backstabbed some people, ripped others off, he's more likely to be murdered, due to the fact that he has people against him. Same with a rape victim, you go around dressing like a "slut" and have your breasts half-hanging out and your ass almost visible, it's going to put urges in some people that they can't control (note, this is not in defense of the rapists, because rape is never the victims fault, again.)

Think of it what you will, but if you're going to stand up for a cause, know your facts and take everything into perspective. We've been taught since we were kids not to dress like this, and act provocatively, but some people still do it.

((Again, I know not all rape victims were dressed like sluts at the time it happened, and my apologies go out to them and their families.))

Duke Patrick Charles
Duke Patrick Charles

For some reason, Robin, it won't let me respond directly to your comment. So I'll just go, Trololololo, read the thread. You're the one making insinuations and completely ignoring my point. You're the one making shit up, applying symbolism to the analogy that was never intended. I never defended rape, and the fact you're too thick to get that through your skull only precludes your participation in this discussion. And yes I'm being aggressive. It's called low stupidity tolerance. I'm done dealing with you narrow-minded fools.

Hannah McMahon
Hannah McMahon

It's rather pathetic that it's even an issue that NEEDS this kind of awareness brought about.  How a woman dresses has absolutely NOTHING to do with the sick crap people do - if you were mentally healthy person, nothing would cause you to even CONSIDER rape...  It's as simple as right and wrong - if you don't understand that, then you don't belong in society right now..plain and simple.  And Patrick...GROW UP!  Look at your comments and reread what was written - oh, and a dictionary might do you some good..do your own research on what was being said, because obviously you're havin a real riot pulling your comments outta your ass right now.

Malchior Seriff
Malchior Seriff

Man, what a classic Patrick comment, subtle in humor yet pointed in wit--highlight of the article.

Duke Patrick Charles
Duke Patrick Charles

The Duke here!

I'm hurt that Westword called me not only a troll, but a misogynist. I'm not a misogynist - I'm a counter-misandrist, a notion so obscure in the media that spell check doesn't even recognize it. Maybe go read a book and learn about cultural trends, and then you'll actually understand what's going on. This isn't trolling - it's legitimate complaints from the opposition. People who are not sophisticated in their objections, but object nonetheless.

Paul Saddy
Paul Saddy

Well here's what I have to say to these so called men.  If you have sex with anyone against their will, you might as well lay down and serve up your dick to that lion for desert.  They also better hope that  their two minutes of control was worth it because if anyone ever did that to any of my family or friends, a jail cell would be the only thing that could keep me from getting a hold of him. Go back to your mothers and learn some respect before you open your mouth!

Bree Davies
Bree Davies

Rapists rape. Clothing doesn't rape. We are just tired of living in an "asking for it" society, and SlutWalk is bringing attention to this false idea. Period. I wonder if Duke Patrick Charles would say that kind of shit to his mother. I am afraid for any woman that comes near him, and I can't even bring myself to read the following page of comments. 

AngelaG.
AngelaG.

So men are like stupid out of control lions hungry for meat now? Hoo boy.

tim davids
tim davids

However, rape victims, if you were dressed like a slut, fuck you.

Bree Davies
Bree Davies

What a surprise -- You only respond to an intelligent woman in an attempt to eliminate her from the discussion. Narrow-minded isn't the issue here, Duke Patrick Charles; Your decision to side with rapists is. 

Tiffany Fitzgerald
Tiffany Fitzgerald

Actually, the Westword never calls you a misogynist or a troll. Maybe read the blog first? You, interestingly, connected Schimmel's broad comments concerning Seattle SlutWalk commentators to yourself.   

tim davids
tim davids

Agreed. I started reading through the wall of comments on the event page and it's fucking infuriating. I want to make some generalization about being ashamed of my gender but there's women on there saying the same things. It's absolutely astounding, and at the very least I hope someone in the lives of these insane, troubled, awful people has the nerve to speak up and say, "That's not okay."

Duke Patrick Charles
Duke Patrick Charles

Just as the exhibitionist gene is deeply integrated within females, so is the domineering and aggressive gene present in the male karyotype. By the way, please don't insert words that weren't there. I never called men stupid, nor did I say that men were lions and women were meat. That was entirely an invention of your mind.

Duke Patrick Charles
Duke Patrick Charles

My time is valuable. I don't have time to re-type the same point every hour in the same thread. This isn't about women, or men. I treat dumb men just as badly as I treat dumb women. I see no reason why I should coddle people who choose not to read.

Duke Patrick Charles
Duke Patrick Charles

They posted my comment here and then called the dissenters trolls and misogynists. They never flat-out said 'Duke Patrick Charles is a troll and misogynist', but it doesn't take a leap of faith to connect the two. I never said Schimmel called me a misogynist, but the blog did say 'It would appear that, in Denver at least, the criticism is coming mostly from the former group. [misogynists].'

AjaxJay
AjaxJay

I am a man, and I feel no need to be domineering and aggressive towards women. Being polite and charming tends to do the trick. 

nicole
nicole

yeah go jump in front of traffic and do the world a favor!!  i'm sure your mother is proud of you!  what a good son!  HA!!

Robin Edwards
Robin Edwards

Okay, Duke, misandry is hatred of men. And that's not what SlutWalk or feminism is about at all. Feminism isn't anti-male, it's anti-patriarchy. Patriarchy hurts women and men by creating unfair stereotypes and roles for both sexes. One of the stereotypes that men have to deal with because of patriarchy is this idea that they are sub-human beasts with no control of themselves, which you perpetuate by comparing them to a cage of lions. "You can't really blame the lions for your stupidity." Really? Men have no moral standards and can't help but to rape a woman because of the way she's dressed? That's offensive to all of the intelligent men who know that it's not okay to rape. You are placing the responsibility for getting raped on women, when it should be on the men doing the raping. The point is that men should stop doing the raping. And it's unfair to the big percentage of men who are not rapists to suggest that men have no self control at all.

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